“Xbox 360 Finished in Japan”

They tend to sell better on the 360 since such titles are initially developed on the 360, then ported over to the PS3. This is why multi-platform games look better on the 360 since the code is optimized for 360. On the PS3 it is a 'copy-paste' situation where devs just do whatever works on the 360 & make sure it can run on the PS3, without optimization. This saves time & money, but hurts the PS3 end product b/c it is a lackluster end result being held back by devs & a competing unit that is not on par with the PS3 hardware/software wise. If the model devs used for creating multiplatform games were the other way around, where games were developed on the PS3 first, then ported over to the 360 - there would be major problems. Now if devs created games for both units, but instead had 2 teams - one for PS3 development & another for 360 - both making sure that games were optimized for both units, people would cry bloody murder stating that the 360 version pales in comparision to the PS3 one.

Devs find the 360 SDK easier to work with since they had a year head start to learn it & it is closer to that of developing for PC. Although Sony's is powerful, it is costly & differs from that of PC/360. New devs want to make a profit asap, so 360 is the safest choice.

And that's why PS3 exclusive games look amazing.

Don't forget X-box has a few years on PS3 so obviously has a large install base so it would be expected to sell better. But that's all changing hopefully :)

Nope ps3 is shit you fags need to get over it. I played my friend's ps3 and couldn't enjoy any of the games honestly. Infamous is the only decent game for ps triple.

Japanese thinks that those games only on japan...

Bye bye BOXY??

do you think westeners will buy bishojo games??? only otaku would play those games ..... those kind of games only sell in japan .... and only a handfull of westeners like 'YOU' whant to buy those games. it would be better if you just study japanese rathere than microsoft spending loads on translating on an game that wont sell

So don't translate it, just offer a version that will actually WORK on the North American player by taking off the region locking.

aparantly only a handful of japanese want to play it as well

At least that is an adult size hand not an infant. Have you not been able to read numbers as well?

Who's the OP girl????????

you westeners already have a some like bishojo game in Xbox 360..... Dirty Harry ... but do you even play it????

fukin weaaboo

If you believe Westerners don't play those games then test that theory?

If you want games to not be played then whats the point selling a game you believe Westerners will not play?

Well most of those games are terribly niche outside of Japan.

Bear in mind that Japan is also only 1/5th of the global game market, so what matters to Japan probably doesn't actually matter to the game industry at large.

The vast majority of gamers are not otaku.

just to let you know america has bishojo games and sales are not good

Sounds like lazyness then. "Baaaawwww! but it's hard to program", in no way comes across as an adequate reason. "Development costs" due to the difficulty, would be a better reason.

Effectively means the same thing.

Yes they have threatened but they also knew the situation they are in. On the very surface, people are saying the Xbox or the PS3 is better but on their side they are also fighting another war.

Sony dominated the moment that DVD format threw in the towel. They can threaten but at the end of the day, those are empty threats and Sony only know that too well.

Stop? When did they ever start?

It has nothing to do with it being hard to program for. Valve are PC devs. The 360 uses PC architecture, and they are simply not interested in learning anything else. Which is why they'll be using the Source engine till the year 4000 (or 12/21/12 when humanity is wiped out).

valve? who gives a crap. when did they ever develop something worth playing on ps3 to begin with? now that i think of it, have they developed a single game for ps3?

@Anonymous... They both use PC architecture, have you ever read the specs? Both use, CPU, RAM and a Graphics card (either made by Nvidia or ATi)...

Both use an IBM processor, the PS3 having the more powerful of the two (though lacking in other areas such as dynamic distribution of RAM)...

Where they differ is on a software level (granted the software is effected by the higher level difficulty of programming for as many cores as the PS3 has)..

Everyone says "The PS3 is more powerful!".. Yea, the CPU has more cores, but gaming has been graphics card related on the PC (which use to be more CPU related) for the last 6 years at least.

The Source engine has had many upgrades and with each major title released it shows that it can run good on mid end PC hardware and look great (specially when compared to the last Source engine title before it)...

Think of the Source engine like the Unreal Engine, or ID's Engine, it continues to go through multiple and huge advancements, but it just doesn't carry the publicly advertised numbers like "Unreal Engine *3*", etc, etc...

It's frustrating for me, as a professional in IT I understand the hardware differences between the two systems. The PS3 certainly has the capability of doing more than the 360, CPU wise but not graphics wise... And getting a CPU core to pick up an extra responsibility while having the graphics card handle a bunch, and many other CPU cores doing other things is no easy task.

This is why PC gaming is barely beyond the dual core stage and I would say more games on the 360 aren't beyond that either... Same for the PS3, I wouldn't be surprised if Killzone 2 only used at max 4 to 5 of the PS3's CPU cores...

The reality, in not just the gaming software market but in all forms of software, multi-threaded application development is a slow and painful process, it's still going through growing pains and getting a true professional who can do things right from the start is rare and I bet they are doing more important things then video game development right now...

Bear in mind that Valve games are one of many reasons why the PC is superior to the PS3.

The 360 is just "there."

Keep dreaming? Ps3 is a horrible system in which I still can't understand why people like it. I haven't found a enjoyable game yet.

lol alright, here is a few:

Resistance, God Of War III (when it comes out), Resistance 2, Heavenly Sword, White Knight Chronicles 1 & 2, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 1 & 2 and a few other exclusives.

then there are the non-exclusives:

Enternal Sonata, SO4, Prototype, Assassins Creed, etc.

as beta tests. remind you..

so many jrpgs were originally 360 exclusives.
that is because when development started, ps3 dev kits were not available yet. And they kept them exclusive because they received $ and dev. support from microsoft that they would have lost or needed to pay back, if they switch to multi.

either that or the correct way of things will continue to happen:

M$ wastes their money on timed-exclusivity, game company then finishes developing the game and releases on ps4 as the "Complete" or "Definitive" edition.

at the end of the day everyone is happy and m$ gets poorer.

Call of duty: Modern Warfare 2 will cost like 79 euros at UK, coming soon we'll pay 100$ per game anyway... with competirtor or not

"Sold units Wii, PS3 and 360 worldwide:
#1 WII 53 million units
#2 360 32 million units (only 1.1m in Japan)
#3 PS3 24 million units

In the beginning of 2008 it looked like this
#1 Wii 20 million units
#2 360 16,5 million units (600K in japan)
#3 PS3 9,2 million units"

Have you wondered why the xbox units were sold more ?
Thats because those xbox has RRoD Problem.

19:47 your lame. RRoD there is a 3year exchange period. if people keep buying the same console it just means its games are good and people keep coming back for more. even my ps2 keep spoil on me, i still buy back to play fate/ff12 etc. for 360 i changed to elite as my warrenty is over and ps3 to watch anime.
you are not a gamer and i doubt you even have any consoles. if you actually own any console you wont be trolling coz you will use it to play game not to rub your dick on it and post PS3 is the best and other console all sucked.

i think the amount of PS3 still rising, considering the games that going to be PS3 exclusive.

plus the numbers are beginning of 2008... which is quite long ago.

and if u compare console sold in places u might need to calculate the population in both country, use % to make it a fair comparison.

and pirated games are a big factor to console sales, PS2 / PS1 still playable cuz of the games are cheap. people find it value for money.

i bought my box in 06 to play ff11 and gears. its doing good job bringing in the games. i bought ps3 end of 07 because i heard rumors that ff13 is coming out.

from the start i dont have any expectation for 360 and have high expectation for ps3. i dont really on my ps3 because i play with japanese and most of them dont own a mic. friend list function was so fucked up at one time you cant even find your friend because they do not appear on your friendlist, you have to keep sign in and out to make ur friend appear. inviting ur friend is a pain in the ass coz people dont even notice you. you cant join in your friend game just by clicking ur friend at first. there is also no custom sound track w/e. but nontheless ps3 is very good in playing animes lol. for 360, friend list function is very very convinient, its easy to jump in a game and join a party anytime and availability of voice chat is a major difference.
if you own 2 consoles, you will get dissapointed by ps3 and would be surprised by the performance of 360. at least ff13 is coming out this 17th dec, and ff14 beta next feb i guess i would mainly play ff14 when it come out.

how many og thos saills wher people geting replacements

why do u need to buy a new one if only thing u do just give them back the spoilt one and exchange for a new/repaired set + 1month gold membership.

Calling the japs narrowminded is quite hypocritical since you americans are doing the same shit.

If you lose closely at the numbers, the Xbox 360's numbers also have to do with the fact that it was released a year before the PS3, and therefore longer on the market. If you compare their rate of sales per year, though, the 360 and the PS3 level off, since they average 8 million units per year (32 units for 4 years, 24 units for 3 years). This means they're pretty much even, unless a influx of games in the future on any console will turn the tide.

But, of course, both numbers pale at the Wii's total sales, and rate of sales.

For all x360 fans:
50GB discs > 9 gb discs
Blueray > outdated DVD format

Argue if you want. But the "xbox 360 is better cuz i said so!!!" arguement is a little feeble.

I've hjad six 360s. Five died but as two were my fault I won't moan about them(drunken accidents)ting is, though, that the three year warranty is weak as piss and if they can wriggle out of it they will-of the three broken consoles I reported to MS only ONE got replaced by them under warranty meaning I've bought FOUR of the things(mainly to play TF2 with mates who game on 360 and cos of the games I already owned).

It only covers what they wantb it to and though the fault for my consoles was always the same thing(cos of the crap solder and heatsink)as only opne showed up as RROD they only replaced one. The others just wouldn't power up and they refused to replace the first that did this THEN with the second the rep on the phone called me a liar! 18 months later they apologised when they caught this douche who they stood by when I reported hum, doing it to other gamers! Only then did I get another 360-and this one has been really solid in fairness and even runs more quietly.

But saying just vecause of the warranty noone buys a replacem,ent is plain wrong when MS don't always honour it when they should. Not that Sony are much better with breakdown service just that fewer PS3s break down(I've only had one problem with mine which was fixable).

My problem with MS is just their cheek at releasing an under tested console and even when they replaced mine I was without one for over three weeks so IDK why people think they always replace day and daye as they just don't always do that. The three year warranty isn't evidence of them caring either-just evidence of wanting to avoid lawsuits and, what should have occurred, a mass recall.

Not to mention the PS3 was selling for the majority of the times, at a higher price point than the Xbox 360 from 08 to 09. The cheapest PS3 at $399 versus the cheapest 360 at $199.

You can argue that the majority don't get the $199 version, however, those that are out of warranty, want backup systems, or want to get a jasper unit obviously would purchase the $199 sku.

And what good would competition do for Sony? Prevent them from selling a console at $1000 and games at $100? Take off your fanboy goggles. Ever since the 360 first came out, games on the system were $59.99. Ever since the 360 came out, we gamers had to spend money on DLC KEYS to unlock items that were already ON the disc. Now it's just unsubstantiated prices for various DLC. Want to play online? Pay for membership.

If Sony had released a console at $1000, let them. Nintendo would've been fine being the only competitor, and eventually Sony would've dropped their price to compete. Microsoft as Sony's direct competitor though. You must be a blind ignorant stupid fanboy to think Microsoft is the better competitor. Imagine what THEY would do if they dominated the video game market. STupid fucking fanboy.

Fuck Xbox!!! I said it! Hell, My PS2 from 2003 Still works and has OUTLasted Many a 360 - Suck It Box-fags! MS didn't make a durable product and you Buy it (often more than once!) cause you can't admit it's crap after you raved about it The first Xbox & 360 Hype.

You gotta PAY for alot of the 'accessories' like On-Line gaming and stuff...PS3 it's Standard. Better product...longer reliability = Better Game Play.

OR they buy it because they like it, regardless of the failure rate... There I said... Except the simple fact, being a fanboy is about as gay as sucking Sony of Microsoft's CEO's dick, on film, wearing a body suit with the color and advertisement theme of your system of fanboyish choice, showing off your uberly pathetic fanboyish charm...

I have both systems, each lacks in some way... But Japan supporting a Japanese made system? Who would have ever guessed this would happen! Like OMG it must mean that Microsoft's system is complete trash...

Failure rate aside, if it didn't even exist this would have been the end result. Us guys in the West have had primarily Japanese developed consoles from the start, we are use it and we "usually" cut out this fanboyish crap and buy what we want...

Japan on the other hand has had little out of country influence on this market and the adoption rate from the start was promised to be a slow steady and most likely impossible climb...

"Sold units Wii, PS3 and 360 worldwide:
#1 WII 53 million units
#2 360 32 million units (only 1.1m in Japan)
#3 PS3 24 million units

In the beginning of 2008 it looked like this
#1 Wii 20 million units
#2 360 16,5 million units (600K in japan)
#3 PS3 9,2 million units

The 360 widened the Gap in the past 1 1/2 year by 700000 units without big help of japan... "

I wouldn't base my argument on those numbers if I were you.

Those numbers are basically saying that over the same 1.5 year time period 360 sold 15.5m units and the PS3 sold 14.8m units.

That's not really a widening of a gap. That's looks pretty even to me.

18-09-2009 07:44
Pretty much what that guy said.
The world doesn't give two damns or a fuck about Japan. They alone can't determine which console becomes the top one.

And lol and Gantz shitty arguement. He actually thinks trivial shit like paying for online determines the GAMEPLAY. Lmfao.
You haven't played a real game in your entire life. If Xbox Live wasn't worth paying for, why the hell are people still paying for it?
I'll tell you why. Because it's worth it.
Why does IGN and Gamespot have its own page for Xbox Live and not one for PSN? Because PSN sucks the pubes from my nut sacks. XBLA actually encourages indie developers to make affordable and fun classic games. Where as PS3, as evidenced from previous articles, are expensive as shit to develop for and force anti western faggot bags to create games for an american system in order to pay to create ps3 games. That's fucking sad. Ports at that, not even original games. FF13 has to go multiplatform, or it will fail.

you got 2 nut sacks? good for you.

real game? you mean WoW? paying each month makes people grumpy, wich makes the costumer unhappy, thus giving the game/console a bad rep.

FF13 would not fail, not even close. It's one of this winter's biggest releases. MS did pay alot, ALOT ALOT, of money for the FF title to not become a PS3 exclusive. Seems like MS is getting desperate.

"If Xbox Live wasn't worth paying for, why the hell are people still paying for it?
I'll tell you why. Because it's worth it."

What a freaking idiot. Why are people paying for Xbox Live? It's because that's the ONLY way for them to actually PLAY their games ONLINE. Why is LIVE bigger and has more features than PSN? Cause it was 'live' long before PSN was even created. It had a massive head start back when the original Xbox was released, not to mention the fact that xbox users had to PAID for the upgrades. But I guess the xbox fanboys are too stupid to realise that fact.

Sold units Wii, PS3 and 360 worldwide:
#1 WII 53 million units
#2 360 32 million units (only 1.1m in Japan)
#3 PS3 24 million units

In the beginning of 2008 it looked like this
#1 Wii 20 million units
#2 360 16,5 million units (600K in japan)
#3 PS3 9,2 million units

if we dont incuse the units that got RROD then Replaced and the units that are still in store sale would look like this Sold units Wii, PS3 and 360 worldwide:
#1 WII 53 million units
#2 360 22 million units (only 1m in Japan)
#3 PS3 24 million units

In the beginning of 2008 it looked like this
#1 Wii 20 million units
#2 360 8.5 million units (500K in japan)
#3 PS3 9.2 million units

You do know that Windows 7 comes out next month, right?

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and Windows 7 crashes as gloriously as Vista... nuff said

Your Vista crashes? Might want to take a look at that. I have never even seen the BSOD on my Vista computer and have had it for over a year and a half.

my vista used to crash alot as well. was from out dated bios and some settings in my Catalyst Control Center for my 4870 X2.

Seriously, the only reason Sony had a poor start was because they got too greedy and assumed their PS2 dominance would automatically translate to PS3 dominance--and created a system that was notoriously terrible for developers simply to make porting PS3-based games ludicrously difficult.

Which became a moot point because no developer outside of Japan gives a fuck about the PS3.

haha i agree lol yeah more views more money oh wait...
I think the Xbox is good because xbox live but i like ps3 as well i have both anyway

Intentionally appealing to and riling the prejudices of an audience is commonly known as rabble-rousing. Of course on the interbutts we just call it flamebaiting.

manipulation by sony? how is -any- of this manipulation?