Darwin Film “Too Much” for Americans

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A recent movie celebrating the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin’s birth has ignited a storm of criticism in the superstitiously minded US, with creationists denouncing the movie, reversing the balance of opinion seen in other developed countries.

So much so that the producer has opted not to even bother releasing it in the USA, saying Americans are “not ready” for such a work.

Though American attitudes to evolution are nothing new, the all but universally scathing reaction of Japanese online is interesting to behold, particularly considering the Japan is hardly free from superstition itself.

2ch holds forth on the subject unsparingly:

“Americans are just too stupid.”

“There are no gods. Gods and demons are just the products of the fevered imaginations of men.”

“That the US, so full of idiots, can maintain a scientific and technological lead is the real mystery here…”

“America is really a cult nation.”

“They don’t really believe this, do they?”

“Those intelligent design guys. They got teaching evolution banned in some schools y’know.”

“Nice joke!”

“God didn’t make man, man made god.”

“It’s the 21st century and these idiot Christians still believe these fairytales. How long will they keep believing this rubbish…”

“Truly the land of the free.”

“What is the US, some kind of huge kindergarten?”

“I use to believe in evolution but lately I feel it might be plausible that aliens made man.”

“So who made the aliens?”

“>Only 39% believe in evolution.

What kind of idiots are they… God made it all – ridiculous.”

“But some Japanese do believe in an afterlife.”

“Americans love massacres so it’s fitting they are all Christians.”

“There are idiots in Japan who believe in spirits too, so we’re really in no position to laugh at these fools.”

“And these idiots make a fuss over a few whales…”

“This is just the protestant right making a fuss. Most Americans don’t even know what evolution is.”

“This is a matter of faith. God is necessary to maintain American society. Pure reason can’t maintain a human society. Religion is necessary to reassure people in the face of all the crime and death.”

“Saying ‘Are there really people in the US who actually believe God made man?’ to an American might be a bit dangerous…”

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“What can we say about America…”

“You should put up one for blood type fortune telling too…”

The same sort of thing goes on over the thousands upon thousands of posts spawned in response to this news.

Via Itai News.


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    Comment by Anonymous
    04:03 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    As an American, in grad school... I am thoroughly embarrassed by this.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:23 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    “That the US, so full of idiots, can maintain a scientific and technological lead is the real mystery here…”

    it's not a mistery, they mantain it because they give money to EUROPEAN and ASIAN scientists and make them work in their Universities.
    USA alone can't do anything at all, guess they are not intelligent enough.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:28 12/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's not a mystery*, they maintain*

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:00 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Ok, I'll give it to you. That's some decent trolling. But really, religion? That's as hard as stealing a candy from a baby. You trolls are just being lazy.

    For all of you who cling to your god, just try and wrap your mind around this:
    In every religion that has ever existed (and I know of), there is one concept that is always a given is persistence beyond death. Religion was invented by people who were afraid of dying and wanted to escape in their own magical world where people magically turn into incorporeal young version of themselves and praise the lord to all eternity. Even if you want to defend your religion as being authentic, then clearly all the others are human invention.

    Well let me ask you a little question. How do you know, that it's your religion that is right. Why do you believe in your religion over Christianity, Islam, Hinduism or whatever religion you consider false.
    Is it because of some divine sense of purpose or is it just because you were taught to follow it as young? Seriously, all you have is century old writings to back you up. Against all the dinosaur fossils we keep digging out of earth. And physics. And mathematics. Seriously, even if you keep saying that the bible is full of metaphors, how can you be sure "god" is not another metaphor? Divine sense of purpose?

    Basically, the only proof religions have is "I want to believe that there is god".
    We scientists, on the other hand have physics, which tell us that in the beginning there was nothing. Which then exploded. Ok, so we have holes in our understanding of the universe. But at least we don't believe in fairy tales and that some day some magical man in the sky will come and rescue us without us lifting a finger.

    It's very convenient to think that you will be rewarded when you die, so you can go ahead and accept everything life throws at you without questioning it. It's like... well... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial

    Have fun getting eaten by worms after you die. Because I'm pretty damn sure that you won't end up living among the clouds when you do. Because you know everyone who has ever ridden a jet knows there is nothing but air and water there.

    It will not be people like you who will be granted eternal life, but it will be all those professors in white lab coats who will probably some day find a cure for aging. It's a pity this is highly unlikely to occur in my lifetime, but I'd rather stay positive about it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:04 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Fucking THIS. I hope you are an American too, sir or madam, as we clearly need more folks like you here.

    Comment by Anonymous

    THEN DIE.

    how can you prove such a nano small thing like cell can move on its own? Can science bring ppl back from dead?

    If you believe man come from ape, then what happened to the ape now?

    You dont have to think hard, just look at yourself. For instance your hair. Can science re-create hair that can grow longer each day?
    DNA, you can alter it, but can you create DNA?

    Chicken and egg. Man and baby, ape and baby ape.
    then what is before ape? Cells? Where do they come from?

    You want become an atheist, do what you like and STFU. You dont care what we think, we also dont fucking care what you think.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:43 17/09/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    "how can you prove such a nano small thing like cell can move on its own? Can science bring ppl back from dead?"
    Didn't you get to use microscope in school? If you don't even want to understand science that's fine with me, but don't go giving away ignorant opinions then.
    And yes, science (medicine) CAN bring people back from death under certain conditions. Which has much higher success rate compared to various holy books and priests.

    "If you believe man come from ape, then what happened to the ape now?"
    We didn't. No sane scientist would say that we did. The apes today are a different evolutionary branch. You know, just like how white people are different from black people. Except the difference is much bigger.

    "You dont have to think hard, just look at yourself. For instance your hair. Can science re-create hair that can grow longer each day?
    DNA, you can alter it, but can you create DNA? "
    Yes. It's called organic chemistry. Sure, we have to copy something that already exists to create meaningful DNA, but it's quite possible to create a fully synthetic clone of an existing strain.
    Besides, even if we are to assume god does exist, then it's very logical to assume he is the one who created DNA and therefore creating DNA is possible. You don't really think he just snapped his fingers and created the universe and everything, do you? I guess that shiny golden apple must have held the knowledge of how to make DNA. That, or god was really the "get off my lawn" type.

    "Chicken and egg. Man and baby, ape and baby ape.
    then what is before ape? Cells? Where do they come from?"
    Organic molecules. Which came from inorganic molecules. Which came from atoms. Which came from... well, we haven't gotten that far yet.
    BTW, if you call this a "chicken and egg" problem, then where the fuck did god come from?

    "You want become an atheist, do what you like and STFU. You dont care what we think, we also dont fucking care what you think."
    I never said I don't care what you think, but rather I consider your views to be wrong. Free speech laws give me the right to express critical opinions to whatever I choose, so long as my words are structured in a non-provoking or offensive way. Well except feminism but this is another topic.

    "THEN DIE."
    No, fuck you.

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    Comment by NakkiNyan
    07:11 15/09/2009 # ! Good (+0.4)

    You obviously do care what Atheists think seeing as you commented. Theists always do.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:54 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    WRONG. Religion is purely a political organization. While the government is mandated by laws, religion is mandated by a collective of individuals masquerading as a single white-bearded entity.

    Religion is one of the most efficient political organizations that has ever existed, where else can you find righteous justification of killing people for the sake of faith?

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    Comment by crabdog62482
    23:42 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I have to agree with most of what these people are saying about Americans. As part of the ~1% of Americans who aren't cultist retards, I can't (and wouldn't even if I could) defend the worthless trash that makes up the vast majority of this country's population.

    However, I am still insulted that this is coming from the Nips; a society of men so perverse, pathetic, and unmanly that not even their own women want anything to do with them, and whose women are more materialistic, adulterous, bitches and whores than the women of any Western or modern industrialized nation.

    I mean, JESUS CHRIST, have these people seen their own movies? Do they read their own news? Do they watch their own TV or pay attention to their own culture? Suicide clubs aren't popular in this country. We don't have a society of middle school prostitutes whoring themselves to buy cell phone accessories. Nor do we have a society of NEETS or hikikimori. I’ve never seen our society mass migrate to temples to wish for luck and success on school exams, job interviews, love, etc, etc...

    Plus, these are the voters who voted in a government official, into what is arguably their country's highest figurehead position, whose wife swears she's been to Venus via alien astral projection and once knew Tom Cruise in another life when he was a Nip.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:57 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Generalizations are for simple-minded people who cannot put theirselves in someone else's shoes. Calm down and you realize that this argument serves no purpose.

    It saddens me how these generalizations create so much hatred. I wish more people could just appreciate the cultural diversity of the world.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:33 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    "I’ve never seen our society mass migrate to temples to wish for luck and success on school exams, job interviews, love, etc, etc..."

    Bollocks. They do it every Sunday.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:41 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Switzerland is truely the strongest Country (999)!

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:13 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    lol america.

    “There are no gods. Gods and demons are just the products of the fevered imaginations of men.”
    so true.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:21 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I spent a lot of my childhood terrified that the world was coming to an end soon and I was going to hell for masturbating. Nevertheless, I'm not an atheist; I finally settled for Reform Judaism. But I also realize that sophisticated versions of religion like Reform Judaism, Unitarianism and Episcopalianism/Anglicanism are losing adherents and that fundamentalist, dogmatic religions and cults are constantly gaining converts. The problem that rationalism just doesn't "sell" as well as emotionalism. Most of us--honestly, *all* of us at some times--would rather believe (or tell) comforting lies than unglamorous truths.

    I'll illustrate with some examples from the dying American automobile industry.

    First, before Robert MacNamara mis-managed the war in Vietnam, he was president of the Ford Motor Company. In the Fifties, he brought out a safety package for Fords. It didn't sell. Then,
    in response to the first wave of imported cars (from Europe) he sponsored the design of the Falcon. It was the best of the first-generation compact cars, offering excellent value for the money. It sold well enough to stay in production for seven or eight years, but it wasn't sexy. So one Lee Iococca took the Falcon's chassis and drivetrain, moved the passenger compartment back to make the hood longer, cut down rear-seat legroom beyond budget-airline standards, cut down the trunk so much a family of four would have to take home part of each week's groceries home in their laps if they didn't want to make two trips, and called it the Mustang. It sold fabulously and is still in production. Anyone who knew anything about cars knew the original Mustang was not as good a car as the Falcon, and the Mustang cost quite a lot more. Didn't matter. The Mustang was sexy and the Falcon was not.

    Flash forward to the nineties: Every car manufacturer made as many SUVs as possible, and most tried to make their other cars look like SUVs. The minivans and aerodynamic, relatively fuel-efficent American cars of the 1980s vanished. Now, most of the imports were more aerodynamic and fuel-efficient, even their SUVs. Even Mercedes and BMW shied from producing anything as toxic as the Cadillac Escalade or the Lincoln Navigator. No matter; the last two sold well, and their profit margin was awesome. The Hummer H2 and H3 sold better than the H1, a true all-terrain vehicle (the civilian version of the HMMV or "Humvee" which replaced the jeep). People were willing to shell out outrageous sums for cheap trucks dressed up as military vehicles. It was almost an exact repetition of the boom-bust cycle of the early 1970s when even the "compact" models got big, heavy and ugly. But, hey, that's what the customer wanted, and it didn't cost much to add more size; steel was so cheap the American steel industry was already in decline as foreign steel imports rose. And when gas mileage dropped, why, just make the gas tank bigger. Then came a big rise in gas prices, and the four-wheeled dinosaurs suffered a mass extinction. The first time might be excused because America thought of the automobile as a quintessentially American industry, and few were really afraid of losing market to better made, better-designed foreign cars. But repeating the same mistake three decades later demonstrates just how irrational even our "Captains of Industry" have become. But it's *our* fault, all of us, because even the stupidest CEO won't keep making something we won't buy.

    There are no great songs about Darwin, and lots of great songs about Jesus.

    I saw a bumper sticker with a dead fish with legs, refuting the "Darwin" fish that was fairly common here in the somewhat rational San Francisco/San Jose/Sacramento metroplex. It said something about God being alive while Darwin was dead. Well, Darwin is definitely dead. That doesn't mean he wasn't *right*.

    But I see a lot more Jesus fish than Darwins on cars.

    Oh, well. At least *most* of the fundamentalists begrudge that the Earth is round and moves around the Sun. Give them another 500 years or so...

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:02 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    sure are alot of biblefuckers on sankaku, who would have thought?.

    well I for one belive in the power of man ( the power of science).

    Nothing good comes from blind worship in my opinion, people are free to do as they like and belive in what they like.

    At the end of the day "God" isnt the one who plants and harvests are crops or the one who saves peoples lives from burning buildings... Its man.

    Sorry for bad english~

    Comment by Schrobby
    04:32 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    In the USA you have too look hard for intelligence...

    Comment by Schrobby
    03:58 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Once again it's proved: The USA - the land of the dumb and unfree...

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    Comment by cloudduel_13
    23:39 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Come on Artefact, you know that most of the complaints come from the loudest section aka the crazies be them from the right or left. Most of us just want to judge for ourselves. With people like Narcissist making stupid comments it gives everyone a bad name. Why can't you believe in god and in evolution. These beliefs are not mutually exclusive.

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    Comment by Riiku
    22:17 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    “I use to believe in evolution but lately I feel it might be plausible that aliens made man.”

    “So who made the aliens?”

    Best responce ever.

    And srsly, why there's have to be either God or Evolution? There's a miriad of other ways.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:22 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    It's Nagato. We're all just data.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:34 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    After wading through the comments here I must say I am disappointed that Australia wasn't included in the survey. :(

    If we were on the list I'd guess we'd be between Luxembourg and Japan.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:06 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    All good and evil, Angels and demons, god and the devil are within you. You have infinite potential to be either or. It's you who choose whether to be the former or the latter.

    Whatever excuse, whatever justification, Hannibal lecture or whatnot, it all comes down to your choice as a moral or immoral man or woman. I choose to be moral and show that there is good, whether there is or isn't a god.

    Now on the issue of how it all began, nobody knows. Nobody was there at the beginning except the imagination of our minds. We can only look to clues that may or may not be true, speculate, and turn to theories made by people who have their own personal views of the world.

    Could go on and on, but feels a little too troublesome so I'll stop now.

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    Comment by LunarSD
    23:04 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    What's most interesting about those results is that Ireland, of all places, actually has a majority of people who have enough brains in their head to understand Evolution.

    Ireland, where it is currently illegal to say or create media that communicates religion is stupid.

    I'm not joking. Read --> http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/9975

    The "Blasphemous Libel" law is innately anti-speech, so it's already a failure to begin with... But it's the double-standard that proves Ireland's parliament are unreasoning sheep:

    It's still perfectly legal for priests to bitch on and on at the pulpit about Evolution being stupid, but scientists can't say or print that religion is stupid without having to pay a 20,000 Euro fine at least :\

    -

    And yes, I completely agree with Artefact's narrative bent in this article. In countless more subtle ways than Ireland, America is even worse. Unfortunately for me, living in America, I'm too stupid to know how to move out of here.

    Iceland has a perfect climate all year round, and LOTS of hot springs... too bad my American brains have rotted enough that I'd never be able to learn how to speak Icelandic.

    Comment by Busy
    23:22 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The US prefers believing fictive things then proven fakts.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:53 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    We cannot proof that there is no god, but neither can you proof that there is one...

    Narcissist, you're the only real scum here. So just fuck off.

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    Comment by Riiku
    02:03 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's called Agnosticism, and that is the only logical way to look at the world.

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    Comment by crabdog62482
    23:31 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I have to agree with most of what these people are saying about Americans. As part of the ~1% of Americans who aren't cultist retards, I can't (and wouldn't even if I could) defend the worthless trash that makes up the vast majority of this country's population. However, I am still insulted that this is coming from the Nips; a society of men so perverse, pathetic, and unmanly not even their own women want anything to do with them, and whose women are more materialistic, adulterous, bitches and whores than the women of any Western or modern industrialized nation. I mean, JESUS CHRIST, have these people seen their own movies? Do they read their own news? Do they watch their own TV or pay attention to their own culture? Suicide clubs aren't popular in this country. We don't have a society of middle school prostitutes whoring themselves to buy cell phone accessories. Nor do we have a society of NEETS or hikikimori. I’ve never seen our society mass migrate to temples to wish for luck and success on school exams, job interviews, love, etc, etc...

    Plus, these are the voters who voted in a government official, into what is arguably their country's highest figurehead position, whose wife swears she's been to Venus via alien astral projection and once knew Tom Cruise in another life when he was a Nip.

    Criticize me if you are my better, but you inferiors haven't earned the right.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:51 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is just plain stupid. Why bother posting something about the Darwin, evolution and what the japanese fuckingly think about it? This is utter crap, completely unproductive =S I'd rather read about the Ultimate Hentai Teacher, it's an awful lot more interesting, and it's more Japan-related than goddamned Darwinkrautvolution...

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:11 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Okay, let's assume that god exists. He created people to test them, according to which vast majority of us will be doomed to hell. Doesn't this mean god created us to condemn us rather than save us? The majority will suffer eternally, not existing in the first place is greatly referable to such fate.

    And some more whine about Christians, I hate it how christians tend to see the Islamic world as utterly barbaric. If it weren't for the islamic revolution in 1970s, 90% of Middle East would also be calm territory with democratic values and high standard of living. Teocratic despotism is repressing people who are no less sensible than those of other cultural areas. And as for why they see Americans as utter filth, that is a an exaggeration. That's just the voices that reach America, the formal Strategy of the Islamic elite relies on hatred towards the West, and especially America.

    Yeah, and I'm not a Muslim. I'm a Christian who wishes God exists, but is quite sure He doesn't.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:55 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Your American English is good, by the way. Where did you learn it from? Your mother?

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    Comment by Ukonkivi
    02:26 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I am so incredibly ashamed of my country right now, and all it's sickening Judeo-Christian influence.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:16 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    in Soviet Russia god is a sock

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:52 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I would find Christian thinking easier to accept if they didn't curse non-believers to hell and such. It would be understandable if a Christian wanted to help change the insulted person's way of thinking with the threat of eternal torment in hell, with sincere will to save everyone. But unfortunately it seems that many Christians just seem to threaten 'heathens' to express their self-satisfaction and feelings of superiority that reach levels of obsession. It's as if the only things that uphold their faith are the promise of an eternal life in a land of marshmallow clouds, and especially the promise that people they don't like aren't allowed there. Original Christian values are good but many Americans tend to make selfish interpretations to justify their own greedy actions.

    "On the final day, followers of God looked down on the pitiful heathens in pits of hell and laughed, HAHA, TOLD YOU SO, FUCKERS" I don't remember seeing this part in the Bible.

    Comment by Busy
    01:58 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually all religions that are bound to a book or "rules" are that way...

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:50 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    It can be admitted that most scientists are boring people.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:48 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    It sucks that the loudest whiners reflect poorly on the rest of us.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:38 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qzRwN4Dqd0&feature=channel_page [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qzRwN4Dqd0&feature=channel_page]

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    Comment by MechaTama31
    01:40 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The guy should release it here anyway. The tards who get all bent out of shape over evolution deserve to get all bent out of shape.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:07 15/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's the funniest thing I've read all day

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    Comment by Anonymous
    21:41 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The 2ch responses are as expected, a bunch a rude generalizations. I don't know anyone who doesn't believe in evolution.....not sure where these numbers come from, but statistics are like a woman in a bikini, what they show you is appealing, but what they conceal if far more important eh.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:29 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Who ever posted this is an Idiot, yes were all religious that's it. Storm of criticism, really? Then why haven't I read some about this even on the bible thumping Fox News?

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:29 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Bandit Keith was right!... In America!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:45 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    those japanese got what was coming to them! remember pearl harbor! OH SAY CAN YOU SEE!!... In America!

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:31 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    One: God is only something stupid people created so they have something to believe in. There's no such thing as god in this world, or universe. There's no prove of his existence. It's all science.

    Two: I hate people who think they're all that because they're American, and we're the "strongest" country in the world. The only reason the US is powerful; is because our fucking government spends to much fucking money on weapons. And they're constantly trying to develop new weapons that we don't fucking need!

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:41 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Don't forget other countries that bash us also want us to solve all their problems then still hate us.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:26 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    maybe god is like a programer and this is like a game and wrote down lots of rules and formulae that cannot be can which are latter discover by man like E=M*C2

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:33 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    LOL! The first 4 countries who believe in evolution are from the Old World, bis Europe! And Japan is the fifth!
    And US is only a little better than Turkey, LOL again!

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:29 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, God made loli..and he said...it was good

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:05 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    No wonder religion'll lead to humanity's own destruction and extinction; does more harm than good in the long run.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:04 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    So does evolution. And materialism.
    The world was at peace because of religion (in general, not specifically christian, buddhism or whatever).
    When people stop believing in God,
    they think they have the right to do *anything*
    hence everyday horrible news we read at SanCon.
    Humans told humans what they can or can't do based on what is allowed by humans' brains. The world is most likely human-biased, eh?
    When science is made the measuring tool, human morality is lost. Love towards other species is lost.
    We share the world with a lot of creatures. And religions told us just that - dos and don'ts that maybe out of humanistic thinking.
    Almost every old religion prohibits killing, rape, etc. My school is a religious school, and I love it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:16 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This may sound stupid to everyone but i belive in both GOD and evolution. there's no reason i can't belive in both of them and i'm a christian, i'm just not a fanatic that belives everything that the church tells them!

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    Comment by xatm092
    21:34 14/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ^^^

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