Urasora Traced

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    Comment by Panzer IV
    18:29 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Tracing from the internet photo ;D How come 2ch can find those? Well, can't disagree about tracing. It was bad if someone tracing other hardwork. But tracing NOT from internet or photo book but by hiw own photo, that I think is not a disgrace. Cooking Papa (If you read the manga) also tracing some of it with his own photo. The view and the people are exactly the same with the photo. So I think, if you want to trace something (That is, if you are pro at drawing) trace it from your own photo :D

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    Comment by tkhnoman
    19:55 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hmm... Very true, but what about some object that happen to be hard to find. Like some musical instrument that you don't know how it looks like in some angle. It will be painfull to find it just to draw a single art.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:20 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hm...if I ignore the fact that he so blatantly traced items & backgrounds, he does actually draw pretty well and I was impressed with some of the images. Color's not too bad either. A shame to see him "retire" : <

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:28 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I fail to see what the problem is.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:39 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The only REAL issue here is the copyright ingfringement, which is a shame. As for tracing, it's everywhere in manga and anime-esque artwork. I really don't see the big deal.
    The whole debate about him "not improving his artistic skill" is pretty meaningless to me since it's obvious that his main focus in each image are the characters. Then he needed nice backgrounds for his drawings and scrambled something together from what he could find on the internet. That's a very common and widespread way to go about it, and in fact he does it a lot better than other artists I've seen.
    Some don't even trace the photos, just filter them to look more cartoonish.

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    Comment by tkhnoman
    19:49 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I admit i also do tracing until now.

    Feel a little guilty, yes, but what else i can do..
    There is no way that i must go to the airport to draw them, or find a violin just for draw it once?

    Man, that makes people freaking out.

    Considering that i don't have a slight intention to make money from them, is it will be allright?

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:54 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Poor guy took the right decision.
    Otherwise, he might have been sued by god for drawing humans (or whatever else, in fact).
    It couldn't be helped !

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:00 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is ultimately retarded. He "traced" shit for props and background purposes. People from Marvel use photo ref liberally and the guys from disney use to animate right over live action footage to get what they wanted. This is bs. I would have quit if i were him too. so dumb....ugh

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:23 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Does anyone know what eroge he had worked on? I only found one mobile game by 轟そら, which is not eroge at all. Does he go by other alias? Thanks!

    - Simon Cowell of Eroge

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:13 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm sorry, was one of the pictures the're whining about a picture of OUR ****ING PLANET!?

    I'm going to be rich after I copywrite "Earth" . If anyone wants to exhibit a picture of our planet without my express written consent I'll Cease and Desist their asses faster than your can say "Prince!"

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:03 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)



    Comment by Anonymous
    22:43 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The Earth has been copywrited by Anonymous, only Anonymous can post images of the Earth...Let's sue the **** out of NASA.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:41 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hm. Seems to me some butthurt artists on 2ch complaining since their art (with or without reference) wasn't as good as his.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:12 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    with the number of sites both pay and free that have open source images how STUPID could you be

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:42 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Seems you illustrate this level very well.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:42 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The people at 2ch should comparisons of Disney and Pixar flicks, just for the fun of it. I'm sure they could find the original reference or "tracing" material pretty easily based on their no-life track record...and why not even live-action movies too?
    Seriously, it's how you learn to draw, by making a copy of something, like live nude models!
    He would have traced pictures from books, if there wasn't the internets...Lots of "high-profile" and other artists "copy" reality, what's the big deal?

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:23 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Anybody have the sauce for the girl w/ big boobs in the blue yukata for the last pic?

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    Comment by GodOfSpeed
    16:35 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why can't he copy it and modify the image a bit? It's ok right? People need to copy things or use something as a reference of their work, this is just logic! Or else how do we learn? -_-

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:44 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    i had a friend who copied comics. no tracing but freehanded while looking.
    i dont know how he could copy that accurate but his jim lee stuff was amazing.

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    Comment by maxchain
    13:39 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, I mean, if he took the photograph of Earth from space himself...

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    Comment by Tateha
    10:08 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I kinda feel bad for the guy. Even the best of the best trace/use references but once I saw that he copied the doodles and sketches on the wall, I realized this guy probably got what he deserved.

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    Comment by Thage
    10:53 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I still think the main issue here is 2chan's information capabilities...

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:16 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Everyone should now go back and look at the people he drew in, really incredible stuff in my opinion. And honestly, the point was made about Warhol, if he showed the real picture and then his picture adding to it in a compilation like it's shown above, he could have probably pitched it as modern art. Such bullshit, I feel bad for the guy. Not much else he could have done with such a psycho investigation hunting him down.

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    Comment by hALOTOO
    22:18 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Look to me like he plan to retire with a bang, but that just me

    Comment by MonogatariStory
    22:41 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Okay, so drawing an accurate depiction of the earth is an infringement of copyright from God.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:17 06/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I didn't know crab mentality existed outside of the Philippines...

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    Comment by Uncommon0taku
    05:21 04/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    damn,... its one thing to have an archive resource, but to totally depend entirely upon your sources and copy every last detail is - is - just so wrong.

    Its perfectly alright to have a source for refference, but you have to use your own creativity and immagination to conjure your very own interpetation of a subject. So that nit-pickers and copyrights won't be infringed upon.

    A lot of the great artists use sources for refference, I've encountered lots of media that are slightly diffent in poses, surroundings, down to odds and ends that fill in the background and foreground. You just have to add enough and make it different enough to make it your own unique version.

    geez he even copied all the tiny things down to the little nicks and dust particulates!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:14 30/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    He certainly has skills with vector art, inking, and other illustrative techniques, as clearly many other artists do. While so many other artists and companies get away with this without their audience even realizing it (ie. they take their own photos, hire photographers, or buy stock imagery), it's just plain silly when someone goes online and grabs anything available with no regard for copyright.

    Just as Pandemonia said, he has the freedom and skill to continue working in the graphic field. Many small-budget or niche-market companies will readily grab him - willingly, even with the knowledge of his previously traced work. They may even hire him for that very reason. I used to provide freelance work within the IMVU community, digitally "painting" over screen caps of users' avatars and scenery. It is not an easy thing to transpose photography onto digital canvas, especially by hand.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:55 04/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    whyever someone so talented got pushed to that extent?everyone does what he did.

    KyoAni did so.


    Comment by Anonymous
    01:11 04/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yet more proof that the peeps at 2chan are utterly batshit when it comes to digging up stuff that you'd never expect an ordinary human being to actually be capable of discovering.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:27 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    There's nothing wrong with x-referencing art when the subject is not the trace, but rather just small visual implements around it.

    I suggest if artists are so insulted by this (and I do some non profit art for my local gaming store ^^) simply reference the sources Harvard style, APA, or Oxford with an attached bib.

    Then all credit is due, and if owners of sources actually want to bitch or sue, cross that bridge when you get to it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:33 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I am cool with tracing and violation of copyrights. Unless it looks bad.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:43 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    As an amateur, tracing saved my art. "Eyeballing" every single aspect of a picture is like trying to multiply two large numbers without writing the intermediate steps down on paper first.

    Furthermore what most people realize is that -- especially for characters -- tracing does not make a perfect 3D -> 2D conversion... a lot of line fixups still needs to be made. Oftentimes if you just grab the outline of a real-life reference posture, the figure will be too fat for an anime character, so you still need to thin the outlines.

    Similarly with background perspective... what is naturally shot lacks the isometric depth which is a staple of anime, so you still need to distort the perspective a little.

    So in summary, even with tracing, there is still a lot of touch-ups to do to make a better transition to a 2D picture.

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    Comment by Simca
    00:57 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    such a low life
    his art is good so he should've just tried to develop his own style rather than to resort to tracing
    simca is disappointed

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:49 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Do us a favor and kill yourself then.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:07 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ya'll just jealous cos you can't trace like he can. I dare's ya lol

    (Tis Meimi132, before I break and get an account.)

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:24 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    2ch: Bunch of retards. All artists (at least the good, wise ones) use photo reference. Trying to bash this artist for doing the same is a stupid, obnoxious thing to do.

    Also, he didn't simply copy-paste shit like a photomanip, he redrew them. So, moral of the story, fuck you 2ch.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:50 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's pathetic that people have enough free time for this kind of 'investigation' - but also, REAL artists don't trace, so I can see why he would feel ashamed.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:33 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    geez if the guy was a rich artist claiming to create everything he draws i would understand such witch hunt,
    it's obvius somebody gelt envious of him.
    most of the pics seem to be used as reference rather than traced, only around 3 or 4 are obviusly traced.
    the method used to compare Tony's pic with the original photto is the easiest way to know if something has been traced.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:45 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Those 2ch bastards clearly have no idea how illustrators and concept artists work like.

    This is common practice! And it's well-accepted too in the art community (which is not 2ch).

    Damn amateurs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:10 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    LOL I think he just COPIED the image rather than traced it. adjusting image size to fit each other isn't that hard.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:34 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Man, I wish these guys could look into Reiq's shit.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:36 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The internet is a place comparable to the universe. What 2ch has done is equivalent to playing I-SPY with the entire internet as your gameboard. Amazing.

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    Comment by Offline
    10:32 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Disagree, tracing does improve your skills...( As a child I became familiar with body proportions by tracing pictures...etc)

    I don't think the artist will quit the scene, he'll probably just change penname...A lot of doujinshika/mangaka/illustrator does that when getting into trouble or just wish to try out other genres...

    Since I'm drawing too I can't really judge him...Details are freakin' devils!! One line made incorrect and the whole pic is worth trash...Tracing not neccessarly means the lazyness of the artist rather his fear not being able to draw something...

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:42 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Tracing not neccessarly means the lazyness of the artist rather his fear not being able to draw something…"

    I agree. And by continuing to trace, he's avoiding overcoming that fear and increasing his skill as an artist. Photographic reference can be great, but no artist should rely on it to this degree, I think. Rather, he should study the photos and see how these things look or work and see if he can represent them properly in his drawings.

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    Comment by sanimej2
    10:29 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ummmm... yeah... (=_=);

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    Comment by Lillith
    10:24 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Most of it does not look like tracing but merely well drawn referenced material. Some of it does kind of look traced though...
    I don't know, reference pics are essential for an artist but it's hard to tell sometimes if they've crossed the line into copying and passing it off as their own.

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    Comment by giascle
    10:27 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)


    Comment by Anonymous
    10:49 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    If only 2ch would put their power to use for good...

    Like finding some dirt on Agnes Chan, Unicef, Equality Now, etc...

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:43 03/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes, a hundred times yes!

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    Comment by Wolfy
    10:50 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    In reality all artist copy before they get down there own style.

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