New Law Allows Husbands to Starve Wives Who Refuse Sex

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A new Afghan law allows men to withhold food from recalcitrant wives if they refuse to have sex.

The law, a sop to the nation’s Shia minority, originally legalised rape within marriage, forcing women to have sex with their husbands at least once every four days, as well as eliminating the need for a wife to actually consent to sex.

Progressive elements within the nation and all civilised nations without it condemned it as being barbarously oppressive, and the Afghan president relented and opted to revise the law.

However, the revised version, which quietly passed into law, is seen as almost as bad, as it allows a husband to starve his female slave if she has the temerity to refuse his lusts, and also requires the woman to have permission from her husband in order to work.

Afghanistan’s western puppet president was supposed to be promoting civilisation and development, but observers say he is attempting to court Islamist conservatives in order to assure his election victory.

Via the BBC.

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  • Hm… This comment section has alot of religious buttfucking dicksucking and retarded nippleass bullfuck right up its ass.

    Fuck you all, religious fucks. You all sucks so much it fucks. Thats all I can say.
    No religion is better than the other. Jesus was a homo, Allah can suck a pig dick and the pope can take his loliraping nazi ass and go to hell.

    With best regards
    //Pantsu

    • anon@7:24

      what you just said… is one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever heard. at no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. everyone in this forum is now dumber, for having listened to it. i award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

      -the beast

  • just as Christian that separated into few ways, Catholic ,Protestant etc….

    the Islamic also seperated into Shia, Ahli Sunnah etc~~

    don’t just take one action taken and say that the whole Islam people is that way~~ please do more research before even saying anything….

  • best thing you could ever do is remain single and let the stupid greedy ho’s starve on their own …
    i have no sympathy whatsoever for greedhog american whores who demand everything and give nothing in return…

  • as a married person I say this law aint so bad!

    nothing pisses men more off when they work hard and like crazy – make money for the whole fucking family but when, after a long tiring day at work, one comes home and wants to have some quality time with his wife she starts bitching about how she feels exhausted and wants to sleep etc etc.

  • If a woman has the right (and I think we all agree she does, except for the radicals in this thread) torefuse sex.

    How do you think a man should be FORCED to buy food for his wife? This is afghanistan. Correct me if I’m wrong, but there aren’t a lot of working women. If a woman has no obligation, why should a man have any obligation?

    Obviously no rational discussion will happen with those religious nutjobs in this thread, nor will there be any rational discussion from feminists who think anyone who doesn’t believe women should rule the world are trolls.

    If you marry someone that is an agreement to spend the rest of your life with someone. If you don’t want to spend the rest of your life with that person, don’t marry them. I hear about women who refuse to have sex with their husbands, and I think, who the fuck are these women? Obviously they are using their vagina as a weapon against their husband, refusing sex for whatever the fuck she wants this time. And you want me to say “well, the man should just take it.” Wrong. If she refuses sex, he should refuse something as well. When the woman grows up and stops trying to use sex as a wepon, tha man can stop using some other means of withholding things as a weapon. In afghanistans case it’s food.

    Of course, this doesn’t apply to people forced into marraige, and I don’t know if they even have divorce in Afghanistan, or if they’d just stone the woman to death.

    But the concept of a man withholding something from a woman should not seem terrible, when we are perfectly ok with women withholding things from men. This sort of ultra feminst women should rule ideology will never win.

    • So a womans only obligation in life (according to your conveluted logic) is to please a man sexually. Spoken like a true Muslim.

      God even Hindu’s are more advanced than Muslims and there religion is one of the oldest in the world.

    • I think what you need to see is the IMPORTANCE of both food and sex. If a woman is denied food, she starves. If a man is denied sex, he stays alive.

      There is obviously something very wrong with this.

    • MelancholyMomo says:

      I think you are mistaken with the main point.. >_>..

      This is a literal mistreatment of basic human rights.. are you trying to imply that it is okay to starve a women just because she refuses sex, and she doesn’t have a job (that she can’t do)..

      Can you honestly say that if you were in the place of a women unlucky enough to have a cruel husband, you could honestly say that you wouldn’t mind being treated like this..

      and your argument is literally.. a husband buys his wife food so he should have the right to rape her(because that is what it literally will be)..

      Does that mean that if I buy you food, I can treat you as a slave..?

      I bet in the end that you are one of those guys who complains about what is on the dinner menu even though your mother is busy..

      ignorant bastard.. >_>..

      • MelancholyMomo says:

        and if you want your ideology to work.. it is still unfair as most women don’t have the same opportunities to get high paying jobs/jobs..

        in fact I am not sure that most muslim women in Afghanistan have jobs at all..

  • to the supporters of the viva la men shit. go to another country that supports it. I’m not trying to push any veiws on any1. BUT realistically thinking it is unlikely america will change anything womans rights. It wil prob get worse.

  • Thats harsh!!! if they wanna make fucked sexist laws y not go all the way instead of half assed….. like women must go toilet i special women toilets in an alley, no clothes only underwear, women have no souls so it will never count as rape.

    great examples there for afghan LOL

  • This has nothing to do with Religion Apparently the US ally and Puppet president of Afghanistan Granted some Deviant Minority Tribes “Shia” or “Shiites” This law in order to win their Votes in the elections. THIS IS THE DEMOCRACY THE US INSTALLED EVEN The Taliban never DID SOMETHING SO STUPID!

    • TomorrowIll says:

      Actually the Taliban did much much worse. Learn what you’re talking about before you open your trap.

      For instance they slaughters women in stadiums for the crime of being too westernized, wearing western clothing. I remember some descriptions, one case in which they killed a women’s young son because he was crying when they killed his mom.

      Also it was equally ignorant of the original poster to call Hamid Karzai a “western puppet”. A western puppet wouldn’t be passing laws like this which alienate American public opinion and thus undermine the effort to keep troops there.

      I notice they just had a real election there, congratulations, Afghanistan.

  • Wandering_Youth says:

    First reaction when I read the news:

    That’s just so wrong…

    After reading some comments:

    Meh, it’s their country let them screw themselves over. We got our own problems to deal with.

  • I really hate marriage more and more with each day.
    Marriage really shouldn't be in law at all. It's benefits should be open to all, single or not.
    Making marriage a legal institution only helps create things like this.
    Then again I just hate laws in general.

      • A man won’t die from lacking sex. He needs to learn restraint and timing, not just forcing his own ideals over his wife just because he needs some.

        This thread just shows how depraved men have sunk. Lacking sex once or twice a week is not the end of the world.

  • binladenisgay says:

    Backward mentality strikes again.

    I wonder why most muslim men treat women as trash then go hypocrite saying they protect their women…

    by forcing them to look like islamic ninjas 🙂

  • I read this article and then the subsequent posts and then found one thing puzzling.

    With all the fantastic sentiments floating around, why is it that male otaku and anime lovers are so romantically challenged?

    I guess it’s one of life’s mysteries ::shrugs::

  • marriage itself is un-natural to our species and is the direct invention of religions. Humans aren’t monogamous by choice, in fact this is why most marriages fail in a society where women have equal rights.

    Comment: Read F. Roger Devlin
    http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/devlin_contents.htm
    – –
    19-08-2009 02:21 # Report
    Yall wanna hear something really fucked up? There’s a country where, if you’re married to a woman, and she gets knocked up by another man without your knowledge, and passes the child off as yours, and she decides to get divorced after delivering the baby, she can make you pay child support on it for 21 years. This is even if you’re working at a temp service making 7 bucks an hour. Guess where this place is?
    The USA.

    Q F T

    – –
    While America has it’s flaws with marriage laws, brutal treatment like this is plainly wrong. Regardless of someone’s status as wife or husband they should be treated as fellow human beings, not like a farm animal of some sort.
    Comment: Ask a man who’s been through a bad divorce about his human dignity.
    – –
    19-08-2009 05:03

    Mature men realize that marriage is all about making the woman happy. Giving her the best, most expensive wedding, giving her money whenever she demands it, listening to her nonsensical rants, even when the thing she is ranting about can easily be fixed, buying her the most expensive items she can imagine, being completely happy that she doesn’t take care of herself at all, can’t cook, clean, or do dishes, while you are expected to change your whole life around for her. This is what marriage is about.

    Q F T
    – –
    19-08-2009 06:02
    I’m a girl posting, and I guarantee most of the men that act like women are dirt have never gotten laid or, if they have, are bitter about being dumped once the woman wised-up and not in a successful relationship with a smart woman right now.
    I asked my best friend to read the posts, and she agreed that the men here are unpopular with women in real life.

    … I’m a pimp posting. I asked my brother pimp if all the women posting here are nothing but tricks and hos, and he said sho nuff

  • My name is Atma and I oppose this throughly.

    Not because it hurts women, but because of how barbaric it is in general towards -humans-. These people are flesh and blood, same as you, and you would deny them one of the few things needed to actually survive and live on a daily basis because you can’t get off of all things.

    Think about it. If you were in this position, you’d hate it too. To be treated as a slave, a throughly beaten and spat upon person, not allowed your dignity or even the right to divorce or even allowed to speak up, lest you get killed by the same laws that prevent you from getting your personal justice.

    Nobody should do this to anyone. Not men to women. Not woman to men. Not women to women. Not men to men. Not any creature to anything else. It’s purely barbaric, from times past that we should have bettered ourselves and distanced ourselves from. Have we, as a species, learned nothing?

    This is what’s wrong with the world. Not porn, not drugs, not wars, but the fact that we, on a basic level, cannot function and live together without trying to throughly defeat everyone else on every level.

    What happened, humanity? Who pissed in your cereal this time?

    • ‘I oppose this throughly.

      Not because it hurts women, but because of how barbaric it is in general towards -humans-.’

      I’ll believe you when I see you screaming blue murder about men getting abused.

      ‘we, on a basic level, cannot function and live together without trying to throughly defeat everyone else on every level.

      What happened, humanity? ‘

      Humans may have immortal souls, but human behavior is mostly dictated by the body. The human body is made to smash the brains out of antelopes with improvised clubs. The human body is made to cooperate and betray other humans. The human body feels good when it takes revenge. All the ugly things about human nature are hardwired into the body.

      Don’t worry. We can all look forward to being dead someday.

    • Simon Cowell of Eroge says:

      …and not eroge either. It’s just that some people like to undermine and disfranchise the others, like Equality Now(ah, the irony). They are the reason why the world is so messed up as it is.

    • Nothing strange about this, RAghead religion and culture is a distilled guide-book to surviving in the middle of any desert. Women where baby makers and fuck holes in no particular order. If the wenches tried to be different or strike out, the men simply chop off their heads. Problem solved…

      Problem with this now is that many cultures outside of RAgheadistan have scientists (Primarily and mostly in America!) who have brought life to the desert. Israel is a prefect example of bringing back the green to the brown. Remember when the Israeli government Retards gave back the Gaza Strip in 2005? There was a company within that had produced stronger strains of vegetables that could survive harsher weather conditions. They’ve imported to several countries and had heaven forfend, where making a bundle of cash for it.. well, though they managed to move most of their equipment out. They left much there when the raghead rolled in. What did they do you ask?

      They fucking raided and destroyed Everything, I’ve seen the -BEFORE- and -AFTER- pictures and it aint pretty. raghead in action!

      Anne Coulter had the best solution to solve this problem and it’s harsh in itself. I’m no dumb ass bible basher, but the solution of,”Kill all the adults and bring up the kids as christians” wouldn’t solve the real problem.

      I say, “We have Millions of unused Nukes.. lets use them ALL.”

      But that would remove all this fun stories out of the website…

      So, ragheads. Continue to stone all the women and gays to your hearts desire, treat the women like the fuck holes they truly are in you eyes. Don’t mind us civilized folks who write and protest the EVIL Americanos(tm) INVADING and RAPING your land as described by ALL of the GOVERNment CONTROLLED (willing to boot!) Media and college twits who want the withdrawal of American troops from..well, from EVerywhere!

      Arty and SankakuCom, bring ’em on down and spread the word!

      • `Israel is a prefect example of bringing back the green to the brown.`

        Yup, they just kidnap Palestinians, cut out their kidneys against their will, sell the kidneys in New Jersey, and get the green American money out of the brown Palestinian skin.

        Really nice people, those Israelis. And by “nice” I mean “prone to violating U.N. resolutions.”

      • “~scientists (Primarily and mostly in America!) who have brought life to the desert.”

        Don’t buy what I wrote? Try out this link and read about One America who thru his actions. May of saved over a BILLION and much, much more lives for his works.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug

        Fuck the tree huggers who back paper studies as the truth! Bow down to the EPIC EPOCH making AMERICA HERO who didn’t give a shit about who he SAVED. To this day his work still saves lives.

        Mr. Borlaug is one of the true HEROES of our entire civilizations. I’m proud to know that he is an American and I say Up You detractors of American Ingenuity!

        • The Green Revolution would be relevant to Afghanistan if it had enough political stability to import foreign experts and materials to make it work, and if water limits weren’t an issue.

          However, the Afghans are not stupid. They know the limits of their resources and they know that imported foreign experts would be likely to undermine Afghan interests.

          Borlaug might have been a hero, but many villains – such as Monsanto – claim to be upholding his ideals when in fact they are just profiteers.

        • Simon Cowell of Eroge says:

          Hm, I’m sorry…but how are all these relevant? Muslims live in desert is a misconception. There are Muslims all over the world. I don’t think the cultural difference between Islamic nations and the West is something that green technology can solve.

      • Unfortunately, my sleep schedule doesn’t exactly help with article commenting, so even though I’m late to the party, I had to have my say. Hopefully with the new forum integration, people will see this post.

  • There are two kinds of Muslims. One is Shia and the others is Sunni. Sunnis follow the teaching from the Koran and Hadith while the Shias follow Sayidina Ali’s.

    Correct me if I’m wrong.

  • ah yes 1st anon it will probably end bad if you look at it that way.
    But you know most people joke around here,are serious here but not actualy so in RL.

    So who says internet life connects to RL?

    And everyones attitude here,shure but who says how will they act infront of the women they actualy want.
    If they want one though.

  • Azure Xuchilbara says:

    Makes me wonder why Equality Now and UNICEF and that bitch, Agnes Chan ain’t dealing with this crisis to the rights of women rather than ban lolis and eroges…

    Oh right…IT WOULD REQUIRE TOO MUCH EFFORT…

    That or 3D men/rapists are more dangerous~

  • There is a reason for why this law was passed. The Muslim nation has been out breeding a lot of culture and they are succeeding very rapidly. Think about it after all the killing in Afghan and all the suicide bombers they are still at large. Each family is to have 4 to 5 kids to Cary out there name and well you can guess what happens if they keep doing the same its simple the plan is out breed the enemy.

    • You wouldn’t love the other part of a woman could deny a man food if he was unemployed and it was a matriarchal system.

      Think about the other side before you open your mouth and say stupid shit.

      • Barbarian of Gor says:

        Actually, when the man gets laid off he’s absolutely at the mercy of his wife who can almost always cheat in front of him, leave him and the courts will savage him. They do things like making him stand with a sign “I am a deadbeat dad, will you hire me?” and just setting up a system where the system pays the woman and he’s a criminal if he doesn’t pay for that plus the state’s “Service” fees.

        So often they do this. The man works and works and works a job he hates to put bread on the table, then when he loses his job and can’t immediately get one at least as “Good” his wife just dumps him and the system runs him through the grinder.

        “Richer or poorer, sickness and health…” right, especially “Good Christians” are good at calling this trash.

        • Actually it can be in the exact opposite way too… There are more lazy husbands existing then wifes, special since the most ones don’t care about the children besides playing with them when they are older.

        • Sorry for the TL;DR post guys but this isn’t for you.

          MIKEE- You’re trying too hard. It’s an embarrassment to men. Most of us aren’t that desperate. I want my loli and rapelay, but I don’t go plastering the comment section with ramblings. that makes you as annoying as Agnes Chan and her army of fictional characters fed up with being fictionally abused.

          Your dick’s probably the size of a thimble so I can understand you wanting no one to be able to say no to you. But keep it to your self. every post I’m reading is actually making me pity you.

          That said you speak like some 14 year old English troll looking for attention. So what’s with the USA in your name. Not many Americans repeatedly refer to ‘college’ as ‘university’. You’re the “I want to fucking explode that country!” “I want to kill everybody” “You deserve death” MMO junkie douche bag that ruins internet conversations. STFU and let people enjoy reading the comments and THINKING. I know this is the most attention your ever gotten in your life but restraint would be nice. So just back away from your sweat and semen covered mouse and let people talk.

          oh yeah Misogyny can be funny. Just not when the person ranting is as unfunny and charismatic as most women. Take notes from the others here, yeah?

        • Actually, most of Mikee’s complaints have been about women’s perceived lack of morals. It wouldn’t matter how dumb he is, because from his perspective, being moral is better than being smart.

          …Which is great and all, but it’s usually the wrong side to be rooting for, historically speaking.

        • enough death threats yet, mikee? 🙂

          i think it makes you dumber than the feminists that you hate so much, when you threaten them and everyone who doesn’t fully support non-feminism like you do.

          go find a better solution to your problems.

        • How about we kill you for not fulfilling your role, feminist woman, how about we burn you alive?

          How about we crush you under force. You have used law backed by force to crush men. Men should destroy you.

          Marraige is about sex. If you, a female, believe that you can refuse sex to your husband you should be killed so you do not continue to spread that belief.

        • haha, i love dropping comments like that and seeing people get mad. but you got one thing wrong, i never said anything about her cleaning up after him. a grown man should do his own dishes and his own housework, he didn’t marry his mom or a housekeeper. but in a relationship where a man does what a grown man should, and he’s married and bringing home a steady paycheck, his wife should take care of his other needs. and at the same time, he should take care of hers.

          lol, feminists, funny shit

        • That would almost kinda make sense if she were allowed to choose her husband and to leave without her husband’s permission. Thing is, once she’s married, she’s stuck unless he dies, she dies, or he throws her out. She isn’t there for a reason, she’s there because she can’t leave.

          That’s like saying if you’re getting ass raped in prison it’s OK, since you choose to be there, and it wouldn’t happen if it wasn’t your role.

        • And I pity you for putting women in a box like that. A wife’s there just for sex? Protip: Women love sex as much as men if they’re in a good, fufilling relationship. Good luck finding a wife with that way of thinking…a marriage is 50/50, and each gender doesn’t have one role set in stone.

        • A woman that is staying at home cooks, cleans, and takes care of the children if there’s children.

          Being a housekeeper is just as hard as a man working, except we aren’t paid. Sex is NOT an obligation! A happy woman is a sexual woman, and muslim women over there are NOT happy women.

          If you want to kick me out for not fufilling my “role”, I say see you later, I can work and earn my own way without a piggish man expecting me to clean up after his lazy ass and then being ungrateful about it and having the balls to say denying me food is the consequence for not giving me sex.

          I’m talking about if this was here, of course…women over there don’t have the luxury to kick a guy out on the curb.

      • actually, i think it’s a great idea. I think both sides should have accountability. if a man is going to ask a wife to do that for him, he should be able to come back with what he’s goign to do for her. nothing wrong with spouses doing what they are supposed to do

  • ffffffffffffffff says:

    In the west, if u get married, its for love. So surely u would want to have sex with ur husband, otherwise obviously he is going to get some sex elsewhere.
    They have forced marriges in Afghanistan, so maybe thats why the wives were holding out, cause the husband had a nasty dick or something.
    This law was implimented in the wrong country.

  • It is never a good idea to overfeed your beast of burden otherwise they'll become sluggish and lazy.

    Look at Santa. He got fat and now all his toys are made by Christmas elves. Do you think Afghani men have the resources to support Christmas elves so they can take on the wives' burdens they are too lazy and fat to do themselves? Those effeminate little weirdos have unions afterall. Before you say Afghani women should unionize do you ever recall a cow or chicken creating a union except in a cartoon or a comic? Women simply don't have the mental capacity to unionize like all beasts of burden.

  • Barbarian of Gor says:

    “Or are you a modern women who is trying to destroy all men?”

    I made a post with a bit of polite envy for our Muslim friends. At least men are men there still…
    Looks like it was deleted… Is there a moderator who is a modern women intent on destroying men?

    Look at how “Feminism” has made it so women can behave like the worst stereotypes of “Sexist Males” but then use laws that “Protect them from abuse and exploitation”. I’ve had every friend of mine messed up by such women. They wanted them to be strong, but not macho, a hard worker but still have time for them at any request even if they were about to drop and to support them in every way. Then they cheated on them for non-producing gargoyles and the courts left them with nothing but child support payments. Almost wish I was a faggot, but I’m not, so I want woman to snuggle but they are all selfish vipers.

    I propose there should be a “Cultural Exchange”… We give them some of our “Liberated” women which since “The grass is always greener” would to them seem like exotic beauties. They can beat them into place. Likewise, we take some of their “Worthless females” (unmarried ones not yet beaten to a pulp and acid scarred) and we get cute demure women who’ll be excellent wives and mothers and be grateful we aren’t the sort to treat them like punching bags.

    Don’t think that’ll happen. But a nice fantasy. The next best thing would be to start a seastead. Women are cheap if you aren’t a racist, lots of brown ones outright sold for tiny amounts.

      • Barbarian of Gor says:

        The friend most messed up by this married a woman he knew in college for 2 years before they even started dating. They lived together a year also. And they had a “Christian” marriage. Hardly first “Slut” that came along.

        I thought they were happy. He worked his rear off and sacrificed to improve their lives. She quit her job and did a minimum wage part time job for spending money and hated him for not giving her it, even though he’d gotten into debt providing luxuries for them both.

        She started fucking a minimum wage chef. Now, in my city (town by most coastal standards) chefs earn $12 an hour at least in any non “McJob” culinary place, and that’s actually a halfway decent wage. So that alone meant he had both a drug and attendance problem, but at least marketable skills. At least one of the three kids is his.

        Now, my friend was raised by a single mother and had an absent father (fuck and forget) and he was determined to provide his children with a better life. So she used that to turn him into a wreck and get everything even though they did have an “Infidelity” clause in their marriage contract. (her insistence, btw)

        I don’t buy the standard argument here that men who express issues with women and envy of Islam are “nerds, ugly, etc.” In our society, AmeriKKKa and Japan certainly and almost any “First World” country a lot of men don’t have wives or kids because of all the “Modern women intent on destroying men.” Why work so hard to please them when they’ll cuckold you for a “Satyr” and get all your money? Whores are cheaper, porn’s virtually free, and both are more honest and less full of destructive fantasy.

        I think I will make a “SeaStead”. If I just got a “Foreign Bride” the uppity AmeriKKKan women would try both to seduce me (1) and ruin her. Have to escape.

        Nice concrete floating island modules, built with a few friends sharing this dream to start our own tribe. We’ll just help some of the vanishing “Island Nations” build their own platforms in exchange for being recognized so AmeriKKKa can’t mess with us with impunity.

        And we’ll buy women. I got a fetish for Indian (Indian Subcontinent) women, I’ll get one. We’ll get some orientals of different flavors and negroids. We’ll avoid “Buying” pacific islanders, unless given as gifts by tribes, so we aren’t seen as a threat. The areas we’d get women from, they are sold, killed, punched like punching bags, prostituted with no compensation and even when they marry a ‘well to do’ man he trades down every decade and trashes them. So being carted off by a “Barbarian” who’s not a brute but is rather nice and protective to cute, demure women will be quite the good news.

        BUT-we probably WILL buy white women from slavers (russian ones) or Pirates. (any nationality, even AmeriKKKan once the country starts collapsing) This will be to entice “Tribal exchanges” where we take aboard men from island nations so we are part of the larger “Tribe”. White women will seem exotic to them…oh well…no accounting for taste. But they’ll probably be uppity bitches, so we’ll have a “Conditioning” chamber full of “Fun” to “Educate” them. There will be a sign that they can read as they get raised and lowered from the water, or sit all day on a wooden horse: “Are you a modern woman who seeks to destroy all men?”

        “Hurhurhurh! Raaarrrgggg!!!!” – (excuse me, please, I had a “Primitive” attack where I put on my lioncloth and helmet and grabbed my axe and attacked imaginary Picts for a few hours:-)

        As long as we treat the cute, demure brown ones nice, they’ll just laugh at the white women being “Educated”;-) I think they’ll like white women being bottom of the barrel, period.

        (1) – She never really liked me, or gave me time of day. BUT, when she was doing this to him she literally tried to lure me to bed. Closest I’ve ever come to hitting a woman…

        • In afganistan females aren’t allowed out of the house unless the husband wills it: the females can not be the main breadwinner.

          Also it seems you’re arguing from a position of “equality is good”, and thus you think we will accept you’re argument against this law because we will “imagine” if it were raised against us. Well, no, this law is about men controling women, not the breadwinner controlling the non-breadwinner. It is specific in that it says the husband denys the obsanant wife, not the breadwinner denys the non-breadwinner.

          Go fuck yourself feminist.
          Go die.

        • Well, it sounds like your friend made some pretty poor life choices, and that you went off the deep end a while ago.

          Yeah, there are some horrible women out there, I know plenty of them. But most women aren’t out to destroy your life, or use you, and if you’re arguing that those few who are justify laws like this, what about men? If the woman is the primary breadwinner, can she deny her husband food if he doesn’t putt out, or if he doesn’t take out the trash? Should she be allowed to treat him like shit, just because she knew a guy who cheated on her friend?

          I think this law is fucktarded, but if you’re going to argue in favor of it, consider if it was applied equally, or on a basis other than sex. Otherwise, it just sounds like you can’t take care of yourself, and need someone to protect you from women and your own poor choices.

        • MelancholyMomo says:

          Blame the monotonous thing called life..
          or just wait for gynoids/forsake reality..
          its to late to complain about whether women deserve equal rights.. they have already proven that some can stand on the same foot with men.. and the times when physical strength mattered has long gone..
          I agree with you that giving women rights has caused/will cause more problems than benefits.. and that they are also causing more problems for women in general.. depression.. narcissism.. etc.. but..
          Go read Atma’s comment at the bottom.. ~ http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/08/19/new-law-allows-husbands-to-starve-wives-who-refuse-sex/?cid=263025 ~
          This isn’t a case of men vs women.. things like freedom of speech, expression.. and even basic respect.. should be allowed to anyone.. no matter what gender, race, or any other pointless distinction..

          Atma said:
          Unfortunately, my sleep schedule doesn’t exactly help with article commenting, so even though I’m late to the party, I had to have my say. Hopefully with the new forum integration, people will see this post.

          Ah.. hopefully that is what happens..

        • No, she’s only a whore if she does it for more than one guy at a time. BoG is butthurt because his friends were cheated on. As far as I’m concerned, anybody who cheats (man or woman) is worthless.

  • Agnes was right.

    Looking at hentai, loli, and playing rape games warp people’s perception of women, like they’re something “lesser” or “not human”, and tools to be pleasured by. People lose their care or compassion for women’s sufferage when they watch rape anime and video games, which is easily proven by the men commenting on this page that think it’s a good idea.

    You people disgust me.

    • anime and games are imagination..
      thus it does not hurt anybody
      unlike child porn which actually involve child abuse or rape that involve real woman

      if you watch a hitman movie, where the protagonist kill a lot of people, should the viewer get arested?

      or when you playing warcraft, should the gamer being busted by police, because he ‘kill’ lots of monster?

      if only the gamer and anime viewer actually rape or kill other people, then he could and should be arrested by police.

      fair enough.

      by the way, i don’t actually agree that women should be starved if refuse sex, maybe some kind of punishment like no jewelery or dress(something like accessory). And why? Men exhausting from work, then got home to relax, enjoy themselves ,and sex is one of best stress reliever

      suddenly… no sex..
      it is fair? How he going to feel about it?

      woman have need, and we man obligate to fulfill it
      and it should be vice versa

    • No she wasn’t. In case it didn’t notice, most people who comment here will probably never even get laid, let alone married. And Afghanistan probably isn’t a huge market for rape anime or games, but they still manage to treat their women like shit.

        • Gotta love the idiocy women come up with when their garbage is revealed: a statement or position that women don’t like becomes invalid purely because women don’t like it. Circular logic much?

          If one were to replace women with, say, gangbangers, and use the logic that women here have been using, it would be ludicrous. By their logic, no one can legitimately dislike gangbangers because of the crimes they commit, or the unrest they cause in society, if they are disliked by gangbangers. Their dislike of gangbangers would be caused solely by being disliked by gangbangers. How fuctarded is that?

          One might try to say that all women are not gangbangers and vice versa, but the flaw in logic is clear, regardless of who you place as the subject: the legitimacy of dislike for XYZ has nothing to do with whether XYZ likes one back or not. That so many women rely on the “he isn’t popular with women,” crutch show that women consider their favor as a logical motivation in an argument, as opposed to tangible rationale.

        • ah yes 1st anon it will probably end bad if you look at it that way.
          But you know most people joke around here,are serious here but not actualy so in RL.

          So who says internet life connects to RL?

          And everyones attitude here,shure but who says how will they act infront of the women they actualy want.
          If they want one though.

        • Let me tell you that it’s the womens society fault that this happened,also blame the goverment your food products chemicals that are changing real men.
          All this downcasting, attacking men must have gotten something wrong with them when women started getting more and more rights.

          Also why do you need to call em dirt??

          Wonder why this site that explained why real men are disapearing and fighting for them went gone?
          http://www.endangeredman.com/

        • I’m a girl posting, and I guarantee most of the men that act like women are dirt have never gotten laid or, if they have, are bitter about being dumped once the woman wised-up and not in a successful relationship with a smart woman right now.

          I asked my best friend to read the posts, and she agreed that the men here are unpopular with women in real life.

        • “Probably” should have been your first clue that I wasn’t speaking in absolutes. I know at least one person currently posing here was at one time married.

          I’ll let the evidence speak for itself. Go find all the women you know, have them read every post on this article, and ask them what the likelyhood of most of the guys here being popular with the ladies is.

  • All the men here thinking this is a good idea are one of the following:

    1. Men who were abused by their mother/had their mother leave them at a young age

    2. Men who are virgin nerds that haven’t had a reality check.

    3. Men who were dumped by a past girlfriend and still rage over it.

    4. Complete and utter morons or people with no emotion for anything suffering, not even other humans.

    5. Trolls.

      • Hey they hurt me too Anon. But I’m not going to stop caring just because of that. Not many people in this world won’t like u for some reason, even if it is stupid. there are some good people out there, also living in this messed up world. I don’t know how many but, there are still some good people still attempt to help people anyway, some guys and girls still have a chance to make their life better, while others who became criminals and etc. are just pitied for what they’ve become in life. I don’t know s**t about what happened what happened in your life anon, but don’t take your anger on others who had nothing to do with hurting you whatsoever. And don’t think your life was worse because of that. After all there are people out there who dealt with more s**t than you and maybe lost someone they cared about and dealt with other hardships.

        • I think I might have made an error here. I know I didn’t done anything to some people. Yet some still hurt me. For all I know they were definitely being jackasses. The rest of what i said came from the heart.

        • I don’t know why some a**holes still hurt me like that also, for all I know they were being jackasses. At least I don’t bother dealing with their asses, at least I met friends who understand what I’ve been through because they’ve been through the same thing also. I’m a good boy too, I never did anything to anybody who hurt me, but they did anyway cause they’re trying to be bad or something but they too don’t know s**t either about the world too. They only know just a portion of it. Anyway this has nothing to do with the article. I completely disagree with these new laws anyway.

        • well i never really hurted anyone.As i said i was always nice a good boy,never was angry at anyone or ever did revenge on them,but i keept getting hurt and yet many times i don’t know the reason why?
          Probably maybe other people dealed with more bad shit then me.
          But my part was pretty bad too.
          So life threat and being strangled isn’t that bad?
          Meh that was only the worst part,i feelt so betrayed.

  • I’m so glad I don’t live over there, because if I did I’d be brainwashed into thinking that I’m ACTUALLY SUPPOSED to “serve” my husband, which makes me lol thinking about.

    I truly don’t understand how any man thinks this is a good idea that isn’t just trolling for the hell of it.

    This is horrific treatment, and no sane, caring human would ever support this.

    Is it easy to say heartless things because it’s over the internet? If you were there to see these women being starved, would you laugh at them?

    • –I’m so glad I don’t live over there, because if I did I’d be brainwashed into thinking that I’m ACTUALLY SUPPOSED to “serve” my husband, which makes me lol thinking about.–

      Of course. How ridiculous to think that a wife should EVER serve her husband in any way, or do anything to please him at all? Mature men realize that marriage is all about making the woman happy. Giving her the best, most expensive wedding, giving her money whenever she demands it, listening to her nonsensical rants, even when the thing she is ranting about can easily be fixed, buying her the most expensive items she can imagine, being completely happy that she doesn’t take care of herself at all, can’t cook, clean, or do dishes, while you are expected to change your whole life around for her. This is what marriage is about. The idea that a woman would ever want to do anything selfless for her husband is an evil patriarchal lie spread by evil men who go around raping women 700 times a day and worship the Gods of Wife Beating Ike Turner and Chris Brown.

      I don’t care what gets posted in here about insane women overseas they’re still a hell of a lot better than the Western trash we have here.

      • if you like the fucking country so much then move over there.

        and 2, are you guys that lame that just maybe ‘oh I dont think I should marry a crying baby that wants us to start a marriage in dept over a stupid 1 day wedding’

        really, I can get 20,000$ for a marriage (since renting places and catering would take up most of that money) but any more then that then it gets iffy as to why she is marring you or if you just want to show off your ‘wealth’ to the audience

      • By “serve”, I mean obey and do what he wants me to do.

        Of course marriage is 50/50. I don’t want a retardedly expensive wedding or recieving money to go spend on clothing. You’re taking it out of context. It’s about the woman making the man happy and the man making the woman happy. I’d have dinner on the table and the house clean if I was the one staying at home, and I’d expect the same from my husband if HE was the one staying at home. But here’s the difference: I do it because I love him and I’m not working, and I want to make him happy. I don’t do it because I HAVE to do it. If I had to do it, that’d be serving my husband.

        Don’t act like the women here are evil and the men are innocent, because women are still being oppressed by abusive, insecure men and husbands, and even other women.

  • Yall wanna hear something really fucked up? There’s a country where, if you’re married to a woman, and she gets knocked up by another man without your knowledge, and passes the child off as yours, and she decides to get divorced after delivering the baby, she can make you pay child support on it for 21 years. This is even if you’re working at a temp service making 7 bucks an hour. Guess where this place is?

    The USA.

    Really don’t care about those skanks over there: way I see it, it’s better them than me. And women over here are showing every day that if it’s not them then it is me.

    • Sorry for the immature statement, but that law is so wrong. It’s disgust me, and it’s clearly a law that is unfair to the women in Afganistan. Whoever made that law is proving themselves to be unfit in working in their own govt.

  • Barbarian of Gor says:

    “Or are you one of those modern women who seeks to destroy all men?”

    Heh… I’m a bit envious of our Islamic friends, kind of like “At least the men are men”…

    Really, one thing that really sticks in my mind to this day is when I saw a woman and fell in love with her on first sight. And I asked her out and was brutally turned down. She really made an issue of it, I guess she was one of those “Princesses” who thought she was a ten and if anyone (even a “7”, which I guess I should find flattering) significantly lower than herself asked her out, it lowered her. And, mind you, we were both adults free from High School…

    Well, that was brutal, but I got over it. Didn’t really think of it till I met her 5 years later. She was with a guy, and that guy was a gargoyle. She was walking from a K-Mart to her car in the parking lot. She carried the groceries, she drove the car. I didn’t need to look further than that for the obvious, I doubt that guy ever worked. And, she had bruises on her face covered by makeup.

    Now, this sounds like a “Revenge Fantasy” or if it happened I should have been laughing out loud at her, right? Well, it gave me my first real burst of “Misogyny” in a huge red rage. Did she reject me because I wasn’t pretty enough, strong enough, rich enough, a personality issue? No, she deliberately chose a parasitic gargoyle that abused her. I almost went to a gay bar, but gagged at the idea and hated women more then. I’m not preachy, just personally I’m straight…

    Frankly, all my friends have had such a problem. They have to crawl across cut glass to get a woman, keep them a while. The woman slacks off and is only good at indulging herself. Then she cheats on him and the law gives her everything. We have to be strong, but not hulks, sensitive but not too feminine though this can change day by day and neat freaks but don’t show it. Then they go for the “Outlaw” types, they don’t marry them, they support them, and all from us.

    All these “Moralists” bitch why people in the USA don’t have kids that much, especially the “White” ones. Well, the reason is it isn’t worth the effort. Too much energy spent building a family, only to have it taken away on the whim of the woman.

    So, I’m a bit envious of the Islamic part of the world in that regard. I don’t per se condone real violence against women. All those cute, demure ladies being hurt by brutal men is wrong. But I’d like to see our “Uppity” (meaning acting worse than the worst stereotype of sexist men) ladies get a taste of that.

    We should do a “Cultural Exchange” give the Muslims and Oriental well to do a bunch of prissy, uppity white women to beat into submission. And then we take the cute, demure ones to be dutiful wives and mothers who’ll stand by you rich and poor and clean the house, tend the garden and have dinner waiting for you when you get home!

    • at first I agree with you that that woman was a bitch and gives us good ladies a bad name.

      at the same time though, I dont like cooking but I dont mind going out to eat and pay for it.

      not all woman wants to be at home cooking, but that doesnt mean that they arent nice and warming woman.

      keep the house clean? um, I wouldnt marry a pig to clean after same that I wouldnt want anyone to pick after me either.

      how about you actually befriend a girl and see if she’s your type instead of going after her looks only? thats what you get for shallow judgement so expect that same person to go for shallow judgement too

      • errr…hello? it is not the malaysians who bomb hotels several times…its the indonesians!!! and when tidal waves hit indonesia, foreigners come help them, when something happen to taiwai, somehow its none of their business….

        I hope stupid foreigners who helped indonesia is now pleased so that they will come to visit indonesia more and stay at the local hotel and enjoy the hospitality here

  • Hmm not unexpected when the most of the voters are males.So certainly the goverment will think of things to appeal the men and not women.
    Since men will vote,women certanily gained the right to vote there,but i think they are represing them so they don’t vote or either they opress them to vote their way.
    Anyway check this:
    http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=1894766

    No wonder america got such fail laws when most of the voters are women.

    • reason…
      women is emotional type of person… more than male

      when you follow emotion more than your brain..
      that’s what happen

      you vote for an unfair law

      male get married for a month, then get divorce, half of asset get taken away by unemployed ex wife..

      and lots of marriage in US actually doesn’t work out

      i am not anti feminist or equality, but is this sound fair to you?

  • MelancholyMomo says:

    Alessa said:
    Women aren't human. They are beasts of burden. They don't have rights except for the ones we give them. Our pets are more human than women.

    I gauffawed..

    Alessa said:
    So by keeping women in their place they are keeping themselves in power? Women aren't nearly that influential especially in the third world.

    Sorry, I regret using 'to stay in power'.. That was a stupid mistake.. >_>..

  • MelancholyMomo says:

    Anonymous said:
    You’re wrong. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but it’s true. While the Quran is pretty damned uncharitable to the fairer sex, the entire Muslim world is NOT one culture. It’s just that the Afghans are on the rougher end of the spectrum.

    Corrupt as the government may be, it’s all that’s keeping them from total anarchy, or at least provincialism. If they don’t support measures like this, it opens the door for certain factions to join the extremists, or refuse to accept the notion of a central government.

    My comment still didn't show up.. >_>.. I might have been blocked..

    —————————————————-

    again.. I admit that what you say is correct..

    I shouldn't have mentioned the 'stay in power' bit.. I am trying to having arguments in different places.. and my minds going >_<..

    'Quran is pretty damned uncharitable to the fairer sex, the entire Muslim world is NOT one culture.' – Again.. I am not denying that..

    I have never stated that the muslim world is one culture.. >_<…

    I only brought the Quran into this because Alessa's point was that we are looking down on them due to their culture..

    and Afghanistan being a country where one of the largest religious groups are Muslims..
    I thought it would be okay to bring in the Quran..

    I am not criticizing it.. I am just stating that this law is just an bad example of man using religion for his own personal causes.. and their religion is a part of the Afghan culture..

    • For what it’s worth, I’m not offended, and I think you’re right to be outraged by the whole situation.

      I would say that the Afghan culture, by and large, is one that thinks little of it’s women’s freedom… but that’s not because they’re Muslim. It’s mostly because they’re still living like it’s the dark ages.

      It’s fucked up, however you wanna look at it. And I don’t agree that the Afghan government should be making these kind of laws. But in the context of trying to win a civil war, I can see the appeal.

  • MelancholyMomo said:
    but I doubt it says anywhere in the Quran.. about anything like this..

    It doesn't have to. Like any religious text it just gives guidelines but it doesn't have solutions for every issue.

    this is not what their culture is.. this is just an worthless attempt by some corrupt government to stay in power..

    So by keeping women in their place they are keeping themselves in power? Women aren't nearly that influential especially in the third world.

    • That’s exactly the point. You keep women from having a say by keeping them under their husbands. By extension, as long as you’re giving the husbands greater power over their wives, you successfully gain their support in keeping your power. All this seems like pathetic scheming of a bunch of weaklings, who lack the confidence, finesse,or ability to get sex from their wives without a “law” to back them up. LOL.

  • TripleM on one hand I am saying each culture has a right to their own sovereignty and others outside of them don't have a right to interfere. It has nothing to do with turning my gaze away from a problem. It is their society, it is their problem, and it is their right to come up with whatever solution they feel is necessary to address their problem as long as it doesn't infringe on other societies. In this case it doesn't infringe on my society so they are free to proceed. On the other hand I am saying the world should be following the Afghani's example. I tend to agree with the Muslim treatment of women. That shouldn't be too surprising.

  • MelancholyMomo says:

    Alessa said:
    I agree with his statement. Each society will have to decide on their own laws and it is despicable when foreigners try to mold a society they see as inferior due to their culture and ways. It is white man's burden bullshit philosophy all over again. We have no right to judge their culture as has been demonstrated we don't have room to judge. Our institution of marriage is failing and almost nonexistent. Besides with this law Afghanistan is going down the right direction which I wish we would be progressive enough to follow.

    Sorry it seems I didn't bother reading your comment thoroughly enough..
    No one is really critiquing their Culture.. I am not really a expert in the field of Islamic religion and belief..
    but I doubt it says anywhere in the Quran.. about anything like this..
    this is not what their culture is.. this is just an worthless attempt by some corrupt government to stay in power..

    • You’re wrong. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but it’s true. While the Quran is pretty damned uncharitable to the fairer sex, the entire Muslim world is NOT one culture. It’s just that the Afghans are on the rougher end of the spectrum.

      Corrupt as the government may be, it’s all that’s keeping them from total anarchy, or at least provincialism. If they don’t support measures like this, it opens the door for certain factions to join the extremists, or refuse to accept the notion of a central government.

      • MelancholyMomo says:

        again.. I admit that what you say is correct..

        I shouldn’t have mentioned the ‘stay in power’ bit.. I am trying to having arguments in different places.. and my minds going >__<…

        I only brought the Quran into this because Alessa's point was that we are looking down on them due to their culture..

        and Afghanistan being a country where one of the largest religious groups are Muslims..
        I thought it would be okay to bring in the Quran..

        I am not criticizing it.. I am just stating that this law is just an bad example of man using religion for his own personal causes.. and their religion is a part of the Afghan culture..

    • It probably does not stand there. The bible also did not advise to do the inquisition and the crusades. Religion is just the tool to make people stop thinking about stuff and have faith, then the possibilities are endless.

      • Indeed, the very least thing that involves violence mentioned in the Islamic teaching (that’s what my school taught us, i’m not a Muslim anyway) was “Do not be engaged in Wars unless you’re threatened to.” Well, that basically was meant for the armies during the crusade era, but lots of self-proclaimed religious bastard nowadays changed it to “If someone mock/badmouth your religion, put a bullet into his head.”

  • MelancholyMomo says:

    Alessa said:
    I agree with his statement. Each society will have to decide on their own laws and it is despicable when foreigners try to mold a society they see as inferior due to their culture and ways. It is white man's burden bullshit philosophy all over again. We have no right to judge their culture as has been demonstrated we don't have room to judge. Our institution of marriage is failing and almost nonexistent. Besides with this law Afghanistan is going down the right direction which I wish we would be progressive enough to follow.

    Where has apathy gone.. ~_~.. sorry for being to moralistic.. but..
    I will say the same thing to you as I did to Vicious.. in our debate before.. seriously the only reason you are saying what happens to them is not our problem because you have nothing to worry about..
    ———————
    'There are some people who live in a dream world, and there are some who face reality; and then there are those who turn one into the other.'
    'Society exists only as a mental concept; in the real world there are only individuals.'
    – 'accepted by the whole' – wah.. ~_~..
    I seriously and honestly despise people like you.. your the type of person who has lived a comfortable life.. and during that time you have made up the conclusion ~ 'who cares about the world', 'does it really matter', 'so what, it doesn't affect me' ~ shall I explain why it is you don't care.. its because countless people have already fought these battles for you.. countless people have fought for freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of thought..
    wtf.. – 'accepted by the whole' – What about the people who are affiliated with the victims, what about other homosexuals, what about the people with enough common sense to know what they are doing is wrong, what about us who are disgusted by the fact that these people are being murdered for not hiding their own sexuality..
    ———————–
    in this case ignore.. the homosexuals, insert women instead..
    What you are literally saying is.. there is nothing wrong with treating women like slaves as long as they do it where I cannot see it.. >_>..
    again.. sorry for being to moralistic..
    p.s. if this ~ 'there is nothing wrong with treating women like slaves as long as they do it where I cannot see it.. >_>..' ~ is what you meant..
    no comment..

    • What happens to them is indeed a problem, but only to you and your damned westerner’s thoughts, because your society has taught you that the women will suffer because of abuse.

      But hey, is what such thought of yours the ultimate truth, and must be a universally accepted fact? Of course not, that’s because you are taught by the people in your own society, and you are only able to look at such matters with a perspective that is of your own biased knowledge.

      Whether the women there are going to suffer or not is not up to us to say. Not because it’s not our problem, but it’s because the biased knowledge we received does not allow us to think in a way that the women there are not going to suffer.

      You are not being moralistic, actually. In fact, you’re being biased. You’re looking at things in your own perspective, and not in others. I despise people like you, who thinks that whatever things they learnt is the truth and everything else is a lie.

      Moreover, you’re being racist in one sense. By harbouring thoughts that the women suffer because of this, which is knowledge from your own culture and society, you are thinking that the Afghans teachings are wrong, and your damned western teachings are right. So, in other words, there’s this subconscious thought that your culture is always in the right, and the Afghans are in a wrong.

      Now, are you truly being moralistic? Or are you blinded by the knowledge you thought was moral received by your own society?

      • dude, they are being denied food because they just dont agree. should I deny you food because we dont agree on the same point? no because its a FACT that you will suffer because no food=death.

        there is no moral bias on a proven fact.

      • If it’s only a problem for us westerners, why are so many Afghan women committing suicide by burning themselves to death. I don’t think they would do that if they didn’t have a problem with it.

        Here’s an idea. Don’t make the law. Men and women who don’t have a problem with it can go ahead and do it anyways, and women who do have a problem with it won’t have to choose between rape and starvation. Why would it be necessary to limit choice in Afghanistan if, as you say, it’s only a problem to us evil westerners?

        PS: “Afghan” isn’t a race, and telling someone their laws are ridiculous isn’t racist.

        • It is good that the pro-women’s rights women kill themselves: one less feminist is one good feminist.

          How about the MEN create the society and the laws they want? How about that mother fucker?

          And how about they kill you if you interfere with the desires of MEN? How about that? A nice bullet for you and any others who attempts to impose women’s rights and feminism?

      • MelancholyMomo says:

        ‘because your society has taught you that the women will suffer because of abuse.’ – ~_~..

        I don’t think I need to comment anymore to that…. in fact what the hell..?

        I have made up my opinions using facts and statistics.. and knowledge from actual Muslims.. and opinions from others..

        if you are going to claim that I am blind/racist.. please explain more thoroughly.. all you are saying is that society has taught me that ‘that the women will suffer because of abuse’ – seriously ~_~..

        All I will say is this..

        I have never stated that all women are treated like slaves.. all women are treated horrifically..

        but does that mean that all women are treated fairly..?

        if I show you statistics.. and figures.. and actual facts will you agree with me..? ~ I can’t really be bothered though.. ~

        In fact please show me evidence that what you are saying is correct.. then I might actually agree with you..

        if you are saying anything worthwhile at all actually.. ~

        • MelancholyMomo says:

          ~_~.. I can’t help but feel that you are treating me as an idiot.. one who doesn’t understand the world.. and how it can be biased..
          Please don’t misunderstand.. I am not so naive that I can’t tell when articles are biased…

          ‘Why not try gathering unbiased statistics in Afghanistan and tell me what you’ve gathered?’ – Again.. I am not so naive when I look at statistics.. When talking about controversial things, obviously I will take care with what statistics and facts appear before me, after all I might be thought of as a fool if they turn out wrong..

          Questioning statistics and facts will not get anyone anywhere if we were to debate, because the probability that they are biased exist. – Are you trying to say that if a man pays a woman’s father to be married for one night, raped then divorced.. it is biased, that it didn’t exist.. ~_~..

          As for the part that you’re being “racist” in a sense, I’ve already explained it. You have this perception that YOU are right, and you have received an influence in the western culture, as I can see. So, why aren’t the Afghans right? Because you think you’re right, with all your biased reasoning which was knowledge from a western culture? Thus, your reasoning sounds like that the knowledge you receive is superior to what the Afghans receive. Thus, isn’t it being “racist” in a sense? – In the end I could easily say who is to say the knowledge that Afghans received is better the knowledge that the West has received..

          – Who cares who is right or wrong.. there is no absolute good, there is no absolute evil.. there is no absolute right/wrong.. the thing is that what they are doing offends me, and probably will offend countless people worldwide..
          May I ask are you a woman or a man, if you lived the life of one of those women who were unlucky enough to be married with a cruel husband.. could you honestly tell me that you don’t have a problem with what is happening to you..

          I seriously feel that I am arguing with vicious again..
          ———————————
          gauffaw.. gauffaw.. philosopher wannabe ~_~..
          very well I apologize for misinterpreting your stand on this.. and I have to say everything you have stated to me is common sense/naivety/idiocy.. and even though I disagree with most of it.. I don’t enjoy arguing with a wall.. hence I shall leave this..
          but nevertheless.. I will not take back my opinion.. the only reason you are able to stay/act neutral is because you have nothing to worry about.. and for that I pity/am jealous of you..
          ‘Philosophy, a route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing.’
          I consider myself neutral in most matters.. but there is nothing I hate more than a wannabe philosopher/emo philosopher..
          ——————————–

          in your case it would be.. an ignorant fool..

        • If you’ve stated such things, then my bad, pardon my ignorance as I was too fired up to read below.

          I won’t ask you to state these sources. In fact, if I were to read such articles, I would just be questioning the accuracy of the article. What are the chances that the article was done in a way by the author that he only reveals the parts that favours his points? It’s not entirely impossible, isn’t it. In fact, those who would bother to do up such articles and statistics are those who are against the practices of the muslims, which surely received an influence in the western culture and are biased in a sense.

          Even I have muslim friends who condemn such actions. But I do not consider it accurate since because they live in a society that was westernized. Why not try gathering unbiased statistics in Afghanistan and tell me what you’ve gathered?

          Don’t you have such thoughts before when you read such articles, and obtain opinions of others, that it is biased?

          Questioning statistics and facts will not get anyone anywhere if we were to debate, because the probability that they are biased exist. Of course, I’m also saying that there is a chance that they are not biased. I’d suggest we stop here about this.

          I’ll state my what my arguments is based on first: It is based on your knowledge that you’ve received from your society was biased, and so is the judgement you’ve made based on such knowledge.

          As for the part that you’re being “racist” in a sense, I’ve already explained it. You have this perception that YOU are right, and you have received an influence in the western culture, as I can see. So, why aren’t the Afghans right? Because you think you’re right, with all your biased reasoning which was knowledge from a western culture? Thus, your reasoning sounds like that the knowledge you receive is superior to what the Afghans receive. Thus, isn’t it being “racist” in a sense?

          Alright, if you didn’t think the women are suffering, the my bad. But since you think that they are not treated fairly, I’d like to question the knowledge you have based on to make such a judgement, which I can see was influenced by the western culture. Like I said, your influence with the western culture has made you think that they are not treated fairly, but the Afghan culture thinks otherwise. So, there isn’t a right or wrong, except when you make a judgement based on your own culture and knowledge, which surely is biased.

    • no, actually 4 is maximum
      and the one condition that has to be fulfilled is “to be fair to all of them both phisically and mentally”
      which is, of course, an impossible condition
      therefore, a large number of moslem youths deducted that it was actually intended to be monogamous anyways

      • nope, 4 is not the maximum. if you can afford it, you CAN have more than 4! at least that is what i heard from a muslim friend. and you have to be fair to all of them, say you have sex with the 1st wife tonite, you HAVE TO have sex to the other wives the equal number of times.

        • again.. you are obviously wrong.. 4 is the maximum number.. you want to add one more, the you have to divorce one of your already wife..

          about the fair thing, yes thats true..
          you have to be fair in everything, and you know it isnt easy task.. imagine buying 4 house, four cloths, four jewelries, four furniture…

          however, most muslim in my place opted to marry only one partner or two(very rare case).. or even hard to find who have three or four wives..

  • Of course. Because food and sex are equally imperative, aren’t they?

    As a woman, seeing this kind of law just disgusts me. As soon as I read the headline, I knew that it had to be somewhere in the Middle East.

    Were it me, I think the best way to get the wife to cheerfully engage in sex is not to show sexual relations as a chore and dirty, but to freely show pornography. Of course, the first step in that, would be to admit that the woman has an avid sex drive— not something they’re likely to do currently …

  • Of course. Because food and sex are equally imperative, aren’t they?

    As a woman, seeing this kind of law just disgusts me. As soon as I read the headline, I knew that it had to be somewhre in the Middle East.

    Were it me, I think the best way to get the wife to cheerfully engage in sex is not to show sexual relations as a chore and dirty, but to freely show pornography. Of course, the first step in that, would be to admit that the woman has an avid sex drive— not something they’re likely to do currently …

    • Hopefully one day men in America and the west will become disgusted with feminism and women’s rights and all their wishes that they, the men, are denied.

      Hopefully that day your unhappiness will end, for one can feal nothing once one is nothing.

      Men are persecuted for having young wives of childbearing age (12, 13, 14 yrs old) in America, or persuing such a wish.

      Men are persecuted for having sex with their wives when they wish (rape).

      Men are persecuted for being married or in a relationship at all in America (divorce, theft of property, accusations of rape, etc)

      I hope they seek vengance. Perhapse the military men will: they come home to adultery, divorce, child support demands, prison.

      I hope they cross the Delaware and end the reign of the female sex: the blight that has spread upon western “society”.

        • “”and she bite you …and no more sex ….lol””

          Then you burn her alive, and then you use the rest of your life to kill every female women’s rights campaigner in the country.

          Don’t you understand? Hopefully men won’t back down in afganistan like they did in the western world.

          Death To women’s Rights.
          Viva Men’s Liberties.

          I think you want men to obey the wishes of women. I thusly hope you die… no more life… lol… Scum.

  • MelancholyMomo said:
    to the anonymous who said..
    —————————————
    Posted by unregistered user:
    The American concept of a wife is a woman who has no obligation to do anything for her husband.
    The American concept of a husband is a man who can be kicked out of his home and have all of his money confiscated by his wife.
    Did anyone expect this model of matrimony to work anywhere?
    America’s divorce rate is high; many Americans refuse to marry.
    Why should Afghans marry according to American law?

    I agree with his statement. Each society will have to decide on their own laws and it is despicable when foreigners try to mold a society they see as inferior due to their culture and ways. It is white man's burden bullshit philosophy all over again. We have no right to judge their culture as has been demonstrated we don't have room to judge. Our institution of marriage is failing and almost nonexistent. Besides with this law Afghanistan is going down the right direction which I wish we would be progressive enough to follow.

    • Either your post is an (successful)attempt at a troll, or you have something against women. While America has it’s flaws with marriage laws, brutal treatment like this is plainly wrong. Regardless of someone’s status as wife or husband they should be treated as fellow human beings, not like a farm animal of some sort. This law is a horrible idea based off chauvinistic ideals and headed in a truely awful direction.

      • Now, this, is teachings from your own society. Your society and culture teaches you that women are equal and should never be abused.

        And here, what makes your society correct, and not the Afghanistan society?

        What makes you think this law would be horrendous in Afghanistan, where laws like this are followed by its people because it’s part of their tradition or culture?

        You damned westerners are seriously always trying to force your views on what YOU think is right on other countries. Each country has their own traditions and laws, and it’s not up to others to judge whether they are right or wrong. So, stop thinking as if the country will be doomed if they impose such laws.

        • Well, if treating your wives like shit is justified because “it’s our way,” couldn’t the argument be made that it’s OK to force our views on you, if “it’s our way.”

          Who are you to judge us? Is that also a part of your culture, to tell us or anybody else that they shouldn’t tell everybody else what to do?

          There’s a difference between telling someone you understand why they do what they do, and telling them that you don’t believe it’s right or wrong. Cultural relativity is necessary in the first case, but in the second it either justifies everything, or else it can’t be used to justify anything.

      • If wives weren’t constantly refusing sex, we wouldn’t need laws like this. In America it’s a woman’s right to refuse, which is why the divorce rate is so high.

        GET A GOD DAMN SEX DRIVE, WOMEN, IT WOULDN’T KILL YOU!

  • MelancholyMomo says:

    Firo said:
    Alessa, Muzaffar, just check the main page. :'D

    Yeah.. it looks different.. ~
    p.s. I wonder if images still work. testing.. sorry if things get messed up..
    edit. looks like it doesn't.

  • MelancholyMomo says:

    Alessa said:
    Who are you replying to?

    to the anonymous who said..

    —————————————

    Posted by unregistered user:

    The American concept of a wife is a woman who has no obligation to do anything for her husband.

    The American concept of a husband is a man who can be kicked out of his home and have all of his money confiscated by his wife.

    Did anyone expect this model of matrimony to work anywhere?

    America’s divorce rate is high; many Americans refuse to marry.

    Why should Afghans marry according to American law?

    —————————————

    Alessa said:
    By you do you mean me? My attitude doesn't change with my gravatars. You are just easily influenced by gravatars. If I picked another cutesy one no matter what I would post you would think it was the sweetest thing ever.

    I guess that could be true.. but I am pretty sure that your attitude does change.. >_>..

    like a while back with your horror one – you were hating humanity

    now with your flame guro – its more troll

    your cute one – don't really know.. you are probably correct I guess..

  • Muzaffar said:
    Haven't visited the forums in weeks and this shit happens. How I am so fucking lost…..
    Oh and fuck this Islamic law. Even as a fellow muslim this is probably too much…..

    Mufasa! The King has returned! Joy spreads throughout the Pridelands.

    • wow, for someone bearing the name Muzaffar, you sure aren’t much of a jihadist aren’t you?

      but “fuck this Islamic law”? I suggest you study better. Crap. This isn’t even Islamic law, you self-proclaimed moslem!

      “The law, a sop to the nation’s Shia minority…” Shia aren’t moslem.

    • LOL@”probably”. They’re given the right to -starve- their wives for denying them sex. Occasionally men -deserve- to be deprived of sex. I doubt anyone can sucessfully argue that this is not sometimes the case.

      • I argue that if you “deprive” your husband, then either he should rape you, or starve you to death (at his option). You’re a worthless wife and it would be fine if you expired so that you could not teach further generations of females to think such opinions such as your own are acceptable.

        In Afganistan women with the ideas you have either burn themselves to death, or get shot by someone else: either way the feminist problem resolves itself.

        Death to Feminism, by any means.

        • “Yes, officer, he fell down that open elevator shaft — onto 27 bullets.”

          An “accident” would be relatively easy to arrange in a city, less so on the plains (in pics I’ve seen, Afghanistan appears to be desserty-flats with breathtakingly huge, tall, vertical mountains)…

          … but what’s the consequence to her and her children?

          Does she have the education to get a reasonably-well-paying job, or start a reasonably-profitable business?

          Does their culture hire women for reasonably-well-paying (non-prostitute) jobs?

          If not, she’s still essentially a slave.

  • MelancholyMomo said:
    No one has said that.. ~_~..

    and your argument literally is.. since the western system isn’t that great..

    there is nothing wrong with forcing Afghan women to be treated like literal sex-slaves.. >_>..

    Who are you replying to?

  • TripleM come back to the board since the flow of convo's are confusing when you post on the other side of the fence.

    By you do you mean me? My attitude doesn't change with my gravatars. You are just easily influenced by gravatars. If I picked another cutesy one no matter what I would post you would think it was the sweetest thing ever.

  • The American concept of a wife is a woman who has no obligation to do anything for her husband.

    The American concept of a husband is a man who can be kicked out of his home and have all of his money confiscated by his wife.

    Did anyone expect this model of matrimony to work anywhere?

    America’s divorce rate is high; many Americans refuse to marry.

    Why should Afghans marry according to American law?

    • I dont agree to that either but equality is whats missing on both sides. woman in US shouldn’t get the advantage of getting all she wants and men shouldn’t treat the woman like cows.

      give and take.

      also, marry some one with the same sex drive and try to take note if everytime you guys finish having sex if she asks for some thing cause then you know she’s using it as a bargaining

      you guys can do that since in the US the amount of straight woman greatly out number straight men

    • You say the American concept like everybody in America was of one mind. That makes about as much sense as saying that the Afghan concept of a wife is a piece of property you use and throw away when you get tired of it. I somehow doubt every man in Afghanistan thinks that way, and common sense should tell you that your knowledge of US divorce law and gender roles in relationships is somewhat lacking.

      In any event, if you really want an argument over over US vs Afghan law, I would say that while far from perfect, at least US law attempts to treat men and women the same. That is, a man who’s stayed at home and raised his children while his wife has worked would be entitled to half of everything if they divorced, assuming neither one is more responsible for the divorce than the other. Obviously, if one was cheating or abusing the other, that would be taken into account.

      That’s the theory, anyways. It doesn’t always work, but at least most non-Islamic law countries make the attempt to treat both parties equally. Equality, too, is culturally relative, but if that’s used as an excuse, then cultural relativity could be used to justify anything.

      • US (domestic/family/marraige/sex/etc) law is garbage. It treats men horribly. Men do NOT have what they desire in the US.

        Men often want young females of childbearing age as servant-wives of their OWN. (Females gain the ability to have children commonly at age 12, 13, or 14.)

        The US jails men who attempt to aquire this. It is a hellish system of widespread opression of men, and it’s spread world wide (feminism).

        You’re scum if you support it. You deserve death if you impose it on other men.

    • Aldous Huxley had some interesting words to say about a sexually liberal, marriage-less society and posited that, even in an environment where having multiple casual partners is encouraged, human beings have a tendency to become possessive.

      On a somewhat related note, monogamous relationships have their purpose in serving as social units for childrearing. The human childhood period is longer than that of many species, and monogamy was likely developed to create an environment where a child is being taken care of during that time. Our society has also conformed to this, preferring a system where children are being taken care of until a certain age instead of being fully integrated members of society.

      It’s been the primary way of taking care of kids for nearly every culture, developed naturally on their own without intervention from other cultures that have developed that concept first. It has existed in the Americas before the arrival of colonial imperialists, and in places where the primary religion doesn’t even have a deity (or deities). The only other alternative I know of is the kibbutz, a form of Hebrew communal living where children are raised in peer groups instead of with their parents. These communities grew out of a need for more farmhands rather than a need for a new method of childrearing, so I don’t know how this will work out for society as a whole if we ever abolish the concept of marriage.

      • I remember hearing of a study done (sorry, no date/time or pointers) on people who had been members of “free love” communes in the U.S. during the 1960s.

        Ten years later, most of them had arranged their lives in to 2-person domestic units.

        The program didn’t say whether or not the study addressed the _reason_ for this – i.e. individual choice vs societal pressures.

        Also, remember that “genetic success” (your genes are passed on one generation past yourself) does NOT equal “human happiness” (emotionally fulfilling domestic arrangements, happy, well-cared-for children, etc.).

      • Yes, divorce rates will be low in a country where men are allowed to kill their wives, but women can get a divorce without their husband’s consent.

        As for suicides, I’m not aware of any group that even bothers to record suicide statistics for Afghanistan, since most suicides there are unreported. If you’ve got a source though, please share.

        • what the hell are you saying..
          muslim are not allowed to kill their wife you know… or drive them to suicide

          and women do have option to get divorce.. a process called Fasakh..
          where she can complaint to judge and court.. if her husband confirmed to be a jerk which abuse her..
          she can get the divorce

    • MelancholyMomo says:

      No one has said that.. ~_~..

      and your argument literally is.. since the western system isn’t that great..

      there is nothing wrong with forcing Afghan women to be treated like literal sex-slaves.. >_>..

      • Not taking sides here, but:

        Usually, to divest a culture of it’s traditional institutions, you do have to suggest a better alternative.

        The ‘law’ in question has been in use for centuries, it’s just finally getting around to being codified. I’m sure there’s plenty ‘wrong’ with it, just not in an objective sense.

        • The custom was more humane when it wasn’t inscribed in a hard and fast law. Before it was only a function of community expectations. That way the community could, as a whole, decide who was being unreasonable (the husband or the wife) on a case by case basis. There was at least room for shades of difference and rulings. A law of this sort obliterates the shades and loopholes normally found in tribal law that can make it gentler and generally tosses out community involvement (which could generally regulate some of the more gross abuses).

          I’m not saying it’s great the way it was. I’m just saying codifying something like this will generally be destructive because it takes judgment out of the hands of the local community. Tribalism doesn’t mess well with national politics. Unfortunately, Afghanistan is an interesting mix of both worlds.

        • MelancholyMomo says:

          True.. and I admit that your point is a good one..

          Its kind of like what the US is currently doing in Afghanistan..

          I will stop arguing.. because I am scared I have turned to moralistic.. >_>..

    • That’s because marriage itself is un-natural to our species and is the direct invention of religions. Humans aren’t monogamous by choice, in fact this is why most marriages fail in a society where women have equal rights.

      • Not really, that only happens because the most mens there don’t got balls and is stupid enaugh to give her the control of his money. Who male or female wouldn’t abuse having the control over somebody elses money sometimes?

    • I agree hands down, stomach empty on this one. Marriage is a sacred duty for a woman and a man. Knowing men need sex, for a woman to withhold sex is just asking him to break his sworn oath to be faithful. If she shows so much need to push him into adultery she needs to understand there is a consequence for this action. Women and Men forget they are bound to serve one another when they agree to marriage, it is not take care of me and i do what I want. Or just make me babies and cook and clean. There are services each partner must do for the other.

      • vesper_nova says:

        give and take is that so hard to do? sigh however there are those who believe that marrage is thr right to have excusiveness on a curtein woman even if she doesn’t agree with it. also in some places it used as a form of busness transaction. ‘you want into the family busness you marry my daughter.’ ‘You want welth from my family, youre daughter marries my son.’ in condstions like that the happiness of husband and wife is not important.

        • “believe it or not, in another muslim country, a woman once asked for divorce bcuz his man asks for sex 16++ times per day. No kiddin’. It was on the news last month and the woman won.”

          What country was that; it needs to be bombed. Every pro-women’s rights mulsim country needs to be exterminated.

        • really? i think i’s because most of the muslim law-practitioners are men, so they overlook the pages of Koran that support women.Beaten, starved…that doesn’t exist in Koran–at least i haven’t come across it yet. it was created by some dumbassed lawmakers because most women can’t read(or not bothered to).
          believe it or not, in another muslim country, a woman once asked for divorce bcuz his man asks for sex 16++ times per day. No kiddin’. It was on the news last month and the woman won.

        • Wife does not have the right to refuse to service her husband, according to the Koran. A woman that doesn’t perform the act her husband wants, is supposed to be punished. Beaten, starved, or otherwise forced or coerced to perform her holy, required duties, it is all condoned under the Koran. The only warning is that if the husband does permanent damage to her that would prevent her from being a wife, then he shall have to always provide, and provide well, for her. But he can instantly divorce her.

          Islam really sucks for women, but is great for men.

        • That whole “business” thing happens when people are considered objects of trade, and not people.

          It’s up to the son to decide, “I won’t marry someone who doesn’t want to marry me.”

          To do this, though, he first has to realize that it is wrong, and second, he has to battle culture, family pressures, etc.

          That might mean leaving his family and going elsewhere (another district, another country, etc.).

    • Actually, this isn’t a bad idea if you ask me. It’s a nice way to balance the universe after hearing that article of the Japanese wife making her husband pay 5000 yen in return for sex.

        • Mikee. When you have no job, I bet that you would love to have a wife with good rights and good pay to support your slacking off. But that’s all in the future. Maybe in 10 years. Considering that you sound like that you are 11 now.

        • Well said, anon.
          MikeeUSA and Demitron, I bet no woman will ever get close to you, you don’t have any female friends and are now whining for that.

          Now, people like you should be erased from the gene pool. We don’t need pathetic obsolete trash after all.
          Well, in some years I bet time will do us the favor, if something else doesn’t do it, which would be the most desirable thing.

          I pray for a soon and violent death to you.

        • I hope that guy is just trolling like I think he is and he isn’t serious… if he is serious… I can’t say I’m proud to have a man like him to be the same sex as me, let alone the same species, I hate to say it (no wait, I don’t hate to say it at all) you’re views are sub-human MikeeUSA

        • Trolltastic! 😀

          I applaud your stupidity, I really do. You usually have to go to a Freak Show for such a sickening sight.

          Incidentally, did you lose your time machine/ticket to Afghanistan? I may be able to help you with that…

        • I’m a Catholic, not a muslim.

          Every man starts out wishing for a nice young female to be his, do as he asks, and to have relations with.

          Many stray from this, or believe that they can aquire it through displays of weakness and obedientce and support to females. Some happily sell the rest of the men of the society down the river.

          A few do not. Hopefully they will place bullets in those men and women who attempt to implement feminism/women’s rights.

          Hopefully such action will spread around the world, just as feminism itself has been spread around the world by worthless douchebags.

          Death To women’s Rights.
          Viva Men’s Liberties.
          –MikeeUSA–

        • Yea, Anonymous, you’re the kind of douchebag muslim we have in America: you reject any pro-man thing that your co-religionists come up with, while still not liking the country you’re residing in for all our “crimes” against your “people”.

          Go to hell douchebag.
          I’m glad that America is propping up a patriarcial government for once: maybe the US military men are tired of feminism.

          Oh, and you can’t DEFY this law: it give you, the man, the option of not paying your female in food if she refuses you. The other law was better though: no man should ever be punished for raping his wives. They’ll probably re-pass that one later.

          Oh and anon: if you’re infact a american muslim female rather than and american muslim man: you’re completely worthless and I pray for your death.

          Every time I see one of these muslim women in their getup in america, and I often see them in university, hate swells because they are pro-women’s rights scum like ever muslim female outside of the few partrical muslim countries.