Family Project ~Kazoku Keikaku~ “Fully Uncensored” Eroge
- Author: Artefact
- Categories: Games, H, News
- Date: Jul 21, 2009 07:16 JST
- Tags: Censorship, Comparison, Eroge, JAST, Loli, Oppai, USA
English language eroge publishers JAST have recently released the classic Kazoku Keikaku / Family Project, which is said to be fully uncensored as with all such international releases.
However, some doubts have been raised as to just how straightforward a claim this is…
A group involved with an earlier unauthorised translation project holds forth on the matter:
So JAST USA made the claim that the game is “fully uncensored [18+].” Wrong! While most of the game is indeed uncensored, they photoshopped several images of Matsuri, the youngest girl. The following pics have nudity. See the before and after right here!
1. Before and after!
2. Before and after!
3. Before and after!
(This one really doesn’t make sense. She’s wearing two bras! Also, you eventually do see her breasts here, so there’s no excuse for this one!)
It’s the principle that matters. We wouldn’t have complained if there was full disclosure, and we would have still plunked down $50 CAD for the game.
Now we simply feel burned and ripped off. JAST USA already announced that all girls were 18 or over. Why did they have to censor these images? Whatever the case, there is no evidence of anyone being informed of this, so what we have here is a flat-out lie.
Boo, JAST USA! Boo! Makes you wonder how they’ll handle the Nitro+ titles. Send them your complaints, and maybe they’ll include the uncensored images in their upcoming patch!
Just whether this is really “uncensored” or not is likely a niggling question of semantics – if no mosaics appear in the game, but scenes are “localised”, technically all scenes in the game would be uncensored even if this is not really what would be expected.
Since all JAST’s localisations sidestep any age related issues by insisting that all participants are over 18, a solution also used to good effect in the English language ero-anime, it is indeed curious they would feel the need to make these kinds of modifications.
Perhaps next we will see any character with less than a B-cup quietly dropped? There is after all typically no way of telling the age of fictional characters drawn in anime style accurately…
JAST CEO Peter Payne responded thus when we asked him to comment:
Yes, we did have to make some changes for the American market, which is something we always potentially do for every game.
In the Japanese original, there was some vagueness about the age of one of the characters during parts of the game, and since they contained nudity we made the necessary decision to make some small changes.
We hope that fans will take into consideration that these games are licensed for the Western markets which means a different set of potential problem areas for us, and as fans love to play eroge in English, we hope they’ll be understanding when we have to clarify parts of a certain game.
We didn’t mislead anyone and we strove to make we avoided referring to this game as “100% uncensored” since we knew some changes were going to be made.
The story is actually preserved this way, if you play the game, as it’s part of the game that the main character waits for Matsuri to be old enough for a relationship, which we didn’t want to derail by saying she was 18 from the start of the story.
The game is available for download now.
Other observers have complained about the game being tainted by incongruous 4chan references, ruining the atmosphere and hardly seeming to be authentic translations:
Whatever the legal niceties of the eroge market might be, this sort of thing seems much less excusable… Peter Payne promises a patch, saying it was an unfortunate error:
The over 9000 was actually a joke that was supposed to be commented out and we missed it. We’re preparing a 1.1 version of the game and will release it, however we won’t be fixing any of the stuff we tweaked with cause.
An official response is visible here, and in the comments below.
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Misinformation and deceit. What's this nonsense about 1% or 100% uncensored? Its sounds as bad as it smells. Like that shop who sold me an "original" game title that later turned out to be a demo. When I went back he said it was an "Original Demo". Sure use obfuscation and equivocation but its still blatantly deceitful and your customers will remember.
Glad I learnt Japanese so I won't have to put up with these fools.
I recommend fans do the same. It applies to more then mere eroge. That fansub/R1 release you watch or that localised PS3 title, they could be lying through their teeth and you'll never know....
Even if you pirate the Japanese version, the games you are playing are still illegal "child pornography" in much of the world. No authorised translation is possible without these kinds of changes, so you are basically saying that no legal market for visual novels can exist outside Japan (which doesn't want domestic versions exported anyway).
Artefact, you're missing the point(s) here.
1) Adding underwear didn't cross any legal line. JAST's censoring was elective, and while it's generally understandable for a business to err on the side of caution, porn isn't exactly an industry where excessive caution is rewarded.
In other words, the game could've been released in a true uncensored form that just didn't specify the character's numerical age, and it would've involved minimal risk.
2) You yourself concede (rather ahead of anyone else's comments, in fact...) that some of this censoring isn't even logical; that's more of a quality control issue than anything else. Is that not giving the customer a valid reason to choose another product?
damn it, I think the length of my post broke something, it's posting all crazy like... ignore this one, full post somewhere up there ^
You got me there. I wasn't that clear but yes, I'm saying that you should pick up the language and either buy/steal your eroge/anime/manga/etc from Japan.
You must really hate communists, hahaha.
Just buy it and play it from Japan if you want. It may not be sold outside Japan but if you relocate or import from various sources you'll still get your hands on it.
I have never ever heard of anyone being charged for purchasing a Japanese game title when they don't reside there by Japan's legal system
No political content here, move along Capitalists.
That's his catchphrase. XD
Then get out of here you dirty communist.
At which address may we contact JAST USA for some rage at them?
I wasn't going to play this game anyway but I hope that someone makes a patch for the people that did want to play it. It's unfair to the fans when this shit happens and just asking the fans to understand why they had to do this doesn't justify it. Pointless censorship takes away from the enjoyment of the game and I don't see how they expected fans to still want to buy it.
Except it isn't really pointless when it is all that allows the game to be marketed in many countries.
So, all the other JAST titles with dubious aged flat-chested lolis (Sagara Family being the most obvious one) can't be marketed in those same countries even though they are sold all around the world through several JAST partners?
If that was true, JAST would have to pull a Hot Coffee on all of those titles.
It seems pretty pointless to me. I haven't played the game but it sounds like there aren't any sex scenes with her until the girl turns 18 so that means there's no child pornography in the game. I don't see anything wrong if she has nude scenes when she's still underage. I could be wrong but if she's just naked and not having sex then it isn't illegal.
"She" is a drawing, so I doubt it could be illegal in ANY case...
In could be illegal in many places. And saying "it is art" is unlikely to wash when anyone can see much of the game is pornographic in intent.
wtf i hate when they charge stuff for a international release. i might have gotten this game but unless there is a patch, i will not buy it
This wouldn't bother me at all if anyone had actually forced JAST's hand; you do what you gotta do. But in this case they clearly CHOSE to censor their game (adding underwear is censorship, it's not somehow magically distinct "editing"). As someone pointed out in response to Peter Payne's comment, there are plenty of loli releases in the US, so the "but you guys, we HADTA!" excuse is bullshit. The Supreme Court of the United States has weighed in on this, why isn't that good enough for JAST?
It also doesn't help that I purchased a title from JAST that had the two youngest characters with mosaics intact (and this was well before the PROTECT Act, too). I emailed Peter Payne and basically got a response of "oh, that's weird, all our games are uncensored". Uh huh.
Take note Mr. Payne: another potential customer who won't be purchasing any unnecessarily censored titles from your company.
"as fans love to play eroge in English"
Somehow when translated into English the original feeling is lost so NO. "Fans" NEED it in English because they are too fucking lazy to learn Moonspeak. So much for being fans. Not HARDCORE enough.
Ludicrous elitism. By the same token 99% of anime fans are not "fans" at all, a ridiculous criterion if ever there were one.
Fully agree, I like anime and manga but I'm not good at learning languages and so I need to be more 'hardcore' f@#k off
This is NOT an eroge anymore!!!
Fuck that motherfucking Peter Payne . I swear I'll kill that fuggot american , I swear !
Blaring 100% uncensored into the world and then blatanty censor is fraud. Someone should sue the lying bastards that are Jast USA, especially Peter Pain-in-the-ass...
Just for the principle this censoring is awfully pitiful. Stop paranoia with the youth, youth in fiction is good, fiction=fantasy, bordel de merde. Even if she wasn't 18yo, the only ones who see difference with 15/16/17yo are just some hypocrites. Laughable.
So why do they need to censor a game that is made for adults?(i mean adding panties and bra)
Aren't adults allowed to see bewbs and cameltoes anymore?
Or is this game allowed for people under the age of 18.
I truly don't understand these needless stupid censor needs.
When it comes to adult you should give them stuff fully uncensored
The issue here is that not even adults are allowed to view "child pornography".
there is no child pornography in there,since it's drawn and fiction and all ages are over 18 though age doesn't exist here.
That's why I put it in quotation marks.
Some people would be inclined to disagree with you. (not me, but I think we all know a few people who would)
those people must get their thinking changed since they are wrong.And they support victimless crime and other strange things nobody needs,so they are the sickos.
What to you expect from people who crew up with the fake tits of Pamela Anderson.
When they see anything smaller than that they think is underage and not sexy.
"you eventually do see her breasts here, so there’s no excuse for this one"
There's no point in sexual censorship at all. I had wathced porn since 8 years old.
And I forgot to mention that included child pornography at it's best.
...so they add bras and shit to the smaller bodied one even after claiming all characters are 18 in order to appease the American prudes because an anime chick with small boob may just look a bit young. Fuck them. I have an a-cup and I don't appreciate the thought that just because they have small boobs then they must be underage.
Family Project eh... Well, I've certainly heard some good things about it, but wonder if the art style is a bit too old for me.
they censored the one that matters?
Yeah. They had to screw up what could have been the breakthrough for eroge in English-speaking countries...
... Am I the only one who plays these games for the story? :(
Also, is Peter Payne the brother of Max Payne? :D
I play them for the story too. However, lying to customers TWICE is unacceptable, and saying it's 'okay' to put small edits in KK can eventually lead to more edits. More images will start being edited; paths will start being altered; entire portions of games getting cut. Censorship is never okay.
Well depends. There are ヤリゲー out there that are all about the sex and CG. If you take those away, there is nothing left of the game. On the other end you have games like 家族計画 which is story-driven. The plot and the cast really shines in those games that the CG are essentially added bonus.
Simply had to agree that the censorship are definitely not needed , what for censor her breasts with the ' Ooh I need to get heatstroke in order to let the story progress so I have to wear 2 bras ' thing when you have a sex scene with her in the near future ? They might as well cut out the whole Matsuri 's sex scene . And please , if you really played the game , Matsuri ain't anywhere near 18 during the sex scene [ at most 16 / 17 ] .
LOL is this all that was 'altcensored'?
Hacko. 15 minutes (with Photoshoop/GIMP and .packagetype? file editor/s) can save you 15 months or more of waiting for a satisfactory patchfix.\
CG editing...oh wait..
So why don't we simply not preorder any of their future titles until we can confirm that they haven't been censored and have been given the assurance that they won't do anything like this again? There's the Downhill Night games coming up and is available for preorder right now--Why not cancel our preorders games and choose not to order them until they've been released and confirmed uncensored?
It seems to me that the customers who are most likely to get screwed over from this are the ones that preorder these titles and receive them after they realize that it's been censored. So if we not preorder any games they make in the future, we can tell them that we don't trust them with regards to how they handle this sort of content.
Fight the power! Be a man Peter! Do the right thing!!!
I could forgive being forced to censor by the evil bigots who hold so much sway over our police and criminal justice systems nowadays. Sometimes, you can't just beat them all by yourself.
What I cannot forgive is the false advertising. There is no excuse for then going on to describe the product as 'uncensored', instead of disclosing the nature of the edits so that customers can make an informed decision.
One thing the internet allows me to do with respect to media is to support only reputable companies.
No, you shouldn't forgive them for censoring the scenes. The only ones that made the decision behind licensing the title, localizing it and censoring the CGs was JAST USA and JAST USA only. It was ultimately their choice to make it, and were never coerced by anyone.
If you've bought it, I highly recommend you take advantage of the fact that refunds are being offered without question.
So they don't wanna be attacked by insane govt activists, no problem here.
Censorship laws (especially for damn 2d images) are fucking retarded.
There are hardly any to begin with. JAST just chicken-shitted out.
JAST made sure they would be able to sell this game in the future if the pansies in Congress decided to do a "feel good" bill and ban all depictsion, 2D or 3D (they usually lump 2D in ith 3D, silly brainless legislators!), of any person or character depicting an underaged peron in any work, fiction or non-fiction. Remember, the US has had several such federal laws passed--- they just got suspended immediately for their overly broad effects on NON-child porn.
And they got shot down by the Supreme Court. Fear of legal risks isn't any excuse to waste two years worth of work and money if they could have just chosen to avoid the title altogether for the content BEFORE they decided to license it. Hey, there are plenty of fish in the sea.