First Arrests Over Loli Links


In a first for Japan, two men have been arrested for posting loli links to a forum, and the two youths running the board were also arrested for failing to remove the links.

The two men, a 37-year-old pachinko parlour employee and a 37-year-old restaurant worker, were arrested on charges of public distribution of obscene material, after posting links to overseas websites carrying videos featuring under-18s, which would be illegal to distribute in Japan. They were each fined ¥500,000.

An additional arrest of a 41-year-old Korean man is also reported.

Additionally, the two students (19) who ran the site were also arrested, with police alleging that they knew of the links but did nothing to remove them; they admit the charges but say they thought they did nothing wrong.

To further complicate the matter, the forum itself was hosted in the USA, and Japanese authorities had the host provide details of the pair, and close the site.

It is not clear what the illegal content consisted of, or where it was hosted; such sites tend only to be established in countries with very liberal laws regarding underage pornography, such as Russia, but there are suspicions that the videos were merely uploaded to free file hosting services.

Japanese legal experts have raised concerns over the implications of the action, with Internet users now potentially facing charges for merely mentioning links to sites carrying illegal content (which in Japan could include uncensored pornography), or being the victim of redirects; site administrators too face dangers in allowing user submitted links…

Via Yomiuri.

The wave of recent unusual arrests based on new interpretations of the existing law is being greeted with suspicion by some, particularly with the Diet still discussing such matters…

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    Comment by TsundereWorks
    18:23 09/07/2009 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Everyone encrypt your hard drives with 256-Bit security passwords. Use ten fingerprint readers and an eye scanner!

    Throw the hard drive in a sealed, fireproof vault. Send it to space.

    Are you ready? Once the storm is over and reformation begins, we shall all reunite.

    We shall secretly travel to the moon to reclaim our drives filled with folders of 2D lolicon porn. Only then can there be peace.

    This is barely just beginning, many will be lost, but if we act now, we can decrease the amount of failures.

    Comment by jaz
    11:42 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)


    Comment by anouwnx
    12:23 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just be sure you dont post some naked pics in myspace.

    Comment by anouwnx
    12:35 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)


    hm.. whatever

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    Comment by topper
    11:39 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    On the subject of photos and videos, Russia law is not liberal as this article says. All nudity, adult or child, is illegal under the law. Law enforcers have better things to do in this case. I wouldn't title this article "loli links". I would title it "ch p links," because loli means lolicon and lolis are just drawings.

    Comment by anouwnx
    11:42 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually loli means lolita.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:37 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's actually happenening?! I was thinking it'll pass :O *shock*

    Comment by thegirlguywhosaysheisagirl
    15:11 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm not sure what to make of this. I'm assuming the "loli links" were of actual real 3D children. I don't see how anyone could get away with arresting people on the charge of 2D. This leads me to conclude that the whole thing is technically within the current bias law.

    In the United States a sever penalty for possession or distribution of child pornography is in place and is unlikely to change any time soon. I'm not positive about Japan's own laws and regulations but am going to assume it is pretty much the same. In which case the people should have expected it considering the majority of the world and their current attitude towards underage pron. Although I find it unlikely that the police in any of these nations actually went around random sites looking for this type of thing it is much more likely that someone outside gave up the information. In which case I wouldn't be surprised if Agnes Ban herself were behind this. There is also the possibility that this entire article is fabricated considering hardly any information at all is being told. This could mean that some of the outside moralist groups are trying to trick people into obeying them. This could mean that their plans are failing and they're attempting to attack through new methods. Who really knows?

    However if this is not a case of mere 3D child pron then there is definite cause for worry. The fact that art regardless of what kind is being looked upon as a reason to arrest people I still have yet to hear of the whole reasoning behind it.

    I mean why is it bad? Demoralizing towards women? Not really. Considering lolicon is child 2D fake pron. Children don't know better and the majority of them would never even see lolicon until their of the age of masturbation. It can also be said that some women and men actually do act as depicted. How is it "bashing" women when some of them actually act as shown? Hell men act as shown too sometimes but not all the times. Hell the feminists are looking at this all the wrong way rather than be offensive to females it should be it is offensive towards males. This type of artwork makes women think this is actually the true nature of men in which they are all huge perverts and dangerous to be around. The pervert part is not a lie but it isn't just males who are perverts. Women are just as perverted as the men.

    Back to the topic at hand this idea of arresting people over distributing links is not believable. For one someone can post a link without even ever going to the site of which they are posting (usually not the case but can be hard to prove), the hosts should not be responsible since even a thing here or there can slip by and even if they didn't do anything they probably didn't want to check the site and see if it actually was a loli link. They also were probably unaware that they'd get in trouble for something someone else posted...a link is different. One has to actually click to go to the place of the links origin meaning that the site itself is not being distributed.

    The charge for distribution of material should be invalid. Sure they posted a link but they didn't actually distribute anything but the link. A link itself is not obscene. Considering the user must click on the link on their own it is the user not the poster who follows the link. One can click on a link and if the said link isn't hyperlinked then the link itself is merely letters, numbers, and symbols. The user has to take the initiative and enter the website into their web browser to actually see the content of the said website. As such the people who posted the link did not post obscene material but rather nothing more than a link or a bunch of letters, numbers, and symbols. Should they be held liable for distribution of obscene material when all they posted was the link (void of obscene material)? I say nay.

    Let's take a moment to add onto this line of thought though. The guys were charged for the distribution of obscene material right? I've already argued a small case (lots more I could add) about how the distribution part of the charge is invalid and now I shall take apart the obscene material part. First off what is defined as obscene material? Who defines it? What one considers as obscene material is a matter of perspective. The word obscene generally has three main definitions; offensive to morality and decency, causing uncontrolled sexual desire or lewdness, or abominable disgusting repulsive. I shall now take each of these definitions and explain how none of them work in this incident.

    Offensive to Morality or Decency: This is largely regarded as the main definition for obscene and it is probably the only thing people thing about when thinking of "obscene material". It does however have multiple flaws. Exactly what is morality and decency? The word morality in this case most often refers to the idea of what is right and what is wrong. This does not work however. Who exactly says what is right and what is wrong? How is right and wrong even determined? Right and wrong is generally made to be what is socially approved or disproved however as I've said this has many flaws. One example of this flaw was in Germany during World War II, the nazi's slaughtering all those people was socially accepted by their country and people. Likewise slavery was socially acceptable in various parts of the world. The idea of not having a slave back in the early 1800's in the United States was disapproved by society. The concepts of right and wrong are most often portrayed by whatever religion someone follows. However in such countries as the United States of America religion is supposed to be separate from the government. So how is right and wrong decided without what is socially acceptable or without religion? The general answer would be by our conscience however each person has a different conscience and way of thinking. I for example believe something is wrong only when it physically hurts myself or others. However certain things as we were taught when younger also determine what is good or bad however these can change overtime. So in the end what is deemed good or bad is different to each person so this definition to the obscene charge is quite invalid.

    Causing uncontrolled sexual desire or lewdness: Even if this were the real definition of obscene they mean to use it has flaws. The causing of uncontrolled sexual desire can be seen in three different ways all of which are completely absent from the posting of a loli link. In order for something to be uncontrolled sexual desire it must mean that their is absolutely no control and I am pretty sure the people masturbating to said pictures have plenty of control. They know what they are doing. Sexual desire in itself is not a bad thing and many people will even say masturbating is healthy. Masturbation though is a controlled sexual desire. One doesn't just all of a sudden masturbate for no reason (male or female) something triggers it. It is still controlled because one wouldn't masturbate on a train full of people would they (okay so some would)? The whole idea of uncontrolled sexual desire might be further called forth as in only being in a place of public decency (which as said above is different to each person). One could find pictures as causing a sexual desire and one could find real women in the real world as being triggers for a sexual desire do you really plan to arrest people because of that. Hell women or men that wear slightly (very slightly) revealing clothing or even if they were fully clothed could cause a sexual desire in a man or woman and based on this own definition they should be called obscene material. We are all animals we may be a different type of species but we are all animals and we all get sexual desires. I don't see people getting in trouble for having a dog that's in heat rub against someones leg, or for men and women in swimsuits that cause sexual desires. Another word for these sexual desires is lust and regardless we all have it.

    Abominable, Disgusting, Repulsive: Three words basically meaning the same thing that also can not be effectively used for the word obscene. What one finds abominable, disgusting, or repulsive is all according to oneself and no one else. Hell someone could find someone drinking milk or soda as obscene simply because they themselves find it disgusting. According to the rule of obscenity half of the world would be considered obscene to some. One may find the nudity of 2D children obscene, one may also find obscene the one who says that the naked 2D child is obscene and one could say the person who says that the person who finds the 2D child obscene is obscene. Simply by physical appearance half of the world could technically be called obscene through the use of the above definition. The other half could be called obscene through the mental state and the idea one has.

    In the end the word obscene is different to each person. What one person finds obscene the rest may not or vice versa. In the end their is no real way to determine what is "obscene" and it is simply a random group of people who have similar ideas that which to block out the principles and ideas of the others.

    Seriously though how did these people determine what is and what is not obscene. There is no real way to determine it and the sexual meanings for obscene are simply subjective. Hell just start cases where just about anything is obscene and argue a good case for it. Eventually they'll have to get rid of it altogether because they themselves will not be able to determine anymore what is and what is not obscene.

    Sorry for the above. I know I repeated a few things but it was to make a point. Regardless of whether it is 3D or 2D art of any form should not be illegal. I will fight for the freedom of expression and speech in all forms.

    Hail hentai!

    Comment by S_K
    20:08 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Moral subjectivity doesn't dismiss the notion of right and wrong. You walk down the street, and a madman tears your throat out. It's okay. He didn't think it was wrong. I don't think it was wrong (because I don't like your longwinded, poorly thought out post). No worries, right?

    There may not be an absolute objective right and wrong, but at the least, we need a functional model and it tends to be from the culturally relative. Why? Because it works for the majority of people, and it's a fair assumption to make that most people would consider child porn obscene.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:28 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    You fail at reading. And replying.

    Comment by S_K
    06:16 10/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Very astute, Anon. While thegirlguy... may have whatever validity in their distribution argument. He/she later rambles on to this...

    "Offensive to Morality or Decency: This is largely regarded as the main definition for obscene and it is probably the only thing people thing about when thinking of “obscene material”. It does however have multiple flaws. Exactly what is morality and decency? The word morality in this case most often refers to the idea of what is right and what is wrong."

    And in summation states this:

    "Seriously though how did these people determine what is and what is not obscene. There is no real way to determine it and the sexual meanings for obscene are simply subjective. Hell just start cases where just about anything is obscene and argue a good case for it. Eventually they’ll have to get rid of it altogether because they themselves will not be able to determine anymore what is and what is not obscene."

    Seems like someone is talking about moral subjectivity. Why, isn't that the word subjective right there?

    I'll state it again. Subjectivity does not dismiss the notion of right and wrong. Happiness, sadness, etc. are subjective states yet they are no less real. Right and wrong do exist even if they are defined on different levels by the individual, society, or biological imperative. While the denizens of this sight might exist in a little bubble where they feel it's okay to say loli is alright, don't lose sight of the fact that the rest of would look at this and think (justifiably) those people are fucked up.

    Comment by gunzaku
    18:19 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    i din't read what you wrote except the last 2 words. hail hentai indeed...

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:42 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The article beat the shit out of me but when I see it's just 3D lolicon not 2D then it has nothing to do with me anyway. =3=

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    Comment by Garvey
    16:47 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why do we only fix the bridge after somebody has fallen?

    Good luck fixing yours when 2d loli is cracked down upon. I'm going back to Redtube to wack off, laterz.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:47 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    so ur saying legalize 3d because u want 2d? god has sankaku reached a new low, are you actually endorsing the legalization of pedophilia? sure sounds like it.

    Comment by Just
    22:44 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is not a matter of child pornograhpy-.- The matter is that merely posting a link to illegal material makes you responsible for distributing it and i call that a grave injustice wether the 2 guys were actually pedophile or not

    Comment by thegirlguywhosaysheisagirl
    23:20 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Anonymous: I am endorsing nothing. I am merely pointing out how this entire process of charging someone for posting a link to supposedly objective material is a poorly constructive method. I do not endorse pedophilia but neither do I criticize something that people can't help. Time for another rant albeit this one is smaller.

    So if someone says that pedophilia is wrong and is sick if the person does nothing but openly admit to being a pedophile what right do we have to charge this person? It would be the same thing as a lolicon. Lolicons and pedophiles are not quite as different as you may think. What even makes one a pedophile a sexual desire for children. Well lolicons have a sexual desire for non-real children and yet they never actually harm anyone. I have no doubt that pedophiles that do nothing to garner attention do exist in this world. Pedophiles are also not just males but can be females as well as the definition of pedophilia is towards children not just young girls or young boys.

    One also has to take in account that the actual set age for pedophilia differs in each country. In the United States a pedophile is labeled anyone who has sex with someone under the age 18. In some countries in Europe the age limit is 16. Does that make everyone in Europe who has sex with someone at the age of 17 a pedophile? It would in the States but since they are in a different location it has a different meaning.

    I want to emphasize the fact that although I am saying this I am not endorsing anything merely pointing out certain situations and problems with these ideas and the methods in which the law is enacted.

    Thank you Just for actually understanding my whole spew. These people were arrested for merely posting a link. They could have been told to post the link by one of their friends for all we know. It could have been a joke. They could have been pedophiles. They might not have been pedophiles. These people were charged with distributing illegal material when the very nature of link means that you distribute nothing. Whether they were pedophile or not doesn't matter. It was indeed a grave injustice that these people would get in trouble for merely posting a link. This is a direct attack against people through use of the internet. If anyone has ever read 1864 the idea of big brother is slowly becoming a reality through the constant surveillance of the internet (let alone other things). This article is a simple example of how our freedoms (net and art/expression in this case) are being slowly stripped away. Considering we still don't know if this article is even about 2D or if (as I believe) it is about 3D we can't really see the full effect this arrest will have on the rest of the world. Regardless of what the situation actually is be it 2D or 3D this will effect everyone because soon it may be illegal to even talk about pron (3D or 2D).

    Hail hentai!

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:54 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    From the linked sourced article:
    海外の児童ポルノサイト = Foregin Child Porn site.

    The readers of this "news site" must be the most trolled people on the internet. Well, I'll admitt the hysteria is somewhat amusing.

    Comment by NeonShadows
    14:55 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I believe that you read this article, but did not comprehend the contents. Perhaps you should attempt a supplementary reading.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:47 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)


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    Comment by Titolion
    10:54 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    A-PR0N-CALYPSE NOW!!!!!!!

    Clean up your computers lolifans!!!

    Comment by anouwnx
    11:36 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)


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    Comment by sanimej2
    09:22 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's the end of the world as we know it...

    Comment by imhgtsukishiro
    09:24 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Goodbye Japanese freedom of expression. The world will miss you forever, for you are one of the many things that make life worth living for intelligible open-minded people

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:52 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    They were arrested for providing links to real kiddie porn.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:42 03/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    yeah. I don't care.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:00 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    2012 is approaching faster than expected lololololol.

    and i thought 2012 is when all the young people who got "opressed" by the old LOLiticians get the vote.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:02 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    here's the engrish version of the news...

    Address on the international child pornography, seized the 19-year-old student of Private Colleges and Universities

    July 8 3:08 Yomiuri minutes delivery

    Bulletin board on the Internet as the address of the overseas child pornography sites, employee of a pachinko parlor in Ginowan, Okinawa Prefecture Kanagawa Prefecture (37) The clerk of the city of Kagoshima and restaurants (37) man of the people, child prostitution violating the law against child pornography (public display) was found to have been arrested on suspicion.

    An investigator said. Asked for an alleged violation of the law on international child porn site address is the first in the nation. Police near the university, Chiba Nagareyama this forum opened a two-year-boy (19) Odawara Branch sent papers to the Yokohama District Public Prosecutors Office on suspicion of violating the law abetment.

    Seized on the cases of child porn site address in the past but, in the case of overseas sites, there was a specific publisher.

    Police in April, private organizations accept the report of illegal and harmful information on the Internet "Internet Hotline Center" (Tokyo) assistance. Center, and contact suppliers and get a domain name registration to the address on the net, and found a company in California, the U.S. publisher.

    An investigator said, the two men last month and in February this year, and to address child pornography in connection with about 11 overseas on a bulletin board, which read, too. 2 sin fines and violation of the law firm with 50 million yen.

    The boy in August last year, while knowing that your site address child pornography, police launched a bulletin board. They "did the crime," he said.

    Hisashi Sonoda甲南大Professor of Law Schools (Criminal Law) "was seized on the link to your site from harmful foreign national boards, there is a significance in terms alarmed," he said.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:18 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    It has begun...
    Either that or these poor guys are scapegoats so that they can keep unicef from causing a racket.

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    Comment by Onsokumaru
    10:16 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The internet is over. Everybody go home.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    17:08 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    When lolis are outlawed, only outlaws will be lolicon.

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    Comment by Koto-Chan
    17:36 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I see a coming rebellion

    Comment by Darkus
    11:53 10/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    make your sites in Brazil and be happy forever...
    here is almost a no law land... and the hosting is very cheap to outsiders....

    Comment by Distrance
    12:36 10/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I cant bother to read all of the comments but... Are we talking about real loli here, or like.. H-loli ? If the latter.. The world is coming to it's end D:. ( I'm sure you meant the latter but Ill have to make sure.. )

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    Comment by metatron
    13:41 10/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    the government fighting the internet...

    the internet will always win

    Comment by Nuula
    11:03 10/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ladies and gentlemen... its the end of the world as we know it... many lonley and boring nights are to come...

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:12 01/06/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    So basically knowing that there are page like youpr0n and red**** (add rest that is the same as googles videoplatform) and actually being so prude to write it down can net you a charge you would get in other countries for major theft, willfull destruction of ones goods, or beating people to a pulp?
    Sometimes I wonder why politicians - japanese ones first and foremost - aren't awarded the Darwin-Awards. They didn't have the grace to wipe themselves of the face of this planet but maybe it would be a motivation.
    After they would've done that let's blame it on the stupid censorshiprights and them being unsatisfied.

    Comment by Lurlerrr
    18:13 23/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    bullshit! in russia is very strict laws regarding underage porn! dont misinform people.

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    Comment by ZippyDSMlee
    13:26 12/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    If 3D chop them up and few them to the childrenz of the world, if they were 2D few them well and let them go.!

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    Comment by Ookami
    05:08 10/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah like Ice-nee-san said:
    - "Now begins a dark day for all lolicons D:" [2]
    But we have hope... at least the Porn Indutries are involved so... Agnes-chan 0 x 2 Lolicons!!!
    ALL HAIL LOLICONS!!!!!!!!! * Come to our side ........We have nice DLolisCakes and DFC*

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:23 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Woot.... wats the like xD

    Comment by Zeny
    19:29 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Russian laws are not liberal, it is illigal to post loli links, even normal pornography is illigal!!! But for violation you only get small fine 500 - 10 000 rubles (32 rubles = 1 $) if you only civil, not goverment employee. Hentai status is under qestion

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:04 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    in my country, enforcement practice of laws regarding internet are always derailed for questionable, gray-zone purpose.

    Japan is seriously GOING THE WRONG WAY. i might not be liking your lolies, but i'm with you in this crusade against anti-net-freedom retards.

    Comment by バカも一芸
    18:23 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'll be more worried if this turns out to be over 2D media, or when that inevitably happens. (Not that I'm into loli stuff, but it's a slippery slope from there to ALL 2D pron.)

    Arresting harmless internet 2D lolicons in Japan is kind of like arresting people for smoking marijuana where I live: Pretty soon, you're going to have to do everything yourself, because your wise and all-knowing government just put the entire low end of the working class in jail. Way to go!

    Then again, it's Japan. They would probably get around it by perfecting android technology to the point that they could handle most menial labor and retail jobs...

    ...which would then of course lead an enterprising few to make loli sex-bots.


    Comment by Shinx
    00:01 10/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wait ..

    Website set up by 2 teenager(19 yr old)!

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:34 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    To prevent misunderstandings: I'm against child porn and molestation. But:

    A 17 yr guy fucking a 14 yr girl = legal
    A 18 yr guy fucking a 15 yr girl = illegal

    17yr couple filming themselves = child porn
    18yr couple filming themselves = great watch

    Who can explain this in a way your brain doesn't start to rot?

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:05 10/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "A 17 yr guy fucking a 14 yr girl = legal"

    In places where 16's the AoC? Pretty sure that 17-yo would be in quite the fix.

    Or they're both charged with statutory rape on the other, minus the situations where "Romeo & Juliet" laws apply, which is hardly universal. It's happened plenty of times and will probably continue to do so. In some cases R&J won't null the entire case, just reduce it to a much more sane (lol @ secondary-school registered sex offenders, thank you, Megan's kidnapper!) penal level.

    Further, note that, as it is right now, at least some R&J laws don't cover same-sex liasons, leading to full-term statutory rape penalties to the older of the parties.

    I'm not sure about R&J laws interaction with age-of-legal-majority, though.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:35 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Japanese police arresting someone who isn't foreign!?! The sky is falling...

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    Comment by yaku
    09:08 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    None of them possessed any CP in their computers or otherwise (even though they must've known about the content in the links), right? this is getting out of hand, now you can't do shit in the internets.

    Why are even the people who own the site getting arrested? sometimes websites get so popular it's hard to keep up and comb every single thread, that's crazy.

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    Comment by Major Bukkake
    06:40 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    2D never hurt anybody. 3D Bukkake in the eye stings.

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    Comment by Bla7e
    07:21 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    You know from personal experience no? xD

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    Comment by Major Bukkake
    08:03 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    You just have to see the "Bukkake in the eye face" once to know.

    Comment by Fonzer
    21:50 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well it can make the user blind for quite some time and the salty stickyness probably stings the eye

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