Eroge Maker Minori: “Dirty Foreigners Get Off Our Site!”

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Visual novel production company Minori, noted for producing hits such as Ef, Wind and Eden, has responded to the reprehensible decision by Japanese politicians and eroge publishers to ban “rape” eroge by issuing an indiscriminate and nonsensical ban of its own: they have banned all non-Japanese IPs from viewing their site.

By the esoteric wonders of mod_geoip the crafty company has excluded the foreign eroge banning devils from their site completely, with a terse Engrish reminder that the world would be better off if the Japanese were not so spineless in response to foreign pressure:

minori official website.
This website cannot be browsed excluding Japan.

Some foreigners seem to be having an antipathy against EROGE.
Therefore, We prohibited the access from foreign countries, to defend our culture.
Sorry for you of the fan that lives in a foreign country.

minori Inc.

The completely redundant screenshot of same:

minori-barbarian-version

Their normal site looks something like this, admittedly not much of an improvement:

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It is questionable whether there is any point or practical effectiveness to any of this, as anyone can easily access the Japanese version of the site by way of a free proxy service, be they disappointed barbarian fans or Japan bashing feminists looking for a soft target.

More pointedly, the company in question seems to have forgotten that it was the Japanese mass media who publicised the story, Japanese politicians who pressed for a ban, and their own industry group who cravenly acceded to these demands

Blaming all non-Japanese for the actions of a minor American busybody feminist group seems more an exercise in xenophobia than a logical appraisal of just who is really at fault here.

It would appear that some in Japan do indeed need to “learn to say ‘no’” to both the world and their own wretched politicians and cowardly businessmen.

Thanks to ステク for the tip.


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    Comment by FlameGod
    05:19 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    just wondering are all this people that comment here (fuel the fire baby type of comment) really playing eroge vn Hgame?

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    Comment by Miroku74
    05:37 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, I for one am an eroge player. So my rage isn't just for show.

    Comment by T1
    05:41 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Same here....though it's been some time since I played a new game. Still playing Eushullys latest game :3

    ...and i'm not raging, I'm just being logical XP

    Comment by Fonzer
    05:43 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Also an eroge player.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:57 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    @fonzer you're???

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:28 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Really. Feminists really has nothing better to do that's why they try to deal with the little insignificant things like this? Can feminists stop the the economic downfall? No. Can feminists cure AH1N1? No. Can feminists stop North Korea's nuclear powered stupidity... Let me guess... NO! With all the crazy things that's happening to the world right now, they believe starting with the small things that don't really matter thinking that they made a non existent difference making them feel better about themselves. They're just a bunch of egotistic narcissists that are only filled with foolish ideals. Women's rights? Sure go ahead for all I care. Rights of two dimensional non existent beings brought out by imagination? You make me laugh.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:58 28/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm a female and other females claiming eroge should be banned make me super angry.
    YOU CAN TAKE AWAY EVERYTHING I HAVE, BUT YOU NEVER, EVER TAKE MY PORN AWAY.

    Comment by Cerenado
    04:24 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    hahaha what's this? Are they any Chinese executives running their company by any chance too? :3

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:47 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    BTW, if a group of US feminists started this, why didn't they ban only US IPs instead of every non-JP IPs?

    Is it because to Japan, US IS the rest of the world?

    Comment by Fonzer
    05:04 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nah i think japan only stuff wants to keep for japan only there.

    The xenophobia just increased.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:40 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Then they should stop using the TLD ".ph" for Jesus H. Christ's sake if their level of xenophobia has increased. D:

    Comment by Y0k41
    04:48 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I feel I would've done the same thing as them, if I didn't stop and think about it. I mean, my first impression about eroge being restricted was that some group of middle aged women in the U.S. complained about it, causing the bans. But yea it can't possibly be that simple....but I guess they're mostly expressing themselves by responding like this.

    Comment by FlameGod
    05:07 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Reading all the comment here so basically some foreign otaku against against some japanese otaku now?

    Hmm I need some enlightment here since I'm always skeptic about this ban thing. In the short period will it be effective? -yes- then how about long one? is it really possible to keep an eye on each one of them?

    How do you do that? just reading the description? or by actively playing each one of them? if that's the case then I'm joining this whatever group checking them since I could played for free and as many as I could (^_^)

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    Comment by Lazydabear
    12:41 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Its more like Foreign Otaku 1 vs Foreign Otaku 2 one likes Ero-games the other likes Massively multiplayer online role-playing games.

    If you combine a Ero-game with a Massively multiplayer online role-playing game whats going to happen next?

    Comment by RG
    04:54 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm really disappointed with that...It looks like a xenophobic attack *Sarcastic tone*

    Comment by FAG
    08:09 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    fucking feminist gaijin, they dont have any right to fuck with other cultures

    Comment by Max
    07:19 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    In truth I believe this all started with the h game rapelay was put in the newspaper (forgot about why) a while back, then feminists that have alot of time saw this banded together and went to the politician an so the politicians don't lose the support of the people they went again all these themes getting banned, but really why was nekkomimi getting banned?

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    Comment by ajnac
    08:31 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    dammit, I wanna play that eden* new visual novel by minori. argghhh! hey, thanks for the proxy link. was able to browse minori website! n_____n

    Comment by nanashi
    09:01 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is a good trial. All eroge companies should do that to protect games.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:50 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    because feminists know the name of japanese eroge manufactures or even their web adresses...?

    id really like to know if there were even any non-japanese people browsing on that site. i think this hits mostly japanese people living outside japan.
    but well... i dont care, if your games arent meant to be bought by us, you wont mind us pirating them... most do so anyway.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:08 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    What the fuck am I supposed to do now without my rape game outlet!?

    Comment by Mike
    06:16 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wonder what will happen if 4chan gets a hold of this lol

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    Comment by Shuu
    06:52 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nothing will happen. 4chan has no power in Japan. Well, they could do something about the feminists in the U S of A (doubtful), but it's too late for that to have any impact on the situation in Japan by now.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:27 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Like 4chan was a powerful netjustice "entity", anyway.

    We, Sankaku users, having the right mindset and uniting ourselves, are much more powerful than any bored 4chan users would ever be.

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    Comment by Miroku74
    13:06 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think we're better off letting the members of 2chan try and sort out this mess at their end. Although, considering that they aren't as affected by this ban against selling eroge to foreign consumers, I'm not too sure any of them'll be bothered enough to protest....

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    Comment by Ukonkivi
    06:19 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Them blaming foreigners makes about as much sense as us blaming EVERY single one of these recent bans on the feminists and this Equality Now group as representative of all feminists.

    Lovely to see that's it's not only this site suffering from wrong finger pointing and baseless grouping of a diverse group of people.

    I honestly don't blame this Minori group for being angry enough to call us "dirty foreigners".

    But I believe both the mistrust of feminists and foreigners is equally uncalled for, though.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:55 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    How is the blame on the FUCKING FEMINISTS uncalled for!?

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    Comment by Loli Star
    10:41 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    In other words you support Feminazi's?
    You don't sound like your on our side.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:25 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I know, not being a mindless one among the masses and having a personal view and opinion on the matter is totally uncalled for!

    Where is all the ignorant illogical hate against the feminists devil? I mean, you know everything is the fault of feminism and feminists. And we must kill them and anyone who doesn't think like that.

    Comment by —-
    00:57 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think they should be banning access to Japan instead of foreigners. Most "barbarian" first-world countries (especially the US) have this thing called "Freedom of Speech", a concept that seems to be unheard of in Nippon. Nobody in America forces porn-makers to blur or pixelate their work.

    If the Japanese ero industry prides itself of its "culture", it shouldn't give a fuck about what other countries think of them; they should get rid of outdated moralist ideas influenced on them by Westerners, and stick it to Japanese authorities if they don't like it. If all of that gets sanctioned, they should produce all uncensored pornography there underground or via internet websites not monitored by their government. Let's see if Japan likes to lose a huge chunk of its revenue for being a meticulous bitch regarding genitalia.

    I'm fucking tired of all this political incongruence.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:51 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Nobody in America forces porn-makers to blur or pixelate their work."

    No, the people in America try to force Japan to ban all of the work entirety.

    There are laws in the US designed to (unconstitutionally in my opinion) get around the First Amendment by banning 'obscene' material. Of course, what's "obscene" for one person isn't always for another, so you get publishers censoring a lot of stuff to cover their asses. And you have readers/watchers having to guess what the local 'community standards' might be when they decide to read or watch something. Because, for some reason, the 'community' has a right to control what an adult reads or watches in the privacy of their own homes. That's one reason US adult movies are so tame and bland in comparison to Japanese adult movies.

    Besides the direct laws that get things censored in the US (either by direct laws or by overcautious companies afraid of the vague laws), you also have people pressuring companies who might produce various kinds of adult material into not publishing it by terrorizing them with public harassment and going after related companies in efforts to get things banned.

    They also try to discourage people reading/watching adult material by demonizing it and the people who read it.

    For a long time the US also made adult material harder to buy by restricting where it could be sold usually under the lie "We must protect the children!" Having to go to some sleazy store or a bad part of town to get adult material helps minimize sales.

    The internet has changed all that and that's why the prudish immoral minority is running around trying to terrorize anyone who dares produce or consume anything their tiny little minds can't tolerate others reading/watching.

    While I hate the genital blurring/censoring imposed in Japan (and also feel it is against the Japanese constitution, as well), don't think that the US is some safe haven for uncensored material. Censorship is alive and well in the US, they're just more sneaky about how they do it.

    They don't want to look like hypocrites by doing something like China/Australia does with large internet filters, so they try to get the material banned at the source.

    For instance: In the US it's legal to take/have nude photos of children as long as there is no sexual activity or poses (which, of course, is also a very vague notion that is open to wide interpretation). But the US has pressured Japan and other countries to ban simple artistic nudity that they haven't (yet) been able to ban constitutionally in the US. In the US, they apply pressure on stores that might sell such legal material to try and limit where it can be sold.

    So no direct legal ban of simple nudity, but that doesn't stop them from getting it 'banned' by applying pressure on the companies that produce art books and the stores that would want to sell them. And at the same time, applying pressure to other countries to ban stuff that the US constitution would (and SHOULD) protect in the US.

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    Comment by Lazydabear
    00:49 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    So they feel offend by the fact Sankaku was mistranslating the news but it seems to work in there favor it doesn't stop them from what they do on thi website your only feeding there need to report as they see it.

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    Comment by Artefact

    We never mistranslated anything. I want to see evidence of this.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:07 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Dirty foreigners"などと、中傷的な言い方は誰も書いていない。少しは反省しろ。

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    Comment by Lazydabear
    06:20 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think he ment defamatory expression...

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    Comment by Artefact

    It's called a paraphrase.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:30 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%91%E3%83%A9%E3%83%95%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/パラフレーズ]

    You're welcome.

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    Comment by Lazydabear
    01:58 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Artefact I didn't mean to say it in that way and I am not accusing any of the staff members for mistranslation of Japanese news content. I am very sorry if I did say that out of context. All I am saying is that it doesn't stop you from reporting it, just like it won't stop ero-game makers from creating games so they feel so offended by foreigners and Websites that report there content why is it making them money?

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:11 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    and i'm sure the reason they're doing this is because (as the feminists claim) japan is the country with the most rapes per year. of course, if you exclude canada, australia, the u.s., sweden, the u.k., france, south korea, germany, russia, and taiwan.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:20 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I lived in japan for 2 years and I can say hand on heart that japan is a xenophobic, borderline racist country that doesn't want foreigners there.

    You can't even pay for a fucking blowjob in japan without being told that you're a dirty disease carrying gaijin and are not allowed to enter.

    It's time you japophiles wake up to the racist country that japan is and develop better hobbies than masturbating to lolicon porn

    Comment by D4RK-PH0ENiX
    04:19 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'd get xenophobic and racist too if there were people who want to teach me how to live, tell me what to do and force me their ideas and beliefs like US and other nations try to do to Japan. of course, that's the minority which holds the power that threatens the japanes. "but hey - the commoners who come to Japan are not involved" you'd say. here's the problem - the commoners let their politicians to bash and blame the japanese for their culture, habits, way of being and try to teach them "how is the right way to be".

    it's a rage message - but you get my idea, I hope.

    P.S. minority was always the terrorizing part and the majority the suffering from this terror.

    Comment by T1
    05:50 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    errrr...wtf???
    You are saying it like there's no foreigners in any other countries, lol.
    Come to Denmark and I'll show you how many there are. Sticking to your ways of life isn't stupid even if it looks stupid in the ignorants eyes. You keep it from you just as you do with the flies trying to stick to you.
    If they can't get pass that they got some serius issues, just like the racists you meet outside who keeps blaming the foreigners for taking their jobs and their girls. Today foreigners, tomorrw the msuic, movies, clothes....oh someone said nazigermany or taliban?

    PS: and I agree with you, it's always the majority that suffers but only because we allow them to affect us to make the majority suffer.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:46 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Japan is xenophobic and racist even BEFORE the whole feminazi shit happend.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:38 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Stop reading Debito and thinking all you see there is xenophobia.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:26 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    borderline racist? i guess you didn't live there long enough. its way past the borderline.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:55 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    You have never lived there. Both of you.

    Unless you think anything minimally bad against foreigners by the Japanese elite is what represents the Japanese people as a whole...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUMoHv4Ac-8

    This is the best video so far about the topic.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:32 26/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes.

    But besides the Chinese, Russians and Koreans, we can say the media and government play a big part in the creation of discrimination. There was virtually no discrimination against Brazilians in the 80's. Exaggerating foreign crime is the worse thing that can be done to help the gaikokujin image...

    Chinese and Koreans are a more complicated issue, as I'm sure you know. Besides thousands of years of common history, conflicts, etc, Zainichi Koreans generally choose not to integrate within Japanese society, as do most Chinese. Few consider themselves Japanese for having being born there. The parents are to blame, in this case (too). Of course, this is not an excuse for discrimination. But for the common ignorant masses, it will be enough (plus the thousand of years of stereotypes, diplomatic conflicts, relations, etc).

    Discrimination against those of S.E. Asian origin is another case of cultural Imperialism, and then again, the media, common stereotypes about these countries, and these countries situations play a big role in the creation of this form of discrimination. But this type is common all around the world.

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    Comment by Artefact

    Japanese attitudes to white westerners are quite different to the general attitudes to Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, Russians, S.E. Asians, Brazilians, etc. In these cases it is fair to say the attitude is generally one of unqualified racism and suspicion.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:04 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't think the Japanese are racist. Any time you're in a foreign country, you will get some people who are curious, some who are friendly, some who avoid you, and some who stare and kids who point (if you look conspicuously foreign), and some who make comments based on stereotypes they heard. These are little things, and nothing to worry about.

    I wonder if the people who say they find Japan racist are white people who have only ever previously lived in a white-majority country where they speak the native language?

    Comment by T1
    03:37 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol true but the best thing about it is that they see themself as a country being totally open to the foreigners, get pissed off this quick and start justifying how this move is total justice while they in their heads and hearts knows it's wrong.

    DID GUNDAM SEED TEACH YOU NOTHING???!!! Atleast understand the messages in your manga and anime, dammit.

    /me facepalms

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:44 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    日本が差別主義者の国だっていって
    日本が嫌なんだったら、なんで日本のアニメ見てんだよ?頭おかしいんじゃねーの?
    お前らの国は、さぞかし素晴らしいんだろうな

    Comment by T1
    05:39 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sorry, I don't speak japanese well enough to read kanjis. Give me two years if no one translates this.^^

    I'm going to learn japanese this august though but I know english, german, french, danish, swedish, norwaigen, hindi, punjabi, urdu, a little bit of arabic and turkey so if you know any of those langauges be welcome to write in that. (I'm danish by the way, we learn more than one language to know how to communicate with the world. I bet you learn more than one language in japan too but you don't want to use it^^ Thats also an example of being a closed country)

    Ehem... after getting a cute nice japanese girl (no not a japanese traitor mind you)translate for me, I got this:
    "You're calling Japan an advocate of discrimination, and
    Why are you watching Japanese anime if you don't like Japan?Is your head strange? is it?
    Your country must be really amazing"

    First my head is fine, why thank you. I will not go down to your level and start calling you names.^^

    Funny thing is that you get all defensive when someone start saying how your country is. Have you ever thought about how we feel when you do the same? Have you ever thought how offensive we think you(and Minori and your hostility when we visit japan) are when you blame us forsomething thats totally random?
    This case is just one of many, if you want me to start on it trust me I can keep going the whole night while you will end up going; Then don't watch it (oh wait you did that already).

    I watch anime because I find them interesting. They do what you don't do; stop giving others the blame and take it themself when they are wrong. Learn from it!
    I find them giving me ideas and learn a bit more about japanese culture. I like the songs sung by the artists cuz they are good even some of the lyrics. I like the plots, the humour and the char development in some of them. I like it how someone got the fantasy to makethem and the mangakas/producers messages to the world.

    My country isn't the best in the world and we pay like 48.7% tax as being the ones who pay most in the world. BUT we get free education, free medical help and social help. Oh, and we do not get stupidity that makes us ban the whole worlds IP except our own.^^ and then try to justify if that some women from USA made fun of us and we are now hurt and that is why we are taking revenge on the whole world.

    I hope you do know that this is a perfect step to go back to the old japan, the new north korea, iran or any other closed countries. PLUS at the moment it's a little deal but the more you do stuff like this the more you will get famous in the whole world for the censoring you are starting to do from now on.

    By the way, since you ppl don't like USA and the rest of the world; stop buying our CDs, movies, branded clothes, computers with our chips, etcetc. Lets be fair

    /me facepalms again

    Oh and next time you tell me I'm an weird/strange/idiot/stupid I'll go totally at you, not being this nice. Kind of like how you people are in 2ch.^^

    PS: Stop using babelfish to translate it sux, start talking english, like the rest of the world. Heck engrish is okay too.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:36 25/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Japanese people are not xenophobic. There is even little prejudice (at least against Westerners). Maybe the Japanese government (LDP - Liberal Democratic Party/自由民主党) and the conservative media is, but not the people. Most of the prejudice Westerners face in Japan is near American bases, and no one can say it is undeserved.

    Don't insult the Japanese people if you have never lived there...

    That all said, I'm not trying to make it sound like Japan is the perfect place, with everyone acting perfectly to immigrants and foreigners. But let's give what its rightfully theirs: The PEOPLE, the ones you see, talk everyday are hardly xenophobic. They are one of the friendliest in Asia.

    (すみません, 日本人. 私の日本語は下手です. Or I else I would have written the whole post in Japanese too).

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:21 27/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    After all, a couple of underground Japanese otaku -- probably angry 2ch hikikomori fags -- represents perfectly most of the Japanese people. A perfectly logical supposition.

    Minori did wrong, but that's beside the point. Two wrongs don't make a right. One wrong doesn't justify commiting another. Etc.

    Comment by T1
    02:09 27/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    LOL yeah asia but japan isn't the whole asia (thank god).

    You are saying that we should not insult the japanese people if we don't live there? What's with that? Doesn't that go for us too or are the japanese the only special ones?

    When you get the sentence "It's sad for you but it's also sad for Minori, so you just deal with it and stop ruining the otaku community"...don't you find that insulting? I mean it was Minori who took the action, it was some japanese otakus who wrote that shit...what is there not to get?

    You can keep telling me that they aren't xenophobic but when you get one dude saying they aren't and 3-4 other only talking in japanese and insulting...I prefer to listen to the majority and decide how they are. Though it may be different how japan sees the world: A few feminists screaming a little bit, the wholwe world is against us, lets ban their IP and then get our people to tell them that they deserve it.

    I don't care about the americans but when someone insult me and tell me I deserve it cuz of some americans then I'm part of the world, then I sure as hell call it xenophobic or being totally simpleminded, you decide.

    You can keep coming back and tell us how they aren't xenophobic but notice this: Not one japanese has said the truth: Minori did wrong. They should not punish you for that. It's unfair towards you and we support you so hang in there.

    WHY? cuz they fucking don't believe in it! for them it's right to do actions like that. If we do the same then the japanese would be screaming words like "racist" at us.

    (To can lege den leg, yes I know other languages too..but you are still the only japanese writing in english while the rest wrote in japanese)

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:31 26/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Okay, okay, I know you are sooooooooo smart. Though you look arrogant as scaning above your messages. You're danish? ..um..pity...but stil it is my favorite country to live^^

    Comment by T1
    02:11 27/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    It got nothing to do about being smart or arrgogant. It's about being stepped on by a company and then getting the japanese people to tell you that they did the right thing by stepping on you.












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