The recent reports of an “eroge ban” in Japan appear by all accounts to have been (almost) entirely fabricated by the mass media, presumably a consequence of wishful thinking.
The previous version of events was that the industry group EOCS had opted to ban the manufacture and sale of “rape eroge”, which was portrayed as a complete ban, though it would only have affected members of that organisation.
This report was carried by major broadcaster TBS (above). However, no other news agencies carried the story (though there were many derivative reports), and a number anonymous commenters subsequently provided supposed insider details directly contradicting the story:
According to the EOCS:
1. They received some enquiries from TBS about Rapelay a little while ago.
2. They agreed to participate, but TBS broadcast its material edited in a way not agreed to.
3. Another request for information came.
4. Because of what happened earlier, they were refused.
5. Yesterday the broadcast came out of nowhere.
Detailed information is apparently due to be available on the 2nd of June.
In summary, it seems the EOCS is set to meet to discuss a ban or some restrictions, but no firm actions have been decided.
It should be said of course that no official word from the EOCS is yet forthcomiong.
It seems possible that all this may actually work against those hoping for a ban, since the strong reaction against the supposed ban may illustrate to the EOCS the wisdom of resisting any depredations by censorship groups.
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Officials: Ok we will make every eroge to be produced in within 500,000 copies.
(1month later)
Feminists: Not enough!! Our sisters are being raped!
Officials: Ok we make it 200,000 copies.
(1month later)
Feminists: Still not enough!! Our sisters are still being abused!!
Official: Ok we make it 100,000 copies
…
(1 year later)
Feminists: ……just do it.
Official: We now make it 1 copy for each eroge.
Feminists can suck it. I hope they unban the ergoe and their group is disbanded, causing them to find jobs that are totally against their beliefs.
You people are optimistic.
You should indeed know that there is discrimination against eroge at all time in japan.
No matter the news is true or not, you should start thinking how to not let crazy feminists proceed their evil plan.
If you continue to be like this, one day you will suddenly see a news topic "Eroge totally banned in Japan", without knowing why this happened.
Could you, by any chance, be Japanese yourself? I've been wondering since I read your comments on the other ban article.
Maybe he's warning us that there won't be any support from Japan and since this group comes from America (a powerful country) it'll be easy for them to impose their ideals on other countries.
@CanadaMann:
I meant ethnicity, actually. But if you're an immigrant, that counts too I guess.
There's not a whole lot most of us can do, unfortunately. I don't live in Japan and have no friends in the eroge industry or any influential political sphere in Japan. And most of us would rather not publicly support keeping stuff like rape eroge legal for obvious reasons, even if we think it should be protected.
I don't know, maybe a letter-writing campaign?
>Shuu
You mean, immigration?
>Yaku
I meant, that Otaku should be alarmed that their hobby(eroge) is really lack of protection, is really fragile in a political fight.
Feminists are now trying their best to destroy eroge industry. They have the Japanese officials' support and now they got US's support.
What I meant support, is organizations, political support, famous scholars.
Now eroge industry can be a DOG, and feminists are a WOLF.
If you otakus keep to be optimistic, the WOLF will soon grow into a TIGER, or even a DINOSAUR. And then, you will have no resistance and eroge industry will be totally destroyed.
Dinosaurs got extinct.
It's true, this feminist group has the political power to be able to oppress without much fuss.
I'm not well informed about what we could do, but I do agree with you that we should stop being so optimistic.
There was a site called eroge.com which was up very briefly; it was supposed to organize resistance against this eroge ban. But now they took it down saying that it's not necessary.
I think they're being too optimistic. Even if there isn't a ban now, there may be one in the future, and we need to be prepared for it.
That's right. International organizations with misguided ideas won't back down. Honestly, it might be more effective for those working against a ban to call out groups like UNICEF and Equality Now and ask them why they aren't instead directing more of their efforts towards curtailing female circumcision, or child marriage, or, you know, real-life rape, since they obviously have some spare time and resources.
Immigrant to Japan is very difficult.
However westerners are always welcome to get a permanent resident identity in Japan.
About ethnicity, I dont think you can change it....
You do not have to be IN JAPAN or BEING A JAPANESE to support eroge industry.
Since there were no historical record of a protest about eroge, the mass media will get heated up if some of you organise one.
And, if some of you are a scientist or famous figure, it would be great for you to publicly support eroge.
There are many "sex workers" protesting for their rights.
In here Vancouver, there were some prostitudes protesting to get legalized.
If you say you have "obvious reasons" that make you unable to publicly support it, then I should say, I have overestmated you.
You should have leanrt out something from Gurren Lagann or OnePiece.
I don't know if the EOCS will listen to us gaijin, but for what it's worth here's the EOCS contact page with their email address:
http://www.sofurin.org/htm/about/contact.htm
info@sofurin.org
If you can understand Japanese, there's also a web form to submit messages instead:
http://www.sofurin.org/htm/about/form/general.htm
We might not be able to make much of a difference, but let EOCS know that there are overseas gamers who support them and eroge, and do not want any more censorship.
The ultimate trolls. Fags.
YES!!! Long live all eroge! (even the ones I don't particularly like)
Eroge must always survive.
So what... I don't care about this. I'm not the Otaku. lol
Yeah, being an idiot is enough for now.
I see more people apply insults to those Feminists, than those who truely discuss it.
Have you people being affected by those women, to be more emotional rather than rational?
What we need to fight these unfair bans, is not "WTF, damn", but something scientific and something solid.
We should take action, rather than chattering.
It shows how ignorant some activists groups can be, especially when they try to socially engineer our lives. "Rape games will influence you into rape" without any hard numbers all this shows is a general distrust in the population.
You can only judge others based upon yourself. I know that no matter how many rape scenes i see in a game or movie i will not rape someone in real life. Evidently these groups trust no one but the people that support their organisation.No law should be made based on distrust, unless you want a system where you are guilty until proven innocent.
I've been in recent debate with someone that could very well be part of this group. For this person it's about discrimination of women, and how media depicting rape is misogynistic.
Some people argue that rape games normalize rape in society, just as violent movies/games normalize violence and murder.
I think bollocks, since I don't feel any more violent than I am after watching all these violence and raping.
Discrimination and hate speech is outlawed because they have a proven history of creating real-world harm. When white people discriminate and use hate speech against black people, it is almost always followed with real acts of harm.
Rape games don't have that historical evidence. The only people who really play rape games are otaku recluses. When otaku play rape games, real acts of rape do not immediately increase. In fact, most rapists are the kind of people who don't even play any eroge, much less the even smaller sub-genre of rape games.
Discrimination can truly lead to harm, but this game is not going all out to get known in large communities and disturb them. Games are only accessible if a person decides to buy them, so they can spare themselves of them.
That's true, eroge doesn't have any support in Japan.
Personally I'm not worried about the games per se, but about how these will affect freedom of speech. I understand if they put a rating and made it hard to access for the public, but outright banning is not good.
^ Which is pretty ironic, if you think about it.
Canada speaks the truth.
You all see the point but you are acting nothing.
If you continue to think "they won't really ban eroge", you will finally get a REAL BAN.
Eroge has rape themes and Video games have murder themes(Assassin's creed, GTA)
However, Videogames have strong support in Europe and US.
And Eroge DONT HAVE ANY SUPPORT in Japan.
Continue to have chatters and you will never see any eroge in the future.
This banning process may take some years, but after that you will have no games to play.
Western society is afraid of sex. Read some Foucault. Ally that fear with a criminalized form of sex. There you have it.
Come on, just remember de "Hot Coffee" controversy of GTA: SA. And that was just sex.
Anyway, I think the discussions are useless. They can only apply their own point of view into the matter (like some on our side). We must act.
LOL you fell prey to the rumor!
If it turns out these motherfuckers were trolling I am going to visit them personally and they will not enjoy that. Come on, EOCS, do the right thing and keep them and us coming! (Keep us cumming? Oh ho ho~)
some one should make a law to stop people from Bitching too much!
its the same thing as guns don't kill people, people kill people.
I feel like something terrible is going to happen if the ban goes through...
Looks like the Japanese media is learning from American media on ways to create a hoax out of wishful thinking.
*giga facepalm*
what are the chances of the organization members be actually be the ones making dark games (mink such and such) i mean.... looking at numbers this is the first time i have ever heard of EOCS
which would basically mean is yes they are banning rape games BUT NOT ALL since were just talking about 1 organization and its members not the entire industry
which i fiendishly forgot that its going to the legislation and that those talk will apparently be through voting whether or not they will stop making them so if they dont pass the vote we will still see them
The more bans they are the more people will do or use it. lolz
Japan?? Japan's never going to be deterred by anyone to stop making the craziest and hottest things I've seen in my life. No organization could make japan stop doing it's stuff. Not the media, not the law and no less, the government could make them stop.
How else would they say hello?
So TBS is like the FOX News of Japan?
Nice
If it is, then what is Kadokawa?
WTF is that FUCKING ZUN?
YES
I'm starting to wonder if the ultimate goal of all this "ban the fiction to help the cause" hysteria is simple exposure.
Perhaps these political groups calling for bans just want to milk mainstream media's predisposition to give crazy attention to video game violence/simulation/etc. topics, so that their name and cause gets more public attention?
Are we simply being used as a vehicle to help focus attention on feminist groups, japan's political scene, and so forth?
You have to admit it's pretty hard to make whatever cause one stands for receive public attention...
(real) Rape = bad
Bad = Away from me hurr durr
Rape games = played by otaku
Mass japanese media = otaku are the blame for everything wrong in this country
Foreigners feminazis = Nooo, Dai-Nippon can't have its great image affected to the whole world because of the otaku!
Opportunity by the media to crush otaku with mass hysteria, Japanese public fear/hate of otaku, plus Japanese pride/shame/honor/image values and concepts = What is happening now
By foreigners feminazis I meant as in "the reaction they cause".
Not a native speaker, btw.
your an amerifag right?
Hey........Rapelay is a good game! It's even better with Tenga.
It's not like the partyv& is coming to catch me playing Rapelay isn't it?
How does that picture of Big Ben fit into the story?
"Westerners think all the Japanese are basement otaku who sleeps with dakimakura because of rapelay!!"
..... and "the British parliament denounced the game Rapelay" (where it all started).
Sleeping with dakimakura is hardly rape.
Actually it is! Imagine how painful for those girls made of fabrics and cotton wool to be humped by their owners every night!!!
Don't forget it's also slavery. They have >owners<.
What a load of b@#l s#iT!