Jackie Chan: “Taiwan & Hong Kong are Too Free”

Well as a chinese not from either places, me and most of the people where I live still see Taiwan as Taiwan and China as China. okay that is kind of out of topic but seriously if mr anon mentioned that China had helped Taiwan before, I do ask for some related articles or perhaps evidence to support your opinion?

Quebec in Canada is different. If I remembered right, they voted and there were more votes for staying in Confederation than to become independent. Plus, Quebec is still part of Canada; they voted for the federal election (and no, not all the seatings in Quebec went to the Bloc Quebecois... the number of Bloc MP's actually decreased... yes, I was quite interested in the federal election and watched the live poll results). They are currently under the administration of the federal government, and share the same currency with the rest of Canada. Sure, they have a completely different culture, but they are still part of Canada.

I don't see China exerting any control over Taiwan as of the moment. Nor do Taiwan participate in any of the CPC stuff that is happening. And I have also never heard the government explicitly state that Taiwan is part of China (President Ma might've hinted at it, but he is only saying that to keep the Mainland people happy; if he had outright stated Taiwan is part of China, he would've been booted out of office). And for your information, the majority of Taiwanese people prefer the status quo more than either independence or unification.

As for the anon who mentioned the "useless racial melodrama," if you don't appreciate it, don't come in here. Nobody cares if you care about this issue or not. If you don't want to hear what's happening in here, don't come to the article.

ROFL you got rejected at the airport. Yea that's just some of the stuff that Taiwan does in order to "distinguish" themselves from China. Sadly Taiwan still is a part of China. The Taiwanese government recognizes this and admits to it on several occasions on the news but they are desperately trying to break off. It's quite sad that they can't coexist like Canada and Quebec. China has threatened on many occasions to start a war the minute Taiwan officially trys to seperate even if they have U.S support.

LOL @ "real visa"

True though; if you have the proper visa, there's no reason for them to reject you. I mean, it was all in the news wasn't it? The 陸客 stuff. Very big hype.

Jesus, does Sankaku have a "filter out useless racial melodrama comments function"? I think that's what they should program next.

Shit, I'm Chinese and i know an ass-load of other Chinese / Japanese / Korean and Taiwanese people. China has a communist government get over it, posting isn't gonna make it better and quite frankly no-one here cares to listen.

This entire blog post was a waste of space that could've been used to inform us about something we cared about.

From what I've heard and learned, Taiwan was "returned" to China after WWII and the Japanese were driven back to Japan. The government in charge of the time was the ROC. Then, the Chinese Civil War too place, and the CPC defeated the ROC in the Mainland and the ROC was forced to retreat to the island of Taiwan. Until then, not a lot of attention was paid to the island. After the ROC took refuge there, they fortified themselves there and tried to "take back" the mainland while preventing the CPC from taking over Taiwan, 金門 and 媽祖. Especially 金門. The war lasted for decades until it finally died down, and the two sides are at a "stalemate" (though the CPC could easily overpower the ROC right now, due to the pressure from US, they do not desire to stir up unwanted conflict).

So, technically, in the doctrine of the ROC, the government is the "rightful ruler" of the Mainland, including Mongolia and Taiwan. However, most of the Taiwanese people who reside in Taiwan don't believe in that. The enjoy the status quo better than the alternatives.

On the records for CPC though, it may be that Taiwan is (and always had been) a province of China. The same applies to the traditional beliefs of the ROC. But in reality, it is more of just an island controlled by the ROC, and that is the Taiwan of today.

Please point out where I am wrong.

@ Basilio - it looks to me like you are heavily under the media influence. If you actually took the time to understand some of the history between China and Taiwan, maybe you would also understand that Taiwan is in fact officially a province under China. Yes, Taiwanese deny it and falsify their union. That is why we get all of these immature retards who don't do any research and just randomly take sides. You on the other hand seem to know quite a bit so I suggest you do some further research. Up until now, Taiwan has been unable to officially separate from the mainland.

@ the anon - No Taiwan fully denies being a part of China. But you are right about the war. The only reason China is allowing Taiwan to do as they please without going into war with them is in fact because the Taiwanese have the support of the Americans. China does not want unnecessary conflicts against the U.S.

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get a real visa and travel with 14 other people

Too bad it's not up to you to decide.

China can take Taiwan after getting past the the USN CSG.

Good luck with that.

there's two Chinas: the People's Republic and the Republic, ok? reunification over my dead body.

Yeah it's funny that the immigration officer at Taipei Airport refused my entry to 'the province' on the ground that my visa issued by the Chinese Government (the one that hold a seat in the UN security Council) is 'nonsense'. I argued with him that Taiwan is part of China, and the legitimate Chinese Govt. gives me a visa to visit China, and I was sent back on the plane......

Thats the good part about reality, retards don't get to press the "do not press button", most of the time at least... with one or two occasions when the majority of the nation goes retarded...(e.g. Bush)

You can believe what you want, we will believe what we want.

if china actually believes that Taiwan is part of china, I wonder why they never helped out in any natural disaster in Taiwan.. 921 earthquake, typhoons, etc

Taiwan will always be an independent nation, its the Peoples Republic of China that is the infidels who dared seperate from the great nationalistic government to take up disgusting communism.

Ahhh, so true.

You said: they never helped out in any natural disaster in Taiwan.
well, that means some kind of information blockade happened in your country too... The mainland government did have some actions to help taiwan out, not only from natural disasters, but also from economic crisis or something else.
But in some case, the leader of taiwan denied the help of mainland, what a multi-party system.

Chinese people have no right to live anyways.

Taiwan won't be Mainland China's until China buys the island. Sad thing is the Taiwan gov't probably would sell it to them.

hehe, so this is the humen right you are talking about?

not a province of china

Yes province of China.

"pirate cd shops (yes the operate very openly)"

you mean like the ones in New York, how very entrepreneurial of them - admirable spirit now all they need is rule of law

"gangs of beggars from xinjiang who are actually pickpockets"

Hungry, willing migrant workers - great give them jobs and fair representation

"food shops so disgusting that most westerners wouldn’t send a pig to eat there"

Yeah, authentic Chinese food isn't for everyone - make sure you wash your fruits and vegetables cause they fertilize with human shit they snatch out of the sewer, sad but true yet nothing that can't be overcome

"unregulated small busnesses [sic] that charge customers based on what they think they can get out of them"

Really loving that entrepreneurial spirit - the CHICOM government really needs to drop the COM cause these guys are die-hard free market capitalists at heart

"maybe a fight between two people who just got into a car accident (no they don’t call the police just duke it out)"

that is just to free up the police for more important things like killing Falungongers

once again a rule of law issue (not crazy authoritarian regime law, actual plausibly fair laws that respect and enforce property rights

"Freedom is a wonderful thing if the people are ready for it and can act civilized when it is granted but sudden freedom usually causes chaos and crime"

The Chinese can handle democracy - the current regime doesn't want democracy because then they could be voted out of power - the world's largest good ol boys club (the communist party) isn't going anywhere any time soon since they (no not every party member you JA, just the police and military under the direct control of the party) are only ones allowed to own firearms in China

I read parts of a book by a researcher at the CASS on implementing democracy at the provincial level and below in order to cut down on corruption - this was central government authorized, supported, and demanded research on implementing limited democracy. It could be a camel's nose under the tent situation if they ever went through with it though - interesting stuff.

There would probably be a few hiccups with the changing to a democracy thing, but China won't do it overnight like Russia. Moreover, the US has had a democracy for quite a while but look at what happened when a little hurricane went through New Orleans - looting, lawlessness, craziness. It really doesn't take much for people, no matter where they are to get retarded when something doesn't go according to plan. However, that doesn't mean that people can't handle democracy. Saying that people can't handle democracy is racist. That is the real racism - progressive apologist crap about you don't understand these poor people from Fuckedistan and all they have been through. So what - plenty of Fuckedistanis come to the US and do just fine under this democracy. It isn't that people can't handle democracy, it is just that change is hard. Life is hard. No more racist apologist crap.

I would like to add that Rousseau is well-known for his famous books on rule of law and authority. You can give rights and freedoms to people after a certain threshold of wealth a country or city has reached (a level that Hong Kong has surpassed).

At the very outset, I do believe developing countries need a firm dictatorship in order to grow. You need a firm rule that ensures food, water, housing, education etc. is delivered and adequate. Hong Kong is not at this stage, and thus it has progessed to the point of freedom of speech, press, etc.

However, once you give those freedoms it is /not/ something you can take away. You cannot make Hong Kong less 'chaotic' by removing these rights: it will bring the law into disrepute, people will rebel, and true chaos/anarchy is likely to resume. The Beijing government should have read more Rousseau, perhaps. :)

"China also has one of the best public transit systems I have ever experienced you can take a bus almost anywhere and there are plentiful trains between cities as well. violent crime is almost non existant you rarely hear about muggings and murders or rapes considering the size of the population."

You described the chaos at the start and then came to say "violent crime is almost non existant", are you insane? You're just like any person who's quick to judge when he or she is shown the palace part of China. I'm tired of trying to explain to people like you becoming the mouthpiece of the authoritarian regime when you're impressed by the illusion that things are alright. I mean if you were born 70 years earlier you'd be the sort of person praising the prosperity brought to Germany by the Nazi regime. You're hopeless.

Wow wow wow, read what "feudalism" is before even trying to comment on liberal democracy. There is nothing "feudal" about "tribal", all that's in your head is an orientalist BELIEF that the chaos in Africa is partly the result of inferior system of governance, since you have no idea what went wrong you just fixate it with the tag of "feudalism", a symbol of the backwardness of Europe's past. You cry that it's not racist, you cry Rousseau, you cry the universalism of white men's progress, but orientalism is racism and you don't realise it because it's structurally embedded in your consciousness. Africa's plight is the legacy of colonialism, the borders of African countries were drawn by the colonials, their "official" languages, their system of government, were all forced upon them by the colonials, who pillaged the wealth and lives of the people of this continent and left after a sudden discovery of humanity some decades ago. There are lots of conflicts cos many would not otherwise be included in the same national identity and border, they are obliged to practice system of governance they've never had experience of. Now they continue to attempt to adopt a Western system of governance, instead of assisting them and giving them credit you cry "Oh Africa is in such a mess because they're tribal." Whereas China ISN'T EVEN TRYING. The Communists just reaffirmed that they'd never adopt Wester democracy, hey, give them a Rousseau please? "Let them adjust to it please."? Many have problems with China because of how HOPELESS it is that China would ever take another step towards the western style of freedom, and you are here bagging Africa? Where is your principle and value now? Where is the credit they deserve? Where is their lives and riches that colonials robbed? China suffered from colonialism too, but African suffered much much much more much much longer. After leaving African a European legacy, now you're saying oh shit no the European universalism isn't seem to be working, let's create a new universalism by grouping "backward" countries together and conclude that they need authoritarianism so Africa needs a Chinese legacy now. Orientalism much? Even the Chinese, the original "orients", are becoming orientalist now thinking they've created a new school of progress. Your hypocrisy will be shown when you enthusiastically jump on that new bandwagon. So Give me a fucking break, you never look back at what happened in the past because the past of Africa exists in the white men's discourse only as a amorphous recognition of "backwardness". Racism is not limited to merely overt exclamation of prejudice, your prejudice is deep inside your discourse and culture. It's like your grandfather robbed and trashed someone else's house and you go to that person and say "oh you must not know how to look after yourself, look your house is in a mess". I'd like to add that you read some postcolonial and postmodern literature, Rousseau is still valid but he lived 200 odd years ago, the world has changed a lot since then. You don't want to face the truth because you don't dare to.

Haha yah, he is. He did refer to them directly. He also mentioned about the quality of Chinese-made products.

He said that the Chinese (ethnically, so all three places) should be more discrete about the products they make, or they will make the Chinese people look bad.

Love the part about how he says if he wanted to buy a television, he would buy a Japan one (very very ironic, especially seeing how the Mainland people HATE the Japanese... well, not all, but still) instead of a Chinese made one because the Chinese ones explode.

Well I don't know, he's still obviously refering to the scandals anyway.

Well, the smaller companies are all in Mainland... most of the manufacturing industry in Taiwan has been exported to Mainland.

And also, the scandal involving the milk powder was by a very popular (and I would think, logically, quite big) company in China.

Some parts of it is, but some parts of it isn't. Telling the CPC to exert control over Taiwan isn't. Saying that HK needs to be regulated more isn't exactly reasonable, either. They are both doing fine on their own.

But of course, his mandarin isn't overly fluent, so I guess he just slipped out some unwanted words. But that's his own problem; he should think first before he speaks.

So can you believe that his speaking is somehow reasonable?