
The latest eroge title from esteemed developer Nitroplus, 装甲悪鬼村正 / Soukou Akki Murasei, brings with it some unusual innovation, but quickly reminds fans of the visual novel just why relying on these companies to innovate is not necessarily a good idea (see Mahou Shoujo Ai, Cross Days, etc).
In this case, they have decided to actually support widescreen displays. However, for some reason they then decided it would be a good idea to display the text in the middle of the screen, in classical East Asian fashion.

However, this is practically unheard of on computers, which almost always display Japanese horizontally.
Fans are already complaining of how hard it looks to read, and how odd it looks. It will not enter into the consciousness of the highly insular eroge industry, but such a text layout also dooms any quick translation efforts…
The game itself is still in development, so possibly it will be changed to something more sane.
Perhaps they should stick to visually stunning, but technologically staid games like Sumaga…
widescreen = fail
not rly
it's just that their innovation fails
Rewrite = also widescreen
Your face is fail.
4:3 = Fail
Really, is there anyone who isn't poor who owns a 4:3 computer screen or TV? There really can't be a single excuse to own it anymore, except if you are poor. TV's have been widescreen for sooooo long and at least my last ten TV's have been WS.
Sure sure, computer screens had 4:3 as standard a little longer, but still if you own a 4:3 computer screen now it must mean that either 1. You haven't bought a new computer screen for the last 5-6 years or 2. You were extremly stupid and bought a 4:3 when widescreen was the obvious new standard.
The only use I can see for a 4:3 TV anymore is to use it for retro gaming. I've been thinking of buying one and then buy all the retro consoles that I do not already own. Been meaning to get hold of a Sega 32X just because Sega did what Nintendon't. Haha, anyone else remember that old commercial?
"1. You haven’t bought a new computer screen for the last 5-6 years or 2. You were extremly stupid and bought a 4:3 when widescreen was the obvious new standard."
Or
3. You have triple screens and have a 4:3 for playing VNs and other 4:3 stuff ^^
Wait, so you've bought like, 10 TV's, in the past like, 5-10 years...?
Dude.
Yes, so?
And yes Phazeshift, that is true. ^^ I was considering buying one of those Matrox Triple-Go (or what their name was), lots of people at WideScreenGamingForum that has them. Though there is too little support for it to bother tbh, and I only play mainly MMO's and RTS on PC anyway, and tripplescreens is only nice for first-person games and such really.
I haven't bought a new computer screen for about 8 years. And a new TV for 15 years.
So... yeah.
mee too, when i upgrade my computer i don't replace my 4:3, instead i bought a better motherboard with the money. i just don't feel it was necessary.
Following standard = fail.
Some of us are poor, some of us just don't care. A lot of us, are a mix of both. =D
"Sure sure, computer screens had 4:3 as standard a little longer, but still if you own a 4:3 computer screen now it must mean that either 1. You haven’t bought a new computer screen for the last 5-6 years or 2. You were extremly stupid and bought a 4:3 when widescreen was the obvious new standard."
I call false dichotomy. I have a 19" 4:3 screen - and yes, granted, it's a CRT - but I bought it in 2005. This was NOT extremely stupid, as the work I do on my computer requires me to work at high resolutions. And as late as early 2007, widescreen LCDs that could display resolutions above a horizontal 1280 pixels were prohibitively expensive where I was living, whereas CRTs like mine, capable of 1794x1342, were rather cheap and widely available.
Whoops, forgot the first part of your post: "Really, is there anyone who isn’t poor who owns a 4:3 computer screen or TV? There really can’t be a single excuse to own it anymore, except if you are poor. TV’s have been widescreen for sooooo long and at least my last ten TV’s have been WS."
There are, tons of comparatively well-off people. They remain financially well-off not least because they refuse to buy a new screen every six to twelve months.
Most of Europeans have 4:3, since it is for long a standard there. Equally the rich and the poor ones (the rich get more expensive 4:3 display, obviousle).
I LOL in the face of those that had to buy their monitors, whether it was normal or wide, cause mine was free XD
I don't know how to replace my 24" iMac with widescreen one, oh well, I'm poor anyway
A 24" iMac is already widescreen.
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Tsk! Maybe their trying to be different than the usual but of course its really hard read it especially when your not used to it. Its like reading a manga your whole life then read marvel comics all of a sudden.
I think reading is the least part of it. It's just so lame on WS. Anime is another thing because something is happening, but on eroge there's too much empty space >.< Also 2nd pic drawing fail, look where the left guy is standing
More like scripting fail...
I believe the background is only an establishing shot to tell you where they are and not EXACTLY where they are standing.
If by "fans" you mean 2ch, and by 2ch you mean "whiners and bitches".
Hell I wished Fate/Stay Night had widescreen support
I just got a new monitor and now whenever I fullscreen it I have to deal with the fucked up aspect ratio
You can set it to retain the aspect ratio in your video card driver settings.
My Samsung TV (which I also use as my PC monitor) has a button on the remote to switch between 4:3 and 16:10. Even the family PC's monitor has a setting titled "fill to aspect ratio". Then as Anonymous said above, your video cards settings should have a feature to alter the aspect ratio.
My Samsung always fills to aspect ratio, regardless of what's configured on the video card, so I always have to change the aspect ratio manually. But there is so much win when playing on a large screen, that I don't bother when I have to do it.
okay that's just annoying.
I quite like this innovative UI design, and don't consider it hard to read after years of reading manga and light novels with walls upon walls of vertical text - but does the new game still support old-style 4:3 displays? More importantly for the non-Japanophone otaku, does the vertical text screw up any chances of getting the game to cooperate with "text hooker" style software?
Why would the direction the text is displayed in change anything? The text still is outputted the exact same way as every other game one uses AGTH, or an equivalent program, on.
Not necessarily. They may well render the text left to right, either in columns or not, rather than the way it's read. It wouldn't affect the player at all, and might work with their existing engine with less work. AGTH by itself couldn't deal with it if that's the case.
Maybe a plan to avoid english translations? :V
They'll always find a way :D
There was this SNES game, Oni if I'm not wrong, that also displayed the text this way. The translation team managed to change the vertical bar so that it became horizontal and made all the text to display from left to right. Unfortunately, they never finished the translation.
Sauce:
http://www.magic-destiny.com/oni-ii.shtml
I'm all for tradition and shit, but is there really a good reason to write vertically anymore? Isn't horizontally infinitely more useful?
I'm not sure. It may make page transitions easier to control for the editors in a way, and the increase in line spacing, at least as seen in my copies of light novels, makes the "wall of text" look a bit less intimidating to a casual reader. Also, certain punctuation marks in Japanese only really work well in vertical text.
since you can read it both ways, it doesn't' really matter to an average Japanese. Most book is still written top down so it would makes it hard to english translation... which I am sure they don't give too much care about.
What, Japanese games are still in 4:3 aspect ratio?
You sound as if you have never seen a screenshot of an eroge before. I find this hard to believe.
Why don't you grow some pubic hair and play some eroge?
You've got to grow some sort of genitalia first :P
To the English-speaking world this might seem very awkward. But it isn't really that bad if you are used to reading books in Japanese, which have vertically aligned text. I am not sure how the ero scene is gonna work out though...You have a big slab of text in the middle. It will really be a buzz kill if it blocks out any body parts of interest...
I actually like it.
What about H-scenes? i would LOVE to see some AHN~ YOUR COCK IS SO DEEP INSIDE ME~ at the middle of the screen during H-scenes. Text at the middle of the screen is a fucking retarded idea.
Free Censorship!
I don't see what's so bad about this. Sure, it might make translation a bit awkward at first, but hey. People are succesfully porting Chaos;Head Noah to computer and translating it, so this shouldn't be a problem at all.
Nitro+ always tries something new, usually with display styles. Just look at the Jingai Makyo, Gekkou no Carnivale or Django.
Lmao... Horizontal text in the middle isn't a good idea... Horizontal text in itself isn't a bad idea though. Look at タペストリー
Didn't Cuffs do the top-to-bottom thing before? But it wasn't in the middle of the screen.
I think it looks kinda cool... but yeah, it'd would be awkward to translate. Also, yay on the new game's art. Really disliked Sumagi's character designs.
They could always have two sex scenes going at the same time instead of putting the big black bar through one. ^^
Up and down makes me feel like im reading a real book, which is nice, but the fact that its in the middle of the screen makes it look ugly :P