The Democratic Party of Japan is moving to support freedom of expression, proposing an amendment to the anti-loli law of last year which would overlook “simple possession” of pornography featuring underage participants, but attach harsh punishment to the commercial sale of such material.
Lolicon have naturally switched their voting preferences accordingly.
The Democrats propose amendments which would prohibit the commercial production, sale and distribution of pornography featuring minors, attaching a maximum 3 year sentence to the offence.
Other changes sought include altering “child porn” to read “items depicting juvenile sexual acts and similar”, and the inclusion of hidden camera material in the law.
However, citing the potential for abuse of search powers by the state, they propose simply possessing the material be overlooked; previously it carried a slightly reduced sentence if the materials were for satisfying “sexual curiosity”.
No mention of 2D materials is being made, which observers unanimously interpret as an unwillingness to legislate on the issue.
The ruling LDP already put off deciding whether to extend its ban to 2D images, but it seems the Democratic proposal will not target 2D, although this is not beyond doubt.
The Democrats themselves harbour many moralists and extreme feminists, and as we have seen before are quite capable of proposing highly objectionable legislation.
However, they also harbour many civil libertarians; recently some have even made vociferous rebuttals to the calumnies heaped upon Japan by the likes of UNICEF, where they claim Japan to be a “major producer” of underage porn.
As a result, the actions of the Democrats are at times rather inconsistent, but they do have generally strong credentials where civil liberties are concerned.
Of course, whether the amendment passes is another matter…
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Ok, let me see if I understand well:
Japan's punishing the ditribution of 'Lolicon', though not the simple possession, right?
But this does not include the 2D, right??
So, the 2D loli distribution is not banned at all, right???
God bless the Land of The Rising Sun, where the citizens and politicians are a lot more sane when it comes to 2D Loli =/= 3D Children..
You're still a pedophile if you fap to 2d loli
And that's how it should be.
And for us Americans... NO GAYS ALLOWED in the military! If your gay then "don’t ask (other for accepting that you're gay) and don’t tell (to the public that you're gay.")
actually Obama repealed don't ask don't tell.
Under Clinton don't ask don't tell replaced honorable discharge by reason of mental disorder (gender dismorphic)
Personally since gayness doesn't interfere with duty I think Don't ask is a better policy because you WILL be serving with some intolerant people and it's just good advice not to brag about it. The same way I don't go around wearing an "i like lolicon" shirt don't wear an "I like wieners" shirt. Talking about sex in the public in a non internet way is very rude and dangerous even.
You're a fucking idiot tingle. Stop pushing your AMERIKKKAN propaganda on a Asian Culture/Media discussion board. Go post on fucking GaiaOnline if you want to circle jerk over being a progressive buttplumber. Dipshit
Yeah. Like pedos/lolicons, gays should NOT brag the fact that they're gay. They're only asking themselves to be jeered or attacked.
"Yeah. Like pedos/lolicons, gays should NOT brag the fact that they’re gay. They’re only asking themselves to be jeered or attacked."
Yeah, because this is a sign of a healthy society. Shove it up yours.
Didn't someone just randomly bring up homosexuals in the military?
TAKE THAT UNICEF!!!
Lolis - for the great justice!
I don't see anything wrong with 2D loli. But seriously, what 10 year old girl wants to have sex? This isn't fucking kodomo no jikan.
/worst comment ever
Well I know where I'm going, if to say lolis fall in the USA.
I think this bill didn't pass and so I am sad.
AWESOME
and it was posted on my birthday
the best birthday evar <3
damn I just love the slogan "free loli for all"
This makes scene since possession dose not mean criminality, now if you make and or sell it(3D not 2D) then its time to be tossed under a buss.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/wp-content/gallery/misc-images-xix/wet-forest-pair.jpg
FUKKEN SAVED
Good thing MikeeFag isn't posting here.
we finaly got politicals fighting on our side
Waaaaay too early to drop guard. The fight just barely started, but this gives us a fighting chance.
Wait.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is talking about *real* little kids now. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Granted, sale is being punished, so there's no incentive to *profit* off of child exploitation, but this is still saying you can keep a record of a crime, sexual child abuse, and as long as you stick to "simple posession" and nobody caught you *while you were doing it,* you're fine.
I'll stand on the front lines defending drawn, fictional loli with anyone else, that's freedom of speech. But really, I think this is where the line should be.
Here's the flaw in your argument: a person can keep a record of their crime, and that doesn't excuse the crime. How does *having* a photograph harm anyone? It's what you do with it that matters. If a person videotapes himself committing murder, it's the murder he should be punished for, not the videotaping of it.
In fact, while still discouraging the crime itself, I could foresee justification for the law to actually encourage people who do end up committing crimes to keep a record of those crimes - just makes it easier to prove what they did and get them convicted if/when they get caught, wouldn't you say?
The bottom line is, I don't see how looking at a picture, or holding onto a picture (this is "simple" possession) constitutes a crime. If you *use* the picture for some nefarious purposes - which, you could argue, include sharing/showing it, provided that action results in some real measurable harm - then that's a different matter. But simply having it? Who are you hurting?
Actually, If one commits a murder on tape and finds a market demand for such tapes, it does provide incentive to commit more murders for the fanbase.
But then again, just because one possesses the tape, that doesn't mean it was bought or commissioned by the possessor. It doesn't prove the producer knows he has it at all.
Conclusion: It can't be proven that you're hurting anyone by possessing it.
I'll second this statement. Saves me from having to write out my own.
I kinda agree.
I mean, it's all to possible to not be a pedophille and attain cp by accident.
But the point is, this paper IS a step in the right direction for lolicon, even if it's a step in the wrong direction for cp.
I think the real flaw behind possesion of cp is, rather than preventing sales, it just opens up a legal market, even if the means of transaction is not legal, as there is a market now, even when it's not legal.
Did you notice how the countries with the most laws in this area are some of the least safe places to be a child?
It seems not to be as simple as politicians would like it to be...
It's rather easier to catch drug adicts though.
Being a drug adict is not exactly a easy thing to hide, and drug dealers/labs, is a rather public job, being in the sale's sector and everything.
And yes, while it's very possible for the government to view what we view online, there are, in the UK, at least 20million other people who are doing the same thing, in regards to breaking the law.
Security >=/=< Liberty
Minority Report's US is by far the safest country in the world
Super man also has a hero who can deflect bullets with his eyes.
Movies != reality.
You can say the same thing about illegal drugs, it doesn't help you if you get caught.
I'm not very comfortable with the line of thinking you're bringing up here - causation and correlation and all that.
I mean, what's the alternative, then? Enstate a law that not just legalizes but *encourages* people to make child porn, which will make child porn cases plummet?
Sure, I'm assuming your real point is that laws don't have a major effect on the prevalence of this kind of thing - but the fact that people should *also* be doing something else doesn't mean they *shouldn't* do the obvious first.
Did you notice how the countries with the most laws in this area are some of the least safe places to be a child?
Australia has some of the strictest and yet it's a safe place to start and raise a family.
To enforce Artifacts point, I remember talking to a friend about the ban on lolicon in the uk and how it would make me sad and he was just like, "Dude, I'm sending you Om's entire discography, as if the law is going to stop you."
what a failed liberal thinking...
Now where is the jap supreme court to see if this is constitutional or not...
Thirded, sounds ridiculous to me. drawn is fine but real people? thats just wrong.
You people realize that the law concerns _real_ human children, right?
I agree it's a good thing they aren't legislating against 2D loli material since one can argue that it isn't really hurting anyone, but everyone getting all happy about the reinstating the right to possess the other kind of loli material is a bit... unsettling?
Yes, its truly unsettling. But at least we know who here is a "real" pedophile or can't read, OR a "real"
pedophile who can't read.
Ppl, have you no shame?
I didn't know the japanese made real lolicon stuff. That's disturbing.
damn, beat me to the punch. <.<
People make the same arguments about 3D material.
There are already laws against making it which are far more severe than the laws being trotted out here.
In practice, it seems unlikely 2D will fare well when the atmosphere is to ban everything.
Also, recall that Japan has had some of the most lax laws in the world in this area for years, yet also has extremely low rates of crime in the same area...
I think the laws are lax because of the low crime rate, rather than the other way round.
The real issue which I think gov' over looks is not that cp can be used to groom new pedo's, but that the children involved are the ones being abused, and making something that has not yet happened illegal is far more effective in making criminals that just prosicuting those who are infact guilty of a 'sin'.
I think the traditional conservative party view of the UK is a bit of an oxymoron in this case. "All people are inanely evil, and society must be used to cure them" and "innocent till proven guilty".
Insaying this, some accounts of cp are just fucking rediculous. If you are going to make a charge for cp, then do it for people who are pedophiles, not with school children exchanging photos of each other, or looking at images of naked children of the same age. Because it is quite fucking natural to be sexualy attracted to a person you spend every day, for 11 years of your life, who is the same age as you, sexualy attractive.
I know there is a number of 16/7/8 year old girls in my college who I would gladly tap if I got the chance, and it seems I can do it legaly, as long as I don't make any video or photo evidence, but thats exactly the same thinking of an actual pedophile. "it's legal till you get caught."
(16, is the age of concent, and I am 18, so no, I'm not a pedophile.)
Doesn't change the fact that high availability has not increased crime.
Took the words right of my mouth.
In many countries you could legally be charged as one.
There's still hope for us lolicons.
Ban loli forevah!!! Castrate lolicons!!! Death to you all!!!
Don't make me write your name down...
*end of troll here*
why so srs?
Fail troll is fail
Curb Stomps to all Loliphobe Trolls!!!
I dont know what that means but it makes me hate anti-lolicons even more!