A mother and father who denied permission for their one-year-old boy to receive a life-saving blood transfusion were stripped of parental authority by courts on the same day, saving the life of the infant.
They cited religious reasons for endangering the life of the boy; speculation centres on them being Jehovah’s Witnesses.
The incident occurred when the infant boy suffered a severe haemorrhage in the alimentary canal, losing a large amount of blood in what doctors considered a life-threatening condition.
For the infant to receive treatment, parental assent was required, but despite doctors trying again and again to persuade them, they refused to allow the needed blood transfusion, claiming it was prohibited by their religion.
Desperate doctors quickly contacted a family court, and within half a day the court judged that as “medical neglect”, the refusal was effectively child abuse. As a result, they legally revoked the parental authority of the pair and passed it to authorities, allowing doctors to go ahead.
Normally such urgent judgments take a week or more, but in this case the court was compelled to act far more quickly; the revocation itself was a temporary measure, although it is not clear how long it lasted.
Via Itai News.
The mass media and hospitals are too tactful to reveal what religion was involved (certainly such objections are not normally associated with any Japanese religions); 2ch plausibly speculates that these were Jehovah’s witnesses.
The actions of the parents have been roundly condemned, with many wondering why such a group is not a restricted cult along with Aum Shinrikyo and company.
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you people dont respect the point of view of their religion, yes i dont allow blood transfussions for myself or my family and people from other beliefs must respect your opinion.
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to respect a religious practice that is so ridiculous. If you even hesitate for a moment to save your child's life when the solution is so simple, you do not deserve to procreate and spread your ignorance, the gene pool is already festering enough.
^ This.
I dont know about goals of this religious practice, but it's results would be obvious: better preservation of future generation's health and genetic consistence. Wouldn't you agree?
You talk about gene pool, but saving this child's life would make this same pool become more and more polluted.
Okay, first of all, we have no way of determining if it is hereditary.
Second of all, I don't even think you can pass this specific condition on hereditary.
Third, even if you could, the odds would be incredibly low for it to be a life altering affliction, assuming the child isn't raised by fucking idiots.
Fourth, where exactly is the guarantee that the parents will not produce another child after they successfully killed this one?
Although I do like that your immediate thought is to let the child die.
Why don't the doctors just use non-blood treatment to where everyone is better off?
@Riiku, your complete lack of sense, rationality, and morality not-with-standing, the sheer potential that rests every child justifies any and all "corruption" or "dilution" of humanity as a whole. The next kid saved by medical "intrusion" because he was unlucky enough to get his umbilical cord wrapped around his neck while in the womb could be the one saving your future spouse or child (or yourself if you're that much of an asshole) from a tragic and entirely avoidable death due to a traffic accident or a slow, progressive brain degeneration from eating a tainted cheeseburger.
Sorry, this reply was meant for Riiku above...
On another note: would you mind sharing with us what those "better alternatives"/"non-blood treatments" you seem so fond of are?
I keep reading rants about the gene pool from you... I won't judge that for know, but you DO realize that nowhere did the article or any other news sources for that matter state what the cause for the hemorrhage was. You must be on quite some crusade if you immediately and automatically connect this to some genetic anomaly.
From everything I've learned in school and university about genetics I don't see how this could have any direct genetic cause (I'm no expert though). It was more likely some unfortunate combination of internal and external coincidences; keep in mind that a child's body at this age is very prone to injuries and sickness of all kinds.
In the middle ages, the death rate of newborn's were very, very high, due to the lack of the medical knowledge and practice to save them. The result is also simple: strong and healthy ones survive. Cruel, but thoose who did had what it takes to live further, without relying on medicine like we do nowadays (of corse some were less lucky and died of sickness in all ages). Note that it's the same thing with wild animals, it's natural.
What do you think will happen with humanity, if generations after generations and after generations, more and more babies are born who cannot survive without medical intrusion, let alone this serious (and there are much more serious cases)?
did anyone watch that certain southpark episode where its okay for a priest to touch little boys?
i think there was some kind of moral lesson that would certainly hit this or any other stupid religious act!
Religion or not, but child who were born with such serious life threating problems, should be left to nature to decide will he live or not.
Yeah, they gave him a blood transfusion, he'll grow up and have a whole generation of unhealthy and sick folks. Is this the future YOU want?
Or maybe he'll grow up and cure cancer. Procreating isn't the only way that a person can positively contribute to society, you know.
Next time you get in a car accident and need a blood transfusion, we'll let nature take it's course and let you die.
It's good for genetic diversity. The human population is large enough that the stronger do not get diluted to disappearance. Also strong/weak is high context dependent. Some people considered weak now may become very strong with a different environment (e.g. after nuclear war)
Blindly breeding for strength in a static environment is recipe for extinction, dinosaur style.
He was a year old. The problems were not congenital in all likelihood.
acts 15:20. jw's follow by the bible. nuff said
This is just dumb...
The parents believed that even if their child die, he will go to the heaven... That's already wrong.
So, who is blamed? The parents? Or their religion?
who is to say what is right or wrong? Lets get back to lolis.. at least we know it is wrong, but enjoyable.. :D
To all ReligioFanboy and HereticoFanBoy: Shit your Brick, and Try Loli, guaranteed wrong ;)
A lot of people here don't seem to think too highly of western religion. O_o
Hello fellow heretics.
Let hope the parent forever revoked parental authority or else, they will treat this child is like a cursed being and beat the hell out of him daily. More miserable than death.
The reason is for blood transfusion denial is stupid. But the fact that parenthood can be revoked for ANY reason is FAR WORSE.
The reason for blood transfusion denial is stupid.
But the fact that parenthood can be revoked for ANY reason is FAR WORSE than that.
Your nice little plan of raeping your children on a daily basis just went straight out of the window, right?
Pfft...everybody knows the only REAL religion to follow is Flying Spaghetti Monster-ism.
Infidel. The Invisible Pink Unicorn is the one true faith!
Convert now or suffer the day when pirates come down from the sky and punish all heathens!
will the pirate screams, "Gomu Gomu Jet Gatling!!" ?
Ramen.
The napkin religion is the one true religion because it says so right here on this napkin!
"They cited religious reasons for endangering the life of the boy;"
Where do you get the idea that the baby's life was endangered?
"they refused to allow the needed blood transfusion, claiming it was prohibited by their religion."
Jehovah's Witnesses do not make such claims. JWs do not refuse blood to children who have not accepted the faith themselves. Because if one has not accepted God's Word and Will, then another's putting the law on them does not matter.
"within half a day the court judged that as “medical neglect”,"
How can it be medical neglect if they took it to a hospital? The doctors are the ones in neglect since they are forcing blood when there are better alternatives.
"Where do you get the idea that the baby’s life was endangered?"
The doctors said as much, and the court agreed with them.
"How can it be medical neglect if they took it to a hospital? The doctors are the ones in neglect since they are forcing blood when there are better alternatives."
I assume you are a Jehovah's Witness.
They had "Witnessed", and yet did nothing...
Bet Jenova--er, Jehovah did the same thing...
Why do people always stick their noses in other peoples business all the time. Honestly who gives a flying fuck what they believe or what they do. Its like everyone has a fucking opinion on anything anyone does. A dog could take a shit on its own lawn and suddenly there are a thousand different opinions on a dog taking a shit. Its their shitty life, shitty choice and their shitty offspring, if it thins the gene pool a little.... even better. Here is a grate piece of advice, keep your opinion to yourself and STFU.
if people did that, this website would die from lack of comments
Sadly I was raised as a JW, and remember the No Blood rule quite well, and have since been exiled for being a rather adventerous young adult. but to this day when I get taken in to a hospital or surgery, I refuse any and all blood. Not for religous reasons like in the past but because, allowing someone elses blood near me freaks me out, I dont care how many screenings and tests donated blood gets there will always be mistakes and human error involved to raise the odds that I could get a bad bag of someone elses blood, look at the past with HIV/AIDS, hep C, from lack of testing, judging from history, I think were a little overdue for the next record killing disease, HIV was what 25 years or so ago. Plus that report was so slanted, Im sure when the parents said no blood, they begged for the use of blood alternitives, theres so many that give you better odds, than some ex crack heads weekly blood donation. for a pack a Kools and a 40.
Still any parent that with holds any treatment because some ancient storybook tells them to, or because they are small minded and actually believe that there is a god and the fact that his first 2 tries at making a human failed worse than square wheels. he shoulda swallowed some pride and went back to reseach and development and whipped some holy ass. If the bible is really true then us humans are the equivalent of the 1st lil piggies house in the story The 3 little Pigs.
Wow I went way off topic, Thanks God for my incurable ADD, Asshole
What are your religious values worth when weighed against your own son's life?
Personally I don't see myself ever choosing anything above my infant son's life. My son means the world to me. If I am labeled a sinner and need to spend the rest of my life trying to redeem myself in the eyes of my religious peers, then I will do it, but my son needs not bear the consequences of the religion I have chosen for myself.
I was raised as a JW i am NOT one anymore and never will be again as i belive they are wrong.
BUT and i say again BUT this judge was out of line, he broke the law himself that the US goverment and the con.. gives each amercian freedom of religion and the right to govern are children within those belifes.
but again the JW will do NOTHING about it cause they belive in turning the other cheek and that this is a test from satan the devil.
But even though i am NOT a JW i will NEVER take blood or allow my 2 daughters to take blood as the BIBLE says not to, AND it has more risk then taking it to save your life.
Case in point talked to my mom about this and she pointed out how a 30 some yearold refused blood got her surger and was reovering going to make it etc.. but before she had it the hospital started a court thing to force her to take the blood, judge got the case and ORDER her to get the transfsioun cause he belived it gave her more chance to live, she died after wards.
She went from being ok to dead cause of that prick.
There are a set of Dr.s out on the west coast that have made ALOT of money training there staff to handle bloodless operations and the US army is having them teach there Dr.s as even they have realized how dangereous taking blood is.
You people make me sick half of you want freedom of speach etc.. but not want people to have freedom of religion.
ahhh the anger of a fellow ex JW, I totally feel ya about any blood, Im going on the list for heart transplants, and I will refuse some nasty contaminated bag of someone eles blood, no way, they have soo manyalternatives now a days because most open minded medical people will agree off the record that someone eles blood put into your system actually puts alot of added strees on your system when its already pushed past critical. I also agree on what you said about them turning the other cheek, grr that was a hard one to live by back then. the only praise I will give "some JW congregations, is that some will try so hard to live their lives as the interpet the bible, unlike other religions that make it so easy to lead double lives. but not all JWs try that hard, Iseen tons that if god really did exist, he probably would have struck them with lightning
I want their address, so I can send them a picture of my ass...
The moment you argue that someone has the right to 'legally' steal a child away from a parent based on their own interpretation of 'neglect', or 'abuse', is the moment you have put the state over the rights of the individual, and have forfeited your right as the blood guardian of your own future children.
I challenge all of you who have argued in favor of this action to check the statistics on the amount of money Child Protective Services (CPS) is awarded, per child, based on the flimsiest of allegations (they are given cash incentive to 'rescue' children, particularly those of the blond haired/blue-eyed persuasion), and what, exactly, happens to those children when they are then rushed off to foster care in tears (see the statistics that prove that over half of them are almost immediately put on medication, not to mention the exponential increase in sexual and violent abuse).
If we are not willing to allow someone to do as they see fit with their own flesh and blood, then you are willingly throwing your own rights as a human being right out the window, and are asking for the jack-boot of the state to tell you what is right and wrong for the children you brought into this world.
Don't want your child vaccinated due to overwhelming proof of the dangerous auto-immune reaction that occurs? Too bad. Don't want your child enrolled in the public education system, but can't afford a private school? Tough shit. Refuse to force your child to enlist in 6 month mandatory service under new legislation put in place by the current administration? You'll never see your kid again.
It's a dangerous, slippery slope. Is it horrible that a child might die because someone refuses - for reasons we may not understand - to seek medical treatment? Yes, it is. But we are free human beings, regardless of the country we live in, and none of us has the right to take someone's child away from them, ESPECIALLY not one that uses kangaroo courts and is, in every sense of the word, above the law. If a child is actually being abused/neglected by their biological parents (which, despite a lot of vitriol in the comments here, has NOT been proven) it is truly lamentable, but I will argue that any man or woman who would allow a government agency to take their children away from them (for any reason) without a fight has lost both their spine, and their soul, and those who would argue in favor of 'negating' another parent's rights unaware of the trap being set around their own feet.
http://www.examiner.com/a-1347693~Baby_snatching_by_Arlington_County.html
http://www.nbc4i.com/cmh/news/state_regional/article/more_parents_refusing_vaccines_for_kids/12889/
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/schools_police_snatch_kids_of_late_parents.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/brave_new_world/fosterkids_drugs.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44683
And for a small FAQ on what is wrong with stealing children from their parents: http://www.fightcps.com/articles/faq.html
For the record: I come to this site to forget about shit like this, but apparently I'm not even safe on a 2D ecchi board.
This isn't a "2D ecchi board".
Alright, I myself am I JW.
And I really quite resent all this shit you guys are spreading around.
First off on the non-important things.
We don't believe in hell, so the parents weren't afraid of that.
And we also don't believe that we just go to heaven when we die. The earth was created for humans, and that's how it's going to stay.
Now.
Really.
I've never seen a larger bunch of arrogant assholes occupying the same space in my entire life.
We don't believe that our soul is in our blood.
But we do believe that our blood is sacred.
I personally, would probably give my own child blood.
But that's my personal choice.
And if it ever came to the time where I would need blood, my parents have left that up to me.
Now, some people take this religion overboard sometimes, but what religion doesn't have those people?
And another thing, of course they won't reject having their child back.
Moron.
Surprising how stupid people are.
Actually, it isn't a surprising thing that most of you are arrogant pricks.
You are not one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Not one of the seven million Witnesses around the world would ever consent to take blood or give blood to their child.
Secondly, no true witness would use foul language to express a proper opinion. Everyone here has a right to believe whatever they wish to believe no matter how uninformed that belief may be.
Thirdly, in response to everyone here, it is a fundamental truth that blood is sacred. We don't reject blood because our religion tells us to reject blood. We choose to reject blood transfusions because the bible say to abstain from blood. You might be saying that the bible says not to eat blood but think about it this way. Your doctor tells you that you can't drink alcohol anymore, are you going to inject it into your veins. Or your doctor tells you that you can't smoke anymore, are you going to chew tabacco?
I took three years of anatomy in college and all of my professors, none of which were Jehovah's Witnesses, adamently stated that the most dangerous and unhealthy thing you could do at a hospital was to receive a blood transfusion.
There are a lot of non-witnesses out there that believe the same thing we believe about blood transfusions. We are not a cult. We are normal people that stand by our beliefs just like anyone else.
Stupid ignorant barbarian.
You should try not to take this seriously. You're giving people more reasons to spout shit about you or JWs. People will never understand your religion or people like Mormons..or those crazy scientolgists.
PLEASE EVERYONE, BE NICE..=[
So you think throwing insults is going to help your case?
Calling people "arrogant pricks" because their views differ from yours is pretty arrogant to begin with.
Flying in a self-defending rage (righteous fury?) because your religion is under fire is the natural instinct of human being to reject external views that contradict their own. However your failure take matters objectively makes you a poor judge of the situation. Do you really think everyone here is ready to point fingers at every single JW just because of that single case? Well if you are right, then you JW are either a) very poor at presenting yourself to the world or b) deserving of that opinion. I'll let you decide which.
The court called for "child neglect" because the parents made a conscious decision to endanger the life of their child. Parents are responsible to preserve the child's life by law, and the court was just following the proper procedure. I don't really care if you think the law is wrong. After all I think giving freedom of expression to people like yourself is wrong, but fortunately for you, the law guarantees that you can preach all you want.
So do us a favor and read up before typing b*** s*** next time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abuse
We live in a society that doesn't follow the laws in your religion and there is nothing you can do about it, unless you want to form a political party. Or why don't you crash some airplanes in skyscraper or two if you don't like it? That seems to be pretty hip these days.
Most political parties only follow laws if it is advantagous for them, otherwise they fight to have the law changed, thats why the good ol U.S. 2 party system is failing us in this day and age, noone works together for greater good, they work for themselves and their party because thats what gives them the more comfortable lifestyle. 2 party systems waste so much time finger pointing and backroom circle jerk fundraisers, not to help the many, no to help the few. its sad that good values and honesty actually alienate you in society
Ok.
Did I say anything about the court decision?
No.
I didn't.
and I'm appalled by the response everyone here has had.
"Or why don’t you crash some airplanes in skyscraper or two if you don’t like it? That seems to be pretty hip these days."
Oh yeah.
I'm arrogant.
Asshole.
Well, "arrogant pricks" or "moron" it's pretty soft in comparison to all the offensive comments that people have made here about all that concerns to people beliefs (not only his religion).
I agree with you that we should discuss without offensive words, but take into account that almost everyone here said offensive stuff to his religion.
And the part about the planes... seriously, you should stop saying that, don't put every people in the same bag, not everyone out there is an extremist, religions only gives "laws" that PEOPLE decide to follow or not, based on their own judgment.