Gundam 00 Ending Promises Surprise

You're confusing design and physics thar

Not exactly. Part of the appeal of some Gundams is the fact that they are realistic(as realistic as a Gundam could be), look at the popularity of MS 8th Team. If I was purely talking about aesthetics then you would be right but design can include function as well.

Wouldn't Gasaraki or Metal Skin Panic be more up your alley then?

On the functional design side, I favor Masamune Shirow. Gundam 00 does have functional designs, but they are mostly with the non-Gundam models. Storywise, Gundam 00 is adequate, but the bar has been raised by other mecha anime like Code Geass and Rideback.

@Jarmel: The popularity of 8th MS team? Hardly. I dont think Ive seen an apparence of an 8th MS team character/mobile suit in a video game/model/etc in a long, long time.

While "realism" is good, so is "OMG" factor. That feeling of making the impossible, possible (yes I know Im making an obvious reference here) is as much of a tradition as the realism.

Episode 21 sucked. >.<

Even though im a fairly big fan of 00, i have to agree the designs arnt as cool as the first season...

1st season's Exia looked wayyyyyy much better than 00 >.>

Lack of writing? The hell?!

Did you miss all the obvious plot holes and stupid plot twists or do I have to spell them all out for you?

While I really don't care at all what you think about "stupid plot twists" since everyone has their own tolerance level for what qualifies as realism in anime, you might as well just go ahead and tell me about these apparently show breaking plot holes. This oughta be good. Hold on I'm going to go get a drink while you write this all up.

I really hope you end up with some actual plot holes (as in flat out irreconcilable contradictions in the flow of the story) though and not just "plot holes" (i.e parts of the story you didn't care or characters acting in a way you wouldn't have acted if you were in their situation) otherwise I won't be very impressed. Plot holes I'm interested in discussing, "plot holes" not so much. Just the fact please.

Ok first off let's correctly define a plot hole. Plotholes include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline. Oh and there's a difference between someone acting as I would have done and someone acting with common sense. Ok lets start off shall we?

-A-Laws dropping the elevator on themselves (You already tried to explain this away on THAT and we already shot your theory down)[Illogical]
-Hong surviving the ship explosion[Impossible]
-Revival taking the wrong Gundam[Illogical]
-CB not restraining a prisoner or using him as a hostage[Illogical]
-Billy magically pulling TransAm from some of Eifman’s notes[Illogical]
-Only Graham has TransAm for A-Laws when there is no logical reason that nobody else can't use it[Illogical]
-At the end of episode 18 the single gunshot fired and the submachine gun fired in ep 19 are not compatible. [Impossible]
-The Federation labeling the Tower drop incident as a terrorist event despite
thousands of their own troops seeing what they did.[Illogical and pretty much impossible]
-Ali not shooting to kill when Setsuna was out of his Gundam and instead going for this elaborate poisoning method(which is really the just incompetent writing)[Illogical]
-A mobile armor with energy bending capabilities(To be fair alot of what Gundam 00 does is impossible but not to this extent)[Impossible]

Oh and we're not even discussing the pure stupidity that makes up a large portion of the show.

I'd swap out everything you say impossible for with improbable or unlikely, but in some cases what you describe has a perfectly obvious explanation. Anyway:

--A-Laws dropping the elevator on themselves (You already tried to explain this away on THAT and we already shot your theory down)[Illogical]:

Actually you just bitched harder and louder along with Crusader and every other biased person on THAT then I could be cared to argue with anymore, but yeah that wasn't the Federation, that was Goodman and Katagiri and it's been shown in Goodman's case to be well within his characters personality to have that much of a disregard for the safety and security of others and an appetite for wanton destruction. He's almost like Ali in that regard except he's a coward.

[Explanation: Goodman is a sadist and Katagiri really wanted to use this opportunity to quash the rebellion, even it if it meant having to bear the sins of committing such an attrocity. Both people knew what they were doing, just one didn't care and one felt it was worth the loss]

-Hong surviving the ship explosion[Impossible]

You mean the bridge catching on fire? I don't recall seeing the ship explode. Anyway if you ask me that was one of the weakest episode in the series. Oh and I think it's important to note that what happens in the post episode cliff hanger portion isn't necessarily what actually happened in the episode or usually even in the correct sequence of the story. I've learned to take the post episode bits for the obvious cliffhanger/exaggeration gimmicks to get people worked up for the next episode that they are.

[Explanation: Don't take everything you see in the post credit sequence as is since most of it is just a teaser for the real sequences that happen in the next episode]

-Revival taking the wrong Gundam[Illogical]

I always assumed the plan was for him to take the 0-Raiser and Anew to take the 00 Gundam, but obviously it didn't work out that way. Hardly illogical, just the plan getting foiled.

[Explanation: You seem to have misunderstood the plan]

-CB not restraining a prisoner or using him as a hostage[Illogical]

They had him well under control in that room, it's just that Anew turned out to be in league with him and she took a hostage so that he could escape. Even if he were tied up or restrained they would have had to let him go anyway or risk Anew shooting up the ship and making an even worse problem for themselves.

[Explanation: Again you didn't seem to understand the situation they were in]

-Billy magically pulling TransAm from some of Eifman’s notes[Illogical]

Yeah to be honest I don't really know how that works either. I keep thinking there has to be a critical design flaw somewhere that makes it inferior to the true GN-Drive Trans-Am or that's it's a total jerry rig like the GN Flag, but so far we haven't seen anything.

[Explanation: Eh....I never got this one myself so all I can say is it better get a better explanation somewhere or I'll be forced to agree with you]

-Only Graham has TransAm for A-Laws when there is no logical reason that nobody else can’t use it[Illogical]

Graham's got his one man army thing going on and Billy is doing this for him and revenge against Kujo, not for A-Laws. Also whoever said that what he did for Masurao was mass produceable even if he would want to share it with the rest of A-Laws.

[Explanation: They're not sharing the technology either deliberately or because they simple can't]

-At the end of episode 18 the single gunshot fired and the submachine gun fired in ep 19 are not compatible. [Impossible]

I don't really remember this all that well, but again I think you take the post episode cliffhanger bits way to close to heart. Most of them are pure BS fanservice and exagerrations like Ali breaking the fourth wall.

[Explanation: Typical post credits BS]

-The Federation labeling the Tower drop incident as a terrorist event despite
thousands of their own troops seeing what they did.[Illogical and pretty much impossible]

Interesting that after this A-Laws suddenly decided to bring the Federation army under it's exclusive control with permission from 00Bama. Seems an awful lot like a gag order to me. Also Katie and part of her fleet seem to have flat out quit the A-LAWS and gone underground (she seems poised to appear again in the episode tonight). I get the sense that some people are doing something regarding this incident, just that there's only so much they CAN do with the Federation citizens complaceny and an unconfirmed amount of manpower.

Also nobody actually saw what happened between the 00-Raiser and Memento Mori that is still alive to tell the tale besides Arthur Goodman, and you could be guaranteed that he'd play along with any story about the Gundams being the cause of the incident instead of him to save his bacon.

[Explanation: People such as Katie's fleet appear to have defected to Kataron as a result of this incident and the Federation is now A-Laws bitch. For the people that didn't they are in no position to talk about the truth, don't want to talk about the truth, or just flat out don't know the truth]

-Ali not shooting to kill when Setsuna was out of his Gundam and instead going for this elaborate poisoning method(which is really the just incompetent writing)[Illogical]

I can only guess Ribbons didn't want him dead right away for what is happening to him now in becoming an Innovator, which also seems like part of somebodies plan. It doesn't seem like incompetent writing to me at all.

And honestly you people need to stop with the "bad writing" thing when you don't know if there could be a reason for something like this happening down the line as it's just getting sad and stupid now. Not everything that happens in an anime series has to have an immediate or obvious reason and resolution for it like you seem to think is needed in order for something to be "good writing". How do you know that the way the story is written doesn't require it to be explained in the future after some other key event in order to have the maximum impact.

So yeah from this point on everytime I see that "bad writing" thing pop up for an unfinished series (especially for one that has a habit of leaving plot threads open until the become relevant again) I'm just going to skip it since it's retarded to flat out denounce the writing of an unfinished series with open plotlines. Dislike the progress of the story so far, fine, deny the writing in a general sense, only if you're opinionated beyond reason as to what constitutes good writing....in which case nobody really cares outside of circles that share the same opinion. In short save it for THAT.

[Explanation: There seems to be a reason why Ali didn't shoot to kill and you can bet it has something to do with Ribbons liking of and apparent plans for Setsuna]

-A mobile armor with energy bending capabilities(To be fair alot of what Gundam 00 does is impossible but not to this extent)[Impossible]

Errrr....you know that that is entirely possible and that this isn't the first Gundam series to have had a bending beam. You can set a beam to output practically any shape you want depending on the containment field. I think you are thinking of it in terms of a magic bullet, when really beams in the Gundam universe have always been malleable. Hell Crossbone Gundam has Beam Flags and Victory Gundam has beam shields that can be formed into swords by changing the output. How do you think an I-Field works in U.C? Who's to say the same can't be said for GN Fields.

[Explanation: Learn your Gundam physics son.]

- Oh and we’re not even discussing the pure stupidity that makes up a large portion of the show.

Yawn....how cliche. As I said before,I honestly don't care. I think you complain far to much, get worked up about television far to easy and are just trying to look like a tough guy. I'm purely interested in debatable facts, not your opinion which you've already stated countless times.

Err what? I now see why Crusader doesn't bother talking with you as you just reject things that don't fit your theories.

1. We proved you WRONG on the tower incident, there was no leeway on that. We have already argued how absolutely illogical it was. You are also way wrong on the Hong incident, go check the episode you see massive explosions all along the ship. How did Hong escape as she was locked out of the controls and I doubt that Nena after firing would just take a break so they can escape.
2.The parts after the credits are part of the show, just because you don't agree with them doesn't make it non-canon.
3.Your making up your own theories to explain events when it is obviously the writer's job to do such. If the writers don't explain something, it's called a PLOTHOLE. You're just making crap up when you have no clue.
4.First off it's entirely impossible for an energy beam to just bend and unless you show me some scientific article saying it's possible for energy to just randomly bend without any sort of assistance then we'll talk. It's called the first law of motion, if something is moving then it will keep moving until something stops it. And guess what's need to just bend, that's right, to stop.

Almost all of the things I listed were plotholes and you just making up shit(some of which makes no logical sense) to try and say it's not a plothole just proves my point. I'm done arguing with you as you like to sprout your own theories as fact when they aren't. If they explain something later then fine it's not a plothole but currently it is until later rectified. Word of advice, when arguing with someone about plotholes don't give your own ideas or opinions, cite some facts in the show itself. Here I thought you would show some intelligence with your replies but apparently not. Good day sir.

God you are such a troll. Just because YOU think something is wrong doesn't mean it IS wrong.

Japanese cartoons - serious business.

Also, I can't believe someone is arguing about the laws of physics, in a Gundam anime.

This is just holdover arguing from other portions of the blogosphere.

C'mon people, spread some goodwill!

Don't make Quen's 00 go Trans-Am on us. I don't think any of us wants to see anybody else here floating naked in space.

Actually, activating my Trans-Am sounds like it would be pretty fun.

@Jarmel: That's circular logic right there. And man I've really never seen somebody have it in for and whine so damn much over a TV show. Get a grip man. :/

Seriously this is what you look like right now:

"Goooooooooooooooooood, why can't this show be more like U.C Gundam?! I know I'm right and everyone else is wrong because I'm on the internet, and everyone on the internet is right! Waaaaaaaaaaaah! Stop trying to come up with reasons why these are not plotholes, I already said they were! STOP TRYING TO ENJOY THE SHOW!"

Yeah....like I said, get a grip.

Oh and yeah, in the Gundam universe it IS possible to make a beam bend. Last time I checked this was an anime universe with it's own set of rules, not our own universe. If you can't even seem to figure that out then you really are just a hopeless whiner.

@Dmonhiro: More like he seems to think people will drop everything and join his angry whiner brigade just because he pops up somewhere and says a show is full of plotholes.

Like I tried to explain to him, most of these so called "plotholes" have blatantly obvious explanations and those that don't are either easily explanable or insignificant in the long run. Buddy sounds like your typical whiner from /m/ who only ever goes on the internet when they have something to complain about and that's all you'll probably ever hear from him. Not worth arguing with anymore in my opinion. Just gotta point and laugh.

jarmel is a moron end of story

But you have to admit, Lockon Stratos getting killed off and replaced by his own twin brother was a pretty cheesy development.

Doesn't matter if you see it coming or not, it's still a groaner.

Not as cheesy as Divine Nova getting killed off and replaced by several 100 versions of himself though. Funny that I was just debating with a guy about "stupid plot twists" last night and then the episode that airs gives me one to grouse about.

Zoinks. That's one heck of a twist.