A US warship, the USS Blue Ridge, caused controversy as it docked at a Nagasaki harbor, despite refusal of entry from the mayor and regional governor.
Ordinarily stationed in Yokosuka (near Tokyo), the purpose of the ship’s arrival was to promote friendship between Japan and the United States, however the pacifist Nagasaki local government does not want to be friends with a nuclear armed US.
As per an agreement made in 1960, local officials are unable to refuse US ships from entering their ports, and neither Japan nor the Navy was prepared to take any notice of them. Several hundred citizens, including atomic bomb survivors, mounted a protest as the vessel arrived.
It is the seventh such visit by a US naval vessel; Nagasaki itself is right by the US naval base at Sasebo.
Osamu Yoshitomi, an official in Nagasaki City, the second city razed by atomic weapons, gave the following statement:
We don’t want to see the US flag flying at this port, and this feeling will not change until the United States takes a policy towards the elimination of nuclear weapons.
Following the arrival of current US president Barack Obama, some bomb survivors had somehow convinced themselves he would move the US towards a policy of abolitionism.
The USS Blue Ridge itself is a “Blue Ridge” class command and control ship; non-nuclear and carrying only light defensive armaments, its purpose is apparently to serve as a floating hotel for officers when it is not directing amphibious landings.
Via Yahoo News.
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i live in neither country so i dont really have a say on the matter, (in fact, my country did almost nothing being so small)
but from my POV, it looked like the US was helping in small amounts on the English/European side before japan did the pearl harbor incident, in which US just for lack of a better word "snapped" and wanted japan to STFU and bombed it once offering it time to surrender when that was declined they did it again, im thinking that if japan declined again the US would have bombed again.
no one is excused of what they did and the time that has passed history may be a little warped so the whole discussion is best left in the past, at least japan is fine now
and on the topic of this boat, i think there is more to it that the story states
If my history serves me, we didn't have a third bomb at the time. Fat Man and Little Boy were our two aces in the hole, although I do remember that after the first one went off, videos were "leaked" by America showing that we had silo's of them. Of course, that wasn't true at the time, but it seems to have been effective.
Why so serious? I don't like this thread. Can't we go back to Korea bashing and not U.S. bashing?
As an American, I stand for the abolition of salted squid guts.
Day when all ICBM's are disarmed:
Man says,"Hooray NO MORE nuclear weapeans"
*GRU soldier detonates briefcase*
Face it, if the Soviets had invaded Japan in WW2, we wouldn't be getting all this glorious and truly wonderful random shit since 1952.
nagasaki...
well i see the reason
even i will not like it. us military(culprit) visiting
I understand that the otaku community of this board has a penchant for ignoring all the evil of the world in favor of cartoons, but asking the United States to disarm is ludicrous. We got caught with our pants down once at Pearl Harbor; forget about that happening again. If we're attacked, I'm all down for retribution.
No one would be this stupid. Even if the US had less weapons there is still the NATO. If someone attacks one of its members he will have to fight all the others as well.
Yeah, right.
Recent survey conducted amongst citizens of "old" NATO members (those who were in alliance pre-1999) gave an obvious outcome that most of the people recommends to abandond the eastern allies, if the alternative is sending own forces for a war with Russia.
I have to grant that survey was only conducted in Europe, excluding United States and Canada from the results. I don't think it would have any impact, though.
@fabian: maybe i naven't been speaking precisely. The question was "What would you recommend to your government in case of Russia attacking some of the post-1999 NATO members". While the thesis seems unlikely, the answers gave some feel about attitude of western europeans.
-_- Ignore my comment....it seems it didn't post the entire thing do to me using one of the arrows.
Nowadays it's pretty unlikely that Russia would attack any of the member states directly unless someone provokes them. Why would Europeans want to start a war with someone who isn't their enemy any more?
The cold war is over, though a few right-wings dorks didn't get that yet.
<_.< It could happen, but at the same time I look at it from a different view maybe its just better if the U.S. steps down from being the World Police.
Can't really blame them. Especially considering that there were atomic bomb survivors among the crowd. I'd hold a grudge too, if a bomb was dropped on me and wiped out thousands of people.
All pros, cons, excuses and reasons aside, if I was a survivor of a nuclear bombing that literally vaporized my home, probably most of my family, my friends, colleagues and generally most of the people I knew out of existence, I too wouldn't be so fond of the "aggressors" parading in at the harbor of my rebuild hometown.
But given the role my country had during the war, I better not comment further on the issue.
has anybody heard the Balikatan in the philippines? zomg, they're here in my region, most of the people unwelcomed them, but still, they're persistent. they said they're on a humanitarian mission, but as ofcourse, it's all about the hidden agenda...
In war there are no right and wrong, only what is left.
It's a shame that America only had two bombs.
"Drop the nukes!"
"Admit you committed atrocities and war crimes like the rest of the countries."
"... KEEP THE NUKES!"
LOL.
America saving others? they only save their own interests. And if that was not enough, they think the enemy is out there while America´s true enemy worked it from inside out with this economic crisis. Only in America you can ruin the country (and the entire World) and earn a prize of billions of dollars while an old lady kills herself out of desperation. hahahaha.
lol seriously? silly japs, we still own ur country and u dont even realize it! hahaha!
And The japanese say this after what they did to the surrounding countries? When the Japanese got nuked the only people that didn't hate them was the chinese and the Germans
The 2010 Nuclear Security Summit, a dream come true!
P.S.
The previous message would've been a lot longer, but I lost the motivation to try to convince you otherwise.
Dear Nagasaki,
It has come to my attention that you despise nuclear weapons and wish to have them dismantled. Let me give you a little 411 on what would happen if the United States abolished its nuclear weapons program.
First, note your two closest neighbors, China and North Korea.
As we all know, China has an enormous army and lots of nukes. Do you really think that they would not take the opportunity to invade your country if the U.S. missile program didn't exist? The Japanese people may make jokes about China all the time, but, believe me, China is just as Imperialistic as the next world super power. Let's also not forget that they have an army large enough to annihilate your SDF and subvert your people through force. Need I remind you that China still has a grudge against Japan for World War II. It's difficult to ignore old wounds, especially when genocide is committed.
Next, let's look at your other neighbor, North Korea. As you're probably all very aware of, THEY ARE FIRING MISSILES OVER YOUR COUNTRY! Missiles that could potentially harbor nukes, even! Do you think they'll get rid of THEIR nuclear program if the United States did? Hell no! Kim Jong-Il would rather launch a dozen or so nukes at both Japan and the U.S. and laugh than quit his nuke program!
Because of the nuclear arsenal that the United States possesses, your country remains safe. Do I advocate the use of nuclear weapons? No, but I would rather have them and not need them than need them and not have them.
Signed,
A United States Citizen
What? I like nukes.
They are cool.
And they are also great problem-solvers.
they actually are great problem solvers
people are scared of nukes do to the possiblility of someone misusing them, but there have been no serious wars between major nations since ww2 because most of those nations have nukes. russia and the US might not exist right not if each didn't have nukes that were ready to fire at each other at anytime
The truth is simple. Despite the image of friendship and cooperation for peace (bla, bla, bla), Japan is still under American occupation. This is USArmy, that stays in Japan since the II World War, not Japanese Army that makes a fortified camp in Los Angeles Harbor. And even there is no Japanese Army - there are only Self Defence Forces, not very officially, but very efficiently controlled by USArmy.
These are the rules of THIS world: it is impossible to lose the war (especially self-started) and not be under the victorer's occupation until the occupied nation takes over by force - economical or military, but by force. The similar situation is with Germany - This is USArmy, that sits in camps in Germany, not Bundeswehra walking on the 5-th Avenue (in spite the fact, that Germany belongs as an equal member to the NATO treaty). Poland also belongs to this treaty, but in Poland there are no USArmy camps. At last without Polish authorities' consent (as far as I know).
The fact, that there is no longer mass slaughtery, victims, bombardments and night air alarms does not change anything. This is USNavy ship which docks in Nagasaki in spite of Japanese objections, not "Something" Maru that enters the San Francisco harbor whenever she wants to.
If Japan was under Soviet occupation, The Soviet battleship would enter Nagasaki and every Japanese, that would publicaly disagree with Japanese - Soviet "friendship" would be at least imprisoned. This is the difference.
I am not American. I am Polish. And I am pretty far from both sides of the conflict. Poland also was under occupation for a long time, first, from 1939 under Germano-Russian and after the IIWW only under Soviet. Formally, after IIWW, Poland was an independent and sovereign state, but every Polish minister had a Soviet friend-advisor-viceminister and in every polish army division there resided soviet friend-komissar (co called "politruck" - political guide, from russian: "politicheskij rukovoditiel"). And this was the Red Army occupying many, closed for Polish citizens, towns and localities, ready to intervene in case Poles had some dreams on independence and freedom form communism. Formally Poland was independent, free and paceful. Moreover, USArmy rather does not keep Japanese in prisons, does not hang and shots them for the dreams of free Japan, as Soviet occupant did with Poles even in 80'ties of last century. Red Army left Poland officially and in fact in 1992 (or 1994, or so - I do not remember precisely)
So I understand Japanese, how they feel. This is absolutely sincere and it should be this way, but they deserved for it. Absolutely. Even if they were provoked to attack Pearl harbor - they should not do it. But they risked the war hoping, that Imperial Army is invincible. Every man entering the cassino hopes, that he will win a fortune. Bets - spins - looses and bears a grudge to a winner, that takes his money. This is the way world works. All the speeches of freedom, international friendship, ONZ, UNICEF, NATO, bla, bla, bla is the circus for the stupid crowd. IN THE WORLD THE RULER IS THE STRONGER. And nothing will change it. Because this is the nature's law. Like the law of energy conservation. German and Soviet occupation of Poland for total 50 years, contrary, was undeserved: Poland has never started any major war in it's history. The only our blame and shame was, that we were weak militarily (altough there never was lack of will to fight - especially compared with ex. France of that time). And for this we can have regrets only towards ourselves.
Japan didn´t attack Pearl Harbor out of pride for an "invencible army" you dumbass, but because USA and Europe were doing a blockade to starve the japanese to death and them dominate the entire Asia. You don´t see that fact in History books, now do you?
And for war crimes, you can search the definition for such debauchery. USA already made every single one of those. But since they own the World, the last word is theirs'. Remember that there are still "USA and territories (Hawaii for an example)".
Wow, that was well said.
Spare me your babbling. I'm from Poland also and I hate seeing other Poles on the internet, who will take any ocasion to offtop and elaborate on completely unimportand and uninterestig details of Polish history.
US bases in Germany may as well be the single reason that Soviet tanks didn't ruch through Germany before the 90's. Now there is some consideration in USA that bases in Germany are no longer needed, and that it would be reasonable to move them towards the east. Personally, I would be very happy to see US bases in Poland, since I certainly prefer theirs "occupation" than Russian.
You are already they're occupation stupid poles.
Oh I'm sure you can backup this claim with some real facts. You just don't want to!
Excuse me, but since you write so on the international forum... The World would think, that every Polish is like you. I begin understand, where the stereotype of "stupid Pole" comes from. From Poles, that are ashamed, that they are Poles.
Some other nations do not have to be ashamed of millions humans burnt in furnaces, thousands murdered in "medical" experiments, tens thousands of prisoners of war killed in camps and long death marches through the jungle or arctic frost, but Poles should be ashamed, that they are Poles and cannot show such impressive results. RIDICULOUS! Is the World like a thieves' gang, that it is a shame when a member of it was catched stealing a wallet in a metro, not that he just tried to steal?
The main your mistake is, that you make assumption, that some other than our home army MUST reside in Poland. If it is not Russian, then German, if not German, then American. You are right, I also prefer cholera than the plague, but why a priori consider the situation "we must be ill". Better is to think "we must not be ill". I would prefer, that every army sits in it's homeland and there is real order and peace.
I would write something about "pańszczyźniany chłop" (landless peasant) mentality, that even does not imagine the situation, that he has land and house and assumes, that he will be landless, poor and exploited by his lord for whole his life. If he thinks so, he will be exploited. Because he never tries to do something for the change. Pitful. Sitting and crying. All we can do. Change your source of information. You see Poland as if it was depicted by dr. Joseph Goebbels. Hopeless, helpless, last hole in the world, that even cannot govern by itself in it's homeland and needs foreign army to occupy it brutally to be happy. Ridiculous.
And if our history is not interesting for you, it means, that you have severe complexes. Why do you assume, that Poland is totally uninteresting country, Poles are inferior to any other nation and... Are you ashamed being Polish? What did our ancestors do and what do we have to be ashamed of? Did they burn several millions of people in the crematory furnaces? did they perform "medical" experiments on prisoners in concentration camps like gen. Shiro Ishii, Joseph Mengele or bombarded cities full of innocent civilians with atomic (and conventional) bombs? Do you know, that Poles in Allied Forces during WWII refused to fly over German cities and bombard them?
World will never understand this. The worse for the world. I (as every human being) have the right to be proud of my homeland's history.
Yes, world certainly cherishes power. Only somebody, who kills, occupies and steals can walk with head lifted high. Those, who are robbed, killed, those who fight even against hope - are just "stupid poles", or just stupid.
If anyone wants to tell me, that Poles are stupid - write it in Polish. I will never discuss this question with anybody who cannot write, read and speak Polish properly. Excusez le mot. This is not the question to be discussed in any other language.
I have never publicly said, that any nation is stupid. Because it is not true.
Hey, you know that by inserting here even more unimportand babbling you've COMPLETELY backed up my point?
It would be better if the guys and gals in the background are holding bazooka's and other heavy military equipment which are targeted to the two there. lol
If he wants to promote friendship between the US and Japan, he should blow up 4kids, and than tell all english dub companies to do a better job...oh and all video game companies to release dual audio games >__>
Interesting debate is interesting.
Thanks for the read guys!!!! =D
Man those protesters are really annoying. I live in sasebo, Japan at the naval base and when the USS Lincoln came to port at are base, there was soo many protesters that we rallying in front of the gate to the base. The base pretty much closed down and I couldn't even get out of the base for like almost 4 hours, and I had too!
I don't even know why they protest, the ships are powered by nuclear generators, they don't carry nuclear weapons! And also noting that Japan also have nuclear power plants themselves and they don't want a ship that is nuclear powered to be in Japan? Really doesn't make sense here.......
Especially considering the US forces are now there at the request of the Japanese, they even pay towards the base upkeep... They might be better served protesting their own government.
It's simple, hatred of the USA is "the thing to do". Forget how the USA has helped your country become what it is and just bash them when you can so you feel better.
It's like in High School when the Student President is also the best jock and academic person in the school. Most below are envious.
THIS.
It seems our role in life to be whipping boys for the rest of the world.
-_-
id agree with you more if i couldnt read that with an AMERICA, FUCK YEAH! attitude...
Well... Agreement is an agreement- n.n;
depends on your definition of agreement...
Stupid americans.
At least we didn't side with Hitler.
Alas, some of us did.
"Stupid americans"
...get in line
IBM?
A sad irony...
Or Prime Minister Toujo, for that matter.