“Japan Lags in Loli Ban” – UNICEF Lies Exposed?

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Finding themselves with nothing better to do for the moment, Japan’s politicians have been generating political capital by humouring moralist groups such as UNICEF, who have launched a hysterical crusade against what they see as lax laws on the part of Japan.

An opposition diet member (of the Koumeito – a major religious party run by a Buddhist sect) recently petitioned the government for even more laws, meaning against loli manga and similar: “We’d like the government to assist with all its energy in bringing these laws to pass” – and Prime Minister Rozen Aso, himself having a Catholic background, responded positively “We must proactively deliberate upon the matter”.

Rather more interesting than the vapid posturing of politicians out for their names is the critical response we see on the Internet, particularly on 2ch. A quite extensive body of statistics and other evidence disputing the anti-freedom of expression camp has come to be commonly presented, so looking at some of this is probably of interest.

I should caution that these statistics are assembled by partisans (just as are those assembled by the other side of the argument); since you can read the scaremongering side of things anywhere, not least on UNICEF’s pages, here I only present evidence (accredited, of course) from 2ch:

UN Statistics for 2000: Rapes per 100,000 people:

Canada 78.08 “Simple Possession”, Loli Manga Banned
Australia 77.79 “Simple Possession”, Loli Manga De Jure Banned
USA 32.05 “Simple Possession”, Loli Manga Banned (Constitutionally Invalid)
Sweden 24.47 “Simple Possession”, Loli Manga Banned
UK 16.23 “Simple Possession”, Loli Manga, BDSM to be Banned
France 14.36 “Simple Possession”
S. Korea 12.98 “Simple Possession”
Germany 9.12 “Simple Possession”
Russia 4.78
Taiwan 4.08
Japan 1.78 “Simple Possession” (Just introduced)

“Simple Possession” laws refer to just possessing pictures being a crime – actually producing/distributing the pictures is a crime in all these jurisdictions.

Note that the selection of countries here is provided by 2ch (I added in Australia as it is of interest), and so naturally has an agenda. See them for yourself, or alternatively check the UNSD.

It seems that it is the rest of the world which lags Japan…

Does Child Pornography Foster Sex Crime?

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Source: National Police Agency – Rape Statistics

Total Crimes Minors Under Primary School Age Primary School Middle School Minors Over Middle School Age
1960 2533 54 428 479 1572
1965 3135 76 414 626 2019
1970 1996 29 169 274 1524
1975 3704 1718 29 225 308 1156
1980 2610 1117 19 143 210 745
1985 1802 855 4 126 224 501
1990 1548 702 2 55 91 554
1995 1500 606 1 45 71 489
2000 2260 1006 4 60 146 796
2005 2076 875 3 41 165 666
2006 1948 808 3 46 151 608

“Loli material, whether as young idols, loli manga, eroge or similar, only started to become common in Japan during the mid 1980s. The first ban of such material was in 1999.”

“You may be able to trick people starved of information, but you can’t trick the Net.”


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    Comment by Anonymous
    13:00 18/04/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Well, I sent a letter, I hope everyone does, to their local MP, Senator, Overseer, or whatever leads you in your town, (adjusted for the case in question)

    To whom it may concern,

    Recently, it has come to my attention that viewing cartoons representing crimes was a crime in and of itself. With that regard in mind, I wish to admit accomplice to murder because I watched an episode of the cartoon "The Simpsons" in which a character, one Milhouse, was killed by the school board faculty member during a "Halloween special". I wish to report this crime to you, and have copied a form sent to the police station, in accordance with the new local law set by (case and or constitutional amendment). I have heard in the United States a man has received 20 years in prison for not reporting a comparatively minor crime as pornography when depicted in a cartoon, and so for crimes of a more serious nature, such as murder, I will aim to keep you, and the police force, informed to make sure the sick bastards who watch this get their due. I expect a due diligance investigation to take place, my tax dollars are to be well spent protecting the integrity of fictional cartoon characters everywhere and to crucify the bastards who would dare try to kill them. After all, cartoon violence is just as linked to first degree murder as cartoon porn is to rape, so I hope to see everyone who aided in this crime put in the slammer.

    PS: I know for a fact my neighbor is an accomplice to this murder, and there is likely to be vigilante justice for this sort of complacency, he was laughing as the murder took place. Laughing! I am willing to testify against him, check the records on his system, you will see the offending episode.

    I will not rest until fictional violence, be it cartoon or movie, is completely removed! Or, of course, (court case/constitutional law) is overturned, since if it is allowed to be cruel to cartoon characters, there is no fault.

    I leave this message Anonymous, in the spirit of the concerned average citizen.

    ~Anon

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:40 20/03/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    666 lol...well loli BDSM or pretty much BDSM in general is abit extreme...and shouldn't be recorded in videos or books.

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    Comment by tingle
    21:17 12/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    numbers don't lie, when you fap you are later to tired to rape.

    Comment by Anon The Czar
    05:36 16/02/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Simply put: My thoughts on lolicon range around "Don't give a banana phone" and "Let it bleed to death". What you dudes all dig is your business; I have some standards as to what to fap to, and loli(precisely any girl that's not 14+, but whatever) goes against it. That does not mean that I avoid stuff with loli content in it (e.g. Kodomo No Jikan was awesome, loli service or not, though IMO the manga seems to be against lolicons when you look at the twisted relationship shown much later between [SPOILER] and [SPOILER]).

    In fact, I won't worry about this hulabaloo; I'll just let fate decide.

    P.S. Oh, and Schoolmizus suck too.

    Comment by freedomforce29
    08:15 05/01/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    being a loli fan I can believe its the taking away that's going to encourage it. Seriously? if someone took your mags er whatever you probably go for second best? right? well, in this case you take their loli, the "second-best" thing would be unfortunately a REAL minor.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:45 07/01/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Funny. If they figure that loli is the cause of young children sexual abuse, then why don't they ban smoking as it is a PROVEN cause of cancer deaths of the smoker and those around the smoker. They might as well also ban alcohol for being a PROVEN cause of drunk driving accidents as well. We just can't have good things anymore :(

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    Comment by Miroku74
    05:58 07/01/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    They did ban alcohol in the US almost ninety ago. It was called the Eighteenth Amendment to the US Constitution.... Prohibition. And of course, we all see how THAT worked *rolls eyes* :D.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:28 08/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Argueing that alcohol needs to be unbanned is much easier, don't you think?

    Comment by ddn
    18:23 21/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    What once enters internet, never comes off it. Better gather lots of data and set it on RAID-0. A Lifetime supply, just in case. =D

    Comment by Mereck
    04:37 13/02/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well... got on it late with the new rapelay pull of from amazon article, but I'd like to notify you that Loli manga are also (indirectly) banned in France.
    If you are curious about it, it is the article 227-23 of our penal code.
    It is stating that possessing "sexual representation of minor" or regularly visiting website with such content is penalized of 2 years imprisonment and a 30.000€ fine (38,000 US dollars or so).

    Comment by SasaMisa
    08:19 13/02/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    There was me thinking France respected Article 10 of ECHR more than Britain - I guess not.

    Comment by cloner4000
    04:21 17/01/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    There is hardly any proof that Lolicon really caused all the rape per say. Like in US or other countries, Anime wasn't popular till around beginning of 2000. So instead of trying to figure out the reason behind all this. They opt the easy way out. As long as they appear to be doing something, people will be satisfied. And Who's too stand in their way? A bunch of Otakus? surely they don't give a damn or think they are any threat. Really..quite pathetics. their are close to 1 billion people who are suffer from some sort of malnutrition right now. Do something about that please

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    Comment by MaidNiac
    01:02 14/02/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Odd.., the number of minors rapings in the 60-70's were extremely high. Could it be because minor sex was legal that time or does it had something to do with the Hippies trend?

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:01 24/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Japan has long stood fast on the same censorship, and has been the fastest declining sexual violence crime rate in the world.

    Japanese censorship rules, adult material is allowed under the condition it is properly censored and no genital areas are displayed uncensored, language is mild but uncencored in any case. This includes martial viewable by adults and children.

    Further more, "loli" or "Lolicon" is not actually i type of adult material, but material in which a younger person under 16 is viewed as sexually attractive usually by obsessive innocence being the primary attraction. Semi adult "loli" scenes are newer but often follow similar restrictions.

    The thing about Japans opponents in these debates, they heavily censor all material, but also have far higher crime rates.

    My personal Verdict, Maybe The world needs to worry less about Japans ways, and try to understand why the looser nature of Japans ways are breeding generation less likely statistically to commit such crimes.

    My theory, Younger more innocent people becoming aware of such things before they fully understand them, may help them to understand on a subconscious level, that they are wrong. This would effectively increase the morality of people, and leave less question on the morality of entertainment content.

    This may in fact me very wrong, but is only a theory from an outsider. Regardless Stats have always placed Japan as one of the lowest crime rate countries in the world, and as having one of the highest average intelligence levels in the world.

    My Suggestion, and I am happy to be quizzed on why,(lorddeville@yahoo.co.uk) Maybe countries should think less about making Japan like them, and more about being like Japan, as it is meeting the aims they continuously fail at.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:51 05/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If you expose a man to grandma porn since he was 5 years old, do you think he would be obsessed with gradnmas? NO!! He would be scarred for life and probably turn gay!!

    The truth is that there is as much grandma porn as there is loli porn on the internet, and by the femnazis logic, the grandma porn should have offsetted the loli porn, which it didn't.

    Therefore banning Loli will NOT have any effect on what a man's inborn desires are. Femnazis FTL.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:06 16/11/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    fuck yourslef

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:30 07/12/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    PLease read the data carefully... it speaks about REPORTED crimes. This means that if you live in a crappy country, there will be no tell about your rape..
    HOW CAN ITALY be above turkey, tunisia when 75% of the rapers there are moroccoan, turkish, or comes from tunisia????!!!!!

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    Comment by Hakunoe
    08:42 13/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    damn all those nub out there for doing such thing to little girls and women but i still wonder the chart sure seem high for crimes

    Comment by Ryuujin
    01:52 23/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I live in sweden and i possess loli manga, COPS GONNA GET ME!

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:15 21/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Poor graph is poor. Its based on raw values for crime statistics, which does not take into account either estimated report rates OR population increases. I dont know the data for Japan, but I know the US has doubled in population since 1960, and I imagine Japan, which suffered FAR more casualties from WW2 than the US, and thus would be susceptible to a relatively large increase in population, would have at least been the same. So taking into account the raw data over the increase in population, combined with higher reporting rates over time (which is a general trend), Most likely Japan's sex crime RATE has been in a freefall for the last several decades. In addition, since the lolicon ban of 1999, the sex crime values for minors, which is what the lolicon banned hoped to resolve, fell SLOWER than the overall sex crime values, suggesting there's a third influence that affected sex crime in general (perhaps improved investigation, prosecution, and incarceration or rehabilitation for sexual offenses in general?), and that the lolicon ban specifically didnt necessarily have any appreciable effect.
    In addition, psychology has always shown that rape is about power and violence more than sex in general anyway, the very idea that porn causes rape is flawed.
    I personally do not enjoy lolicon for being lolicon, although I don't automatically pass on it if it includes a fetish I do enjoy. Most of my experiences have been more negative than positive however. That being said, I don't think it either encourages the distribution of real child porn nor sex acts with children, both of which disgust me. If a person enjoys it, and it doesn't harm anyone else, I believe its their right to watch/read it. Perhaps some of the posters are right, and occasionally it gives potential pedophiles an outlet for sexual frustration when otherwise they would become actual pedophiles. Regardless, I don't think it is outright harmful, nor should it be blanket banned.

    Comment by anonymous
    11:19 15/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    on the issue of sexual crimes being related to pornography, various studies of have indicated no links conclusive or otherwise between the two, with the exception of one study (malamuth, addison, and cross, 2001). So the conclusion that must be drawn with the avalible data is those individuals that commit sex crimes because they view pornography but view pornography because those tendencies are already present. Also according to the U.S. Department of Justice, 2005 the rate of rape per 1000 persons ages 12 and over has been steadily decreasing over the years while the amount of pornography is increasing by 266 websites per day (Good Magazine). Now I know none of this data relates specifically to child pornography and sexual abuse I couldn't find any information that wasn't made up. So yeah if you want to talk about this sort of stuff come with facts and not just opinions.
    sources
    1970, President's Commission on Pornography
    AGCOP, 1986
    Bauserman, 1998
    Bogaert, 2001

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:27 26/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's stupid, if they think drawing lolicon is that bad, then drawing an assassination is even worse, since in most countries 3rd grade murder is considered an even more agravating crime!

    I hate people how love to blame other things for the human nature!! A molester is BORN, not made....it's scientifically proved that these people have a different brain function. That means, anything can trigger the criminal instincts in these people, if it's not lolicon it certainly WILL be other thing!

    They really should put some effort in combating real criminals instead of doing silly things like that.

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    Comment by Halconnen
    02:43 01/01/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Or, like, because it's unicef and stuff, they could spend the money that people donate to them to expand, like, the food infrastructure in third world countries so less children have to starve, instead trying to push nonsensical laws through Japan with lots of PR and marketing.

    Do those people even know what they're doing anymore?

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:05 27/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    You mean get off our lazy asses and do something!!!!!!!!????????
    Are you insane? Nuts? Or just a friggin retard? It is more profitable to play the blame game!
    Our last Pres. thought investing in child medical was a waste of money! He put it in to war and there was much capitalizing!
    Thats It! A war on lolicon we can make a fortune. Look like we are moral gods!
    All those reports on child rapes and kidnapping oh and don't forget the murders. Screw That! There is no way we can make money on combating this! A Ban is the only thing that will save our Dammed souls. And make some money off of some poor slob who gets caught with it.
    Remember if you rape you can get out with good behavior possibly within two years.
    Just to repeat taxpayers pay for the stay and pockets get money.
    Of course this is just an example of what I read and hear.. I love the Otaku culture I am one and this definitely the wrong way of dealing with this issue.
    sorry Anon your statement needed a little force with it.

    the reason why this stuff happens is because no one has a voice any more we have no organization.
    And if we did the so called MORAL THAN THOU will make a bigger mess than what they do already.

    Comment by LOL
    06:45 12/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    And japan's suicide rate SKYROCKETS... AGAIN!

    Comment by mazinga
    05:57 29/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    say a young boy knows about loli or was sneaking off and so on is he considered a pedophile.
    or say a 13 year old and so on since there young and they considered a pedophile.? why does UNICEF keep on wanting to get into peoples privacy if they want to do what they want then ok stop digging into peoples stuff.
    i wouldn't be surprised if the guy who runs UNiDEF(sucks they steal Halloween money) looks at loli. i'm just hating as they say yet i do enjoy my batch of loli every now and then, and theirs to many of us to be stopped.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:04 17/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    It seems like UNICEF and agnes only care about media attention than giving two shits about actual children.

    Why fight so hard to give animated characters(that never existed in the first place)human rights when the humans that actually exist are told to go fuck themselves if they ask for help?

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:14 11/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Summary of main points:
    1) They are analyzing the wrong set of data for rape rates across nations. Furthermore, the survey methodology was questionable.
    2) A more relevant section in the same survey gives significantly different results.
    3) A different survey, which sought to identify # of victims, gave results in which Japan somewhere near the top of the list (the very top belonged to the USA). Granted, this survey had its own issues, but it is probably underestimating the rape rate in Japan compared to other countries.

    Detailed data and reasoning:
    The statistics used in the compilation is of poor quality, and somewhat misleading, for the following reasons:
    1) It does not represent what people seem to be thinking. Going through the pdf from the UNODC (which is where the data is hosted...the UNSD link seems to be a mistake), it seems that the numbers in the table is the # of rapes reported, not the numbers convicted and is therefore extremely prone to variations in reporting rates (to put things in context, I especially recommend that you take a look at the grand total of reported crimes (rates) for all crimes: there are some obvious outliers that would be difficult to explain away...and also shifts of almost three orders of magnitude in the three years from 1998 to 2000 in a politically stable country). i.e. any data in the compilation needs to be taken with a grain of salt and an understanding of the context.
    2) The rate of convictions for rape/10000 shows very different values for some countries (I'm looking at Canada: only about 10% of the reported cases end in convictions, compared to Japan's ~33% conviction rate for the same crime).
    3) The number of cases reported and the number of rape convictions both depend on the social stigma associated with rape victims, if any exists. For that, I would like to shift your attention to a different survey aimed at assessing crime rates, also administered by an UN agency: in this case the UNCRI. According to the data from the ICVS survey, which seeks to gather information on victims, the disparity between Japan and other countries in question is greatly reduced (0.8% for Japan and Canada, 1.4 for USA, 1.3 for Norway, 0.3 for France, etc.).
    4) In the ICVS survey mentioned in 3, the researchers noted that it is likely that the greater the equality for women in a country, the more likely they are to report incidents to the surveyors. Furthermore, that particular section is somewhat more unstable over the years than other crimes surveyed. I would like to further add to the latter point that Japan's 8-fold jump from 0.1% in 1999 to 0.8% in 2003-2004 is by far the largest jump in magnitude with one exception: Ireland's rate jumped from 0.1% to 1.2% in the same period.
    5) More about the ICVS survey: if social stigma on the issue exists in Japan, as the large difference between the # reported to police, the # convicted, and the # reported to the surveyors seem to indicate, the methodology of ICVS is likely to promote under-reporting in Japan with respect to other industrialized countries. To be specific, Japan is unique among the developed countries surveyed in that the subjects are interviewed face to face, as opposed to through the telephone.

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    Comment by ayu-kun
    20:46 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    and when GTA gets banned.....

    hell breaks loose.

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    Comment by kaineer
    14:54 25/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    i'm not sure though, that statistics for Russia are valid too,
    'cause crimes 'in soviet russia' are not so often reported
    and the more humiliating the crime is the less is posibility
    that victim will tell 'bout it.

    Comment by BranGor
    23:47 16/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    I live in Canada

    raep get (☞゚∀゚)☞

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    Comment by Anonymous
    23:29 16/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    I smell conspiracy..... Smells really bad and stinky.....

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    Comment by maru
    23:28 16/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    I find the last sentence very cool ^^

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    Comment by Kageryu
    05:46 17/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Likewise, you can't trick the net, bitches.

    Comment by kenjiharima
    00:25 17/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hmm...interesting...

    Comment by Endz
    00:36 17/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wait...

    isn't 90% of the Japanese manga "Loli?" So they will ban 90% of the manga?

    Or just those obscene Lolis?

    It is considered loli till they reach the adult age of 18 right?

    Comment by lelouch11
    10:59 05/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol one judge in US said that it doesnt matter if its real or not and sentenced a guy to 20 years
    so according to that if we watch a movie and someone gets killed...we will be charged with assistance in murder since we watched didnt do nothing and even enjoyed the scene........i tell you ppl world is getting more and more fucked up by the second

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:44 27/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not the world lelouch 11 just english speaking and American influenced countries.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:07 19/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    It is considered loli if the character "looks" under 18.

    Which constitutes 90% of female manga characters.

    Thus, the case.

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    Comment by Halconnen
    02:36 01/01/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Of course there is no relation at all to the fact that Japanese girls do look 'younger' to western eyes.

    Er, anyway. Does this specifically cover explicit stuff? Or also suggestive stuff? Anything else? What?

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:16 27/01/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Say hello to the onee-chan type characters.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:39 17/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Man, wtf Canada, I thought you guys were supposed to be the nicer side of America. I am actually kind of impressed.

    Comment by would
    01:43 17/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Add Poland to your lists of “Simple Possession” being a crime. Since this month being in possession of any animated pictures which show a person supposedly under 16 in a sexual pose (not only naked and sex but also showing panties etc.) is considered the same as raping such person. Catholic political parties banzai...

    Comment by would
    01:52 17/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Of course i mean simple possession of animated pictures started to be crime this month. real ones were banned from soon after the world war,

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    Comment by Bastille
    02:06 17/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    The answer is simple then. Just don't have any pictures where the person is under 16, though I do think that attributing an age to an animated character and following it is a bit ridiculous.

    It'd cut out a lot of generic lolicon, but you'd still be free to go after characters like Shana, Louise, Konata, Eva from Negima, etc.

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    Comment by Artefact

    Most of these laws have "resemblance" clauses which pretty much scotch your idea.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:33 17/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Guess Dizzy (Guilty Gear) off limits then? (3 years old, supposedly...)

    Comment by would
    07:06 17/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    The most funny thing is that they will even have to ban Paprika movie because it features naked 12 years old girl although painted from behind. I don't care about lolicon stuff because don't have such but almost all hentai are also banned. Most interesting is how they are going to recognise which show has under-aged "cast"

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:14 17/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Haha. My country aint gives shit about this. Rape ofc is a crime, but possessing drawed loli pictures is not.
    Hooray for Hungary!!

    Comment by Philo
    00:47 17/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    They're gonna have to catch me first!! *Jumps out the window*

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