Amazon Bans Lolicon & Fetish Manga; AV, Eroge, Follow?


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    Comment by metatron
    22:32 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    I wonder what made Amazon Japan to make a decision to ban such items...and only now O.o

    Comment by Yoneda
    02:06 11/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    That is wondrous indeed! It is one thing to decide not to stock certain products, but another to suddenly throw things out you have stocked before...

    Comment by Yoneda
    19:49 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    I am surprised that noone has mentioned the effects on the artists yet.

    There are probably quite a few artists out there who will start thinking a bit closer about what kind of manga they are going to draw, now that they know they could lose some major sellers if their works end up being considered risky. Amazon is not only a platform for buying things, but also one to gather information about them. I myself often visit the Amazon entries of products to read customer reviews although I later buy them at a different online shop. So every artist considered inacceptable may lose a lot of advertisement which would lead to fewer people knowing about his or her product which would lead to a drop in sales of course. Or at least the artists in question will fear that case.

    So even if you don't consider Amazon's behavior censorship, it could nevertheless tempt artists to censor their own ideas, even before bringing them to paper. And censorship done by the artists themselves is probably the worst kind of censorship, as you can't even protest against it...

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:57 11/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Exactly.
    What you refer to is called "chilling effect", and is a common way to censor something without appearing to actually censor it. Similar to how mafia coerce their victims without doing anything technically illegal, through use of implied threats.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    16:28 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fuckers, I hope they lose a lot of money by this...

    Comment by BuggyBY
    09:59 11/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    This sucks, just when I was starting to seriously contemplate getting a japanese mail-forwarding address for the kind of purchases Amazon inexplicably refuses to ship abroad ... I don't want to have to rely on yahuoku & co.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:27 14/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    you do that, it still has to pass through customs

    enjoy getting v&

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    Comment by Tyciol
    01:11 18/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    W2G Amazon, fucking morons.

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    Comment by Katameido
    02:14 02/02/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Amazon encourages illegal smugglings and torrent sharings..

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:23 16/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Check out Amazon.jp

    They still sell the stuff mentioned above, but cannot be shipped OUTSIDE Japan.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:14 27/01/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    coprophagia... lol wow havnt heard of stuff like that, very crazy stuff haha ^^;

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:17 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Of course they can choose what to sell and what not: it's THEIR website.

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    Comment by Simon Jones
    12:58 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Considering the obscenity case in Iowa involving imported manga -which may have been purchased from Amazon Japan- this may very well be a policy change ordered directly by top Amazon brass.

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    Comment by Simon Jones
    13:29 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    I should add, that's assuming if this policy is actually real. Maybe a newscaster named Ayaka just filed a complaint...

    Comment by kenjiharima
    08:28 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Must be a propaganda to license all those stuff in the US for more profit or Japan is just hogging all there perverted stuff. This will cause world war III I tell you.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:13 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh yeah, because the smelly basement nerds of Japan and America have the power to instigate a war large enough to encompass the whole world.

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    Comment by kebrus
    11:05 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    fortunately not everyone in the world is like you, some still believe they do make a difference...

    today they ban loli manga and other stuff from their catalog, tomorrow you can't buy porn because "someone" believes it does you harm...

    sure this isn't enough to cause a war, but try to scale it up a little and you have enough reasons for it...

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    Comment by XSportSeeker
    08:09 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is just sad... the economy is already going back to the dark ages, culture seems to be following suit.

    The main issue on the whole deal is that not only the government, but now also major retailers are using their powers to select what people can and cannot have access to.

    I don't care how they call it, but since they have absolutely no evidence that loli manga and stuff can cause harm to people, there is only one word to define such actions: censorship.

    And it really doesn't matter if you like loli stuff or not, because if people accepts what's happening now, the next censored publication just could be something people like.

    It's really sad how moralism seems to be gaining more fuel these days due to false assumptions.

    It's a mistake to think that society and culture are always evolving... instead, it seems that we always come back to the same problems.

    Our history is filled with stories of censorship that used something that is not accepted by the majority on a specific period of time.
    Censorship that inevitabily proved useless to the purposes it was meant to.

    Talking about books with "pagan" content, then with "revolutionary" content, regular pornographic material, rock 'n roll (the music of the devil), too much eroticism in movies, too much violence in movies and cartoons, violence and sex in games, and so forth.

    Banning loli manga, I'm willing to bet, will have NO EFFECTS whatsoever on crimes related to child abuse.

    We're so prompt to criticize when extremist religious countries plead to ban some sort of media because it goes against their beliefs, yet here we are, acting just like them.

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    Comment by FallsFromGrace
    18:23 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    This isn't censorship, the works still exist and will be available to most of the fans from other sources.

    As such I have no problem with a megacorp making a moral decision to not trade in something and so loosing money, regardless of whether I personally like the work or not.

    If more businesses choose to not make as much money by following their principals rather than profit the world would be in a better state.

    If it was the other way round and a company decided to pander to the masses for profit they would get flamed for that too.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:23 21/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    It is not a censorship by Amazon, perhaps, however there are still many groups, such as Equality Now, which are indeed trying to censor these items.

    They too much start one piece at a time; Amazon was just one of the first to be hit.

    It really is a shame seeing these kinds of actions. Not only do such groups seem unable to see the other sides of the arguments they're fighting, but they have little to no evidence to support their own side.

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    Comment by Sorrior
    16:07 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well more like the orlas are going 1950s us stereotype. In the iddle ages say hello to pregger 12 or 13 year olds. It wasn't until the victorian period that such things became wrong. Although most people would argue that kind oif thinking. To paraphrase puar i belive was her name fdrom dbz sex is beautiful.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:59 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh yes, because it is censorship to CHOOSE to NOT SELL certain items. McDonalds doesn't stock copies of Yotsuba Cums to School: ZOMG!! SENSERSHEEP!1!

    Comment by anon
    09:15 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nice post, if a little overdramatic, but well typed and etc. Shame about the asshole below it.

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    Comment by Jarmel
    07:49 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wow it seems like this is the start of a world wide crackdown.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:37 11/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    wow it seems like this is the end of the world

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    Comment by pmhoa
    08:05 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    rape and all the other shit are banned?
    wow nice! now i can buy hentai manga witouth going /wrist

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    Comment by Artefact

    Try reading the article?

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:42 18/03/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "centre around forcibly deflowering reluctant schoolgirls to see that"

    you should re-write this...you know they're just normal AV actress or some random 19+ girl they find to get deflowered, but that line you wrote makes it sound like it's underage material

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    Comment by Crisu
    08:07 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Kodomo no Jikan doesn't count, right? It's not actually porn...

    If they banned Kojika, they'd have to ban Moetan, too. And that's supposed to help people learn English. :P

    Comment by Garland
    08:52 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    And doing a damn fine job while at it! ;D

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:40 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Of course, this isn't an actual ban. It's just one store's policies.

    This will only mean more sales for dedicated online eromanga and lolicon sellers, since there's less competition from the (hard to beat) Amazon.

    Comment by butok
    12:10 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    it seems lik thers alot of ban...censorship going ard the world...

    Comment by Hectotane
    12:30 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    The pointmissers are missing the point here:

    The laws had been in place for a long while now. Instinctive "ass-coverage" is the reason. And politics being politics; it takes something a good decade to work for "the people."

    Not that Big Brother had stopped any of you before... How "big" IS this lost suppose to be for Amazon and others who take a stronger stance? Last I checked, the magic number for anime DVD sales is 10,000. And only around 5 titles can achieve that number. So let's say we divide that number by 10. That would probably be the total fanbase for the hardercore pro-pedophile works.

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    Comment by Xavi
    11:24 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sadly these days the news are quite dreadful on that front.

    More and more cases of strict censorship are applied to stores, websites and even whole nations/continents. As if genitalia censorship from Japan wasn't enough now we have complete ban of genres.

    I am very afraid that in future, things are going to turn quite bad....

    Comment by randomAnonymous
    09:26 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    way to fail, amazon

    Comment by lum4ever
    10:49 10/12/2008 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, Amazon JP's been at it for over half a year. I'm not sure if it's just them coming to the decision, cause other places like Hong Kong and Taiwan also stopped shipping not just hentai, but mature/adult manga and other merchandise at about the same time. Many suspect US Custom or Postal Office or Homeland Security has been applying pressure worldwide. But for your h manga import fix, you can still get some at Hobby Search or YesAsia. Play Asia seems to be still taking orders for risque figures. Coool.




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