American Faces 20 Years Over Loli Manga

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An Iowa manga enthusiast has been charged with possession of obscene materials, based on the allegation that of his collection of over a thousand volumes, a handful depict underage participants; he faces a prison sentence of up to 20 years if convicted under the PROTECT Act.

A free speech legal defence fund, the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund, has leapt to his defence, claiming the law is a flagrant violation of the First Amendment rights Americans enjoy to free speech; the CBLDF is scathing:

“The government is prosecuting a private collector for the possession of art. In the past, CBLDF has had to defend the First Amendment rights of retailers and artists, but never before have we experienced the federal government attempting to strip a citizen of his freedom because he owned comic books.”

The CBLDF is most unhappy about the assault on freedom of expression, and is now also concerned that the move represents an unprecedented extension in scope of a law previously targeting chiefly dealers of pornography:

“In the lengthy time in which I have represented CBLDF and its clients, I have never encountered a situation where criminal prosecution was brought against a private consumer for possession of material for personal use in his own home.

This prosecution has profound implications in limiting the First Amendment for art and artists, and comics in particular that are on the cutting edge of creativity. It misunderstands the nature of avant-garde art in its historical perspective and is a perversion of anti-obscenity laws.”

The PROTECT Act being used as a basis for the charges has already taken a beating in courts, with portions being ruled unconstitutional, but sections still retain validity.

In particular, for a guilty verdict to be rendered the jury will have to decide that the material concerned is “obscene”, which involves applying the so-called Miller test to allow the material to be stripped of First Amendment protection:

•    Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest.

•    Whether the work depicts/describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions specifically defined by applicable state law.

•    Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value. (This is also known as the (S)LAPS test- [Serious] Literary, Artistic, Political, Scientific).

In the past, application of these criteria has proven complex and highly controversial, so it remains to be seen what kind of decision the manga in question will prompt.

The PROTECT Act, an act containing a diverse jumble of “child protection” measures, itself has been the subject of much legal action, and it is still not clear to what extent it maintains the ability to target artistic or “virtual” material depicting underage participants.

We do not hear how the unfortunate individual in question came to the attention of authorities.

Via ICV2.

Another dangerous comic book enthusiast kept off the streets?

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  • Anonymous says:

    This nation is so screwed up. They allow homosexuality and prostitution to run free in this country. Beastality aka Furry is deemed weird but “okay”. This nation constantly pumps up females to wear barely nothing but men wear clothes down to their feet. BDSM runs rapid everywhere and the porn industry makes a living off lonely men that cheat off their gf’s/wives.

    But now this absurd attack on fictional literature is beyond ridiculous. Even more-so they want to penalize people with crimes for a cartoon character. People are being deemed as criminals for a simple non-exsistant character drawn with pencil and paper. Congratulations, America wants to persecute YOU the average anime otaku for imaginary people. They view you, otaku on the same level as a sick fuck.

    This will affect many comedies, slap-stick jokes and other varities. People will not be able to even create hip meme’s without them being considered crimes. Classic literature that existed would be removed. Figurines would no longer be in production.

    America is no longer treating the innocent as innocent, but as guilty as charged. These majority otaku are not criminals but are average fans who like different culture. Just as the fan who likes comic-book or the fan who likes video-games.

    By all means America should shut-down every single video-game on the market (especially all the M-Rated games) with the tatics that are being posed upon anime as they tried with GTA.

    If prudes get their way you can kiss all anime goodbye. If a show or manga even gives the slightest hint of fanservice it would be deemed illegal and otakus thrown in prison.

    Don’t allow this country based upon freedom to have freedom taken away from the rights of expression from its individuals.

  • Anonymous says:

    #Sigh#

    Anime people you may find yourselves soon in a hole if you don’t stand up for your rights. You will find many animes pulled off the shelves/videos that violate your freedom of expressions and imprisonment for shows as simple as Chobits.

    Do not understand a nation who wants to force homosexuality down everyone’s throats and call it ‘homophobic’ or ‘intolerant’ where they have homosexual sensitivity classes they force people to attend.

    Yet at the same time a fictional shows or mangas are being potrayed as tools of destruction enough that they want to send people to prison for it. For a paper and pencil drawings.

    Classic literature will be affected. Current anime shows will be affected and deemed illegal for simple fan-service which would render Strike-Witches illegal. Figurines would be illegal.

    If you don’t stand up for your rights you will all be treated as criminals. Don’t allow fictional artworks to be destroyed by biggots and haters of freedom of expression.

  • absolutely ridiculous, making a law against lolicon is completely wrong, the government is overstepping their bounds on this one, but …I wonder, would putting a disclaimer saying “all persons depicted in this video (or manga or image or whatever) are 18+” make it pointless to ban it anyway

  • the true danger of these insane persecutions (if there is not more to these stories)Is to the taxpayers. Once the right team of lawyers correlates the damages wrought to the defendant to the systematic training of the defendant to a predisposition to such media the system intended to defend actual minors will be ridiculed and sued.

    I was forced to sit in a school classroom for the majority of my days as a developing male in this country. My sexually formulative years were spent observing the forms of my teachers and classmates.
    The very essence of sexuality was programed as baseline in my teens to the ideals of beauty and sexuality.

    From B.B.W. to a petite gymnast,to a teddybear like furry, the human form plays a healthy roll in fantasy imaginings for the sake of self gratification, or as foreplay for consenting adults.

    Childhood is sacred and we must all perservere to protect children at all costs. Including protecting their liberties when they become adults.

  • Anonymous says:

    i love lolicon anime and manga but wish child molesters would get their balls cut off lit on fire buy the kids parents and than feed to dogs make it a pay per view event but what im saying is i love anime and manga and the way i see it its not even real and theirs a proven study that proves that people that watch porn are a lot less likely to rape any one??? and not only that but theses are fucking cartoons man its not fair that every thing awesome in the states has to be ripped out i hate pedos but love anime and manga and its true that i feel ashamed of my little fetish of lolicon anime but wtf i still have a furmbeleaf that one has nothing to do with the other and that fact that even after saying they know its not child porn they still in the end sentence say it might have a model thats real im sorry but wtf is all i can think of o and the funny part is i only like big boobed loud/foul mouthed wemon that are coogers lol go fig yet i still love lolicon anime and manga lol i hope they reconsider

  • So it’s completely fine to possess a drawing of a katana severing heads and limbs but not one with kids taking poses.
    Suppose you draw yourself, would you be arrested for possessing your own work?

  • The realy wierd thing is that while a hentai manga with loli’s would be considered child porn, so would the exact same story made into a movie be perfectly fine as long as the actors was of legal age, even if they looked like lolis. How can drawings be more illegal then a real movie?

  • Loli suki says:

    私はロシア人そして大好き日本
    でも大嫌いアメリカのコノヤロ
    Ваши ублюдки хотят запретитьロリコンそしてアニメショーン

  • OMFG what kind of stupid reatard law is that? a crime to have loli porno manga? MANGA? if it was real child pornography i would say “stupid but understandable” but MANGA!? for god sake some slap those guys on the face, they r in need of it to wake up!!!

  • The CBLDF was ready to take this one all the way but the poor dude cracked and plea bargained out on a couple of minor charges. He might face as little as 6 months in jail. The CBLDF is disappointed as they wanted to make this a test case but I can’t blame the guy. If the prosecutor came to me and said “You can roll the dice and face up to 20 years or we’ll slap you on the wrist with 6 months, released now on parole for time served, so that we don’t get dragged into a big embarrassing court battle”…what would YOU take?
    I mean, while the insane idea behind this is definitely something that has a good chance of being successfully challenged (can an mystery book reader be charged with murder?), but the prosecutors would like to keep that “20 years hard” club to use to get quick plea bargains.
    My recommendation, and IANAL, and this is a joke:
    Don’t read loli hentai–you could get 20 years. Go molest an actual real loli–average sentence 7, out in 3. True.
    Now THAT’S fucked up.

  • freedomforce29 says:

    My own question is this “HOW THE FUCK DOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN?!?!?!?!?”

    How do they (fucking gov’s) know about you’re stash? It’s like “Hello’ your friendly goverment agent wants to come in and search your house against your will and with this meaningless search warrant so that we can convict you of being a fetishists!

    Honestly, how DO they know?

    Loli fan x3 i’m only 13! goverment cant trace me though ~i think~ i use top notch security.

  • Sorry I’m posting so late to this thread, but I only just found this site/thread. I think it comes down to how you define ‘obscene’:

    ob·scene
    adj.
    1. Offensive to accepted standards of decency or modesty.
    2. Inciting lustful feelings; lewd.
    3. Repulsive; disgusting: “The way he writes about the disease that killed her is simply obscene” Michael Korda.
    4. So large in amount as to be objectionable or outrageous: “local merchants in nearby stores get hammered by stratospheric rents and obscene taxes” Joe Queenan.

    So basically, the crime is based apon the same principles as public decency or dress codes, -or- how the immages make one feel. If decency is the issue, then mailing playboy magazine would be a crime as well, so it must be the ‘inciting of lustful feelings’ oh wait, that still would make playboy magazine illegal. The fact is that concidering a drawing of something that would be a crime if it was real to be a crime as well because you find it offencive is rediculous. If the values of puritans of the 1600’s were applied in this way then an issue of Forbes with a Female CEO on the cover would be seen as Obscene, and to think that the views of one group are more valid than anothers, no matter how much smaller the group, dosen’t allow you to declair art criminal based upon the thoughts it provokes. If it was a photo of an actual act, or you could show that the art was the direct cause or result of an actual crime, you might strech the law to ban it, but then you would have to ban the GTA video games, and any horror movie ever to inspire a nutjob to kill someone.

  • It’s all bias, the whole thing. Let the guy buy a couple comics with doodled kids. Otherwise, he might just go and strip them himself… in an alley. No offense to him or any lolicons or shotacons, but it’s the safest vent anyone has.

    And define an average American’s morals? Every American says the word “fuck,” but it’s still an unfashionable, ya? There are people with feet fetishes, and those who don’t, but does every 30/40 year old businesswoman every come out with that sort of thing? Not at all…

    That, and the “artistic value” of anything is absolute bull right there, yo. You can’t slap a moral or a theme about politics on something that it’s not intended for.

    If a guy needs a fix, lethim get it for thirty bucks with shipping than eight thousand dollars on an auctioned-off CANDY VAN.

    Sheesh. Tl;dr, sorry!

  • Seriously, if they can’t even stop the porn businesses in America, what right do they have to stop a man from buying some manga?
    Next they will be going after books and movies in general because they offend some people.
    What happened to a free freakin’ country?

  • Quite sorry to post this so late, but I’ve just recently found this site, and came across this topic today. Just to clarify matters, this man was caught when the post office ILLEGALLY opened up a box or wrapping on a volume of lolicon manga, right? There are no laws conserning any rights the federal government has to examine mail of that nature that I’m aware of, if it was explosives or drugs and they had trained police sniffing dogs sniff it that’s one thing, because that’s true reasonable suspicion(and VERY bad luck), but there is no way a “package” like that could arouse reasonable suspicion. We are talking about America, how many people do you expect to know how to read kanji/kana that don’t need to deal with Japanese or Japan? This, unlike what most people believe, is NOT a First Amendment issue, it is a Fourth Amendment and Fifth Amendment issue, or should be argued as such if they expect to get the charges dismissed. This is a BLATANT violation of his Constitutional rights to be secure of his house and papers, as well as his right to not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.

    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    If he can prove to the court that they unlawfully opened his package, then all evidence they went to find because of that lead is automatically dismissed. I don’t claim to be a lawyer, just a guy who knows most of his rights under the Constitution. However, it’s unfortunate that it is a Fourth and Fifth Amendment issue, in one way because it won’t change their minds about 2D and 3D drawn images of underage people or seemingly underage. But it might slightly safeguard transport of such material for a short while anyways. I agree with everyone here about drawn depictions of underage or adult petanko don’t harm anyone, no harm no foul, though it is unfortunate that this will also help protect photographic child porn. BUT this is the post office and the police’s screw up, because they used ILLEGAL methods to attain their evidence, and seems to be well documented as to that was how they attained their evidence, the charges should fail in court horribly. I may hang around the forums more, I may not, it all depends on the circumstances. I just hope that the man doesn’t have to take this up to the Supreme Court to get all this BS cleared up for him.

    • Sigh…after I go on a rant, I looked at CBLDF’s website and found out that they got a search warrant, I still find it unreasonable that they managed to get the search warrant for said package of 7 manga volumes, but it all depends on whether the postal inspector could reasonably have known that they HAD questionable content on them in the first place. That being a number of things, first being was the package damaged already and therefor was able to see something that made him suspicious, though on that count again, I don’t see how unless it was a real revealing cover art with tits in the corners of the cover. Now I don’t know how the Japanese mail their stuff but I’m willing to bet that on international transit they box them, stuff them with some form of packing popcorn, and then tape them up. Unlikely that they could be able to see inside it without having to do something to the package themselves. Second being that if the package wasn’t damaged then he would have had to have known that the address on the package belonged to a publisher of said “questionable” material, depending on if the return address on the package was in English or Japanese then well, he would have to know Japanese to make it reasonable. All in all it stinks very bad still, and the information on the CBLDF website’s news article doesn’t seem to indicate that they got a search warrant for searching his home as well as searching the package. That is all I have to say on this I guess, except for I stuck my foot in my mouth real good with my first post on this site. :/

  • Sorry for the anonymity… any truly fair treatment under the laws of the USA (which has imposed it’s “morality” on the rest of the world for decades) would handle all “potential” crimes equally. What the anti-pornography (all kinds) movement claims as benefit (prevention of crimes against persons by “users” of porn) should be applied to all “potential” criminals: gun owners, drivers of automobiles, smokers in proximity to non-smokers, etc. In each example above, the result of the “potential” crime may be DEATH to other persons. Yet, the Holier-than-thou conservative USA considers only “potential” sex as a danger to people.

    In the USA, if any effort were made to prosecute ‘regular’ gun owners because they “might” kill someone with one of their guns some day, there would be a violent revolution against the prosecuting entity. But it is not only OK to harass and imprison “potential” child molesters, it is considered God’s will. Crimes of thought are more dangerous than the power to instantly (or slowly, painfully) kill anyone near you.

    My advice, get all the 2d loli you can now, by all means possible, for it won’t be around long. (Oh, and learn how to hide it pretty good, too, or you might not be around long, either.)

  • This is just further reaon for me to say VIVA LE REVOLUTION! I mean i’m sorry but wtf it’s a comic i myself am a lolicon but that dose NOT make me a pedophile i think that people who do that should be killed mercilessly like the woman who burned her rapist. But sadly in the us to many peole wig out.

    • Sorrior, pedophiles do not necessarily ‘do that’. A lolicon is someone who thinks lolis are cute/pretty/etc. A pedophile is someone who is totally fixated on that (with real lolis, and the prepubescent kind not the pubescent kind). The dad in Lucky Star for example says he’s “also a lolicon” meaning that he’s not a pedo, because he has standard interests as well. The same applies to Arks from Moetan. They totally wig out for lolis, but at the same time it’s not like they feel nothing for normal women. People who paint guys like that as pedos are usually just not attractive to anybody so they want to hate on someone. But anyway, call the ones who ‘do’ things by the name of their crime, not an associated paraphilia.

  • EPIC PHAIL… sigh… another poor, innocent soul gets prosecuted when the REAL criminals/CP makers/terrorists/killers are out there… Misplaced Priority, anyone? In b4 “FBI raids Anime Convention, releases convicted terrorist”

  • The CBLDF is a great organization. If the CBLDF existed fifty years ago, then American comics would never have suffered from decades of harsh Comics Code censorship, and would be as equally developed an artform as Japanese and European comics.

  • Oh man! This really saddens me for the way this world is taking. Instead of seek for real pedophiles who do real harm to real children, they seems to seeks this kind of stuff because, probably, is easier for them. *sigh*

    And see how every thing htat seems to have even the slightest sexual connotation, such as the sukumizu in animation, is censored while all the violence is leaved alone and in peace.

    Now I’m getting really worried about the society, and, even, be afraid on what could happen in a future. I don’t want to be repressed.

  • So buying loli manga and importing them from Japan breaks some “child protection” laws while downloading the same content (whether you paid the artist for it or not) does not? This is ridiculous!

    Not to speak of being one law that actually encourages internet piracy…

    • Well, you’d figure they’d want to encourage putting these artists out of business since they think they’re the devil or something, because obviously all lolicon art is done so that viewers can become sexually aroused by the suffering of innocents… *rolleyes*

      People become messed up with logic when it comes to piracy and these issues. Like apparently, downloading MP3s for free destroys the music industry, but those guys going to jail for getting free CP were funding the abuse industry with their happy feelings, because that’s what pays the bills.

    • Internet= grey area.
      There are very few internet laws, so just don’t bother bringing into how ‘unfair’ things are compared to internet laws.
      It’s better this way but won’t last much longer.

  • furin kazan says:

    What is the definition for transporting obscence materials? how about if post office found a japanese young looking gal sex doll? They might think it is odscence materials…& charged like this poor man…..how about online transporting images,…….

    • see 18 U.S.C. §§ 1461, 2 its long. But the gist is that something has to be mailed for it to be considered to be transported. This does not, however, protect you from charges of distributing obscenity over the internet. see http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/10/05/porn/ for an example of this.

      TL:DR you can download loli for personal use but you can’t
      A. distribute it within the U.S. ( this means on U.S. based servers)

      B. Transport it in any way using any mail system in the United States.

      DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer please, do not take this as sound legal advice

      • It doesn’t really matter what obscure ways of getting some you can surmise that you THINK can beat the system (which I would not put my trust in, prosecuters are creative), but the fact is: the system is out to get loli, so the safe bet is to just not have it, period. Furthermore, coming up with this stuff just makes people think they can sit on their ass, when they really can’t, because the man is coming for them. Nobody will wake up when you paint a false comforting scene.

      • I really don’t get this law because it seems like there would be a lot more people in trouble. I bought Range Murata’s Throwline from someone (in the US this time) and you could say there is some suggestive underage pictures in there (though, there’s no sex or anything and in my opinion its very artistic…). Another example would be Robot and APPLE which I bought off of amazon. There is underage nudity and a few very gorry stories in there.

        So now, if I decide I want to import some douginshi from Japan am I going to be prosecuted?! Or even if I just order something that may have some suggestive things in it such as a couple of my art books.

        Bleh…I don’t get it.

  • “We have already indicated that the protected right
    to possess obscene material in the privacy of one’s home does not give rise to
    a correlative right to have someone sell or give it to others. Nor is there any
    correlative right to transport obscene material in interstate commerce”

    Transportation across state lines only applies to physical objects, not downloaded content.
    (see 18 U.S.C. §§ 1461, 2)

    also, Kadian1364, The defendant argued just that:the government should not legislate morality and cited Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003) as precedent.

    The court disagreed that assertion.

    “The Third Circuit concluded it was error for the district court to rely on the holding in Lawrence and thereby ignore longstanding Supreme Court precedent regarding obscenity. Id. at 162.

    • I do not understand how stuff like this is supposed to enter your possession physically without first crossing state boundaries, though. Since loli manga probably isn’t printed in Iowa, possession can just as well be a crime, as it’s impossible to possess the stuff in question without falling under the above two statements:
      “charged in count one with receipt of obscene materials that were transported in interstate commerce”
      and
      “with possession of obscene
      materials that had been transported in interstate commerce”

      I’m German, so this might just be me being fuzzy on what exactly constitutes ‘interstate commerce’, but I’m still curious.

      The second statement sounds especially fuzzy to me. Friend1 illegally imports obscene material through state borders. Gives it to Friend2 without informing him of such. Possession is not a crime, yet Friend2 is still a criminal for possessing goods that were transported across interstate borders.

      Wha?

  • The original statement by the cbldf is not inaccurate per se. I would presume he was still being charged with possession at the time the statement was made.

    “Because subsections
    1466A(a)(2) and (b)(2) (of the protect act)do not require the visual depictions be obscene, and those subsections of the statute restrict protected speech, the Court finds those sections are constitutionally infirm and
    cannot form the basis of a charge under the superseding indictment”

    Also
    “Defendant is not charged in counts one through four with mere private possession of obscene materials. Defendant is charged in count one with receipt of obscene materials that were
    transported in interstate commerce and in counts two through four with possession of obscene
    materials that had been transported in interstate commerce.”

    hope those answer your questions.

  • This article is misleading. He is not being charged with possession of obscene materials (those charges were dismissed). Rather he is being charged with transporting obscene material across state lines.

    google ” Case 1:07-cr-00030-JEG-RAW Document 59 Filed 07/02/2008 ” for proof.

    yeah this guy is screwed. no juror in their right mind would go on record as supporting this.

    TL:DR possession of lolicon is fine transporting it across state and federal lines is not.

    • Are you kidding me? It’s essentially the same thing D182. You do realize that the internet is ‘across state lines’ right? This thing only spreads, and with you guys turning a blind eye to it and not caring about this guy’s plight, nobody will be left to care about yours when it comes to it.

    • Of course, the “transporting obscene material across state lines.” thing is also the exact same reason they use to prosecute 3d caek.

      Not like loopholes have worked out so well for 3d, doubt 2d will be different.

    • Gee, federal laws continue to amaze me. So how does one possess lolicon material (presumably of the fictional 2D kind) without having it transported some distance? What about someone’s collection online? If he shares it with some friends, is that considered “transporting and disseminating” across state boundaries?

      Since when have we forgotten that the role of government is to protect its citizen’s rights (rights so painstakingly enumerated and preserved as to be called the “Bill of Rights”) and promote economic prosperity, not to legislate individual morality?

      IF the man had actual 3D child porn, no doubt the kids must be protected. But the difference between 2D and 3D is huge.

      • We don’t have leadership currently which understands that role of government. Reagan, Bush, and Shrub were twenty years to Clinton’s eight… and that conservative, religion-pandering mindset has done much to warp the shape our government was initially formed to be.

        It’s disgusting to me in the extreme that it’s the conservative base – the alleged “keep the government at a minimum” party – which has been leading the charge of intrusion into privacy for the better part of three decades now.

    • Thank you for providing some clarification.

      The CBLDF statements were presumably inaccurate then? I’m also curious as to why they managed to get rid of the possession aspect…

      And of course there is the issue of how one can possess lolicon without transporting it somehow…

    • Lisek, I get your sarcasm but busying the hands of a potential molestor is not a valid reason for legalizing something. It should be legal because there’s nothing inherantly wrong or harmful with it. Potentially lowering crime like in Japan is just a statistical bonus.

      • Ahh but it did statistically lower crime didn’t it? There will always be inherent child molesters and pedophiles in the world and putting them in jail just helps support the theory that because there is something wrong with you then you must be a criminal. But if there is a way to have them within society without having them cause harm to others then I say go for it.

  • If the man is ever connected to child molestation accusations, then this case might hold merit. Other than that, he WILL get off scot-free (albeit with a ruined reputation) because even if he gets convicted of anything at all, this case will get appealed to a higher court, and if the lower courts don’t strike it down, the higher courts (Iowa Supreme Court maybe) will.

    And whoever said our justice system is collapsing has never studied law, just watched too much MSNBC.

  • hentaispyder says:

    OMG! WTF! The only way they can do this is if the man was acting on those “books” in real life. there is no problem with owning that kind of material unless it leads to taking indecent liberties with a minor and even then its hard to say it was the books fault. This guy may have some slight issues, (but then again who doesn’t) but prosecuting because of his comic collection UNBELIEVABLE!!

  • If the characters within the comics, who participated in the acts in question, looked (and were) of legal age instead of below it…

    If it helps to tell the story, then okay. But if it’s used to fuel some sick fetish while the enthusiast is masturbating…

    If I was the judge, I’d sentence the guy to 10 years as a human dildo in one of these aging, hanger-on porn studios.

  • lol, eh ? wha. .!? says:

    ZOMG
    Damn it, this is ‘shit’ !
    lol

    “The government is prosecuting a private collector for the possession of art. In the past, CBLDF has had to defend the First Amendment rights of retailers and artists, but never before have we experienced the federal government attempting to strip a citizen of his freedom because he owned comic books.” <— humu humu

  • Utter bullshit if you ask me. Possesing drawn images of young girls shouldn’t be against any law. If you want to frown apon it sure then go ahead you have that right. But to arrest and prosecute over it? F**k off. So he had X amount of loli manga. Did he have any ACTUAL child porn anywhere be it video or pictures anywhere in his house? Obviously not or they would of made that their case. This seems to me like just a guy who like a lot of people, are into the loli genre. He wasn’t hurting anyone, he wasnt raping any kids, he wasn’t watching them while they were at the playground or anything. So leave this guy alone. Fark he already has it hard enough now that everyone in his town knows that he likes that stuff. Poor guy

  • In Absurdum.

    While I’m certainly no fan of loli anything, this is just retarded. Soon people’ll get jailed for murder because they own the Berserk manga.

    このロリコンどもめ indeed.

    By the way… were all the books necessarily about underage b&? Lolicon is a pretty large area, supposedly including adult petanko as well, because they resemble children with undeveloped sexual characteristics… just saying…

      • Ha~, sorry if I came off as critical to you, wasn’t my intention. I just didn’t read clearly enough.

        It’s a strange topic, though. It’s illegal to murder people, yet comics about such are generally accepted, though frowned upon. Animated/drawn lolis? Not so much so, apparantly.

        I sincerely doubt 56-year old pedos got to be how they are because they read Lolicious manga…

  • When I say we’re going back to the dark ages regarding freedom of speech, citizen’s rights and morality, some people thinks I’m overreacting.

    But everyday I collect new evidence on that.
    And this news is just another one to add to the endless pile.

    Justice system is collapsing already.

    • Actually on Japanator.com, this story stated that the local post office had searched his mail and alerted the authorities of the contents of a “strange” package arriving for the Iowan in question…

      • Argh! I can see it now… (remember, this happened in Iowa) …”Hey, Earl, what’s with this here funny lookin’ box with the scribbles all over it? That some kinda foreigner thing? This from some weird place, ain’t it? Well. We don’t abide no foreign shit ’round these parts, do we? Let’s open ‘er up!”

        And for them, their suspicion was justified, wasn’t it?

        Ridiculous bullshit asshole small-minded American fucktard bastard busybody government dickweasels.

        I am sick of my country’s brainless right-wing conservative enemizing of my culture. And now I seriously dislike the post office even more than I did already.

        Remember, kids: always have your lolicon manga shipped to you via UPS, FedEx, or DHL!

        • Honestly, I hate it how people think the right wing would do stuff like this. No. Actually, its the liberals who want to constantly impress their own ideals upon everyone else and force them to abide by them. Of course, there will be another set of liberals with different ideals trying to undo what the other leftists created.

          Its a party that can never agree on anything except the complete opposite of whatever a conservative says. Conservatives agree on each other in most aspects including the exact opposite of what a liberal says.

        • Yeah, I could care less whether supporting them made my country socialist, left wing, right wing, even 50% taxes.

          As long as it became constitutionally IMPOSSIBLE for them to thought-police like what this article is about, I would HAPPILY vote for them too.

          Obviously, given this case and others, it’s very much constitutionally possible in America to legislate thought-crime and “punishment before crime” :/

          But I can’t help but wonder what would happen if this atmosphere of “thinking/drawing about crimes is a punishable offense” provably caused initially harmless lolicons to go nuts on shooting/raping/whatever sprees.

          THEN would people begin to realize it’s a little rude to punish the harmless drawing of crimes as the same as actually committing a crime?

          Would they be then capable of realizing that it can cause undue harm to normally innocent creative minds, able to twist them into righteously furious psychopaths?

          Just a Thought Experiment I’m Thinking right now. THINKING, you genuine retards in congress.

          *is that the sound of helicopters I suddenly hear?*

        • It wouldn’t be as bad if it was just the right wing conservatives doing this. If current democratic leaders are any indication (many of whom seem so fiscally liberal as to approach socialism), many of whom are willing to throw in with Jack Thompson (who is so bad he got disbarred), the left side of our government seems more than willing to toss the first amendment in favor of looking like they are ‘protecting the children’. I think tracking down real child molesters is too difficult, so they’ve decided to go after easy targets instead.

          I tend to lean right politically, but if I ever saw a politician who actually seemed to support free speech, I’d support them whatever party they were.

  • There’s going to be a lot of free speech tossed around here, but fact of the matter is some heinous stuff gets carried out because of the “WON’T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?” defense, usually in boldface disregard for civil liberties.

    Not to defend pedophiles, but if it’s just a comic, then it’s not harming anyone. You can’t arrest someone for owning something that might potentially somehow in someway influence illegal behavior. The system doesn’t work that way.

  • Whoah shit!

    Someone was actually prosecuted!

    However, if all they found was lolicon manga material then something seriously stinks.

    I wonder what other fictional form of art will be taken down next?

    My money is on Guro.

    • I agree completely. UNICEF international is pressuring Japan to do exactly this though, so if you disagree with that, don’t support them or any other organization interesting in curbing free speech around the world. Canada’s already lost it.