The man is not even Muslim. And even if he is, isn't the rally supposed to be anti-mosque and not anti-muslim? Although I am not American nor religious, it's kinda sad to see some stupid people destroying the value that USA had embraced - religious freedom.
That's freedom of speech for ya -__-
These people are like a firehose. If you don't control where it sprays it just sprays all over mindlessly. But you know, Obama and the muslim community had to be incredibly stupid to want to build a mosque that close to the Ground Zero area and not get intense racist resistance.
I am not american and am religious and i do have to say that this is BULLSHIT, I feel sorry for the guys living in America who have to deal with idiots like the people at the rally and the fucked up part is the guy comes up and ask the guy to leave and people are applauding, I guess because he had a hat that was looking muslim and the fact that he was black, ah amerkkka you fucking racist pricks. and no am not muslim.
I wonder what the correlation is between the Tea Party and the Anti-Ground-Zero-Mosque mob is...
Kei-chan1 said:
These people are like a firehose. If you don't control where it sprays it just sprays all over mindlessly. But you know, Obama and the muslim community had to be incredibly stupid to want to build a mosque that close to the Ground Zero area and not get intense racist resistance.
They are building the mosque there because there's a muslim community present. No point in building a mosque in places where there are not a lot of muslims.
not to mention there's an actual mosque, not even a community center, even closer.
but continue the lulz.
Without a doubt, a Muslim youth community center(NOT A MOSQUE, BECAUSE THERE IS ONE ALREADY CLOSE BY) being built close to Ground Zero is a controversial move in itself, IF one chooses to not think about it more than two seconds.
1. It's not like they're building it exactly on the top of Ground Zero
2. There is already one mosque a few blocks away. Why start a rhetoric now?
3. It's like saying, no Christians should ever practice their religion or have a church in the Middle East(SPOILERS for the ignorant rednecks: there are churches in the Middle East), because they raged equally as bad during the Crusades.
I couldn't give a fuck if you're a Jew or Christian or Muslim. You stay outta my may, I'll stay out of yours. The ones building that center didn't start building it by bombing the place first. They are going through legitimate buying process with an earnest intention in mind. It's not like they're saying "We got this place covered. You guys are so fucked up, lol!"
But I must be crazy too huh? Trying to make sense in a board about Japan shit, haha.
Persona said:
They are building the mosque there because there's a muslim community present. No point in building a mosque in places where there are not a lot of muslims.
I heard there were mosques not too far from there, just a few blocks. Sounds very unneeded to me. I could be wrong though, i don't live in NY.
And yeah i do understand theres a muslim community there, my original post was kinda dependant on that fact. But you know theres some common sense needed. America is still in a hate muslim mode; muslims building near Ground Zero area is gonna spark bullshit. If it even gets built, i can forsee it being burned to the ground by some Anti-muslim group.
Gotta love my city <_<.....
Kei-chan1 said:
These people are like a firehose. If you don't control where it sprays it just sprays all over mindlessly. But you know, Obama and the muslim community had to be incredibly stupid to want to build a mosque that close to the Ground Zero area and not get intense racist resistance.
I say build it... I see nothing wrong with building it... Besides half of that crowd is just there cus their friends forced them to come or are interested in viewing a riot, which won't ever happen downtown....
arielaol said:
Gotta love my city <_<.....I say build it... I see nothing wrong with building it... Besides half of that crowd is just there cus their friends forced them to come or are interested in viewing a riot, which won't ever happen downtown....
Idc what they do there, i'm just stating the obvious heh. I don't live in NYC so it doesn't affect me at all. Yeah alot of them are just followers, most probably don't know what they are even protesting. But thats just like the average uneducated to not know.
Kei-chan1 said:
But you know, Obama and the muslim community had to be incredibly stupid to want to build a mosque that close to the Ground Zero area and not get intense racist resistance.
On the news yesterday I saw a story stating that around 40% of Americans think Obama is Muslim. I can't believe no one has corrected you. President Obama is definitely Christian, and has no connection to the people building Park51. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is the person leading the building project. Considering that a mosque built even before the towers, and is closer to the WTC site exists, the people freaking out over this need to calm down. It's not a slap in the face, nor an attempt to "take control over the enemy."
It scares the hell out of me that you hear people like Glen Beck insinuating that all of Islam is corrupt. To me it's not even a logical connection. The psychos who killed more than 3000 on 9.11 were not part of the mainstream Islamic religion. Does anyone here really believe that Al Qaeda agents are legitimate Muslims and their take on Islam is to be taken seriously at face value?
It's like saying all Christians are crazy because of the group of people who were arrested earlier for trying to blow up and kill families at police officer's funerals. It's just not logical, and yet, because people believe what they're force fed in the news, it actually has momentum.
Matariel said:
On the news yesterday I saw a story stating that around 40% of Americans think Obama is Muslim. I can't believe no one has corrected you. President Obama is definitely Christian, and has no connection to the people building Park51. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is the person leading the building project. Considering that a mosque built even before the towers, and is closer to the WTC site exists, the people freaking out over this need to calm down. It's not a slap in the face, nor an attempt to "take control over the enemy."
It scares the hell out of me that you hear people like Glen Beck insinuating that all of Islam is corrupt. To me it's not even a logical connection. The psychos who killed more than 3000 on 9.11 were not part of the mainstream Islamic religion. Does anyone here really believe that Al Qaeda agents are legitimate Muslims and their take on Islam is to be taken seriously at face value?
It's like saying all Christians are crazy because of the group of people who were arrested earlier for trying to blow up and kill families at police officer's funerals. It's just not logical, and yet, because people believe what they're force fed in the news, it actually has momentum.
Let me point out your fail, i said Obama and the muslim community. I did not say obama was muslim. Don't put words in my mouth you fail troll. I never said anything racist, you just misread and assumed something. I just stated the overly fucking obvious, but because your not smart enough to know that you just assumed. The fact that you thought you saw any racism on my part in it, means your the racist here. Pig.
Pretty stupid they are protesting when they can't even tell if someone is Muslim or not.
As for the guy/group that wanted to build a mosque there, they are either trying to be ideal or trying to piss someone off, most likely to piss someone off.
There are churches in the Middle East, but Muslims don't only live in the Middle East, it depend on which country, some country have zero church because 99% of population is Muslim and if you try to convert them you get the usual Muslim threat and violence, some country are more free, co-existing with the church and other religions.
I don't know about United States, but in Canada your freedom of speech get taken away if you promote hatred toward a certain group, these protesters just glad they not in Canada.
flamehaze628 said:
Pretty stupid they are protesting when they can't even tell if someone is Muslim or not.As for the guy/group that wanted to build a mosque there, they are either trying to be ideal or trying to piss someone off, most likely to piss someone off.
There are churches in the Middle East, but Muslims don't only live in the Middle East, it depend on which country, some country have zero church because 99% of population is Muslim and if you try to convert them you get the usual Muslim threat and violence, some country are more free, co-existing with the church and other religions.
I don't know about United States, but in Canada your freedom of speech get taken away if you promote hatred toward a certain group, these protesters just glad they not in Canada.
I'm just saying, whoever is sparking a debate about this either only wanted to troll IRL or he/she is too emotional to think right. And yes, Muslims can easily get pissed if you try to convert one of theirs into another religion, but ain't it the same with all the religions? I know a Chinese who wanted to convert to Islam instead, but he was disowned by his entire family. It goes both ways.
What I'm trying to say is in the Middle East, Christianity and their followers exist and was allowed to by their respective governments. Hell, having a Jew in their community wasn't even a big deal until some Wahhabi asshole came along preaching that one group is sacred and another isn't. This was relatively recent too: an old man told stories about how Muslims, Christians and Jews attend each other's wedding receptions and enjoyed themselves just before the turn of the 20th century. AT THE SAME TIME as the prevalence of the Wahhabis that engulfed Middle East, Jews develop a bunch of extreme Zionist doctrine and started killing folks in Palestine. Coincidence? Fuck me if it is...
Point I'm trying to say: Christianity exists in the Middle East. There may be isolated cases of discrimination, but shit like this happens to all religions in a country that is not its majority.
Pacpon said:
That's freedom of speech for ya -__-
Freedom of speech doesn't negate responsibility for what you say.
THe fact that this is a problem is really getting to me. It's not like the Holy Quaran took a plane and flew it into the WCT. By objecting to the mosque you're saying that all Muslims had a hand in the terrorist attacks which is painfully stupid.
They acquired the land through legal means so they should be able to build what they want there.
Infinite said:
Freedom of speech doesn't negate responsibility for what you say.
THe fact that this is a problem is really getting to me. It's not like the Holy Quaran took a plane and flew it into the WCT. By objecting to the mosque you're saying that all Muslims had a hand in the terrorist attacks which is painfully stupid.
They acquired the land through legal means so they should be able to build what they want there.
Of course. But i mean your still argueing against a society thats racistly fearing the newest "enemy", and they are just generalizing the whole thing together...thats what racists do. They should build what they want there, but sadly that doesn't mean they wont get resistance to it. People are morally highhorsed against things they don't understand, which is evident in that protest. Most people don't understand what "freedom of speech" actually means, and just go with that it means they can say whatever they want without reprocussions. Papcon's post was sarcastic if you missed it for that reason.
I did not say obama was muslim. Don't put words in my mouth you fail troll.
I apologize, I did assume that you were connecting Obama to Islam. Although I will say it is easy to assume that's what you meant based on your statement, especially considering the political climate of late. Because many people are saying Obama is Muslim, when you put the two together in a sentence such as, "Obama and the Muslim community," it does indeed imply that you were connecting the two together in the same group.
I never said anything racist, you just misread and assumed something. I just stated the overly fucking obvious, but because your not smart enough to know that you just assumed.
Could you please post where I was talking about racism? I was commenting on people saying that Obama is Muslim, and mischaracterized your statement which I apologized for. I see now that you were not implying that Obama is Muslim.
The fact that you thought you saw any racism on my part in it, means your the racist here. Pig.
Isn't this statement a logical fallacy? People see racism, therefore they are racist. Unfortunately, this would mean that Rosa Parks was racist because she refused to acquiesce to the ideology that "blacks are inferior to whites."
I wasn't trying to make a big issue with you Kei. I was explaining my opinion that the so-called mosque debate is being drummed up by certain people, and this is causing derision and division among two groups of people who REALLY need to mend fences.
Kei-chan1 said:
Of course. But i mean your still argueing against a society thats racistly fearing the newest "enemy", and they are just generalizing the whole thing together...thats what racists do. They should build what they want there, but sadly that doesn't mean they wont get resistance to it. People are morally highhorsed against things they don't understand, which is evident in that protest. Most people don't understand what "freedom of speech" actually means, and just go with that it means they can say whatever they want without reprocussions. Papcon's post was sarcastic if you missed it for that reason.
I had a feeling he was but I wanted to make the point anyways.
But the whole thing is those people are wrong to opposed the mosque. It makes us look like hypocrites and only raised middle eastern tensions.
Infinite said:
I had a feeling he was but I wanted to make the point anyways.
But the whole thing is those people are wrong to opposed the mosque. It makes us look like hypocrites and only raised middle eastern tensions.
Yep, its unfortunate, but thats what the racists do. I'm sure in the future after whatever war the US has gotten into (providing they aren't just completely absolved into China by then), it'll be the same shit against them.
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