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1. 

   SaruDa
   

   And they have the power to succeed. The United States, Canada, Australia, The European Union, Switzerland, Japan, The Republic of Korea, Singapore, New Zealand, Mexico, Morocco, and other countries are planning to put an end to easy anonymity and the ability to avoid national laws via the international nature of the internet. It's called the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement(ACTA), and their aim is to end the easy days of uploading movies, songs, and other copyrighted material to the internet.

   At first glance this doesn't seem like a huge deal, seeing as how it should only affect the pirates...right? Wrong. Part of this 'Trade Agreement' makes ISPs in the nations involved responsible for making sure their users don't download or view copyrighted material.

   What secondary repercussions will this single action have? If ISPs are forced to make sure their users are not pirating, they'll have to hire a huge number of staff to monitor the internet usage of all their customers, driving the cost of internet through the roof. In the event that a site proves too costly to monitor, it seems likely that they(your ISP) may block access to it altogether.

   ACTA also gives copyright holders the right to pursue more in damages than has been given in the past in your country, due to the international nature of the act. Sure piracy is a crime, but do people deserve to have their whole life ruined for uploading a single album to the internet?

   Under the ACTA, governments and ISPs have the right to censor websites without justification. This is an abomination against free speech that we cannot sit by and watch happen.

   Random checks for copyrighted material would be implemented in numerous institutions, such as airports. Official workers though they may be, do you really want strangers thumbing through your personal documents? Not to mention, increasing the workload on security guards who are supposed to ensure our safety seems like a hair-brained idea at best.

   Here are some links on the issue:
   http://www.anti-acta.com/
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement
   http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:ACTA
   http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2010/april/tradoc_146029.pdf

   

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2. 

   Azure Sky
   

   HOLY SHIT!! This must not be allowed to happen!! i haven't even started pirating games yet!!! FUCK NO!!! does anyone know of a good x-box modding store in newyork!?!?!?

   I must make haste!!!

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3. 

   Pyrolight
   

   Too much spin doctoring and assumptions to take this warning seriously.

   I will wait to see what a impartial and independent body thinks of the proposed regulations. Right now this is no different then the last 10 "the sky is falling" scenarios for freedom on the internet.

   P.S.

   Freedom of speech does not apply to the internet.

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4. 

   momoのキラー
   

   "Random checks for copyrighted material would be implemented in numerous institutions, such as airports. Official workers though they may be, do you really want strangers thumbing through your personal documents? Not to mention, increasing the workload on security guards who are supposed to ensure our safety seems like a hair-brained idea at best."

   This have been done in a lot of place actually, usually they looks for cd or dvd.

   this is one of the reason why i'm a download freak that dl anything that i see on the net that will last me for years if this comes true.

   But anyway, based on the charts on the other thread, almost 40-50% of the bandwidth are being used for vids n torrents. ISP will try to give a leeway esp when a newer protocol for sharing appears since we r all paying customers.

   why should i subscribe to a bigger bandwidth if i could only watch stupid self made youtube vids on the net. might as well lower the subscription to 1-4mb which i dont think is what the isp wanted.

   It's business n the point of doing business is making money, since when did the law really hindered anything? like they said in jurassic park "life just finds a way" or something like that.....

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5. 

   fatalerrer
   

   The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) is a controversial international trade agreement spearheaded by the U.S., Japan and the EU Commission. If signed, ACTA would curtail the rights and freedoms of citizens around the world, including freedom from warrantless search and seizure and the right to privacy.

   While the perpetuators of ACTA claim the agreement is designed to fight piracy, rather than take aim at commercial infringers who profit from infringement, ACTA goes after the ordinary citizen who uses copyrighted material in ways allowed by fair use and fair dealing. ACTA was created to cater to the interests of corporate lobbyists such as the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) and the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), as evidenced by their inclusion in negotiations and the exclusion of all public interest groups. Allowing corporate giants to use taxpayer money and government officials (i.e. - border guards, police) to protect their private interests at the expense of consumers sets a dangerous precedent from which there may be no return.

   Apparently it's been in the works since late in 2007, but they've been very secret about it on a whole. Definitely something to keep an eye on, and I'd think definitely worth a letter or two. I'll have to see about writing one up myself when it's not so late at night for me.

   Man, the shit these people keep trying to pull! I always used to think that people were exaggerating about corporations controlling the world when I was younger. Really though that's the truth of it, or at least so it would seem. Every time you turn around they're trying to pass some new heinous piece of legislation/etc.

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6. 

   Liar
   

   It's just like someone (publisher or author) don't want his item to get stolen (pirated) but he blame the cops (ISP) to do all the work.

   Then it's become like "Police will inspect you everytime you go out of your house. You will be stripped naked and your item will be check 1 by 1. If none of your item is stolen property, you are free to go."

   In the end, if the file is encrypted or using HTTPS, ISP cannot do anything and counterfeit will continue on. If ISP allowed to scan HTTPS then they will have your bank account number and password. At the end, everything will just become a talk.

   And ISP is not a goverment body like cops. So don't expect too much from a money oriented company.

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7. 

   SaruDa
   

   Pyrolight said:
   Too much spin doctoring and assumptions to take this warning seriously.

   I will wait to see what a impartial and independent body thinks of the proposed regulations. Right now this is no different then the last 10 "the sky is falling" scenarios for freedom on the internet.

   P.S.

   Freedom of speech does not apply to the internet.

   Wikipedia not impartial enough?
   How about this group of guys?(I haven't watched this video yet, I have no clue what they say)
   

   Is(what appears to be) an actual draft of the document impartial enough for you?
   http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2010/april/tradoc_146029.pdf

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8. 

   Niwa
   

   SHIT! SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT!
   Why dammit why?! T_T

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9. 

   Vicious
   

   #1 rule of being me: Don't believe the hype.
   #2 rule of me: The Lulz

   Are you telling me someone is going to regulate and monitor corporations?
   really?

   there are so many loopholes and counters in your description that i would have to look at what actual power a this coalition group has.

   but the important aspect is that there's no actual law being made.
   Its a group with a purpose.
   The legal Loopholes are almost laughable with that description

   isp's can block whatever they want, but it would be easier to file for bankruptcy.

   not to mention it's the internet, the easiest place to adapt.

   anonymity doesnt faze me, it's almost inevitable
   isp's blocking sites = lol never gonna happen

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10. 

    fatalerrer
    

    While there is cause for concern, I don't think that it's something that we should freak out over. Enough people are working to help spread the word that there is no way that something like this could pass in its current form. That's not to say that we have nothing to worry about, but as long as everyone does their part I don't see the internet as we know it instantly collapsing.

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11. 

    Infinite
    

    Vicious said:
    Are you telling me someone is going to regulate and monitor corporations?
    really?

    LMFAO GGs well played sir.

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12. 

    loli in a box
    

    I can't see how they will ever be able to pull this through, but I guess you should never think yourself safe...

    Also, you didn't mention the important stuff like how can we help with trying to prevent it.

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13. 

    fatalerrer
    

    Vicious said:
    Are you telling me someone is going to regulate and monitor corporations?
    really?

    there are so many loopholes and counters in your description that i would have to look at what actual power a this coalition group has.

    The cause for concern is more on the opposite end. Large groups such as the MPAA and RIAA would be able to dictate and control information through ISPs. Privacy would dwindle, and they would be able to use government money and resources to help accomplish their ends.

    I can't see how they will ever be able to pull this through, but I guess you should never think yourself safe...

    Also, you didn't mention the important stuff like how can we help with trying to prevent it.

    If you live in the USA then write your Senators and state representatives. Letting the officials concerned with the formation of such items is one of the only ways you can have a direct impact.

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14. 

    gundam4ever2
    

    If this goes though I wonder how many credit card info will be stolen by people monitoring the internet.

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15. 

    SaruDa
    

    fatalerrer said:

    If you live in the USA then write your Senators and state representatives. Letting the officials concerned with the formation of such items is one of the only ways you can have a direct impact.

    Threatening your ISPs seems like another good first step. Also raising general awareness through means such as posting on other forums and social networking sites like Facebook. You don't have to let on it's because you look at lolicon, you can pass it off as being interested because you don't want them searching your ipod when you cross the border or you don't want it to affect medicine aid to Africa *wink wink*

    gundam4ever2 said:
    If this goes though I wonder how many credit card info will be stolen by people monitoring the internet.

    umm, ISPs can already monitor everything you do, it's just more cost-effective for them not to.

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16. 

    jamesownsall
    

    Vicious said:
    #1 rule of being me: Don't believe the hype.
    #2 rule of me: The Lulz

    Are you telling me someone is going to regulate and monitor corporations?
    really?

    there are so many loopholes and counters in your description that i would have to look at what actual power a this coalition group has.

    but the important aspect is that there's no actual law being made.
    Its a group with a purpose.
    The legal Loopholes are almost laughable with that description

    isp's can block whatever they want, but it would be easier to file for bankruptcy.

    not to mention it's the internet, the easiest place to adapt.

    anonymity doesnt faze me, it's almost inevitable
    isp's blocking sites = lol never gonna happen

    Skepticism is healthy every now and then, but we're looking at an international effort by major countries here.

    ISPs care about money, but folks behind MPAA and RIAA claim to lose billion of dollars through the kind of freedom we have now. Who's to say that ISPs won't be financially motivated to support them if these Jew corporate terrorists are willing to give them some of that Jewgold?

    Keep your eyes open. These people have been losing a lot of money(which is debatable whether they really deserve it or not regardless), and they have probably reached a boiling point. Send letters, tell everyone, campaign; whatever it is you can contribute, just make the public know that these motherfuckers are using the law to dig their own pockets.

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17. 

    Vicious
    

    Even those groups have limits
    as long as information can be shared and excrypted
    there are haven countries
    privacy rights/laws exist
    and somewhere out there human beings are hired to monitor infinite amounts of information

    i am almost zero percent concerned.
    Willful Digital Sharing.

    If you put something on the internet, i mean cmon, you put it on my computer, you give someone access to store it....you dont own that shit anymore

    security and privacy is region based

    unless someone makes a law, i will never be concerned.

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18. 

    fatalerrer
    

    That's another of the potential problems of the ACTA though. It could allow the formation of a group that could potentially bypass regional laws in the name of anti-piracy or anti-counterfeiting measures.

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19. 

    SaruDa
    

    Vicious said:
    Even those groups have limits
    as long as information can be shared and excrypted
    there are haven countries
    privacy rights/laws exist
    and somewhere out there human beings are hired to monitor infinite amounts of information

    So do you propose living in such a haven country? Where, if I might ask? China? Russia? Are we to move to a 'haven country' from every sort of abuse? I have news for you: no such haven country exists. We have to pick and choose our evils with any country, and I do mean any country. If we simply sit back and watch things unfold around us, it will eventually be too late to do anything, and the long line of freedom will march backwards unimpeded.

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20. 

    Vicious
    

    fatalerrer said:
    That's another of the potential problems of the ACTA though. It could allow the formation of a group that could potentially bypass regional laws in the name of anti-piracy or anti-counterfeiting measures.

    lol imagine that
    the U.S extraditing some 16 yr old foreigner and paying to imprison them

    or better yet send em back and they dont serve time because regional law is still a greater authority but hey they got a free trip to america to be convicted and sent back to their country a no sentence because when u bypass local law, when you send them back, local law still doesn't apply :P

    i hear you jamesownsall, but the money lost is what they would be paying/subsidizing to not lose that money.

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