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Feeling Guilty About Otakuism

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anonymous111

Hey I'm a member here, but unfortunately anonymous posting does not work, so I signed up.

I don't know why I'm writing this, but I am. With the recent controversies surrounding hentai especially in what seems like the past year, I ended up stupidly expressing my outrage in the wrong environment, at the wrong time, and being very silly about it.

The result was some people who I respect and find intelligent, thinking I was very sick. This shook me a bit, considering my deep interest in Japanese visual culture. I started questioning... maybe there is something wrong with... well, jerking off to cartoons and fictional depictions of children. To be fair, their reaction was largely due to the way I presented it, but this isn't the first time this has happened.

Not only that, but the fact that these activities are very frowned upon and illegal in many places (and becoming more and more punishable) makes me wonder if there actually is something wrong with being interested in this stuff?

I feel as though you can't make the argument, "Well just look at the Akihibara entertainment district. A whole subculture has matured and grown up around these things. There are also some respectable people who indulge in this." Yes, and there are also some matured subcultures around worldwide exploitative sex trade, and no doubt there are some "respectable" people who indulge in that. Just because something is popular or has a long history doesn't mean it's right.

I want to type more but frankly I feel like crap right now. Thank you in advance for your responses.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
xbow

I know in some places, people think anime = porn. There is nothing you can do, other than move to another place, or don't tell your otaku side to anyone.

I can assure you, being an otaku is normal and you should be proud of it XD

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Otaku Girl

I wouldn't call it normal, but you should be proud of it. Who wants to be "normal" anyways? Take your time researching the subject of if and why it could be wrong. Read the comments on some of those Equality Now article, there are good arguements. Then choose. But, if you choose the other side, please tell so we can post our arguements and draw you back into the light XD

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
sycamore

Just because your friends are intelligent doesn't mean that they can't be ignorant. Is there something wrong with you fapping to pictures dipicting children? possibly, imo it depends on how much you visualise the character irl, and how realistically a character is designed to real life children. Lets be honest no child is going to come up to you in neko mimi and ask you if you want oral. Also even if it is "wrong", compare it to other similar wrongs, to keep things in perspective. the old example of we play murder games so why not loli games.

Keep in mind that 2D is nothing like 3D, if i saw an anime loli irl I would run screaming wondering why her eyes are the size of my fists.

The people you know obviously have alot of bias (for good reason no one wants a child to be hurt) towards a touchy subject like this. You should decide what is right and wrong from your personal judgement. The way i see things is "if nobody is hurt by my actions, you have no right to be sticking your nose into my business"

TL;DR
your friends are horribly biased (possibly due to your explanation) and you need to make up your mind what is acceptable for you to do/not do for yourself, jumping on the bandwagon morales is what keeps homophobia, racism, sexism etc alive in society today.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
sonicflame

Look man first of all there really is nothing wrong with it and certainly there certainly is nothing wrong with any one for liking hentai. It’s like saying that gay people chose to be gay it’s just something that’s inside you. People who are normal (whatever society views as normal all I know is that seems where not because where not the majority of people in the world that chose what normal is and isn’t) view this as a wrong interest because it’s something they are not accustom to or just not interested in them self’s. So there is nothing wrong with any of us who like hentai

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Hitoshura

What did you specifically defend? Give us more details, so we can make better comments.

I'm guessing you talked about the freedom of speech concerning rape eroges or how fictional depiction of child/pre-teen sex shouldn't be something against the law. They probably thought you were a monster for defending it. But that's to be expected.

Anyway, they're the ones losing.

I will leave you with this quote:

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Envoy Loves You

Thread inspired by Melonpan's antics?

Anyways, you aren't the first to feel like this.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
karma

The problem with confident intelligence is that people can be susceptible to falling into the old trap of narrow-minded thinking. There are a lot of reasons why people would believe otakuism is wrong, and those are reasons that just 'jump' out because it's not something they've considered carefully.

Unfortunately, dear tc, you don't have much of a ring on it: to them, you are as 'sick' or as 'wrong' as they believe you to be. If they are as intelligent as you describe them to be, I advise you to try and engage a discussion on a purely academic level, discussing the moral side of it ... start off with a classic example of incest.

If Mary and Sam are siblings, and they decide to have clandestine (so nobody else knows and can be hurt by it), consensual, and safe sex due to mutual attraction between the two, why is it wrong? The three moral grounds based on harm towards yourself, potential offspring and relatives have all been negated. Move on to talk about otakuism and perhaps show them that you genuinely have thought about it deeply; how it doesn't have a harm element to it, and you hope they can respect something you personally find enjoyable. Good luck :)

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Vicious

as much as i love the emotional morale hype up of the community.
the thing is, we don't know who you are, age, situation, country whatever.

you're obviously more distraught that your friends, arent't also your friends in porn.there is nothing wrong or right about being a pervert. you like what you like and it does not harm anyone.
wheter its magazine porn for 3d or 2d women. you like what you like.

You obviously shouldnt tell your friends what you like to beat off too. what did you expect? a masturbation party? If you friend told you he likes to masturbate other men, watch other people have sex etc etc, even you would react the same way they did you, if out of nowhere you announce you're a pervert.

Because trust me, they werent thinking that you were an immoral bastard. they were more likely thining why the hell would you bring that up for no reason.

So unless hentai is a big part of your life, go back to your friends and take the teasing because you just gave them a big secret to hold over you.

OR

If Hentai is a huge part of your life, then find new friends like yourself.

Hope that helps you, you sick lolicon fuck xD. You immoral bastard, no girl will ever like you :P

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
triplehydra

Why are you bringing these interests up outside of the internet anyway? Even talking a bit of anime is all right if you know someone who's into the same sort of thing you are, or certain games (think Touhou; everybody knows shooting games after all, and even if they've got little girls they can be easily accepted) but the really hardcore sort of stuff? Ehh.

But I don't know if that's what you were talking about. Details would be good.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
LunarSD

Just slip some acid into the orange juice you will give them, sit them down near your computer explaining you would like to have a long intelligent discussion about the validity of Otakuism, and then when you see the drug's effects are starting to kick in, play the Neko Mimi Mode song in loop until it wears off (about 8 hours):

alt. version (best started upon drug peak, nearing the 5 hour mark):
Nana Mimi Mode

This can solve many problems.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Envoy Loves You

LunarSD said:
This can solve many problems.

I second that. Another video recommended for the treatment.

"Anti-Otakusis" is infectious and potentially fatal if transmitted to certain people. We must start medicating now! Won't someone think of the imaginary children!??

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Blitz

As has been said before...porn/hentai is just something you don't talk about like that unless you've got some support. Give it a couple days and calm down; you'll feel better afterward. You sound really embarrassed; most of us have done something similar at one point or another in life. If your friends harass you about it after a reasonable amount of time...it might be time to find new ones since they weren't your friends in the first place if they ditch you over something piddly like a sexual fetish. Who knows what skeletons they're hiding in their closets! Also, if you do want to support the cause and take on an argument solo...again, as said, it's a good idea to explain the reasoning behind it with support for other things as well, such as freedom of expression and the stripping away of our Constitutional rights (assuming you're an American).

Also, I'm not an Otaku...I really think that word gets swung around way too much. >.> Now if you have thousands of dollars in merchandise like Melonpan or Danny Choo...that's different. :P I wouldn't feel guilty about enjoying anime or Japanese culture (or loli!), but my personal opinion isn't to go overboard on it. In my experience things are best when done in moderation. =]

In any case, we all wish you the best of luck!

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
dothacknet

hey man to be honest no one really understands and otaku, only if the other person is one. as for hentai alot of ppl just set it aside cause its inmoral due to its freedom to create any situation, yet porn is a bit more accepted due to its reality. kind of sounds stupid, but i ask a few ppl what the would perfer. if you like it thats it, you like it and if you are not doing harm to anyone then from my point of view your good in my book. look i like playing shooting games, alot of ppl want to ban those games. you don't see me shooting someone in real life cause i know not to do it. just do what makes you happy and keeps you out of trouble man, PEACE ^_^V

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Huey

Just dont bring it up, unless you know they are into anime - dont bring any of those things up - hell iam black (would guess my type of friends)
but going to college i joined an anime club and now i got 2 sets of friends (I would never dream of bringing up this subject to my homies down at rascoe chicken and waffles) with my anime buddys yea.

see iam the type to watch/love anime and hentai and maybe throw a fap once in a while if iam not with a girl
but at the same time criticize otaku people (just the ones who think reality doesn't exist) ill defend anime and hentai - i wont defend lolies and rape - thats just me

do your thing, be you - thats all you can be is you

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Blitz

M I N N said:
Just dont bring it up, unless you know they are into anime - dont bring any of those things up - hell iam black (would guess my type of friends)
but going to college i joined an anime club and now i got 2 sets of friends (I would never dream of bringing up this subject to my homies down at rascoe chicken and waffles) with my anime buddys yea.

see iam the type to watch/love anime and hentai and maybe throw a fap once in a while if iam not with a girl
but at the same time criticize otaku people (just the ones who think reality doesn't exist) ill defend anime and hentai - i wont defend lolies and rape - thats just me

do your thing, be you - thats all you can be is you

Defending actual rape is a definite no-no, but defending the kind of media like RapeLay can be done as I and others described earlier. Once you lose the right to that kind of media, you can bet you won't be getting it back soon.

That's not my thing, but either you support freedom of speech and expression for all or you don't support it for any. There's no "if"s "and"s or "but"s about it.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Huey

Blitz said:

Defending actual rape is a definite no-no, but defending the kind of media like RapeLay can be done as I and others described earlier. Once you lose the right to that kind of media, you can bet you won't be getting it back soon.

That's not my thing, but either you support freedom of speech and expression for all or you don't support it for any. There's no "if"s "and"s or "but"s about it.

Are we really defending it? or we sitting and talking about defending it.

i mean all everyone talks about here is freedom this and freedom that
i dont see protest - i dont see marches - i dont see mr. chris at his computer enjoying his mangas.

so thats why i sit back and say meh - whos really gonna go in the street with a poster saying "Freedom for anime/hentai/loli" i may be wrong - but do you wanna be that guy when a news caster ask you on live tv infront of millions - "what are you actually defending within in freedoms rights" "umm rape simulators and lolies" LMFAO (not making fun but come on)

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Atma

M I N N said:

so thats why i sit back and say meh - whos really gonna go in the street with a poster saying "Freedom for anime/hentai/loli" i may be wrong - but do you wanna be that guy when a news caster ask you on live tv infront of millions - "what are you actually defending within in freedoms rights" "umm rape simulators and lolies" LMFAO (not making fun but come on)

I'd gladly march down any street in any country with a sign like that. It could get me killed possibly and definitely hated but someone has to.

Unfortunately stereotypes are going to exist for every type of person from every walk of life. As long as you're not committing real rape/pedophilia/etc I say go for it and enjoy who you are and what you do. I'd much rather be a nerd than a lot of things, personally.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
LunarSD

Atma said:
I'd gladly march down any street in any country with a sign like that. It could get me killed possibly and definitely hated but someone has to.

I think the best strategy of all for that kind of march, would be a "satire protest".

i.e. signs that read:
"Everyone! Think of the imaginary children!",
"Down with the cartoon menace! >:(",
"We must make all written thoughts and ideas illegal, for the sake of our children!"
"Make thought-policing law, NOW! Oh wait it already is... I mean, thanks!"
"Creativity is the work of sneaky invisible servant demons sent from the devil to turn people- OH SNAP I'M BEING CREATIVE PUT ME IN JAIL!"
"Fiction should stay fiction! oh right it already is, wait- I mean, Reality and fiction should stay separate!- wait they are- ah, um DOWN WITH THE IMAGINATION!"

That way it would be unique to help garner more media attention, and because it's already presented as a joke, people would have a very difficult time demonizing it. Like how things like The Onion and Family Guy get away with the worst sort of themes because it's already so dripping with sarcasm that no one can think of a good way to make fun of it. This may even make people more immediately willing to empathize with the ludicrous issues the cause would be drawing attention to.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Blitz

M I N N said:

Are we really defending it? or we sitting and talking about defending it.

i mean all everyone talks about here is freedom this and freedom that
i dont see protest - i dont see marches - i dont see mr. chris at his computer enjoying his mangas.

so thats why i sit back and say meh - whos really gonna go in the street with a poster saying "Freedom for anime/hentai/loli" i may be wrong - but do you wanna be that guy when a news caster ask you on live tv infront of millions - "what are you actually defending within in freedoms rights" "umm rape simulators and lolies" LMFAO (not making fun but come on)

I don't know about anybody else, but I do support people like Ron Paul who actually care about freedom. I go to rallies hosted by Independent groups including the Tea Party recently (and another End the Fed rally that was 100 miles to the northeast, mind you); I'm not some do nothing internet keyboard warrior.

It'd be nice if more people cared, but I'm going to do my part. I find your lack of concern rather disturbing, at the very least. You're one of those pick and choose kind of people: "We can dump that kind of "expression" if I don't agree with it and/or particularly like it."

As I said earlier, you either support freedom of speech and expression fully or you don't support it at all. Make a decision.

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