*Spoiler warning for those who have not watched Code Geass*
I dont know if this has been discussed,
but I guess some of us have finished it and still doesn't know the truth, which deserves the right to know them by now.
Soooooo ya... for those who have watched, you guys know those 2 facts?
Answer:
1) Lelouche's not dead
2) C.C's real name is Elizabeth
Confirmed from...where/who?
Or are these your speculations based on your observations?
There was an announcement from some of the producers, stating quote:
...Lelouche is dead(?)...
But that as far as my knowledge on the matter reaches.
In a way, I've speculated that this is very unlikely to be he end of the franchise, but from another point of view, recently marvelous titles have been left without a sequel, which brings disappointment.
Yes, I would like to know as well....
TsubasaNoTenshi said:
In a way, I've speculated that this is very unlikely to be he end of the franchise, but from another point of view, recently marvelous titles have been left without a sequel, which brings disappointment.
Meh, I think it should be better if they leave the story at there. Don't think there would be much of a story now with the way the ending was played. Besides, if they drag on the franchise a little too long it would become really boring and not a masterpiece like it is now. IMO, just leave Code Geass as it is. =)
Lelouch is dead. Confirmed by the creators. CC's real name is still unknown.
b0122 said:
*Spoiler warning for those who have not watched Code Geass*
It's a good thing the topic title doesn't contain spoilers as well!
Is there an "e" on Lelouch?
Lelouch demanded the God / collective conciousness in The World of C to "Not stop the progress of time" which resulted passing on his father's Geass to Lelouch and that's how he got his 2nd eye with Geass.
His father's Geass also includes immortality and hence Lelouch's not dead.
C.C is a play on words - pronounced as "Sissy" which Queen Elizabeth are commonly referred to as well. you can go back to the first season Ep.11 and read Lelouch lips, it perfectly fits.
R2 is also a play on words,
R2 = R.R, "Ru-ru" which resembles Lelouch's name.
Lelouch cannot be Zero himself. If he takes on the hero's role, with his immortality he'd be ruling the world forever, which would not be continuing the progress of time.
Recalling C.C's last few lines in the ending:
The power of Kings, known as Geass, brings one solitude.
Not quite accurate, is it?
Right, Lelouch?
C.C and Lelouch would be together forever, and that's how it is "not quite accurate".
That's my interpretation, what do you think?
Nice topic title. I haven't seen either seasons yet but now I can expect something bad is going to happen.
Yeah, thanks a fucking lot.
I guess you have a point,even when code geass has long been over people still speculate on it content.Beside i think the ending was perfect just like that,the creator put it in a way that for both viewer who want Lelouch dead or alive would be satisfied
As for me i think lelouch should just remain dead cuz there will be more drama in that way :D.
b0122 said:
Lelouch demanded the God / collective conciousness in The World of C to "Not stop the progress of time" which resulted passing on his father's Geass to Lelouch and that's how he got his 2nd eye with Geass.
His father's Geass also includes immortality and hence Lelouch's not dead.C.C is a play on words - pronounced as "Sissy" which Queen Elizabeth are commonly referred to as well. you can go back to the first season Ep.11 and read Lelouch lips, it perfectly fits.
R2 is also a play on words,
R2 = R.R, "Ru-ru" which resembles Lelouch's name.Lelouch cannot be Zero himself. If he takes on the hero's role, with his immortality he'd be ruling the world forever, which would not be continuing the progress of time.
Recalling C.C's last few lines in the ending:
The power of Kings, known as Geass, brings one solitude.
Not quite accurate, is it?
Right, Lelouch?
C.C and Lelouch would be together forever, and that's how it is "not quite accurate".That's my interpretation, what do you think?
Interesting, let alone convincing.
The analysis you made made a point, which in my opinion is accurate enough to bare hope for another season, although right now I am blinded by my fondness of the anime and cannot say for sure.
Although I would love to see another addition to the franchise, many of the users who say "It would just ruin the franchise" have a point, if we take a few not too hard to think of possible circumstances to account.
In any case, we will have to wait for information to leak if there is any to begin with.
Atma said:
Lelouch is dead. Confirmed by the creators. CC's real name is still unknown.
Do you mind giving a source for the announcement? As the only announcement I am aware of on the matter is this
"Lelouch is dead(?)"
Please note that the "(?)" was put there by the official staff, not by me.
hold on my bad,
R2 = R.R = Ru-ru = [R]elouch [R]amperouge
i didn't intend to imply there will be a 3rd season all along.
in my opinion i dont think 3rd season is good idea, but PS3 game maybe.
if there is something beyond R2's ending,
i would guess, the title would be possibly N2 = Nunally, or S2 = Suzaku.
b0122 said:
hold on my bad,
R2 = R.R = Ru-ru = [R]elouch [R]amperougei didn't intend to imply there will be a 3rd season all along.
in my opinion i dont think 3rd season is good idea, but PS3 game maybe.
if there is something beyond R2's ending,
i would guess, the title would be possibly N2 = Nunally, or S2 = Suzaku.
There's already a Code Geass game for the DS, so yeah.
Besides that, I can't imagine how the game would be like.
For example; Code Geass Series is full of talk and information that you'd be possibly be giving attention to your fullest.
Although, with this, you'll be able to make an RPG. BUT making a game out of the late series would possibly be absurd or will be just fine due to the Fans.
Absurd, by that, I mean that you already know the story of the game. Why bother?
It's most likely that a 3rd season would be the best choice for the upcoming season. Rather than a game.
Unless.. They decided to make the 3rd season out of a game for the PS3. That would be a problem now, would it?
:3
I just remembered Spinzaku.
Sure sunrise has stated that Lelouch isn't dead, but they're a bunch of lying douches anyways. How are we to know that they didn't mean "Lelouch is dead" in that he no longer exists in the minds of those that knew him, or that he is dead, but was reborn as a new entity? I feel like the single strongest piece of evidence for him being alive is the crane in the front of the wagon. You can see that it's in an awkward place, such that you wouldn't reasonable expect C.C to have put it there. All the other "evidence" can be pretty easily explained.
This was posted on San*Con as a comment a couple of months back, I haven't checked the original source.
ImperialX:
“Alright, it seems that the last episode was pretty complex and out of most of the people I’ve talked to, a lot of people don’t seems to get it. I’m going to tie up all the lose ends with this post.
The Code is the power of immortality, which C.C. has. The 98th Emperor of Britannia, Charles, has the Code. He transferred the Code to Lelouch while strangling him in episode 21. Lelouch wanted this, and he deliberately told Suzaku to not interfere.
However, the Code does not activate unless receiver dies first. This is shown when the nun kills C.C. after transferring the Code to her. Charle’s Code activated when he shot himself. Here is one of the big misconceptions that most people have: The transfer of the Code does not involve death of the transferrer. The nun was crazy and killed herself after she transferred her code. VV was injured from the battle and died. So basically, after episode 21, Lelouch had Charle’s Code (inactivated) and C.C’s contracted Geass.
When Lelouch got stabbed by Zero/Suzaku at the end, his Code was activated. What supports this is that Nunnally got Lelouch’s memories when she touched her, just like Lelouch did when he touched C.C. back in Narita. The only way this could have happened is his Code activating. This pretty much confirms that he has the Code.
Unlike C.C., and Charles, who lost their Geasses because the people who contracted them died, Lelouch didn’t obtain C.C.’s Code and thus kept his Geass, while having the Code (which he obtained from Charles at the same time). Lelouch therefore has achieved CODE GEASS.
Basically, Lelouch is the person driving the cart in the last scene. He, who is now immortal, travels the brand new world he has created together with the also immortal C.C. C.C. talks to Lelouch in the end by saying: “Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch?”
Now comes the second big misconception. A lot of people say C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that’s not true. She could only talk to her because of the nature of her Geass which allowed her to implant herself into the “hearts” of others. That’s how she was able to talk with Marianne. Lelouch’s Geass was entirely different, meaning that she could only have spoken to him if he was there. Also, the fact that the cart driver is masking his features completely supports this fact, considering the fact that Lelouch is now considered dead.”
Personally, I think the part at the end is bullshit. Anyone with any literary sense should be able to see that she doesn't have to be literally communicating with someone to talk to them. And he has a mask. Oooooooh, because you know, as a wagon driver, being in the sun all day every day, you probably wouldn't want to keep your face covered!
Also, I don't think R2 stands for "R.R", I think it stands for "Rebellion 2", since "Lelouch of the Rebellion" is in the Japanese title. As such, I find it a little hard to believe that it wouldn't be "L2", if what you say is right...Japanese might have trouble saying 'l', but they don't treat it as nonexistent.
On a sidenote: you really should try not to put spoilers in the title topic.
Foolish mortals, you do not know my name!
Lipsyncing anime characters with a name not present in their native tongue is impressive.. or unreliable?
CC said:
Foolish mortals, you do not know my name!
Lipsyncing anime characters with a name not present in their native tongue is impressive.. or unreliable?
Bah, everybody and their brother can lip-sync what Gendo says in End of Eva.
If C.C = Sissy = Elizabeth establishes then R.R (R2) = [R]elouch [R]amperouge, that's my theory.
And its not about literary sense rather its about the 3 seconds pan focusing on the driver and C.C's shift of eye focus when she hit the phrase "ne? Rurushu?"
i dont recall V.V's death. i remember he also has immortality. He was captured and locked up in some dungeon by Lelouch in that episode where they massacred the cultist society.
I'm not sure if Charles lost his Geass, though I am sure he lost his contractor or he wouldn't have immortality.
Mariam's ability to possess on a loli before death wasn't quite explained.
The concept of Code = immortality and Geass = absolute authority is doubtful too. Becuz C.C said Geass brings solitude to the user, does that imply only absolute authority but not the Code of immortality?
she probably meant both by saying "Geass".
CC said:
Foolish mortals, you do not know my name!
Lipsyncing anime characters with a name not present in their native tongue is impressive.. or unreliable?
Cheddar Cheese, that's your name.
b0122 said:
If C.C = Sissy = Elizabeth establishes then R.R (R2) = [R]elouch [R]amperouge, that's my theory.And its not about literary sense rather its about the 3 seconds pan focusing on the driver and C.C's shift of eye focus when she hit the phrase "ne? Rurushu?"
The concept of Code = immortality and Geass = absolute authority is doubtful too. Becuz C.C said Geass brings solitude to the user, does that imply only absolute authority but not the Code of immortality?
she probably meant both by saying "Geass".
First off, his name isn't Rerouch, it's Lelouch. Sunrise decided this, not fansubbers. I don't feel the 3 second pan focused on the driver at all, and C.C. was facing completely away from the driver. Her eyes didn't roll back into her head, but towards the sky when she talked to Lelouch, as one would be expected to do when speaking to a dead person. As far as Code/Geass goes, they refer to one's "code" several times in the show, and the Geass is just some power as established in the show. The person who wrote that obviously knew a lot, so I'm likely to believe them.
SaruDa said:
First off, his name isn't Rerouch, it's Lelouch. Sunrise decided this, not fansubbers. I don't feel the 3 second pan focused on the driver at all, and C.C. was facing completely away from the driver. Her eyes didn't roll back into her head, but towards the sky when she talked to Lelouch, as one would be expected to do when speaking to a dead person. As far as Code/Geass goes, they refer to one's "code" several times in the show, and the Geass is just some power as established in the show. The person who wrote that obviously knew a lot, so I'm likely to believe them.
C.C is not Ciccy either, and she isn't S.S.
That's why i'm saying that C.C's case has to be established first, before R2 makes sense as Relouch.
if the 3 second pan before C.C talks was not paying attention to the driver then it would be a focus on the wooden board of the wagon. there are beautiful views out there, but the director decided to look at the wagon for a good 3 secs?
C.C is certainly not shifting her eyes to look at the sky, cuz she was already looking at it. unless she decided to say the first phrase looking at one point of the sky, and suddenly has to move to another point of the sky when she addresses Lelouch. For sure that angle she can't see the driver but it was a mark of direction. if the driver is lelouch it would make perfect sense for C.C to look away from the sky and point to the driver's direction when she says "ne, rurushuu?
b0122 said:
C.C is not Ciccy either, and she isn't S.S.
That's why i'm saying that C.C's case has to be established first, before R2 makes sense as Relouch.if the 3 second pan before C.C talks was not paying attention to the driver then it would be a focus on the wooden board of the wagon. there are beautiful views out there, but the director decided to look at the wagon for a good 3 secs?
C.C is certainly not shifting her eyes to look at the sky, cuz she was already looking at it. unless she decided to say the first phrase looking at one point of the sky, and suddenly has to move to another point of the sky when she addresses Lelouch. For sure that angle she can't see the driver but it was a mark of direction. if the driver is lelouch it would make perfect sense for C.C to look away from the sky and point to the driver's direction when she says "ne, rurushuu?
I'm skeptical on your overuse of C.C, since to my knowledge she was never once referred to verbally as "シーシー”, but only "C2".
For some reason I had forgotten how long it pans over the wood, my bad. So that scene is to show the driver, but it's mostly to show the crane. (they probably didn't want to do too many cuts at once, so they panned.)
After re-watching the scene of her moving her head, I'd say she barely even moved her eyes. It also seemed apparent to me that they changed the animation of her eyes a bit between those two states, with the latter state having her eyes look very round. To me, this makes her look more like she's focusing on something in the distance, whereas before her eyes were very flat, making it look like she was staring listlessly into space. That's just me though.
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