kudichan said:
Awareness and alleviation of class and income inequality are the only things that will save the white race from it's own greed.
If you didn't know by now, I don't believe in equality in most or any form. I also don't think that it will help whites. Probably exacerbate the problem really.
kudichan said:
Don't you want to protect this?
Yes. Without going leftist.
uteki said:
But in the UK, I find being classed as working class can be very difficult if you can work more than 35hrs at 21years old and above. The minimum wage is 6.31p/h, enough for plenty of luxuries and renting a house share per month. Thus I find it hard to believe that the people wanting a raise (especially in low-end jobs); actually deserve it. Even as a legal immigrant- that would be enough to satisfy you. This is especially a blessing for Amuricans since minimum wage over there is a bit of a joke (in some states).
Minimum wage is not considered a living wage for most people, especially if they want to have a family. This isn't just me talking; an awful lot of people want it to go up:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20204594
If you're young, have no-one to look after, live in a cheap part of the country and have family who can support you, you can scrape by on minimum wage. But it massively limits your life choices and your standard of living will be pretty third-world. If you have a kid, lose your job or live in London, you're fucked. And you're also fucked when you retire.
I don't know how you could argue that most people earning minimum wage don't deserve any more. If you're saying that they don't deserve any more because they could theoretically survive on that wage, you could also say that most middle class people deserve far less. Especially when you consider that a lot of minimum or near-minimum wage jobs are really shitty to do. If someone scrubbing toilets doesn't deserve more than £6.31 an hour, then someone working in an office definitely doesn't deserve £10 or £20 an hour.
I remember when I was at uni there was some controversy because the maids didn't earn what was considered to be a "living" wage. The people calling for their wages to be increased were absolutely right, if you think of it in terms of how much the person deserved. The maids had a far more unpleasant job than the faculty (imagine having to clean Kudi's bins or pick his underwear up off the floor). But the faculty earned far, far more despite being pretty lazy a lot of the time. Who deserved what they were getting paid?
Hard work of any kind deserves a decent wage, imo.
uteki said:
Also rule of thumb, any employer would hire the cheapest employee (but not all are like that, some can be very generous which was seen from my last 3 employers) but mass immigration isn't main source of the problem. It's the capitalist society that wants to make as much profit as they can. Quality and cheapest worker = value the better.
Mass immigration gives them the opportunity to make a profit by hiring people at unreasonably low wages. If there are more unemployed people than there are available jobs, then employers can pay whatever they want. If there are more available jobs than people to fill them, then workers can request higher wages.
Mass immigration takes away working class people's ability to negotiate higher wages. Without it, they'd be forced to pay more, because they'd have to chase workers instead of the other way around. They'd have to pay more and improve conditions so that workers would want to work for them instead of someone else.
uteki said:
And I don't think you understand what bosses can be like in the uk (not implying all) because it sounds quite superficial.
More breadth means less depth. You can't look at the bigger picture without making a few generalisations.
I was speaking for individuals, not for families or people living in London. That is a different story.
But yes what you say is true. I shouldn't have said low-end jobs because I was only thinking more towards store assistants and waiting jobs.
I do agree that hard labour should be rewarded with more than minimum wage especially in the more richer parts of the country.
I am a strong believer of even distribution and sharing etc etc.
Speaking about 'working class'...
My sister used to be an HR exec. I talked to her before about how physical labor jobs need to earn more than they're given now, given the escalating economic climate. Her response was something along these lines.
"What most employers refuse to talk in-depth about is that the rule of supply-and-demand also works for employment opportunities. Oftentimes, it's not about how hard a job is compared to others. It's just that the paygrade of a job has an inverse relationship with the amount of people on the job market qualified for it. If one guy comes in and quit after a week because that pay to him is shit, there will be another one coming in. Even if you keep on getting high turnover, eventually, there will be someone desperate enough to arrive at the doorstep and force themselves to stay."
And yes, apparently, plenty of people are willing to become toilet cleaners, no matter how disgusting it may look. I mean, it's dirty job, it has plenty of biological and chemical hazard and you may sacrifice your social standing, but it's physically easy and you don't even need to finish school.
Of course, the government can always play the legal card and force a floor rate, but that doesn't always turn out well; I remember speaking on our Twitter chatroom about how Intel has moved its main operations to Vietnam. What I forgot to include was that one of the main reasons for that is Malaysia's relatively recent changes in law, forcing a floor salary rate which is more than 70% of the lowest paygrade they had. Hundreds, including those who built their lives around it, lost their jobs as a result of Intel shrinking its operations there, but I can't exactly blame Intel. I mean, Vietnam is pretty close by, forex rate is abysmally low and labor law enforcement is really weak.
I suppose Kudi's hate towards the migrants is partly fueled by the fact that they flood UK's job market and are far more accepting of being treated like shit compared to natives. Then again, I've seen this documentary recently about certain British firms actually shifting their operations out of the country completely and turned thousands jobless still.
If migrants didn't flood the UK, the unemployment situation may still turn out to be what it is now. Fucking economics...
kudichan said:
Relevant:
This eerily feels similar to what I've read about the situation in Japan.
I could only forsee horrible, HORRIBLE ways for this to end. Further elaborating would mean that I need to move this to the Political Thread, and I'm not in the mood for in-depth discussion and source-hunting right now.
To be continued in the politics thread.
pantsukudasai said:
How I've felt lately
I'm very glad I got skype <3 :3
Gross
You're so vain, you think this post is about you~
It's about kudi
pantsukudasai said:
You're so vain, you think this post is about you~
No I don't, that's why I think its gross.
What? I was just singing. Sheesh what a vain tsundere tiger!
palmtop-tiger said:
Gross
palmtop-tiger said:
No I don't, that's why I think its gross.
I don't think you're gross, catman.
But I'm all sweaty right now and I feel gross.
palmtop-tiger said:
But I'm all sweaty right now and I feel gross.
I don't mind.
Confession: Lately I've been really into AKB48.
Confession: Lately I've been really into Sega Game Gear.
I think I'll buy a blue one too.
nEveR.Fly_ said:
Confession: Lately I've been really into AKB48.
Now we know what you've really been up to!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APINACA
AKB48 (APINACA, N-(1-adamantyl)-1-pentyl-1H-indazole-3-carboxamide) is a drug that acts as a reasonably potent agonist for the cannabinoid receptors,[1] with a Ki of 304.5nM and a EC50 of 585nM at CB1.[citation needed] It had never previously been reported in the scientific or patent literature, and was first identified by laboratories in Japan in March 2012 as an ingredient in synthetic cannabis smoking blends, along with a related compound APICA.[2] Structurally it closely resembles cannabinoid compounds from patent WO 2003/035005 but with a simple pentyl chain on the indazole 1-position, and AKB48 falls within the claims of this patent despite not being disclosed as an example. AKB48 was made illegal in Japan in 2012,[3] and was banned as a temporary class drug in New Zealand from 13 July 2012.[4] It has been banned in Latvia since 14 November 2013. The DEA announced its intent to schedule 16 May 2013. [5]
nEveR.Fly_ said:
Confession: Lately I've been really into AKB48.
Nefly's planning to buy 100,00 copies of their latest album.
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