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1. 

   Ballatician
   

   based off the animation and art; not tropes, cliches, or trends.

   This question was brought up last night by one of my friends while we were stapling pizza to the wall.

   He claims that it's pretty hard to tell the difference between something made in 2012 vs something made in 2005. He compared Black Lagoon and Jormugand together, and said that determining the era they were made in is impossible.

   To the untrained eye, there are no differences. To hardcore otaku and/or the attentive, you can find differences in today's animation against stuff made in the mid 2000's, but they are very minute.

   I personally think the quality of the animation today is very stiff and cheap compared to masterpieces that came out a while back. The art also has an airbrushed and fake look to it. Almost like the industry took one step back to the early 2000's when people they were adopting computers to color in stuff, and it looked very uncanny.

   What do you guys think?

   Posted 3 years ago # Quote
2. 

   Jello Dream
   

   yesh

   Posted 3 years ago # Quote
3. 

   Palmtop Tsundere
   

   kokuchan said:

   I personally think the quality of the animation today is very stiff and cheap compared to masterpieces that came out a while back. The art also has an airbrushed and fake look to it. Almost like the industry took one step back to the early 2000's when people they were adopting computers to color in stuff, and it looked very uncanny.

   What do you guys think?

   I do believe you can see a difference, but I disagree with your opinion. Looking at anime from the same studio now and then, there is a definite improvement.

   Posted 3 years ago # Quote
4. 

   คภєк๏
   

   kokuchan said:
   To the untrained eye, there are no differences.

   Ha.

   Of course you can choose two specific shows and say they're indistinguishable as to age, but you could also find two where the differences are obvious. The question is over-simplistic.

   Posted 3 years ago # Quote
5. 

   Kudi
   

   It's definitely different.

   2010s stuff has more polish except where polish is consciously rejected (see Nichijou), but mid-2000s tends to have more charm.

   Posted 3 years ago # Quote
6. 

   Ballatician
   

   I;m not doing general comparisons, I'm taking the best of the best from these eras and comparing the two to see how they stack up.

   Even if contemporary anime has a little bit more "polish" from the computer processed effects, it still doesn't matter because designs are simplistic, and the animation isn't fluid at all. A lot of studios use certain effects like blurring or camera shaking to make the animation flow better and hide the fact that they had to cut corners in the action scenes (from what little action anime we have these days).

   Mid 2000's anime had a bit more detail in the art. The animation was considerably fluid too. However, the use of effects weren't as widespread. So whenever they cut costs in animation, it was obvious. Some anime from that time period have a modern day shine to it, but it's only because they had higher budgets which allowed to experiment with different after effects.

   Though, it's worth noting a lot of contemporary tropes and cliches started in the mid 2000's. Particularly coming from Kyoani. But I digress.

   Posted 3 years ago # Quote
7. 

   McSquid
   

   It's a bit silly to compare 2005 anime to 2012/2013 anime as far as style, design, and quality go. The early and middle part of last decade marked a transition period between cell-based animation of the 1990's and today's fluid computer-influenced animation quality, much of which has been outsourced from Japan to other Asian countries. There are series from the middle part of last decade that look more like something from the late 90's as well as series that look like something produced today, often by the same studio. Compare Maburaho with Ai Yori Aoshi: Enishi, both produced in 2003 by JC Staff. The former has a 90's style to it, the latter looks almost like something recent.

   Subtle differences are noticeable over the course of a few years, but you have to put things in perspective: there are a few old-school members here who watched and remember anime from the 90's, 80's, and even decades before. To some of us, while we may note differences in production quality/levels between 2005 and 2013, it's small compared to 2005 and 1997, or 1997 and 1989.

   Posted 3 years ago # Quote
8. 

   McSquid
   

   Also, coloring and animation quality have improved across the board, and are consistent both between different series and within the same series. Up until the middle part of last decade, it was common for studios to have several teams work on the same series: an "A" team would do most of the important episodes and a "B" or even "C" team would do all the filler, and the difference showed. The budget a series received was also readily apparent: not so today where there's practically no difference in quality between a TV episode and an OVA/OAD. If you think the industry has taken a step down, you should watch some typical 26-episode series from the 1990's and see the difference in quality between various episodes and seasons. I rewatched all three original seasons of Slayers recently, and quite frankly, at least half the episodes of the first season look like shit compared to even the mediocre episodes of the second and third seasons.

   Posted 3 years ago # Quote
9. 

   Nin
   

   kokuchan said:
   I personally think the quality of the animation today is very stiff and cheap compared to masterpieces that came out a while back.

   That's an unfair comparison. The quality of animation back then is very stiff and cheap compared to today's masterpieces as well.

   kudichan said:
   polish is consciously rejected

   http://archive.jta.org/article/1952/12/11/3034028/israel-to-reject-polish-demand-for-recall-of-minister

   Posted 3 years ago # Quote
10. 

    giascle
    

    I can tell the difference because everything looks like K-ON! now.

    Posted 3 years ago # Quote
11. 

    Kudi
    

    Ninsheart said:

    http://archive.jta.org/article/1952/12/11/3034028/israel-to-reject-polish-demand-for-recall-of-minister

    Quite right.

    Fucking Polacks.

    giascle said:
    I can tell the difference because everything looks like K-ON! now.

    Basically, yes:

    kokuchan said:

    Though, it's worth noting a lot of contemporary tropes and cliches started in the mid 2000's. Particularly coming from Kyoani.

    Posted 3 years ago # Quote
12. 

    Myballz
    

    So people have a hard time telling the Art style used in Animation when it comes down to quality of the animation?

    Here is an example of Anime that had been made in 2004 yet people thought it was made in 1990's called Grenadier because of the quality. Studio Live, Group TAC had technical issues making the Anime according to there documentary.

    Posted 3 years ago # Quote
13. 

    Peter Barton
    

    This:
    

    Came out at the same time as this:
    

    Posted 3 years ago # Quote
14. 

    คภєк๏
    

    So that's why people always forget the poor sliders. Stupid dub.

    Posted 3 years ago # Quote
15. 

    Sylphin
    

    Oh gawd, I cant stand the DUBS.

    Posted 3 years ago # Quote
16. 

    Peter Barton
    

    I like the dub. If you want bad dubs check out the ones done in Singapore.

    Posted 3 years ago # Quote
17. 

    คภєк๏
    

    There are some that I don't mind. I was just making a general complaint about how often you lose something of the original.

    Posted 3 years ago # Quote
18. 

    Sylphin
    

    I dont want to ruin myself of the impression dubs give me, its already bad enough. I myself live in Singapore, TBH I have never touch/purchase any anime related things that was sold in local.
    The worst I've seen they have sold anime from Fansubbers if not its stupid sub with stupid broken english. I bet ones done from Singapore are in Singlish? LOL

    Posted 3 years ago # Quote
19. 

    Nefly
    

    Peter Barton said:

    That reminds me. I still haven't watched Haruhi, and I probably never will.

    Posted 3 years ago # Quote
20. 

    Peter Barton
    

    sylphin said:
    I dont want to ruin myself of the impression dubs give me, its already bad enough. I myself live in Singapore, TBH I have never touch/purchase any anime related things that was sold in local.
    The worst I've seen they have sold anime from Fansubbers if not its stupid sub with stupid broken english. I bet ones done from Singapore are in Singlish? LOL

    Here's one:
    

    Geneon and Bandai were off shoring dubs to Signapore for awhile for the US Market.

    nEveR.Fly_ said:

    That reminds me. I still haven't watched Haruhi, and I probably never will.

    It's a legitimately good show, even if it was hyped up like no other. Endless 8 was still a bad decision and I really wish Bandai was allowed to go with their idea on doing joke dubs for some of those episodes (like having the VAs swap roles, getting Texas VAs, etc.).

    Posted 3 years ago # Quote

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