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   Not a troll witch
   

   In what has to be one of the dumbest knee jerk reactions I've seen since 9-11 and the passing of the unpatriot act Japan has decided to take all their nuclear power plants off line.

   Nuclear power supplied around 30% of Japans power and was one of the few domestic energy sources.
   Right now it's for maintenance and safety inspections of course smarter would be to do this sequentially starting with oldest and most at risk plants.
   Now the dumb part imported natural gas and oil is being used to make up the power short comings but this is both extremely expensive as these energy sources are 2 to 3 times as expensive as coal and nuclear power but also unable to keep up with demand.
   They expect a 20% power shortage this summer causing rolling black outs and power rationing.

   Some groups want to leave them off line permanently though what would they replace them with?
   http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0505/Japanese-cheer-unplugging-of-last-nuclear-plant

   I can understand maybe phasing them out over ten or 15 years which would give enough time for alternatives like wind and geothermal to replace them.
   But shutting them down all at once without a viable and affordable replacement is economically suicidal.

   Posted 1 year ago #
2. 

   Kudeh
   

   Two nukes wasn't enough

   Posted 1 year ago #
3. 

   Kan Ika
   

   The population hasn't shrunk enough yet. Should've waited 20-30 years.

   Posted 1 year ago #
4. 

   Not a troll witch
   

   kanika said:
   The population hasn't shrunk enough yet. Should've waited 20-30 years.

   Unfortunately the amount of energy used per person tends to climb over time.
   A good example a house built in the 1950s would have had a 60 amp service one built today has a 100 to 200 amp service line.

   Posted 1 year ago #
5. 

   Kan Ika
   

   Char said:

   Unfortunately the amount of energy used per person tends to climb over time.
   A good example a house built in the 1950s would have had a 60 amp service one built today has a 100 to 200 amp service line.

   You're not factoring in the increase in square footage of a typical American house since the 1950's by a factor of 2.5 (American houses are obscenely large for the number of people they hold, which has shrunk since the 1950's). Besides, per-capita energy use in the US has been flat since the 1970's.

   Japan, which doesn't have its population sprawled all over the map in low density patterns like the US, simply has to continue using what it has more efficiently: Same principle that applies to its steady-state of capital investment in its economy.

   Posted 1 year ago #
6. 

   Not a troll witch
   

   Yah I forgot to consider that better climate control technology and insulation has countered the explosion of electronic devices.

   Another interesting fact the declines energy use coincide with economic down turns which also in turns coincides with when energy prices were high.
   The 1970s oil crisis ,early 80s recession, and 2008-9 recession are clearly visible in the graph.

   I may not be an economist but the scientist and engineer in me says these events appear to be closely related.

   Posted 1 year ago #
7. 

   Mascarpone
   

   I know i'm going to get some hate for saying this, but... I don't think the world is ready for nuclear power yet. Maybe sometime in the future but not right now.

   Posted 1 year ago #
8. 

   Not a troll witch
   

   mascarpone said:
   I know i'm going to get some hate for saying this, but... I don't think the world is ready for nuclear power yet. Maybe sometime in the future but not right now.

   I disagree as thorium specifically LFTR is a safe form of nuclear power and may be the technology that saves the planet.
   It's even safer then fossil fuels esp when an oil tanker or off shore platform aka accident waiting to happen is involved.
   Nuclear need not involve plutonium or the technology necessary to make nuclear bombs.

   Also it would be kinda hard ie almost impossible to explore the solar system without RTGs and nuclear reactors.

   Posted 1 year ago #
9. 

   EleutheroZeroONE
   

   How about building more wind and solar power plants?

   Posted 1 year ago #
10. 

    Kudeh
    

    mascarpone said:
    I know i'm going to get some hate for saying this, but... I don't think the world is ready for nuclear power yet. Maybe sometime in the future but not right now.

    The world is perfectly ready for nuclear power from a technological point of view.

    It just isn't ready in the sense that people are faggots and immediately associate the word "nuclear" with "Hiroshima". Once we get rid of that faggotry, nuclear energy might become the most important source of fuel in the world.

    Posted 1 year ago #
11. 

    Not a troll witch
    

    EleutheroZeroONE said:
    How about building more wind and solar power plants?

    Also a solution but location is everything here.

    Posted 1 year ago #
12. 

    Kudeh
    

    EleutheroZeroONE said:
    How about building more wind and solar power plants?

    GAY

    Posted 1 year ago #
13. 

    Mascarpone
    

    Char said:

    I disagree as thorium specifically LFTR is a safe form of nuclear power sand may be the technology that saves the planet.
    It's even safer then fossil fuels esp when an oil tanker or off shore platform aka accident waiting to happen is involved.
    Nuclear need not involve plutonium or the technology necessary to make nuclear bombs.

    Also it would be kinda hard ie almost impossible to explore the solar system without RTGs and nuclear reactors.

    Never thought of that. I don't know as much about science as you do though, but I am kinda interested.

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    Dirty Pair
    

    kudichan said:

    The world is perfectly ready for nuclear power from a technological point of view.

    I totally agree, but what about the waste?

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15. 

    pikkamakk
    

    dirtypair said:

    I totally agree, but what about the waste?

    Dig a deep hole, put it in, then fill with concrete.

    Posted 1 year ago #
16. 

    Dan Hibiki
    

    Solar and wind sound like a good idea. plus Japan is like all coastal so they're bound to have some good wind.

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17. 

    Not a troll witch
    

    danhibiki said:
    Solar and wind sound like a good idea. plus Japan is like all coastal so they're bound to have some good wind.

    Wind would work pretty good but solar not as well but it still could help summer peak demands.

    A good total power grid solution for Japan thorium cycle molten salt reactors and geothermal as base level power generation plus solar,wind,and tidal hydro for peaking.

    Things to avoid natural gas as Japan has none and it's expensive to ship though it's still ok for heating and emergency peak generation and oil it's price and availability are very volatile.
    It's bad enough to have transportation being subject to these issues.

    Plus it's best to avoid doing business with countries like Iran.

    Posted 1 year ago #
18. 

    lil rude bitch
    

    Char said:

    Plus it's best to avoid doing business with countries like Iran.

    Why?

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19. 

    pikkamakk
    

    acaringgirl said:

    Why?

    Do you want to wear a beekeeper-suit?

    Posted 1 year ago #
20. 

    Mæriden
    

    dirtypair said:

    I totally agree, but what about the waste?

    If cartoons ever taught us anything, it's that we should put garbage on a rocket and fire it into space

    Posted 1 year ago #

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