Japan's Immigration Control: Gulag for Gaijin

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Eleriel

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2012/01/japans-immigration-control

Reading that made my blood both chill and boil at the same time...
If it's true, it's ... just plain fucked up.
for that to happen in a country that prides itself on the good manners of its citizens? I mean sure, they've always been xenophobic, but this is beyond ... anything.

small excerpt:

I grabbed my phone from them, since they still had my passport and bags. I called a friend. “Quick, call the police. Tell them I’m in the immigration office, Narita terminal one.” The immigration officers derided me. “Police do not have jurisdiction to come in here,” they laughed. “Narita is a special legal area.”

[ I did a search for this story but nothing showed up and the last related topic was/is two years old, so I'm *reasonably* sure it's not a repost. ]

Posted 4 years ago #
Kudi

Looks like those savages forgot the lesson they learnt with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Methinks we should help them do a little revision.

Posted 4 years ago #
Uncommon0taku

old news,... It helps if you have relatives or friends to help you get set up for a place to stay and then refferences when job hunting.

In other words "connections"

But on the other hand, if you're already rich and just want to go there to spend your money, they're more than happy to welcome you in.

Posted 4 years ago #
McSquid

UncommonOtaku said:
old news,... It helps if you have relatives or friends to help you get set up for a place to stay and then refferences when job hunting.

In other words "connections"

But on the other hand, if you're already rich and just want to go there to spend your money, they're more than happy to welcome you in.

That's almost every country.

Posted 4 years ago #
Dark Mage

Sounds like corruption at it's worst the only fix is to purge Japan's immigration and detention system of people like those immigration officers in the story with extreme prejudice.
Personally I'd go with a bullet to the head.

Don't worry I'm not biased I think US customs and immigration is in need of a similar purge.

Injustice and disrespect for international laws on brutality are one of those things that really pisses me off.

Posted 4 years ago #
桂言葉死

UncommonOtaku said:
old news,... It helps if you have relatives or friends to help you get set up for a place to stay and then refferences when job hunting.

In other words "connections"

But on the other hand, if you're already rich and just want to go there to spend your money, they're more than happy to welcome you in.

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^ TRUE!

For once the cat said something worthy of a post...

Posted 4 years ago #
Eleriel

UncommonOtaku said:
old news,... It helps if you have relatives or friends to help you get set up for a place to stay and then refferences when job hunting.

In other words "connections"

Those things didn't help him... he was on his way *home*, he already had a job. and even, apparently, connections with higher ups in in his homecountry who tried to help from their end.

just some things I'd like to throw out there:
"Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law"
"The Code of Criminal Procedure"

Now, I've seen this kind of thing elsewhere too (mainly, I admit, on the show Border Patrol: Australia), but never this extreme.

let's review:
He was never accused of any crime.
His translator lied about what he was saying.
He was denied a phonecalls, even though signs clearly indicated that he had rights to one. (later he was allowed one because he was well-behaved).
He was physically threatened.
You could argue that he was tortured
They attempted to force him to sign false/fabricated statement/confession.
Airline representatives tried to extort money out of him.
He was told repeatedly that he had no rights.
The Police had no right to interfere.
Japanese politicians couldn't or wouldn't do anything to help.
He was not allowed to pick up his belongings from his home, where he had lived for years.
and finally he was put on a plane and forced to leave the country without any substantiated accusations... he was never told what he had done wrong, if anything.

All of this could have happened just because one of the airport people didn't like the way he looked, and everyone else he met at the airport was already biased against him.

all of this makes it a fucking lottery, and THAT makes it a moral disgrace.

I digress.

Posted 4 years ago #
McSquid

Char said:
Sounds like corruption at it's worst the only fix is to purge Japan's immigration and detention system of people like those immigration officers in the story with extreme prejudice.
Personally I'd go with a bullet to the head.

Don't worry I'm not biased I think US customs and immigration is in need of a similar purge.

Injustice and disrespect for international laws on brutality are one of those things that really pisses me off.

Yeah, but to compare the policy and procedures of a country that lets in millions of people from the third world who don't even speak its language to that of a country which has no history of immigration is kind of unfair...

Posted 4 years ago #
Dark Mage

kanika said:

Yeah, but to compare the policy and procedures of a country that lets in millions of people from the third world that don't even speak its language to that of a country which has no history of immigration is kind of unfair...

Maybe as INS is not this bad.
No civilized country should be treating people like that nor have such terrible corruption among it's police forces.

They were purposefully trying the scam this guy out of money.
Such behavior should result in instant termination and jail time for the officers involved.

This is something I'd expect out of a developing nation but it's absolutely shameful of a first world nation.

It's very much like this story of someone who got arrested in Mexico.
The corruption is exactly the same.

The fix is probably the same as Mexico had to do with their federal investigation branch the corrupted departments will have to be disbanded and rebuilt from the ground up with all new people.

Posted 4 years ago #
StefanKinoshita

I'm speechless. I can't believe this happened in a first-world nation. Ugh, just another thing in the news that makes me believe the whole world's fucked up.

Posted 4 years ago #
Lilith

Japan is an idiotic country whose feudalistic roots are still around. They might be ahead of the curve as far as technology goes, but as far as humans go they are lagging way behind (and they have been, country with most casualties in the Second World War was China).

Thank God for globalization. But even with the Internet, Japanese people just won't mingle. Weirdos.

Posted 4 years ago #
jamesownsall

Bah...

All things said and done, grass will always look greener on the other side, but we're already raised and grown to stay in our own countries.

Even my own country has an ocean's worth of things to complain, but I can't think of a better place, unfortunately.

Posted 4 years ago #
Dark Mage

StefanKinoshita said:
I'm speechless. I can't believe this happened in a first-world nation. Ugh, just another thing in the news that makes me believe the whole world's fucked up.

I has not been this shocked since the stupidly the US did in the wake of 9/11 which BTW I was deeply ashamed of.
This guy only had a visa problem but they treated this guy like a terror suspect.

Most shocking was the out right theft,scamming and fleecing by the immigration bureau I never seen such obvious corruption.

The people of Japan should feel ashamed that one of their government departments is more or less a criminal syndicate.

Posted 4 years ago #
Envoy Loves You

Mm, seems like they took advantage of him because of his visa status. Or for you conspiracy theorists maybe someone powerful ordered him to be "shaken up" a little because he offended him on his reporting duties. In any case, I had a similar, although nowhere as horrible, experience.

I had a job interview in Canary Wharf, London a few years ago, and came back on the DLR. I must have made a mistake somewhere because my ticket came up as invalid at a changing station. A Tube officer approached me, and instead of asking me to pay a fine, he asked me for my cash card and pin number. I said no and he mumbled something like "you guys always come in from canary wharf with your huge salaries"

It was then I realized that he must have thought I was some rich banker from Canary Wharf because I had, naturally, dressed up for the interview. I kept denying his further requests for credit cards and after 15 minutes or so, he allowed me to pay the fine in cash and go.

Posted 4 years ago #
Master Evil The Return!

What the fuck, out of all the places I would expect this to happen.........oh wait, the japanese have not been known for their liking of "foreigners" this disturbs me but does not surprise me in the least and at the end of the day, this just proves that the world is to much of a fucked up place, this is why I can't have a gun if I do, I would have to shoot someone.

Posted 4 years ago #
David Drake

Lilith said:

Thank God for globalization. But even with the Internet, Japanese people just won't mingle. Weirdos.

Good to see you're not overreacting and judging an entire country based on the actions of a handful of scumbags.

Posted 4 years ago #
Trini D. King

daviddrake said:

Good to see you're not overreacting and judging an entire country based on the actions of a handful of scumbags.

If only...

Posted 4 years ago #
David Drake

An unfortunate fact about life is that many of the people who are in positions of power are the last ones that should be allowed any. There's corrupt scumbags like this in every country, many of them wearing police uniforms and whatever those funny wigs are called that judges wear.

Posted 4 years ago #
Master Evil The Return!

daviddrake said:

Good to see you're not overreacting and judging an entire country based on the actions of a handful of scumbags.

Fact:- If you have scene the articles with japanese people mistreating foreigners, you would understand WHY he said that, I agree, judging everyone for the actions of a handful scumbags, however this is not the FIRST and definitely not the last, article of japanese abusing foreigners.

Posted 4 years ago #
David Drake

master-evil said:

Fact:- If you have scene the articles with japanese people mistreating foreigners, you would understand WHY he said that, I agree, judging everyone for the actions of a handful scumbags, however this is not the FIRST and definitely not the last, article of japanese abusing foreigners.

I'm well aware of that, I was just pointing out that, unfortunately, this kind of thing happens in many so - called "Civilised" countries.

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