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Just a quick fast video for anyone that ever thinks that there is any real value is correcting anything we type.
Remember people, English is a fucked up language, so who cares if what you typed is fucked up.
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You know I never noticed how annoying English was until I watched this, still lol'd though
As for the grammar nazi shit as long as I can read it I dont carePosted 4 years ago # -
I think it was a vowel shift hundreds of years ago that screwed up our language. On the bright side, we don't have case or inflection in our language (except for pronouns).
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Fail Kotetsu cosplayer.
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Too bad he was taking about how English is spoken, not how it's written.
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Well, it's not like Japanese is any better.
Take the kanji "楽" for example.
Let's break it down.
It has the radical 白 (shiro), meaning "white." OK, that's understandable.
It also contains 木 (ki), meaning "tree." OK, and add some lines radiating from white.
What could it mean? A holy white tree? Nope, it means...
HAPPINESS or FUN or MUSICAL INSTRUMENT.
Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
Never mind that "楽" can also be read THREE ways: raku, gaku, or tano.
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Time for rants on two of my pet subjects. Scroll down if you're not a language otaku.
Sukunai said:
Just a quick fast video for anyone that ever thinks that there is any real value is correcting anything we type.Remember people, English is a fucked up language, so who cares if what you typed is fucked up.
Pfft, posting George Carlin videos is the lowest form of argument. And I can't take seriously anyone who makes "poem" rhyme with "home".
There are of course good reasons to correct the way people type. It's much easier to read something written in standard English than it is to decipher something written however the writer felt like writing it. That's why we have standardised spelling. We didn't always have it in English, and the written language looked like a complete clusterfuck back then. If things are written in a non-standard way, one has to sound everything out in one's head in order to make sense out of it, which greatly slows down the process of reading. Standardised spelling allows us to instantly recognise words by their shape and read very quickly.
It's also a matter of respect. Not bothering to write in a way that's easy to read shows a lack of respect to the reader. It's like saying "I can't be bothered to write properly, you can do the work". It also leads to being disrespected by the reader, because most people won't take you seriously if you write in text speak all the time. It comes off as uneducated.
What's that I hear you say? This is only a problem because English isn't spelt phonetically? It isn't. Phonetic spelling is actually only phonetic for whatever accent you've decided to use as the standard. It wouldn't be phonetic for most people, unless you have as many standardised forms as you have accents, and then you'd have an epic clusterfuck.
English has standardised spelling, and not abiding by it makes it harder for everyone. Is it fucked up? Yes, but that's just the way it is. Deal with it.
kanigiri said:
I think it was a vowel shift hundreds of years ago that screwed up our language. On the bright side, we don't have case or inflection in our language (except for pronouns).There's a lot more to it than that.
Language change in English has been a little faster than in most languages, but the real issue is that our spelling is based on etymology, meaning that we retain the spellings of words that were pronounced differently back in the day - leading to things like silent letters - and we spell foreign words the way they're spelt in their original language. Since English, Norse, French and Latin all have different orthography, that means we have inconsistent spelling.
We also have an alphabet that was designed for a completely different language. We'd have been better off if we'd kept the Runic alphabet, which is much better suited to Germanic languages. We did originally keep some of the useful letter when we switched to the Latin one, such as thorn for the "th" sound, but they died out, partly thanks to those bastard Normans.
Incidentally, the letter thorn, towards the end of its career, started to look a little like a "y" in some people's handwriting. People mistaking the thorn for a "y" is the reason for all this "ye olde" shit.
The more you know...
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I guess I feel for both sides. Try your best to spell, but don't be that douche who picks out the one mistake because it makes you feel like a smart person.
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triniking1234 said:
Too bad he was taking about how English is spoken, not how it's written.Saym thang!
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kudichan said:
Standardised spelling allows us to instantly recognise words by their shape and read very quickly.kudichan said:
we spell foreign words the way they're spelt in their original language. Since English, Norse, French and Latin all have different orthography, that means we have inconsistent spellingCould be worse.. you could use normal spelling rules on foreign words so you end up with abominations such as 'updated' in Dutch.. I can tell you now that of the Dutch people visiting this forum (Hello Nin/Artwork) none will know how to spell it..
Spoiler: It's "updatete", I kid you not.."He updates" -> "Hij updatet"
"He updated" -> "Hij updatete" (srsly? ye, srsly!)
"I have updated" -> "Ik heb geüpdatet"Posted 4 years ago # -
"Pfft, posting George Carlin videos is the lowest form of argument."
Confusing Gallagher with Carlin (they don't even look similar) is indicative of being too in a rush to post a rebutal.
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I was going to say something but then I realized shoganai already said all that there is to it.
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kudichan said:
Standardised spelling allows us to instantly recognise words by their shape and read very quickly.It's too bad that "standardised" English can still be broken down into American English and British English. Even though I'm quite fond of spelling everything correctly, I still accidentally mix the two up sometimes. Damn, that was the bane of my good grades in English class back in high school.
I guess I'm glad most misspellings are also more or less standardised. But there's no salvaging the enternal your/you're mess...
CC said:
Could be worse.. you could use normal spelling rules on foreign words so you end up with abominations such as 'updated' in Dutch.. I can tell you now that of the Dutch people visiting this forum (Hello Nin/Artwork) none will know how to spell it..
Spoiler: It's "updatete", I kid you not.."He updates" -> "Hij updatet"
"He updated" -> "Hij updatete" (srsly? ye, srsly!)
"I have updated" -> "Ik heb geüpdatet"Not to mention "geë-maild". What an abomination.
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Sukunai said:
"Pfft, posting George Carlin videos is the lowest form of argument."Confusing Gallagher with Carlin (they don't even look similar) is indicative of being too in a rush to post a rebutal.
When you're as sexy as me, you don't have to get the little details right!
And they both have that same tendency of grossly oversimplifying a complex issue and talking about how stupid everyone is for not seeing the right answer. Obviously, in comedy one often oversimplifies things for laughs, but oversimplified jokes shouldn't be presented as serious arguments. This is why I rage when I watch South Park.
CC said:
I'm not sure what your intention was, but I'd say that this actually backs up my point that spelling does matter.
Firstly, the words that were misspelt sometimes took me a little time to work out (less than a second, but it's still an annoyance), and secondly, it proves that the shape of the words matter (in this respect, reading English might not be as different from reading Chinese as people think). Certain spelling mistakes don't matter to comprehension, but there are others, particularly the kind of unnecessary abbreviations that people make to save keystrokes, that completely alter the shape. Writing "u" instead of "you" is a classic example. French textspeak is a brilliant example, and they all seem to insist on using it all the time over there. Shit's hard to read.
Pacpon said:
I guess I feel for both sides. Try your best to spell, but don't be that douche who picks out the one mistake because it makes you feel like a smart person.Do people actually do it because it makes them feel smart? I think this interpretation of grammar/fact Nazism is a result of projection. Some people feel stupid whenever they're corrected and see it as some kind of challenge or personal insult, so they assume that the grammar/fact Nazi has the same mentality of one-upmanship.
I'm almost certain that most grammar and fact Nazis just get annoyed by inaccuracy or see it as constructive criticism.
Ninsheart said:
It's too bad that "standardised" English can still be broken down into American English and British English. Even though I'm quite fond of spelling everything correctly, I still accidentally mix the two up sometimes. Damn, that was the bane of my good grades in English class back in high school.
And if that's confusing, imagine if there were a different standard for every major city (and sometimes more than one; look at the variety of native London accents). Thankfully, the differences in the written forms of American and British English are incredibly minor.
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CC said:
aulacity?
Which word is this supposed to be?
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"Actually"
Personally, I had some real trouble reading "ohrets". It definitely took me over ten seconds, divided over three tries. It's a bit slovenly that they broke "misspelt" up into two words as well.
[Edit] Wait a moment... It can't be "actually"... What the hell?
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Ninsheart said:
[Edit] Wait a moment... It can't be "actually"... What the hell?
Ha Ha.
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What the text says isn't completley true, either. Could anyone simply read over something spelled "eabisnhmesltt" and read it as "establishment"? I think not. They definitely have to keep all letters close to their original places.
[Edit] And now that I look at it some more... What is "rdgnieg"? What is "lterter"? Kinda dumb, if you ask me.
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And it also has to be a word that you're accustomed reading.
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Or perhaps it's the context that makes it easy to read. You're expecting certain words to show up next, so you read those words.
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