^ wall of text lol
Hyouka got boring really fast, still nice to look at though.
VillainousHanacha said:
(SHAFT maybe one of my favorite Anime Studios, but I'll be the first to admit that they are not good animators. They are great at the artistic half of things, being excellent visual artists, but poor at the technical side of things).
Where does this false assumption that SHAFT aren't good animators come from anyway?
change it to 720p first
werty101 said:
^ wall of text lolHyouka got boring really fast, still nice to look at though.
Where does this false assumption that SHAFT aren't good animators come from anyway?
change it to 720p first
My cpu is more ancient than the ideas that inhabit Ishihara's head, so it would probably crash before a 720p video would finish loading. I'll just take your word for it, because I know of that scene.
As for how good SHAFT is at Animating, maybe I'm being overly harsh. SHAFT are not horrible Animators by far. But compared to the lights of KyoAni (say what you will about the content, their works are of a consistently top notch visual quality), there really is no comparison. SHAFT's TV runs oft times have off models, and outside of scenes where the budget was clearly bottlenecked too (like in that fight scene, or the 2 fights in Nisemonogatari) there is little fluidity in the character's motions. All seasons of Zetsubou-sensei I think are the most "SHAFT-like" of all their Anime (in that it relied completely on visual artistry to make up for poor animation. And for the most part, it worked perfectly). When SHAFT wants to, they can make scenes that are well animated. However it is obvious that they bottleneck the budget to these scenes, as there is a big jump in animation quality (though not as bad as Gainax). I do think however that certain things (read: Fight Scenes and any high movement scenes) require good animation to look nice and to be entertaining. So if you must bottleneck to make these scenes look good, then do so. What I like about KyoAni, ufotable and Madhouse (on a good day) is that they keep the same high quality constant and throughout the work.
To be honest, I don't care most of the time that SHAFT are not the best animators in the world. Most shows they adapt have the dialogue as their strongest point so that doesn't require good animation. Their visual flare is perfect because it gives your eyes something mesmerizing so the dialogue doesn't ware on you too much (and just because you know, it looks nice). The only time I really cared about their animating skills was with Madoka, as it was a more action-centric premise that had enemies that were billed as (and shown to be) very dangerous. However I was not very fond of the fight scenes in Madoka, partly because SHAFT is not that strong in the animating area (though that was the least of my problems with Madoka, but I prefer not to talk at length about that series).
However at the end of the day, SHAFT's works don't really require top notch animation to begin with, and like many other studios are capable of really good animation when they bottleneck their budget. But their signature visual style is what they are best at, their Animation capabilities are generally average.
For KyoAni however, what amazes me is that they give shows like Clannad and K-ON, which really don't need good animation in the first place, their excellent animating effort anyway. However SHAFT still has it's amazing visual artistry. But what blew me away with Hyouka is that it's the same KyoAni quality, but with some of SHAFTs surreal visuals. I will admit that SHAFT is capable of good animation, but you also have to admit that SHAFT-quality animation to KyoAni-quality animation is a pretty sizeable bump.
Though I'm not surprised that not many are fans of Hyouka. It's very slow paced and not everyone will dig the very mundane nature of the mysteries.
Lol, I think Wertyxious is worry about, the fact that he's gonna get a wall of text again for replying with a few sentence, I know you took the time to write them but, seriously sometime you suld just summarise them short and sweet or just highlight the important part, no offence here but sometimes lookin at a wall of text just kills the mood, for me at least.
Well as for Hyoka, the cast are all lovable, especially Houtaro(Mystery Solver), and Chitanda (Mystery Magnet), as for his friend I kinda like the way he is pushing him to solve all those mystery, but for Ibara she hasnt done anything yet really.
I don't mind a thorough analysis, but that one seemed a bit repetitive to me.
Nah it's fine and he's right for the most part.
It really seemed like SHAFT was cutting corners with some of those fights in Madoka. Especially in ep 11, where it started really good but then it's like they run out of budget in mid fight. They fixed it in the BD release but it still doesn't look as good as it could've.
All in all SHAFT can animate really well if they want, but most of the time they don't need to.
As for Hyouka, well the anime wasted 20 minutes on some bullshit analysis over why some students borrow a certain book from the library, instead of... oh I don't know JUST ASKING ONE OF THEM.
The mysteries in this anime aren't even Scooby-Doo level.
At this point the only thing that keeps me from dropping it is Chitanda.
VillainousHanacha said:
I do think however that certain things (read: Fight Scenes and any high movement scenes) require good animation to look nice and to be entertaining.
Yea, too bad KyoAni doesn't do those anymore.
werty101 said:
The mysteries in this anime aren't even Scooby-Doo level.
Lol, Scooby-Doo's mystery is full of BS, chasing around stupid monster that turn out to be human in disguise? Even grade 3 can see tru it.
Honestly, I think I'd rather watch wacky chase scenes with people in rubber monster suits than episode 4 of Hyouka again.
My God was that boooooring.
I haven't been this bored since Mouretsu Pirates.
^ This was my face when watching that episode.
But like I said, there's still Chitanda and really nice visuals so it's not all that bad.
aneko said:
I don't mind a thorough analysis, but that one seemed a bit repetitive to me.
I will admit that this one wasn't my best. I was about to go to sleep but then I noticed I got a response that piqued my interest (Wertyxious' of course) so I just decided to write. After I was done I was bone tired and then I went to sleep. I was just too weary to fully keep track of what I was writing, and so it's not up to my normal standard. But most of the time when I write textwalls it's a spur of the moment thing. I guess I just need to be aware of how much energy I have at the time.
Yea, too bad KyoAni doesn't do those anymore.
Well one of the things I mentioned that I like about KyoAni was that they put out stuff that quite frankly doesn't need good animation (like K-ON, Clannad, Nichijou and Hyouka as well) and give it consistently great animation regardless (Nichijou in particular was practically movie-quality). SHAFT is not horrible but they are spotty and inconsistent. But enough on that, as I have stated that multiple times.
As for Hyouka itself, needless to say I like it's content as well as it's stunning visuals. Though even the piece of content you like (Chitanda) I am not so fond of myself. I think it's just better to say "Agree to Disagree" and be done with it. Besides Reimu, I heard that the denizens of the Scarlet Devil Mansion are acting up again. Don't you have better things to be doing?
I cant last the 2nd loop lol.
sylphin said:
I cant last the 2nd loop lol.
Even though the mini Chitandas are dressed as angels, the longer I watched it the more demonic the Chitandas seemed.
I had to stop eventually as the mushroom-like mini Chitandas and their Kininarimasu deluge were beginning to work their way into the darkest depths of my soul....
sylphin said:
Lol, I think Wertyxious is worry about, the fact that he's gonna get a wall of text again for replying with a few sentence, I know you took the time to write them but, seriously sometime you suld just summarise them short and sweet or just highlight the important part, no offence here but sometimes lookin at a wall of text just kills the mood, for me at least.Well as for Hyoka, the cast are all lovable, especially Houtaro(Mystery Solver), and Chitanda (Mystery Magnet), as for his friend I kinda like the way he is pushing him to solve all those mystery, but for Ibara she hasnt done anything yet really.
There's NOTHING wrong with a "Wall of text" when you have points to make. Just admit YOU'RE Lazy or it's too taxing to READ whole thought forms.
Goto back to Twitter is want tiny byte sized ramblings from strangers - lol.
I'm NOT attacking you!... just commenting on the "Wall of text" comment - lol
Z-Cune Aoi anime! Someday it will happen...
Well it's getting it's own manga spin-off so that's good enough for now I suppose.
VillainousHanacha said:
Well one of the things I mentioned that I like about KyoAni was that they put out stuff that quite frankly doesn't need good animation (like K-ON, Clannad, Nichijou and Hyouka as well) and give it consistently great animation regardless (Nichijou in particular was practically movie-quality).
I know but wouldn't it be great if they actually made something that does require good animation for a change? Nichijou being an exception of course.
werty101 said:
Honestly, I think I'd rather watch wacky chase scenes with people in rubber monster suits than episode 4 of Hyouka again.My God was that boooooring.
I haven't been this bored since Mouretsu Pirates.>snip<
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Moretsu has had its declining moments that's for sure and true.
However, I am (still) watching it, if just for the two main's - however - for the story? - nah! - it drifted into space as if their ship had no power crystals to fuel it any-longer... its actually grasping..
I have noticed some slight deviation from the quality factor, as its not as it was when it started, I just wished they would add more action into it to break up the monotony.
However...
I watched the - 'Another OVA' -
Its pretty good in mind fucking you on some scenes, as it was cleverly used, unexpected and I appreciated those surprising moments...
so I wasn't disappointed...it was a good solid explanation imo..
Deth said:
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Moretsu has had its declining moments that's for sure and true.
However, I am (still) watching it, if just for the two main's - however - for the story? - nah! - it drifted into space as if their ship had no power crystals to fuel it any-longer... its actually grasping..
I have noticed some slight deviation from the quality factor, as its not as it was when it started, I just wished they would add more action into it to break up the monotony.
Ah, Mouretsu Pirates. I have continued to watch it, but I openly admit that it took me a LONG time to actually get into it and even now I find it a slight bit tedious and I don't anticipate it as much as the other things I'm watching (like Jormungand, Lupin III, Acchi Kocchi or AKB0048). I don't even anticipate them as much as Nyaruko-san or Hyouka, both of which are shows which have elements I dislike but I still like quite a bit.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I came in with the wrong idea of the show. I got the wrong expectation in my head, and I got disappointed as a result (something that happened to me with Ben-To). When I first read the Moetron description and saw the images of a cute girl in a stereotypical Pirate outfit and the mostly female cast members, I got the idea in my head that it would be silly, lighthearted show with some "zany antics" and some Class S friendships. I was ready for something easygoing, a show I could look forward to every week that I could kick back, relax and laugh with.
I turned out to be only right about the Class S friendship (although the show surprised me again by going beyond the Romantic 2 Girl Friendship and having actual out lesbians. Thank you Jenny and Lynn for giving us Yuri that isn't subtext)!
But besides the love between girls, I was totally wrong about the show. What I got was a very legitimate space-base Sci-Fi show, and it is far harder Sci-Fi than I was expecting, as well as being harder Sci-Fi than a good deal of Anime in general (I notice that Anime tends to softer Sci-Fi, even Real Robot tends to be pretty soft Sci-Fi). There are a lot of explanations, a lot of technobabble, a lot of world building. And not a lot of action, so there is nothing to really balance it all out.
However I must admit that I am biased against such a thing in the first place. I have always had the preference for Fantasy over Sci-Fi, and if I do watch Sci-Fi I prefer it soft, so it's less realistic and feels more like fantasy. Mouretsu Pirates is already something I wouldn't be too excited about, and the fact that I came in with the wrong expectations compounded the issue.
Also the show is VERY slow paced (as one would expect of hard Sci-Fi). The show is super dialogue heavy, and unlike say the Monogatari series or SZS, it's not very interesting dialogue to me. It's a lot of technobabble and political intrigue-type dialogue, which is stifling in large amounts. And because of the realism level that comes with harder Sci-Fi, there is very little fighting involved. There is conflict, but it's resolved with negotiations and quick wit, not laser cannons (which the Bentenmaru has) or boarding the enemy vessel. Granted, it is entertaining to see Marika's guile and quick wit as she gains it latter on in the show, but there isn't much of a balance in the show's content because of it.
The show also takes awhile to really hit it's stride, because it spent a great deal of time in the early episodes world building. Not a bad thing most definitely, but I feel that Mouretsu Pirates took too long to do it, or should have spread it out more evenly throughout the show, instead of most of it being in the beginning. It wasn't until episode 6 or so that I became genuinely interested, and even then how engaging I find the show waxes and wanes. I wasn't super interested in the finding of the Serenity ghost ship arc until near it's end, and I though the show was at it's best (so far) during the "kidnapping" of Jenny arc. The tension of that arc was very nice and I found it the most entertaining (also that arc gave us non-subtextual Yuri! YAY!!!)
Also something else (although this is a bit more subjective). I am not so fond of this show's definition of a Pirate (really they're Privateers, more on that in a second). They're job seems to be one part performance artist and one part handymen/odd job people. The odd job/handyman thing I can get, because the Pirates really are Privateers and therefore are basically government forces with more leeway in their actions. The performance art thing of "Boarding" Cruise ships and "Plundering" the goods of the ship and passengers just seems odd to me. I think they gave a reason in-universe but it still seems strange to me.
I don't think the show is objectively bad, and there are parts that entertain me, but I'm just not particularly in love with it. The hard Sci-Fi is not my cup of tea in the first place, the show is wordy with nothing to counterbalance it, how engaged the show keeps you waxes and wanes, I'm personally not really in love with any of the characters (except Chiaki and maybe Marika, but we barely see Chiaki after a certain point), and it takes a while to really "Start." But there parts where it's genuinely interesting, and there is nothing I overtly hate nor any character that really rubs me the wrong way. I'm glad I picked it up and stuck with it, but I wouldn't buy it.
To be honest I think old school fans would be more interested in a series like this as they would like the harder than what is normal for Anime Sci-Fi, the slower pacing and large amount of world building.
^fk me, so much wall of text....
I've just comeback from trip to Thailand, and this is what i watched
Crimson Girl OVA - Not bad, the sex scene is decent, definitely do justice toward Crimson doujin
Hisoka Drop - Meh, just meh, pink pineapple, you bored me to death
Kyonyuu Fantasy - Pretty decent, story too long, not enough sex scene, but damn those titties
Hime sama gentei - PoRo start to wear me out with their same format...meh
Pisu Hame 2 - i love Shiwasu no Okina stuff, so no complain here
Elf Hime - Pixy still disappoint me, it could have turn out to be great stuff
Otome Dori - The winner of this month comes from Mary Jane production...hardcore, this is so NTR hardcore and i'm loving it
baronight said:
^fk me, so much wall of text....
It is a discussion thread.
VillainousHanacha said:
Ah, Mouretsu Pirates. I have continued to watch it, but I openly admit that it took me a LONG time to actually get into it and even now I find it a slight bit tedious and I don't anticipate it as much as the other things I'm watching (like Jormungand, Lupin III, Acchi Kocchi or AKB0048). I don't even anticipate them as much as Nyaruko-san or Hyouka, both of which are shows which have elements I dislike but I still like quite a bit.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I came in with the wrong idea of the show. I got the wrong expectation in my head, and I got disappointed as a result (something that happened to me with Ben-To). When I first read the Moetron description and saw the images of a cute girl in a stereotypical Pirate outfit and the mostly female cast members, I got the idea in my head that it would be silly, lighthearted show with some "zany antics" and some Class S friendships. I was ready for something easygoing, a show I could look forward to every week that I could kick back, relax and laugh with.
I turned out to be only right about the Class S friendship (although the show surprised me again by going beyond the Romantic 2 Girl Friendship and having actual out lesbians. Thank you Jenny and Lynn for giving us Yuri that isn't subtext)!
But besides the love between girls, I was totally wrong about the show. What I got was a very legitimate space-base Sci-Fi show, and it is far harder Sci-Fi than I was expecting, as well as being harder Sci-Fi than a good deal of Anime in general (I notice that Anime tends to softer Sci-Fi, even Real Robot tends to be pretty soft Sci-Fi). There are a lot of explanations, a lot of technobabble, a lot of world building. And not a lot of action, so there is nothing to really balance it all out.
However I must admit that I am biased against such a thing in the first place. I have always had the preference for Fantasy over Sci-Fi, and if I do watch Sci-Fi I prefer it soft, so it's less realistic and feels more like fantasy. Mouretsu Pirates is already something I wouldn't be too excited about, and the fact that I came in with the wrong expectations compounded the issue.
Also the show is VERY slow paced (as one would expect of hard Sci-Fi). The show is super dialogue heavy, and unlike say the Monogatari series or SZS, it's not very interesting dialogue to me. It's a lot of technobabble and political intrigue-type dialogue, which is stifling in large amounts. And because of the realism level that comes with harder Sci-Fi, there is very little fighting involved. There is conflict, but it's resolved with negotiations and quick wit, not laser cannons (which the Bentenmaru has) or boarding the enemy vessel. Granted, it is entertaining to see Marika's guile and quick wit as she gains it latter on in the show, but there isn't much of a balance in the show's content because of it.
The show also takes awhile to really hit it's stride, because it spent a great deal of time in the early episodes world building. Not a bad thing most definitely, but I feel that Mouretsu Pirates took too long to do it, or should have spread it out more evenly throughout the show, instead of most of it being in the beginning. It wasn't until episode 6 or so that I became genuinely interested, and even then how engaging I find the show waxes and wanes. I wasn't super interested in the finding of the Serenity ghost ship arc until near it's end, and I though the show was at it's best (so far) during the "kidnapping" of Jenny arc. The tension of that arc was very nice and I found it the most entertaining (also that arc gave us non-subtextual Yuri! YAY!!!)
Also something else (although this is a bit more subjective). I am not so fond of this show's definition of a Pirate (really they're Privateers, more on that in a second). They're job seems to be one part performance artist and one part handymen/odd job people. The odd job/handyman thing I can get, because the Pirates really are Privateers and therefore are basically government forces with more leeway in their actions. The performance art thing of "Boarding" Cruise ships and "Plundering" the goods of the ship and passengers just seems odd to me. I think they gave a reason in-universe but it still seems strange to me.
I don't think the show is objectively bad, and there are parts that entertain me, but I'm just not particularly in love with it. The hard Sci-Fi is not my cup of tea in the first place, the show is wordy with nothing to counterbalance it, how engaged the show keeps you waxes and wanes, I'm personally not really in love with any of the characters (except Chiaki and maybe Marika, but we barely see Chiaki after a certain point), and it takes a while to really "Start." But there parts where it's genuinely interesting, and there is nothing I overtly hate nor any character that really rubs me the wrong way. I'm glad I picked it up and stuck with it, but I wouldn't buy it.
To be honest I think old school fans would be more interested in a series like this as they would like the harder than what is normal for Anime Sci-Fi, the slower pacing and large amount of world building.
Hardcore autism
Softcore trolling.
aneko said:
Softcore trolling.
Stating the truth isn't trolling
Non sequitur.
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