I think it's fine because the comments in reply to a comment follows the initial comment when its marked up or down, thus having no problem with chronology. And also
Artefact said:
The Sankaku Complex philosophy has always been that "most popular" = "excellent" I'm afraid.
Arte mentioned his reasoning and explained, and like Nin posted - To give it some time to fester a lil'bit.
I concur its fine now. It could very well cure the attention whores from posting just for posting the first posts.
^_^
Artefact said:
The default (for anyone who does not set it otherwise) will be staying as score. It has some very strong advantages, such as pushing the excellent comments to the very top where people can easily find them and thus encouraging people to read the comments, dumping threads consisting of two anons insulting each others' mommas down to the very bottom, creating a more dynamic comments area where discussions not started 10 minutes after the post was made can actually garner some attention, and also totally eliminating the first post/"I'm just posting into the topmost thread to get my comment noticed" issue.
But doesn't this make new comments harder to notice? New comments with a score of 0 will just go down to the middle and nobody will care to read down that far because all the "excellent" comments are all at the top. Most users won't bother looking to see if the comment was just posted and will assume that it's not worth reading because it's not at the top. Plus, users are still going to reply to which ever comment is at the top just to get noticed.
alex251 said:
excellent and popular comments are two totally different things
sometimes when I write a totally random comment it gets +1.0 and I don't even know why
For a while, I was in the top 5 for highest monthly score (this was before I took my break from Sancon). Most of my comments that got a score of +1.0 were usually small, simple comments.
Most of the users on Sancon are very simple when it comes to voting. Just post a comment about how much you hate censorship and feminazis/Unicef/Agnes Chan/CNN/Ishihara/whoever is currently targeting otaku (even if the article has no relation to that) and you'll get a score of +1.0 and a long chain of users agreeing with you (all of whom will also have a high score for their comments as well).
Or if the article is about a 2ch goddess or a cosplayer, just say that the girl is the most beautiful girl ever. Instant +1.0!
H-Ero said:
But doesn't this make new comments harder to notice? New comments with a score of 0 will just go down to the middle and nobody will care to read down that far because all the "excellent" comments are all at the top. Most users won't bother looking to see if the comment was just posted and will assume that it's not worth reading because it's not at the top. Plus, users are still going to reply to which ever comment is at the top just to get noticed.
It appears that new comments are sorted by newest first just after the upvoted comments.
the-envoy said:
It appears that new comments are sorted by newest first just after the upvoted comments.
That's nice, but will users bother going through all the lower up-voted comments to see the new comments or will they just stop after they get done with the highlighted comments.
Thanks for all of your opinions, everyone. And Artefact, I'm sorry for being such a bitch. I still hate the new system, but I hope you guys are working on it right now and are improving it.
And since I'm new here, let me tell you something everyone:
DON'T FUCK WITH ME! Go fuck with this goddamn attention whore, retarded identity theft, smartass moralfag, iShitHara's faggy bitch, and dumbass poser @lambertobava instead. Got it?!
EDIT: I have another problem that I really have to express with you guys. I'll show it in a few minutes.
Isn't The op one of those with too many spaces in their name that Arte was grumbling about a couple weeks ago?
UncommonOtaku said:
Isn't The op one of those with too many spaces in their name that Arte was grumbling about a couple weeks ago?
His user name is "thereallamberto", I believe the matter was with having spaces in the user name, not the display name.
okie dokie that does compute o_o@
Oh...there's a new comment system...guess I have been away for awhile! Well, until I get up to speed, I reserve my comment on the new comment system :D
There is a new blog now, and after voting on the few comments, I refreshed the page. Pluses and Minuses. Its sorted now.
It seems its working like Arte said he wanted it. I like it!!
UncommonOtaku said:
Oh, nice! Thanks! :)
I'm not sure I really want to know what the issue Lamberto has with the supposed "fake" Lamberto is but it seems to be aggravating him immensely.
The system was in development for some time and I really think the only way to improve it from there was to activate it.
Regarding the issue of placing "popular" comments first, between giving users the ability to sort the comments by their preferred order and giving clear prominence to highly rated comments for the benefit of users who would not otherwise be persuaded to wade through the entire comments page to get to them, I think an acceptable compromise has been reached.
My understanding of general comment reading behaviour is also that most users will never comment and may only read through all the comments once, if that, so it may be the case that by presenting a selection of the best threads first we are improving the content offered to these users a great deal.
I think I addressed the voting issue in the post which introduced that system. I suspect the vicarious aspect of being able to plus or minus a comment you agree or disagree with is inevitably going to be a component of any voting system, including the ones used to form governments, so I don't think anything can be done about that.
If it increases user engagement and improves the quality of comments then it has performed valiantly - I am fairly resigned to the fact that voting is going to be used to cosh dissenting opinions into submission in any such system.
You can still ignore ratings completely in any case - the fact that users become so preoccupied with a single negative vote they receive is actually indicative of the success the system has in promoting "engagement," as from this perspective the worst that could happen is for a user to not care about making or reading a comment, let alone what anyone thought of it.
I can't see the ratings of my comments anymore, is this intended?
Going back to see how my funny comments were rated amused greatly, I wish to have this option back.
Well since 'Certain Mods' like to Sheriff and 'Pick & Choose' what comments to let live on the Forums - I see no reason why there shouldn't be a "Clean Up" of the Main page.
9 out of 10 times IF I comment on the News - I do it anonymously. But the new system is confusing to the point that if you want to see any replies to your comment, Good Luck finding it again...I've had comments that were Anon show up instantly...and others under MY actual ID take hours...which always seemed ODD cause you "Register" so you can share an Opinion without being an ANON...but...who am I to judge the mind of anyone.
I wish it was more Simplified. I wish there was a Sub-forum where we could go back to "Trolling" each other and verbally slitting each others thoats...but......eh.
Ashita, I love your avitar that's bad ass.
On the comments i have yet to successfully use it in any browser
Gantz_Playboy said:
I wish it was more Simplified. I wish there was a Sub-forum where we could go back to "Trolling" each other and verbally slitting each others thoats...but......eh.
Hmm maybe let a certain someone ban us from it too. That would I think make everyone happy.
Gantz_Playboy said:
I wish it was more Simplified. I wish there was a Sub-forum where we could go back to "Trolling" each other and verbally slitting each others thoats...but......eh.
liberals 3d pig disgusting ku_fei
ok go
giascle said:
liberals 3d pig disgusting ku_fei
ok go
It's not the same....
theres a new syste<>?
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