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JAPAN IS ON A TERMINAL DECLINE

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    GTR

    TOKYO (MarketWatch) — Standard & Poor’s on Thursday cut Japan’s long-term sovereign-credit rating, with the news sending the yen sharply lower against its major rivals.

    The rating agency said it downgraded Japanese debt to AA minus from AA, but it also reaffirmed the nation’s short-term ratings at A-1 plus.

    The news sent the U.S. dollar higher against the yen, hitting ¥83.18 after having traded at ¥82.14 shortly before the announcement.

    The euro also spiked higher, climbing to ¥113.41 for a 0.7% gain, according to FactSet Research data. See more on trading in the dollar and other currencies.

    S&P said in a statement that it “expects Japan’s fiscal deficits to remain high in the next few years, which will further reduce the government’s already weak fiscal flexibility.”

    The deficit should fall “only modestly,” to 8% of gross domestic product in the fiscal year beginning April 2013, compared to an estimated 9.1% for the current fiscal year ending March 31, according to S&P.

    Finance Minister Yoshihiko Noda said he wouldn’t comment directly on the downgrade.

    S&P also pointed to Japanese deflation and its aging population as drags on the economy:

    “Falling prices have matched Japan’s growth in aggregate output since 1992, meaning the size of the economy is unchanged in nominal terms. In addition, Japan’s fast-aging population challenges both its fiscal and economic outlooks. The nation’s total social-security-related expenses now make up 31% of the government’s fiscal 2011 budget, and this ratio will rise absent reforms beyond those enacted in 2004.”

    S&P also criticized the current Japanese government, saying the ruling Democratic Party of Japan “lacks a coherent strategy to address these negative aspects of the country’s debt dynamics.”

    Still, it said its outlook on Japan’s long-term rating is stable, reflecting its view that an external balance sheet and “monetary flexibility” are helping offset the nation’s fiscal problems.

    Wiggle room

    Takahira Ogawa, S&P director for sovereign and international public finance rating, in Singapore, told reporters during a telephone conference, the outlook could improve if Tokyo made progress on social security and tax reform.

    “I don’t think our action is self-fulfilling,” Ogawa said, referring to the downgrade.

    He added that was little hope for change in the short term as a political consensus was unlikely to be reached before the next election.

    Still, Ogawa said he was encouraged by Prime Minister Naoto Kan’s recent emphasis on fiscal consolidation, including a proposal to increase the consumption tax, but cautioned markets would likely be looking for progress in the next year to 18 months.

    If the government “keeps producing large-sized deficits and the debt burden is getting bigger, than the domestic financial assets itself might not be able absorb to newly increasing government debt,” Ogawa said.

    Noda, the finance minister, acknowledged that the government must advance its fiscal overhaul project to retain investor confidence in Japanese public debt.

    “It is important to send out messages when necessary that Japan is trying to put itself on the path toward fiscal improvement, we will maintain fiscal discipline by delivering results,” Noda was cited as saying in a report by Dow Jones Newswires.. “It is important to gain the trust of the markets.”

    Noda cited enacting the next fiscal year’s budget plans by the end of March and drafting a long-term tax and social-security overhaul by the end of June.

    Not the first time

    J.P. Morgan strategists said “anyone aware of Japan’s terrible fiscal balance would not be surprised” about the downgrade despite the market reaction, as Japan had been under review by S&P for a downgrade for the past year.

    The analysts noted that S&P and Fitch Ratings both cut Japan to a rating of AA minus back in 2002, though S&P raised it back to AA in 2007.

    At the time of the 2002 downgrades, they said, the dollar initially rose 0.5% against the yen, only to drop about 12% in the three months after the initial S&P rating cut.

    S&P’s Ogawa also cautioned against making direct comparisons between Japan’s fiscal position and that of the U.S., adding that Thursday’s downgrade was the result of cumulative years of fiscal excess.

    Japan has been running significant fiscal deficits for 20 years, and yes, the U.S. has a more or less similar size of [annual] fiscal deficit [as a percentage of GDP], but their starting point is substantially better than Japan. That could make quite a lot of difference,” Ogawa said.

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  2. Having the Japanese Yen lower in value will help their export-based economy.

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    brningpyre said:
    Having the Japanese Yen lower in value will help their export-based economy.

    pfft everyone's trying to go downhill

    also, slight decrease in yen value is just temporary.
    China mainland is on a Yen buying spree and the value be the same way as it was

    and btw Australian dollar is overvalued

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  4. GTR said:

    over here?

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  5. root of the problem: http://www.jpc-net.jp/eng/research/2010_13.html

    you gotta improve productivity if you want to grow. they've been wasting their so called fiscal stimulus, ignoring the law of diminishing returns, and messing with their laws and regs to inhibit competition from doing its job. all the govs fault.

    we'll all be listening to jay chou soon.

    i soo gotta sleep soon.

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  6. So... this might mean less hentai?

    :(

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  7. GTR, you know better than to use all caps when making a thread. Shame on you and your penis.

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  8. Neko_musume said:
    GTR, you know better than to use all caps when making a thread. Shame on you and your penis.

    waitwut? LMAO!

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  9. unsung said:

    waitwut? LMAO!

    Oh, so you touched his penis. I see now.

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  10. Neko_musume said:
    Oh, so you touched his penis. I see now.

    yeah he HNNNNG'd when he was typing the thread title and it got all over the keyboard lol

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  11. unsung said:

    yeah he HNNNNG'd when he was typing the thread title and it got all over the keyboard lol

    *Puts penis on keyboard*

    Eh? Eh?? EHHHH???

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  12. Neko_musume said:
    *Puts penis on keyboard*
    Eh? Eh?? EHHHH???

    oh my neko~

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  13. don't forget to change the batteries in "said penis".
    ^_^

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  14. A low Yen might help Japan out of it's economic slump as it's good for their export driven economy esp if they make a push for more alternative energy to offset their energy import costs.

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  15. Char said:
    A low Yen might help Japan out of it's economic slump as it's good for their export driven economy esp if they make a push for more alternative energy to offset their energy import costs.

    You pulled that out of your ass didn't you? XD

    lmao.

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  16. With a weakening Yen, help rally Japan's economy; buy anime goods. I'm doing my part, are you?

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  17. Sweet deal for me. Have a trip to Japan with friends planned this summer. Better conversion rate = more money for my $

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  18. palmtop-tiger said:
    With a weakening Yen, help rally Japan's economy; buy anime goods. I'm doing my part, are you?

    JDM parts will be more affordable too.

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  19. Oh God, thank God this thread isn't about the birth rates again.

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  20. bitterfish said:
    So... this might mean less hentai?

    :(

    Nope the reverse. Might make all of us dirty foreigners more able to buy more Japanese goods as we are now effectively a little richer than Japanese.

    Canada had this problem a couple of years back when our dollar was accidentally worth more than a US dollar for a time, and suddenly we had trouble selling our more expensive stuff in the States.

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