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   Rick
   

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intertextual
   

   Intertextuality is the shaping of texts' meanings by other texts. It can refer to an author’s borrowing and transformation of a prior text or to a reader’s referencing of one text in reading another.

   Shakespeare has a lot of meaningful connections to earlier stories in his plays. The Tempest rips off the Faust story, but it adds a lot of new things, like for example using a female familiar spirit and no obvious devil.

   Not every rip-off of Faust is as inter-textual as Shakespeare's Tempest but the potential is there.

   And, granted, I want to see them rip off other anime shows, but that's a separate issue from Artefact's recent complaints about high-school tsundere love rip-offs:
   http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2011/01/10/winter-2011-anime-least-original-ever-just-rehashes/
   http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2011/01/14/winter-2011-revisited-now-with-even-less-originality

   Personally, I want to see good rip-offs, even rip-offs that I like better than the original.

   Example: Fairy Tail rips off superhero soap opera plot dynamics with minimalistic art from One Piece. But I like Fairy Tail better than One Piece.

   Posted 5 years ago #
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   brningpyre
   

   I think you've mixed up intertextuality and unoriginality.

   It's okay, you found some cool new word you've never heard, and you wanna make a thread on Sancom. It's okay, we understand.

   Intertextuality would be more like Alan Moore's take on fairy tale princesses, Lost Girls.

   Posted 5 years ago #
3. 

   Neko Musume Classic
   

   brningpyre said:

   Intertextuality would be more like Alan Moore's take on fairy tale princesses, Lost Girls.

   lmao...SOAB! That was a stretch.

   Posted 5 years ago #
4. 

   Rick
   

   brningpyre said:
   I think you've mixed up intertextuality and unoriginality.

   Prove it.

   Posted 5 years ago #
5. 

   brningpyre
   

   yourfriend said:
   Prove it.

   ... Umm...

   You gave examples of unoriginality. Which is a different word than intertextuality.

   Winter anime (almost) all taking place in a school setting with a useless male protagonist and a wacky female protagonist would be an example of the use of cliches, and therefore unoriginality.

   Contrast that with my example, Lost Girls, in which Alan Moore came up with a new (more adult) canon and story for characters from several different fairy tales. This would be the "shaping of texts' meanings by other texts".

   Hell, you need only look no further than the examples on the Wiki page you referenced.

   Posted 5 years ago #
6. 

   Rick
   

   brningpyre said:
   you wanna make a thread on Sancom.

   Yeah, and you want to troll, and you know that personalizing the issue and maximizing the insult factor will do an excellent job of concealing your own ignorance.

   Since neither of us are likely to change our behaviors, and neither of us are likely to be banned, we might as well assume that we'll never change each other's opinions and continue talking past each other.

   As another example,

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_Shelled_Regios

   made reference to time-worn tropes such as the five-man sentai, the pollution-as-monster theme that goes back to kaiju movies, by way of the Valley of the Winds

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nausica%C3%A4_of_the_Valley_of_the_Wind_%28film%29

   Now, Chrome-Shelled Regios did not strike me as a classic, the way Nausicaa did, but I loved the way Regios ripped off tropes.

   Posted 5 years ago #
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   brningpyre
   

   I'm not trolling. I'm making an argument.

   Get over yourself.

   Edit: Your second post is again discussing cliches and archetypes, not intertextuality. Instead of calling me a troll, why don't you read my posts?

   Posted 5 years ago #
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   Rick
   

   brningpyre said:

   ... Umm...

   You gave examples of unoriginality. Which is a different word than intertextuality.

   You need to take a mathematical logic class, a "critical thinking" (i.e. informal logic) class, and then a forensic debate class.

   Posted 5 years ago #
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   Rick
   

   brningpyre said:
   I'm making an argument.

   You wouldn't know an argument if one got tattooed onto your forearm, you piker.

   Posted 5 years ago #
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    Kei-chan
    

    yourfriend said:

    You wouldn't know an argument if one got tattooed onto your forearm, you piker.

    Lol, wow dude, way to take the childish road while trying to be some sort of intellectual. Get over yourself.

    Posted 5 years ago #
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    brningpyre
    

    yourfriend said:
    You wouldn't know an argument if one got tattooed onto your forearm, you piker.

    Let's go through this, slowly, okay?

    Rick: Gives examples of what I argue to be cliches/archetypes.

    Me: You've mixed up the meaning of "intertextuality" with "unoriginality"

    Rick: PROVE IT

    Me: Goes into more detail, explaining how cliches and archetypes are different from intertextuality, giving examples of each. Suggests referring to wiki examples from your own link.

    Rick: Quotes earlier post again, ignores argument and examples, and accuses me of being a troll.

    Me: Identifies self as not being a troll, asks Rick to please read the earlier posts.

    Rick: Ad hominem.

    Rick: Ad hominem, again.

    Now, what have we learned?

    I'm not trolling you. I'm trying to get a point across to you, that you are refusing to acknowledge.

    Posted 5 years ago #

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