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Authoritarianism in Asia

  • Started 5 years ago by Rick, currently has 73 posts - latest post is by King Tiger

  • Poll: Authoritarian living is:
    Not acceptable because I don't get to be the dictator. But if I could be dictator, I would. : (7 votes)
    25 %
    Acceptable because I think I have a chance to be the dictator. : (0 votes)
    Acceptable because I just want to live with fanatics who have no personal opinions. : (0 votes)
    Acceptable because the needs of the collective outweigh the needs of the filthy hippies. : (2 votes)
    7 %
    Acceptable for some other reason : (2 votes)
    7 %
    Not Acceptable for some other reason : (6 votes)
    21 %
    All the poll options suck : (9 votes)
    32 %
    I don't know : (1 votes)
    4 %
    None of the above : (1 votes)
    4 %
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  1. What price prosperity and security? Are they worth living in a place that many contend is a socially engineered, nose-to-the-grindstone, workaholic rat race, where the self-perpetuating ruling party enforces draconian laws (your airport entry card informs you, in red letters, that the penalty for drug trafficking is "DEATH"), squashes press freedom, and offers a debatable level of financial transparency?

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/01/singapore/jacobson-text/2

    To lead a society, the MM says in his precise Victorian English, "one must understand human nature. I have always thought that humanity was animal-like. The Confucian theory was man could be improved, but I'm not sure he can be. He can be trained, he can be disciplined." ...
    Over time, the MM says, Singaporeans have become "less hard-driving and hard-striving." This is why it is a good thing, the MM says, that the nation has welcomed so many Chinese immigrants (25 percent of the population is now foreign-born). He is aware that many Singaporeans are unhappy with the influx of immigrants, especially those educated newcomers prepared to fight for higher paying jobs. But taking a typically Darwinian stance, the MM describes the country's new subjects as "hungry," with parents who "pushed the children very hard." If native Singaporeans are falling behind because "the spurs are not stuck into the hide," that is their problem.

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/01/singapore/jacobson-text/3

    If there is a single word that sums up the Singaporean existential condition, it is kiasu, a term that means "afraid to lose." ...in a kiasu world, winning is never completely sweet, carrying with it the dread of ceasing to win.

    ...Many of the newer public housing apartments come with a bomb shelter, complete with a steel door. After a while, the perceived danger and excessive compliance with rules get internalized; one thing you don't see in Singapore is very many police. "The cop is inside our heads," one resident says.
    Self-censorship is rampant in Singapore, where dealing with the powers that be is "a dance,"... Tan spends a lot of time with the government censors. "You have to use the proper approach," he says. "If they say 'south,' you don't say 'north.' You say 'northeast.' Go from there. It's a negotiation."
    Those who do not learn their steps in the dance soon get the message. Consider the case of Siew Kum Hong, a 35-year-old Singaporean who thought he'd be furthering the cause of openness by serving as an unelected NMP, or nominated member of parliament. With only four opposition MPs elected in the history of the country, the ruling party thought NMPs might provide the appearance of "a more consensual style of government where alternative views are heard and constructive dissent accommodated." This was how Siew Kum Hong told me he viewed his position, but he was passed over for another term.
    "I thought I was doing a good job," a surprised Kum Hong says. What it came down to, he surmises, were "those 'no' votes." When he first voted no, on a resolution he felt discriminated against gays, his colleagues "went absolutely silent. It was the first time since I'd been in parliament that anyone had ever voted no." When he voted no again, this time on a law lowering the number of people who could assemble to protest, the reaction was similarly cool. "So much for alternative views," Kum Hong says.

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/01/singapore/jacobson-text/4

    The Singapore government is not unaware of the pitfalls of its highly controlled society. One concern is the "creativity crisis," the fear that an emphasis on rote learning in Singapore's schools is not conducive to producing game-changing ideas. Yet attempts to encourage originality have been tone-deaf. When Scape, a youth outreach group, opened a "graffiti wall," youngsters were instructed to submit graffiti designs for consideration; those chosen would be painted on a designated wall at an assigned time....
    Perhaps the most troubling problem facing the nation is a result of its overly successful population control program, which ran in the 1970s with the slogan "Two Is Enough." Today Singaporeans are simply not reproducing, so the country must depend on immigrants to keep the population growing. The government offers baby bonuses and long maternity leaves, but nothing will help unless Singaporeans start having more sex. According to a poll by the Durex condom company, Singaporeans have less intercourse than almost any other country on Earth. "We are shrinking in our population," the MM says. "Our fertility rate is 1.29. It is a worrying factor." This could be the fatal error in the Singapore Model: The eventual extinction of Singaporeans.

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/01/singapore/jacobson-text/5

    As one local put it, "Singapore is like a warm bath. You sink in, slit your wrists, your lifeblood floats away, but hey, it's warm." ...
    On my last day, I climbed the hill in the Bukit Timah Nature Reserve, at 537 feet the highest point on the island and the closest thing in Singapore to the jungle it once was. In the unexpected quiet, I returned to what the MM had said about Confucius's belief "that man could be perfected." This was, the MM said with a sigh, "an optimistic way of looking at life." People abuse freedom. That is his beef with America: The rights of individuals to do their own thing allow them to misbehave at the expense of an orderly society. As they say in Singapore: What good are all those rights if you're afraid to go out at night?
    When I got to the top of the hill, I thought I might be rewarded with a view of the entire city-state. But there was no view at all—only a rusting communication tower and a cyclone fence affixed with a sign saying "Protected Place" and showing a stick figure drawing of a soldier aiming a rifle at a man with his hands raised.
    Later I mentioned this to Calvin Fones, the shrink. "See, that shows the progress we've made," he said. "Until a few years ago, we had the same sign, except the guy was lying on the ground, already shot."

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/01/singapore/jacobson-text/7

    This tiny city-state might look healthy at first glance, but understand that it is propped up with the logistic needs of the U.S. Navy. If the U.S. undergoes a military collapse (and stranger things have happened, like the British Empire's military collapse), Singapore will suddenly be a lot less prosperous.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  2. to answer thread/title:
    it's called "the people's republic of China" /thread

    Posted 5 years ago #
  3. unsung said:
    to answer thread/title:
    it's called "the people's republic of China" /thread

    IMHO PRC is not as authoritarian and tightly controlled as Singapore.

    If the mods disagree, feel free to delete this thread.

    Edit: I suppose thread merging is not possible with the current software. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  4. yourfriend said:
    IMHO PRC is not as authoritarian and tightly controlled as Singapore.

    of course not they are both at equal level of human-rights violations or if you want we can take it to "Burma" aka Myanmar or (North)Korea or Cambodia? take yer pick?

    Laos, Vietnam, Sri Lanka, I can keep this list going lol

    Posted 5 years ago #
  5. 1. Unlike North Koreans (and the Myanmar folk?), Singaporeans are free to leave the country or migrate, I believe. It's just a puny city state, after all. And they aren't too poor or too far away from other countries to do so.

    2. Singaporeans do have high living standards compared to their neighbors.

    3. I have nothing to do with Singapore, so I don't care much, but:

    yourfriend said:

    This actually came from James Lee (a Malaysian) and not Lee Kuan Yew (Mummy Master of Singapore). I actually have a few thoughts about the statement although they belong in a new thread. You actually made me google this statement because I partially agree with it :(

    Posted 5 years ago #
  6. the-envoy said:
    1. Unlike North Koreans (and the Myanmar folk?), Singaporeans are free to leave the country or migrate, I believe. It's just a puny city state, after all. And they aren't too poor or too far away from other countries to do so.

    2. Singaporeans do have high living standards compared to their neighbors.

    3. I have nothing to do with Singapore, so I don't care much, but:

    This actually came from James Lee (a Malaysian) and not Lee Kuan Yew (Mummy Master of Singapore). I actually have a few thoughts about the statement although they belong in a new thread. You actually made me google this statement because I partially agree with it :(

    1. The problem isn't that the citizens are being held captive. The problem is that a dysfunctional, authoritarian tin-pot dictator is sucking up to the USA and ... well, I guess that's how most tin-pot dictators get by, from day to day...

    2. So they have shiny computers, with no kids, and they're not even allowed to have porn on their hard drives. No freedom of expression, no drugs ... I wouldn't call that a high standard of living, I would call that slavery with nice clean streets.

    3. Yeah, the lone nut who ran amok was clearly not the dictator of Singapore. The actual dictator of Singapore would have made a demand like, "All slaves with IQs higher than 120 must breed three slave-spawn. Do not damage the slave-spawn! They are the property of the State!"

    Posted 5 years ago #
  7. I found an authoritarian state leader~
    relevance: none whatsoever just wanted some opinions on the matter :p

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  8. unsung said:
    I found an authoritarian state leader~
    relevance: none whatsoever just wanted some opinions on the matter :p

    nah, Father was actually holding his strings!

    Posted 5 years ago #
  9. I often fantasize about being a dictator. But it's all in good fun.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  10. Pacpon said:
    I often fantasize about being a dictator. But it's all in good fun.

    What would the rules be in your world, hmm?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  11. ashita said:

    What would the rules be in your world, hmm?

    I would make all the guys wear nazi attire exempt for the pants would be substituted for frilly panties. The rest would be a girl version of Caligula.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  12. Pacpon said:

    I would make all the guys wear nazi attire exempt for the pants would be substituted for frilly panties. The rest would be a girl version of Caligula.

    sounds...perfectly...awful.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  13. ashita said:

    sounds...perfectly...awful.

    Yesss yessss muehehehehehe

    Posted 5 years ago #
  14. Pacpon said:
    I often fantasize about being a dictator. But it's all in good fun.

    You'd be viewed as a dicktator by the people~

    Posted 5 years ago #
  15. XxXFl0oD3RXxX said:

    You'd be viewed as a dicktator by the people~

    More like a vagtator muahehehehehe or pmstator

    Posted 5 years ago #
  16. Damn hippies

    Posted 5 years ago #
  17. lorderos23 said:
    Damn hippies

    pfft I know get some damn deodorant.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  18. Pacpon said:

    More like a vagtator muahehehehehe or pmstator

    I like this.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  19. the-envoy said:
    1. Unlike North Koreans (and the Myanmar folk?), Singaporeans are free to leave the country or migrate, I believe. It's just a puny city state, after all. And they aren't too poor or too far away from other countries to do so.

    2. Singaporeans do have high living standards compared to their neighbors.

    3. I have nothing to do with Singapore, so I don't care much, but:

    This actually came from James Lee (a Malaysian) and not Lee Kuan Yew (Mummy Master of Singapore). I actually have a few thoughts about the statement although they belong in a new thread. You actually made me google this statement because I partially agree with it :(

    You could not pay me to live in Singapore I'd die from boredom in such a strict and regulated society.
    That or in a shoot out with the prison guards I mean police.

    BTW on James Lee's remark about human farming.
    Want to control population growth the solution is simple.
    Raise the status of females and make contraceptives widely available the rest will automatically fall in place.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  20. Being only guilty of the growing authoritarianism and censorship around the globe, Lee doesn't hold a candle to these guys

    My fav guy:

    Sapamurat:

    Let's not forget the U.S.:

    The only person I can think off the top of my head on the same level of "dictator-ness" as Lee is probably Putin and this guy.

    But yes, I'm against censorship and government control in general

    Char said:
    BTW on James Lee's remark about human farming.
    Want to control population growth the solution is simple.
    Raise the status of females and make contraceptives widely available the rest will automatically fall in place.

    My point was that the agricultural revolution back in the neolithic screwed things up by allowing the human population to grow beyond its natural place in the food chain.

    This population growth led to "civilization" which resulted in development of sophisticated weapons that kill and torture beyond that of a fist or spear (Agent Orange, nukes, AK-47s etc.), class differences which prompted responses in the form of communism/socialism (which led to even more deaths) etc. etc. War is mostly rooted in the lack of resources, caused by an increasingly crowded globe.

    The second revolution that made things even worse was the industrial revolution, which enabled the creation of modern war machines, pollution on a large scale, and "needs" (cars, TVs, computers) which previously never even existed, thus perpetuating its evil cycle.

    The "ideal" (or rather most natural) human society (IMO anyways) would be humans remaining as small hunter-gatherer bands worldwide.

    Then again, that is a bit too late to accomplish in this age, which is the part that I disagreed with Jamie Lee, and the only way would be through a world nuclear holocaust a la Terminator.

    EDIT: And let's not even talk about human civilizations pain wrought on the rest of nature

    Posted 5 years ago #

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