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1. 

   stillcode
   

   I just read on the internet that the US now spends more money on means-tested welfare (excluding SS and medicare) than it does on national defense. This kind of welfare goes to food-stamps and low income housing, for example.
   http://zbigniewmazurak.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/welfare-spending-is-the-largest-item-in-the-federal-budget/

   This kind of spending got me to realize how much of a nanny state the US is becoming. I've already seen the effects of welfare in the UK (more out of wedlock births and welfare moms getting free housing) and I don't want to see that kind of degeneration here in the US. It has been commonly said that "The more you subsidize something, the more you get of it" and that is something that I definitely don't want.

   I'm sure many of you on this board are hard workers and some of you may go on to college and start your own businesses or are already working your butts off. How does it make you feel to have worked so hard your whole life, to have sacrificed the time you could have spent partying on studying, etc... only to have your money taken away from your paycheck to support other adults or the children of other adults who made bad choices in life?

   I say get rid of all welfare. It's ineffective, costly (nearly 1 trillion $/year), unfair, unjust and perpetuates more people to rely on the system like the parasites that they are.

   People need to rely on their family members, churches, non-profit organizations and charities before they coming running for my hard earned cash.

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2. 

   brningpyre
   

   Did GTR make an alt?

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3. 

   Vicious
   

   no stillcode is an old member.

   Welfare is the Cathether of Capitalism
   You know those old, Sick, bankrupt, uneducated that you capitalize from..

   yea......lol

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4. 

   Sorrior
   

   Kepp it. It can do good however it may need more oversight. And also is it REALLY such a bad thing to spend more on somethang than defense the U.S. already spends more than most nations combined on defense.

   Also we wouldn;t have so many people on wellfare if the economy hadn't died on us.

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5. 

   King Tiger
   

   i know that in the U.S. each state has their own welfare policies and funding IIRC and is treated as more of a "state thing" than as a federal thing so it varies from state to state

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6. 

   motaku96
   

   First of all, I rather like the idea of more money going to welfare than to the military. Whether that be for defense or wars.

   Let me get a little personal about my family. My family's on welfare(food stamps). We have 6 people in our family(5 at home, I'm dorming at college). My dad has been running his own business for roughly 30 years. His annual income is less than $20,000. My mom, who's in her 50's, is going back to school, taking internships, and has been trying to get a job at a hospital for a few months now. I go to college, and I work part time on weekdays. I know there are a lot of people that take advantage of welfare, and that really sucks for the rest of us, but there are some of us just trying to make a living.

   So I think welfare serves a purpose. I do, however, think that the way they determine who's eligible for welfare should be changed. We had a hell of a time applying for welfare. It took a long time to get all the forms and everything to be processed due to all the bureaucracy. And here we see these other people raking in the dough, while they just sit around.

   What's really pissing me off right now is financial aid for college. My college is notorious for giving poor financial aid. I'm pulling loans out of my butt for this stupid school. They should really, I don't know, do something about that. Heh, standardized school costs would be nice right about now.

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7. 

   Pacpon
   

   Until Americans can get over their idealistic view of self reliance and independence, welfare will have to pick up the bill.

   See, in other countries, families stay together and take care of each others problems to the best of their abilities. Family honor and what not.

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8. 

   DirtyPair
   

   motaku96 said:
   First of all, I rather like the idea of more money going to welfare than to the military. Whether that be for defense or wars.
   So I think welfare serves a purpose. I do, however, think that the way they determine who's eligible for welfare should be changed.

   I´m too lazy to write something. But that pretty much sums it up.

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9. 

   GTR
   

   it's so easy to game the welfare

   just ask armenians

   http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world/news/9887/

   and fuck those nouveau riche armenians in california who try to dress like the italian mafia, then use food stamps when they pay for groceries and haul them away to their shiny Lexus or Mercedes Benz Brabus edition.

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10. 

    Vicious
    

    GTR said:
    it's so easy to game the welfare

    just ask armenians

    http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world/news/9887/

    thats wasn't welfare. that was medical fraud.
    or at least its the same story, i believe that was the biggest armenian story this year.
    Long time fraud where they would charge the gov;t for surgeries made wih insurance using general doctors names.
    they got caught when one of the names was Foot doctor and the Money claim was for a heart surgery.

    and bam, scam discovered.

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11. 

    GTR
    

    Vicious said:

    thats wasn't welfare. that was medical fraud.

    doesn't change the fact they really know how to game the system without being detected, from food stamps to medical

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12. 

    Vicious
    

    GTR said:

    doesn't change the fact they really know how to game the system without being detected, from food stamps to medical

    1 in 7 americans are on food stamps.
    only a few people abuse it criminally, which is not the majority, or even close.
    thats hundreds of millions of people.

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13. 

    Peter Barton
    

    I think they really need to go back and rework food stamps. So many people buy junk food and such with it. They need to limit what you can buy with it, or make designated "food stamp" products, that way if it isn't a food stamp product you can't buy it with food stamps.

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14. 

    brningpyre
    

    Vicious said:
    That's tens of millions of people.

    310,925,000 / 7 = 44,417,857

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15. 

    Kudi
    

    Welfare here in Britain is a major social problem.

    The system can easily be played by people who just can't be bothered to work. Conversely, it traps young families. Some people who want a job but don't have any experience or qualifications know that they're actually better off claiming welfare for their families than they are trying to get a minimum wage job. By being such a strong safety net is discourages people from ever getting a job that might lead to something better because they don't know how they'd cope during the short time when they're only earning minimum wage and they're worse off than they are with benefits.

    In Britain (I'm not sure what the situation is in the US), there are neighbourhoods in every town with government housing (called council estates) that are almost completely populated by people living on welfare. I'm sure people can imagine what comes from this: crime, substance abuse, an inability to ever move house because they can't sell their current one (not that they'd get any money for it), dangerous streets filled with delinquent, drunken teenagers and crappy schools. Crappy because all the welfare kids live in the same place and go to the same schools. Naturally, these kids (often born because their parents can get more money) never achieve anything (party because of peer pressure to act like idiots) and disrupt classes so that no-one else can learn. It's a horrible situation and, as I said before, it's a trap; it's hard to get out of and generation after generation grow up in third-world conditions without any realistic hope of ever improving their lives. The psychological effects of living this lifestyle and living in these areas is probably the biggest problem of all. These are the people having all the babies in Britain, and it makes me terrified for the country's future.

    tl;dr - Extensive welfare states turn working class people (completely regardless of race) into niggers (I'm using Chris Rock's "Niggas vs Black People" distinction here).

    Observe the creatures made by the welfare state:

    The whole video is enlightening. The Jeremy Kyle Show is the best argument against left-wing politics that has ever been made.

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16. 

    Sorrior
    

    Peter Barton said:
    I think they really need to go back and rework food stamps. So many people buy junk food and such with it. They need to limit what you can buy with it, or make designated "food stamp" products, that way if it isn't a food stamp product you can't buy it with food stamps.

    I would agree except for people like me who cannot drink water. Oh and i DO NOT use food stamps i had em but never used em a single trip would wipe it out.

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17. 

    Peter Barton
    

    Sorrior said:

    I would agree except for people like me who cannot drink water.

    You learn to adapt.

    But seriously, there would be milk and some juices, but sodas would be definitely barred. You don't need soda. You don't need potato chips. You don't need energy drinks and deli cooked food when that isn't even allowed currently. You can only imagine how many arguments I had with customers explaining that no, they can't buy fried chicken with food stamps.

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18. 

    Sorrior
    

    See i get some of the things you mention and juice could make sense but it wasn;t until recently that i could even stomach regular white milk and then to drink it HAS to be whole and generally organic or else it will make me sick. Same for tap water. We're talking about something bordering on full on allergy here. I can even wind up vomiting from tap water and most forms of milk. Same for some juices.

    As for deli foods they SHOULD be covered. You see while they are more expensive they are FAR healthier by and large and thus could prevent alot of unnecessary medical costs. Though i'd say in exchange ban things like fried chicken and oscar meyer. But even then maybe not.

    Fact is that for everything that most people can sonsume that same thing will have someone who CANNOT for whatever reason eat it.

    Oh and i suspect i COULD drink water if i could find a source untainted by humans and what are the odds of that?

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19. 

    Peter Barton
    

    Sorrior said:

    As for deli foods they SHOULD be covered. You see while they are more expensive they are FAR healthier by and large and thus could prevent alot of unnecessary medical costs. Though i'd say in exchange ban things like fried chicken and oscar meyer. But even then maybe not.

    When I said food from the deli I mean prepared food that they have in grocery stores, like fried chicken or burritos and such. Sandwich meat would be alright.

    And for fuck sakes man, go see a doctor about being allergic to tap water.

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20. 

    DirtyPair
    

    My point is that food stamps should only be used for staple food. Everything else is not needed to survive and thus luxury.

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