You just answered why NASA is not interested 2022 launch date really what is with the ESA not being able to get something done with in something resembling a reasonable time frame.
The surest way to kill a project is to have the planning part take too long.
I wish GWB did not cancel JIMO as that's the kind of probe you need for that mission.
they're only going to loiter in the neighborhood, not land or do any physical exploration.
The launch date is probably just a conservative estimate due in part to the ecconomic limitations they may be facing.
JIMO was to map all four moons in detail and beam back data at a higher rate then any mission before.
This was made possible by use of a 104Kw nuclear reactor and use of high ISP ion engines and hall thrusters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter_Icy_Moons_Orbiter
I'll never forgive George Bush or Mike Griffin for cutting it as much of the technology from the mission namely the in space reactor would be applicable to manned exploration of Mars.
Advanced propulsion is far more important for human space flight then an HLV.
Was browsing the pirate bay (high res movie section) and looking up previews on youtube. Saw "Finding life beyond earth", looked it up.. and watched the entire damn thing till the sun came up (outside my own window).
Science why must you fascinate me so!
Would it not be ironic if we landed a probe to dig up one of the icy moons and found a civilization of water breathers?
Those moons have been around as long as the earth has been, the icy outer crust has protected the oceans under them at least for a billion years, if not more.
Plenty of tiem for life to develope & progress - it may even be possible that they may be more advanced than we are, considering that humans have not been around as long as we as a spiecies have been trying to destroy each other over the millenia with wars, racism, & corporate greed.
If they've been quiet they're wise and merely biding their time until we make the first move and discover them.
Its ironic that our world would be the ideal place to take over, since it is a water world.
UncommonOtaku said:
Those moons have been around as long as the earth has been, the icy outer crust has protected the oceans under them at least for a billion years, if not more.
Plenty of tiem for life to develope & progress - it may even be possible that they may be more advanced than we are, considering that humans have not been around as long as we as a spiecies have been trying to destroy each other over the millenia with wars, racism, & corporate greed.
Who's to say that the alien sea-folk aren't as screwed up as we are? Aliens must come in all kinds of forms and civilization levels.
SpaceX shows off the Dragon Capsule at the first annual Spacecraft Technology Expo.
http://www.space.com/15615-spacex-dragon-capsule-crew-mockup.html
ATK is building both a rocket and a capsule with Astrium.
http://www.space.com/15625-liberty-rocket-private-space-taxi-atk.html
Interesting it shows actual hardware being built.
By the sound of it I wonder if the ESA is involved and could it be the successor to the ATV.
Leave space exploration in the hands of the private sector, I say. Responsible governments have too many problems they should be dealing with on this planet.
R.I.P. Envisat.
Nevar forget.
Seems to be down due to too much interest but some engineer whipped up some plans for a non-fictional Starship Enterprise :)
http://www.buildtheenterprise.org
Isn't this just the coolest thing ever? :D
I'd rather see an Archangel-class try to be developed. Entirely non-nuclear. Now that'll be a challenge.
Several reasons why that won't work
1) No round part to create gravity
2) It's from a series that uses human shaped things for combat which doens't make sense so everything else is better left ignored as well ;)
3) In space afaik it's nuclear power or solar cells, the enterprise duplicate would be used for Mars missions which would be impossible with solar panels (the Sun is too weak that far out).
What makes this idea awesome is that could it be done in theory. Now where are we going to find the bored billionaire Startrek fans, if enough of them get together and sponsor NASA on condition that they use this design.. best money ever spend! Cost estimate is a mere trillion USD so basically if the USA puts all military crap on hold for ~2 years they're there.
CC said:
Now where are we going to find the bored billionaire Startrek fans, if enough of them get together and sponsor NASA on condition that they use this design.. best money ever spend!
Dis guy's got some good ideas.
A real life deep space vehicle design that looks a a ship from Gundam.
The larger version is capable of traveling to Mars and in theory maybe even as far as the Asteroid belts.
With a high power fission reactor of 20MW it probably could explore the Jovian system.
The biggest problem with manned ships is that you need a lot of stuff to support our puny carbon and water based bodies.
Also, one of the biggest problems in with low gravity environments is that the body starts to secrete the calcium from the bones, so kidney stones and weakening bones are a huge problem.
pilu said:
The biggest problem with manned ships is that you need a lot of stuff to support our puny carbon and water based bodies.
Also, one of the biggest problems in with low gravity environments is that the body starts to secrete the calcium from the bones, so kidney stones and weakening bones are a huge problem.
Drugs and exercise alone seems to limit to you to around 400 days otherwise you risk becoming the first permanent resident of space.
They actually considered sending Valeriy Polyakov back up if he did not readapt to 1g.
Could be as long as 500 to 600 as pharmaceuticals have gotten better since Valeriy Polyakov's record flight.
It may be possible to fly in space indefinitely if you had a Lunar to Mars gravity level centrifuge and took bisphosphonate.
My favorite drug in the bone-strengthening category is strontium. I just love how the receptors can't differentiate between two molecules if they're kinda similar.
Another example is DMAA, it's an open-chain alkylamine, but because it has an amphetamine "backbone" in it, it still has stimulant properties.
UncommonOtaku said:
Would it not be ironic if we landed a probe to dig up one of the icy moons and found a civilization of water breathers?Those moons have been around as long as the earth has been, the icy outer crust has protected the oceans under them at least for a billion years, if not more.
Plenty of tiem for life to develope & progress - it may even be possible that they may be more advanced than we are, considering that humans have not been around as long as we as a spiecies have been trying to destroy each other over the millenia with wars, racism, & corporate greed.If they've been quiet they're wise and merely biding their time until we make the first move and discover them.
Its ironic that our world would be the ideal place to take over, since it is a water world.
QUICKLY EVERYONE! POLLUTE OUR OCEANS!
Naw, actually this sounds pretty awesome. I don't want to be "invaded" per se, but I'd love for our planet to become a tourist spot for posh europans looking to enjoy their golden years.
We could build little swimming pools and charge the aliens exorbitant fees to sit in them, then we could bring our kids in to watch them and charge them even more money. Monopoly ho~!
(We'll figure out the whole disease thing later; for now money.)
pilu said:
My favorite drug in the bone-strengthening category is strontium.
I love how terrible a name that is in Dutch.. stront = shit literally translated.
A bit long video on the latest contender for commercial crew.
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