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Sankaku Complex Forums Topic: Pronunciation of stuff http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ Sankaku Complex Forums en Thu, 23 May 2013 19:03:12 +0000 Envoy Loves You on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=7#post-815248 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:28:26 +0000 Envoy Loves You 815248@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDMlk3kSYg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDMlk3kSYg</a> Yall be webees. Yoo get? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wNSHPQj0W8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wNSHPQj0W8</a> Nin on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-815199 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 17:46:22 +0000 Nin 815199@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ They say either that, or they say "Rashamballa ballah shum robhskollah shoarma" and call their friends and beat you up straight away. Dirty Pair on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-815146 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:24:59 +0000 Dirty Pair 815146@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>donyea said:</cite> This is not all black people. But only ones that live in black with shitty schools and then still there are exceptions. I was lucky to leave my old neighborhood and actually go to decent schools. Finally they are retarded. I speak either way but its to much work shortening words etc all the time. </blockquote> Don't worry, we have the same problem with the Turks. Here is an example. Instead of saying: ´I know where you live.´ They say: ´I know where your house lives.` Saber on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814993 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 04:43:46 +0000 Saber 814993@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>H-Ero said:</cite> Black people just don't bother paying attention in English class and end up speaking their own idiotic language of slang and mispronounced words (which white people call Ebonics, because calling it retarded would be politically incorrect). Na mean? </blockquote> This is not all black people. But only ones that live in black with shitty schools and then still there are exceptions. I was lucky to leave my old neighborhood and actually go to decent schools. Finally they are retarded. I speak either way but its to much work shortening words etc all the time. H-Ero on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814934 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 23:19:16 +0000 H-Ero 814934@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>donyea said:</cite> Black people like to keep things short word wise. </blockquote> Black people just don't bother paying attention in English class and end up speaking their own idiotic language of slang and mispronounced words (which white people call Ebonics, because calling it retarded would be politically incorrect). Na mean? Kan Ika on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814662 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 12:48:54 +0000 Kan Ika 814662@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>donyea said:</cite> i don't have this problem its more of a white person thing. Black people like to keep things short word wise. </blockquote> Yeah you do, and don't deny it. Zplus on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814655 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 12:21:05 +0000 Zplus 814655@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>kanika said:</cite> That's what I dislike about other languages... I should be able to figure out a word's pronunciation based on the combination of vowels and consonants surrounding it. It tells me its root and meaning within the context of both the word and the sentence. </blockquote> I digress, English itself was, as explained by Shoganai, a language in which its own structure would infer the pronunciation of each and every word. In every language it's bound to eventually have ambiguous context, which means there are far too many instances in English where pronunciation doesn't make any sense, besides you claim that you can always infer pronunciation based on this, but it doesn't happen due to the enormous usage of foreign words, a year ago I didn't know how to pronounce façade and I learnt how to thanks to the Internet, I still get people who pronounce it incorrectly and there isn't a logical explanation on how to pronounce it without requiring teaching English and French history. giascle on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814496 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 08:33:39 +0000 giascle 814496@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>Ninsheart said:</cite> What are you saying </blockquote> Actually he isn't. They say he is in Mario vs. Donkey Kong, though. Lilith on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814485 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 08:26:58 +0000 Lilith 814485@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>giascle said:</cite> USA USA </blockquote> My dad still has to stay 100 yards away from my mother if they are in California, rofl. Kudeh on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814479 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 08:23:30 +0000 Kudeh 814479@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>donyea said:</cite> i don't have this problem its more of a white person thing. Black people like to keep things short word wise. </blockquote> By getting rid of half the letters? Saber on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814470 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 08:13:01 +0000 Saber 814470@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>kanika said:</cite> Because English speakers (for some reason) want to lengthen every vowel they see that can possibly be lengthened. I didn't have this problem when first learning Japanese (I was exposed to Asian languages when I was young), but most of my non East Asian classmates sure did... </blockquote> i don't have this problem its more of a white person thing. Black people like to keep things short word wise. Nin on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814441 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 07:16:13 +0000 Nin 814441@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>giascle said:</cite> It's funny because Mario's voice actor actually is Italian. </blockquote> What are you saying giascle on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814413 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 06:07:20 +0000 giascle 814413@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>Vegio said:</cite> trolololo Nin gave me a link of a Mario game 'cause he's supposed to talk in italian. All he says is gibberish, but it's awesome! </blockquote> It's funny because Mario's voice actor actually is Italian. <blockquote><cite>Lilith said:</cite> My mother got yelled at for moving her hands too much and was approached as a repressed and hurt woman intimidated by her husband (which got my father in jail). </blockquote> USA USA <blockquote><cite>kanika said:</cite> That's what I dislike about other languages... I should be able to figure out a word's pronunciation based on the combination of vowels and consonants surrounding it. It tells me its root and meaning within the context of both the word and the sentence. </blockquote> You would love Hebrew. Kan Ika on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814370 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 04:44:34 +0000 Kan Ika 814370@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>zetaplus said:</cite> I am NOT whining about accents, after all I speak Cantonese. Although it's quite too late to make changes, I wish there were something such as à, á, ã or some sort of symbols in English to characterise accents, it uses only ā and ä, because in many Latin based languages a literate can take any extremely difficult book and speak most words without issues, whilst it's impossible to do the same in English. I believe if done so, it would ease the lives of many, at least no future high school English teacher would need to correct a student every two sentences when they're reading out loud Shakespeare. </blockquote> That's what I dislike about other languages... I should be able to figure out a word's pronunciation based on the combination of vowels and consonants surrounding it. It tells me its root and meaning within the context of both the word and the sentence. Lilith on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814343 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 02:58:09 +0000 Lilith 814343@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ Dude, my family is Italian and we're all cursed with the hand moving thing. When my dad got arrested for yelling at my mother in California (yep, people thought they were Mexicans and stuff) she defended him in court when he pledged not guilty of domestic violence (female lawyer, judge and prosecutor). My mother got yelled at for moving her hands too much and was approached as a repressed and hurt woman intimidated by her husband (which got my father in jail). Meh, he said prison was not too bad when you have a doctor's degree, you have a huge individual cell, a library, a gym... Took the Brazilian Embassy 4 days to get him out of there :( Mæriden on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814334 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 02:29:23 +0000 Mæriden 814334@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>kudichan said:</cite> A travel guide in one of my university's student newspapers once said that Italian was "a picturesque dialect of gesture, halfway between naval semaphore and the Queensberry Rules" </blockquote> Don't know about queensberry rules but I can think of a lot of situations where the gestures look like naval semaphore, e.g. telling someone to screw off, saying "I don't know", explaining something. The gesture she does at 1:53, but done with only one hand, is usually made when saying "what the hell hare you saying?" Vegio on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814319 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 01:41:50 +0000 Vegio 814319@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ crap! there was this video with two english people travelling to italy by plane, and one was reading a guide to gestures... but I can't find it anymore! Kudeh on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814318 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 01:35:19 +0000 Kudeh 814318@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ A travel guide in one of my university's student newspapers once said that Italian was "a picturesque dialect of gesture, halfway between naval semaphore and the Queensberry Rules" Vegio on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814316 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 01:32:02 +0000 Vegio 814316@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ oh, but her gestures are fine. At the beginning at least - then the camera switch on the italian guy, back on her... and then she goes off with her hands. Kudeh on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814315 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 01:31:46 +0000 Kudeh 814315@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>Ninsheart said:</cite> The Italian starts at 2:24. </blockquote> That's a southern Italian dialect. Nin on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=6#post-814312 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 01:27:46 +0000 Nin 814312@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ The Italian starts at 2:24. Vegio on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=5#post-814310 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 01:27:39 +0000 Vegio 814310@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ she speaks gibberish... oh no, she also said "ma cosa ta dici"... that was pretty inaccurate, huh. it's understandeable, still off. Kudeh on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=5#post-814308 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 01:24:55 +0000 Kudeh 814308@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>Vegio said:</cite> trolololo Nin gave me a link of a Mario game 'cause he's supposed to talk in italian. All he says is gibberish, but it's awesome! <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1q-JjZTxVRI#t=279s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1q-JjZTxVRI#t=279s</a> </blockquote> The woman in this video speaks Italian at 1:47. How accurate is her pronunciation? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY66ZJ0TFUI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY66ZJ0TFUI</a> Vegio on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=5#post-814306 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 01:17:09 +0000 Vegio 814306@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ trolololo Nin gave me a link of a Mario game 'cause he's supposed to talk in italian. All he says is gibberish, but it's awesome! <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1q-JjZTxVRI#t=279s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1q-JjZTxVRI#t=279s</a> Kudeh on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=5#post-814304 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 01:14:19 +0000 Kudeh 814304@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>zetaplus said:</cite> And the funny thing is that the French language refuses to accept words from other languages but many languages end up with useless French words. </blockquote> The French are ultra-xenophobic. They hate any foreign influence on their glorious French culture. Have fun pointing out to them that their pure French language is of Italian origin and is filled with German words. Even their country's name comes from a bunch of German invaders. France's entire history seems to be one long series of German invasions with century of English invasions and occupations in the middle ages. All preceded by an Italian invasion and centuries long occupation. Lilith on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=5#post-814281 Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:59:23 +0000 Lilith 814281@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ French words are everywhere, it was the language spoken throughout most royal dynasties during the middle ages (even in non-French speaking "countries"). They are not too bad, they just make it harder to read English since the way most French words absorbed by English are pronounced different. French is still, to this day, the language of diplomacy, it's silly to just rage about them. Also, most teachers suck, not just English teachers, get used to life. Zplus on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=5#post-814261 Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:45:49 +0000 Zplus 814261@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ Many here are willing to learn in the future/learning Japanese, myself included, so learning a few new alphabets isn't too bad. Sankakuans, teaching more about English language history than those bloody incompetent bastards I often get to "teach" me. And the funny thing is that the French language refuses to accept words from other languages but many languages end up with useless French words. Kudeh on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=5#post-814254 Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:10:43 +0000 Kudeh 814254@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>zetaplus said:</cite> Although it's quite too late to make changes, I wish there were something such as à, á, ã or some sort of symbols in English to characterise accents, it uses only ā and ä, because in many Latin based languages a literate can take any extremely difficult book and speak most words without issues, whilst it's impossible to do the same in English. I believe if done so, it would ease the lives of many, at least no future high school English teacher would need to correct a student every two sentences when they're reading out loud Shakespeare. </blockquote> You can blame the Normans for the fucked up English spelling system. Before 1066, our alphabet included a few extra letters that were essential for our language (Latin has fewer sounds than English, so using the Latin alphabet is stupid, when you think about it). If you learnt the English alphabet 1000 years ago, you could pick up any book and know exactly how each word was pronounced. The Runic alphabet that we used before Christianity was even better, although learning meant learning a completely new alphabet, rather than a few extra symbols. And the Normans introduced all those unnecessary French words. The English language was doing perfectly well without them. Zplus on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=5#post-814249 Sat, 03 Dec 2011 20:33:59 +0000 Zplus 814249@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>kudichan said:</cite> Well done on finding the one example of the English making the biggest mess of a name. Now have a look at what the French do to classical names. Look at how they pronounce "Achilles". All we do is fuck up the last vowel; they pronounce it "asheel", like a bunch of faggots. </blockquote> LOL, this just made my (language) day. I could never could get the hang of French, it sounds too gay to me. <blockquote><cite>kudichan said:</cite> Because Greek and Latin words have been used in our language for a long time, and they have gone through our sound changes. Germans didn't discover them until last week, so the classical words and names that they use haven't gone through any sound changes. </blockquote> That's what I was looking for, thanks! It makes a tiny bit more sense, now. <blockquote><cite>kudichan said:</cite> Are you complaining because English has different accents? If so, then please go and die. </blockquote> Part of it was me complaining that I get "corrected" by people who think with absolute certainty that what I said is wrong, with daily usage words it's fine, but when people get the Mai-coal-anje-lô out I feel like when people claim man never set foot on the moon. I am NOT whining about accents, after all I speak Cantonese. Although it's quite too late to make changes, I wish there were something such as à, á, ã or some sort of symbols in English to characterise accents, it uses only ā and ä, because in many Latin based languages a literate can take any extremely difficult book and speak most words without issues, whilst it's impossible to do the same in English. I believe if done so, it would ease the lives of many, at least no future high school English teacher would need to correct a student every two sentences when they're reading out loud Shakespeare. Kudeh on "Pronunciation of stuff" http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=12004&page=5#post-814244 Sat, 03 Dec 2011 19:49:09 +0000 Kudeh 814244@http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>giascle said:</cite> Because the English (and Americans) couldn't care less how a name is pronounced in its original language; they tell YOU how it's pronounced. </blockquote> This is the most important thing that can be said on the topic, but nevertheless, allow me to explain some shit and educate you. <blockquote><cite>zetaplus said:</cite> English speakers write Caeser and have the worst pronunciation of this name amongst all Latin influenced/based languages? </blockquote> Well done on finding the one example of the English making the biggest mess of a name. Now have a look at what the French do to classical names. Look at how they pronounce "Achilles". All we do is fuck up the last vowel; they pronounce it "asheel", like a bunch of faggots. <blockquote><cite>zetaplus said:</cite> I just wanted to know if there was a reasonable explanation for the English side of the story. I am always baffled at the way they speak Michelangelo and encyclopaedia when I don't listen to native English speaker saying it for a while. </blockquote> Because Greek and Latin words have been used in our language for a long time, and they have gone through our sound changes. Germans didn't discover them until last week, so the classical words and names that they use haven't gone through any sound changes. <blockquote><cite>zetaplus said:</cite> I get mainly random Americans correcting my pronunciation every time I speak, nice language standards you got there. Has anybody tried to standardise the English pronunciation? </blockquote> Are you complaining because English has different accents? If so, then please go and die.