US Bombers Challenge “Chinese” Senkaku Airspace

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The US has told China what it thinks of its new air defence zone extending over parts of Okinawa by flying B-52 bombers through it, with the jets brazenly ignoring their duty to file flight plans with the Chinese military.

After China set up the new air defence zone, extending over the Senkaku islands and much of what was formerly undisputed Japanese and Taiwanese airspace, it demanded any aircraft passing through file flight plans with China or face “emergency defensive measures.”

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Civilian airlines meekly decided to file the flight plans rather than risk being shot down (although at least two have since stopped after Japan complained).

The US response however was to fly a pair of B-52 bombers through the zone without bothering to tell the Chinese anything.

The unarmed planes flew from Guam in what was described as a “training mission,” and their flight path apparently took them directly over the Senkaku isles.

Japan for its part has called the zone “invalid” and an “escalation,” but has stopped short of challenging it directly – although its threat to shoot down any Chinese drones over the islands still stands.

China has said Japan’s complaints about the zone are “completely unreasonable,” but strangely the US military reports they offered no response to their bomber overflight.


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    Comment by KingFisher
    14:00 27/11/2013 # ! Quality (+0.9)

    The Chinese need a little lesson in humility.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:28 27/11/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    They do need some humility and if they continue this then they will get a lesson... but I don't think they're quite that stupid though.

    The US has officially declared support for Japan even if it came to war. Congress even took a break from doing nothing and made special note that the "Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan" applied to the Senkaku Islands.

    Add on to that that Japan is China's largest foreign investor and the US is right behind. Everyone talks about the US debt China owns but China's economy depends on the two countries it's pissing off right now as well. They do anything drastic and their country hits rock bottom.

    This is most likely a power play in Chinese internal politics to prove nationalism since they did change leaders fairly recently. The fact China has done nothing about both military and civilian aircraft going through the space makes it seem they aren't stupid enough to cause any real problem.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:34 29/11/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    The thing is that they are testing waters that they don't have the balls to swim in.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:22 29/11/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    LOL so true.

    Comment by Anonymous

    The US has officially declared the occupation of Japan. And of course you'd be pissed off if someone pokes your dog's doghouse.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:57 27/11/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    This isn't a lesson in humility. Uncle Sam is just calling China's bluff.

    It's not as if the Chinese thought their claims are legitimate. They are testing the waters, and the US are making their position clear.

    *grabs popcorn*

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:00 28/11/2013 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    Uncle Sam is acting like a retarded kid. Like always.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:02 28/11/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Actually, it's a smart and calculated move, made to only look like sabre-rattling.

    Several unusual characteristics of this flyover:

    -Flight plans publicized via official channels to everyone ahead of time, but not via radio to Chinese ground control during flyover.
    It's directed at China without really being responsive to China, complying with Chinese without actually complying with the new zoning. Drones were already deployed in the entrance area and followed the entire way through.

    -Flight speed is unusually low, even for B52. Coincidentally just slow enough for drones to keep up. China can send unarmed surveillance drones to monitor it, which they did, and claim to have kept the situation under control to save face, which they have.

    -Flying without escorts. B52s often fly unarmed, but rarely without escorts outside of US or allied territory, especially given the flight path this time. Fighter escorts would have triggered China to scramble fighters instead of drones. Fighter pilots eyeballing each other = unplanned action.

    US did it in order to keep Japan from doing something similar in an incompetent manner that end in clashes. Japanese officials are either impotent or incompetent - the later is worse. Also, American public has no strong opinion in this, which means the brass can act with a semblance of intelligence instead of like idiots for domestic popularity.

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    Comment by Epsilon
    05:39 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Not as retarded compared to you.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:09 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I hope the Americans aren't there to help you, next time whatever shithole you live in gets nailed by a quake, tsunami, volcano, etc. Little bitches like you love to run your mouth, but are quick to suck from America's tits the second something goes wrong.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:52 30/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    America's helping someone, riiight.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:55 29/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well according to the reports the bombers flew for about an hour in a north-south course some 200km north east of the Diaoyu.

    Far closer to the American base than Chinese base and it would be very stupid to try and intercept them because the US can scramble fighters there faster.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:01 29/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hurricane Katrina lololololol

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:10 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Humanity needs alittle lesson in humility.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:29 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    If the US and China go to war, there will be no real winner, but there will be alot of losers from the collateral damage.

    In short, it would be wise if all parties involved resolve these issues diplomatically rather than with force. Even if they have to put up with some political back and force nonsense, it's better than going to actual war (example with Iran).

    And for all the arm chair soldiers yelling "(insert country name) will destroy (insert country name)" You should head to your local military recruiting station and sign up and see if you still like war mongering after you've enlisted.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:27 22/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    This 100%

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:05 29/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    You mad? If anyone needs a lesson in humility, its freaking America

    Comment by Anonymous

    Right now, china believes that Obama will cave under the pressure of domestic policy failures and is counting on apparent dissatisfaction of US public against war. They think they can 'read' American public mood to try and manipulate our will into trampling on the japanese.

    Huge LOL @ chinese 'tactics'.

    DO NOT BE FOOLED, SYRIA AND CHINA ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.

    China once again overplayed its hand by getting too cheeky for their own good.

    I am against Obama in every way imaginable. But I guarentee that I am behind him 100% if he decides to go all the way with the chinese and teach them a lesson about disrespecting their neighbors and our allies.

    Obama, this is your chance. Redeem your standing and take the fight to the enemy. Show them that they have gravely miscalculated the implications of syria fiasco and iran appeasement deal.

    If they want to fight, we will give them a fight.

    Also: Nice bitch move taking an American veteran hostage as a bargaining chip. I am sure china's bitch NK coordinated with their overlords to gain what they think is an upperhand in this bullshit they are trying to pull against the world.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:04 27/11/2013 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Is there some shitty rock in some shitty swamp from under which you warmongers keep spawning from? I'm 100% sure that you're not even in the military. So chill, Mr.Internet Tough Guy.

    "Oh, some country declared something that I don't like! AMERICA SHOULD GO TO WAR AND TEACH THEM A LESSON!!!"

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:29 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    The, "sure that you're not even in the military", comment is a response to the comment he's responding to's assertion that the United States should take military action against China, putting the lives of men and women in active service at risk. 18:04 suggests that a person actually in military service would not be so keen to put their own life and those of their fellow combatants at risk just to, "teach [China] a lesson". Since China did not respond with force against the US bombers flying over their newly claimed airspace, the issue still has potential to be resolved diplomatically, without putting lives at risk.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:07 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol, he is 100% sure of someone is or is not something. If this is true, I wish he/ she knows magic...wait better be a she and better be young. You know I have fetish for magical girls.(jk, Shhhh NSA is watching)

    Comment by Anonymous

    ...you...are...the ...dumbest person that has ever written something in history. Every country has warmongering idiots so dont single out one or two people from one country. Also whats with the ' I'm 100% sure that you're not even in the military"? comment. What the hell does that have ti do with anything

    If you didnt serve in the military you can not comment on war?? Thats like saying if youre not from a country then you shouldnt speak about it. If you have never been in a political office then you should not vote. Dumbass logic like youre set humanity back centuries

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:06 27/11/2013 # ! Good (+0.7)

    Unfortunately flaws exist in many arguments. The truth is that America doesn't want to directly harm China, and neither does China want to. It all stems from the wealth where China holds a vast sum of American debt. Because of this, China holds a grip over the American economy. China however would not want to upset the balance, as it could ultimately cause their asset of American debt to lose value due to the destabilization of the American dollar. American politicians should realize this symbiotic relationship caused by the sharing of debt and assets between the two nations; where upsetting either balance can cause both sides to lose greatly. That and both countries now hold substantially powerful weapons despite what we Americans may think and believe based on our standing in the world as the sole superpower without a challenger to approach the podium under the light publicly. A conflict between the Chinese who above many beliefs, value their "face" extraordinarily, and Americans who are both arrogant and steadfast in their decisions would be devastating to the world.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:40 27/11/2013 # ! Good (+0.8)

    We should declare war with everybody, bomb the shit of everyone who looks at us funny (pretty much the entire world) because USA FUCK YEAEH FUCK YEAH NUMBA ONE NUMBA ONE GO BRONCOS

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:19 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    China is the little fat kid talking to much shit on the playground. Sooner then later someones going to knock some Chinese fat kid teeth all over the ground. China thinks it has good tech and can win, because its been steeling garbage from 1990's for so long but fact of the matter is, you can't steal innovation. China is a ant hill but the rest of the world has been stocking up on Raid.
    They think they can win because of propaganda brain washing and don't know just how fucked they'd be if war broke out.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:03 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Getting air superiority is the easy part. Sure you can do a lot of bombing from the air, but US won't be winning the war completely until they get boots on the ground.

    That part was tough even for the middle east nations that were bomb back in the stone ages. Against a nation that will fight guerrilla warfare that have more people than the whole US is tough.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:58 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    It might not be a majority of the debt, but it is enough to upset and change the interest rate for future debts if China should pull out of buying any more US bonds.

    FYI: China is 12 hours difference from EST, so that's 1/2 way around the Earth.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:22 29/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    The irony there is, if you look at Japan's foreign investment portfolio, they will be the biggest loser if US fights China, from both sides, more than either US or China themselves.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:24 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    "It all stems from the wealth where China holds a vast sum of American debt"

    where are you getting these facts? China does not hold a vast sum of American debt.

    "Consider this, the U.S. has around $16 trillion in outstanding debt and most of it is held by us, and the bulge bracket banks here at home: Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Citibank, Bank of America. Around 7.5 percent is held by China, the biggest foreign holder of U.S. debt." (http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2013/01/23/is-chinas-ownership-of-u-s-debt-a-national-security-threat/)

    7.5%... that does not sound like a "vast sum" to me so once again where did you get your facts?

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:34 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    'I for one consider 1.2 trillion a vast sum'

    Obviously do not know world finances. USA GDP is over 15 trillion (that with a T) more than double #2. (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD)

    In layman's terms compared to us thats like 7.8% of your paycheck getting taken out every time (most taxes take out up to 20% in a persons check.)Trillions might be a vast sum to you but thats the same as a 10 year old saying that $30 is a vast sum to have.

    "I think the bigger problem here is that if we actually went to war with them, won, liberated their government, and claimed it for democracy we would end up bankrupting ourselves trying to do so"

    Smartest comment I have heard so far. I agree with the logic.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:01 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Be realistic. Even both sides are crazy enough to go into war with each other. The Americans have to travel half the world to fight the Chinese. Look at how many resources and soldiers we have lost just to go againist little group of terrorist and the damage of this war is not yet healed. Anyone who isn't retarded knows it will not benefit the US to launch a full scale attack on one of the world's largest country. Even if the 911 didn't happen and we have saved up all the resources for the China war, I do not think we will either win or lose but simply wasting bunch of resource and lives and the results equals i no different than losing. As for China, they do not want to lose the biggest customer and even the communist are evil, they are not stupid enough to simply wasting their own men and resource that benefit nobody. All you people just know deep inside this war won't happen and the lust of watching people getting kill, home burnt down and shit just wish it happen on someone's family but not yours.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:39 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    It sure isn't a small sum.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:40 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think the bigger problem here is that if we actually went to war with them, won, liberated their government, and claimed it for democracy we would end up bankrupting ourselves trying to do so. I don't care about the debt, it's the 20 year long process of fixing their government, claiming freedom for their people, raising minimum wage and improving work environments, etc. If we claimed democracy in China and left, they would crumble to the ground and blame America for it, probably causing more in-fighting and terrorism in the US. A lot of our factories and businesses would be forced to move and put a strain on our personal economy. Not to mention the military expenses to actually fight with China, and moving our own military bases in when it's over. None of this would be a problem if our economy was in good shape, but it's not. Thinking just of the debt percentages is short sighted indeed. A war is the last thing we need right now, and if China or North Korea decided they didn't like their countries anymore and attacked, we could wipe them away, but we would most likely kill ourselves in the end.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:54 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I for one consider 1.2 trillion a vast sum. Sure, the percentage may not be that much, but it's more than enough to cause trouble.

    http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/moneymatters/ss/How-Much-US-Debt-Does-China-Own.htm

    http://www.pagetutor.com/trillion/index.html

    Comment by Anonymous

    Half of the world? Dude you need and atlas.

    Comment by Anonymous

    USA, the country with so much fatass should shut up because china will destroy them

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    Comment by Ciscotaku
    16:47 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    he defied Pakistans sovereignty to go after Osama, what makes China think Obama wont go after them? you know if US goes to war with China and the US wins, what do you think will happen to the debt US owes to China? all im saying is China should be be careful dealing with the US because the US has a lot more to gain from a war than china does.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:55 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.3)

    Sigh...once again do your homework. China only owns LESS THAN 8% of total U.S. debt. 80% is owned BY AMERICAN COMPANIES

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:07 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    The power of google

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:12 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    From http://www.factcheck.org (data up to Nov 2013)

    Q: Who are the holders of U.S. debt?

    A: The biggest are the Social Security trust funds (16 percent), the Federal Reserve banks (12 percent), China (8 percent), Japan (7 percent) and mutual funds including money-market funds (6 percent).

    Well, consider a full scale war that probably requires a lot of resources and almost every capable man from the work force to join the army, I don't think we need to do the number that probably will not cover that 8% and even create 100 times or so more debt later.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:00 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    THE EVIL THAT IS GOOGLE....

    FIXED

    Comment by Anonymous

    google a shit

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:12 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    If america goes to war it wouldn't be long b4 others join after all how many countries show hate against china but no opportunity to strike them? Certainly china has allies but we have more and more powerful.

    Comment by Anonymous

    fuck you so very much shitty usa people, you are scum for the world

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:36 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, we were terrible for liberating China from the Japanese back in the 1940s.

    Oh, and YOUR FUCKING WELCOME

    Comment by Anonymous

    if you believe the US would willingly engage in a fight with China over one of our allies and anything short of an all out attack, you are the dumbest motherfucker alive.

    The US and China have a symbiotic economic relationship, if one breaks ties both suffer.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:11 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    There always Mexico.

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    Comment by Ciscotaku
    17:00 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    you are the dumbest motherfucker alive if you think the US wont go to war lol, they've gone to war for far worst stupid reasons than that. You think US cant start another economic relationship with a different country? China has way more to lose here than US does, specially economic wise. Not to mention also that if shit happens EU would follow US and leave China behind as well

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:00 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Though it may all depend on what natural resources the U.S. would stand to gain. Like oil fields, silicon, rare minerals used for techno-bobbles/computers, etc.

    If anything, it'd be a hilarious way to say "안녕! (anyoung!)" to the little fatty/Kim Jong-un.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:01 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    The U.S would suffer in the short term. It would gain in the long term. The U.S with the backing and assistance of the IMF, et al, will just go in and do some 'country building'.

    Comment by Dark Mage
    17:04 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    China needs the US more then the US needs China.

    If the US cuts ties with China the negative effects for the US would mostly be a short term supply issues for some stuff as production is moved to new locations and shit at Walmart ends up costing a little more.
    But in the long therm it might create more US jobs so in the end it would be beneficial.

    The negative effects for China they loose the number 1 importer of the goods.
    There would be massive layoffs in Chinese factories.
    Two major microchip suppliers the US and Japan would no longer be exporting to China.
    This would set back their electronics five maybe ten years.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:55 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    @17:04: their #1 importer is actually europe not USA. and you all seem to forget one little detail, compared to ALL the other wars so far since WW2, china has the nuke (so does NK but yeah fuck them they'll probably drop it on their own country anyway)
    so worse case scenario there will be lots of smack talk and muscle showcases but that's pretty much as far as it can go because who will dare to risk getting nuked? japan who's just next door? right.. USA? please that would be the worse humiliation for them..
    so yeah all this airspace crap is just bullshit and poker faces that is all

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:59 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    America.....Fuck yeah!!!!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous

    the chinese ? did you not mean yanks?

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    Comment by Epsilon
    05:40 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    We meant Chicoms smartass.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:51 01/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Yanks" are people from north of the Mason-Dixon Line. We don't have any down here in The Big Easy, unless you count tourists. :)

    Comment by Anonymous

    Everyone Debt this Debt that We owe china money right if we go to war the debt with china doesn't mean shit it will simply be dismissed why the fuck would we even remember the debt with china in the fist place with war happening? we would fight if/when we win the debt is no longer there as we simply own them.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:11 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    children don't understand how the real world words outside their precious videogames and anime.

    Comment by Anonymous

    China has been an arrogant country from the very beginning. Just look at the friggin kanji for the country's name: 中国. The "central" country. Manifest destiny is built into the name.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:01 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    So is the part of the world know as Mediterranean or the view of Earth as center of the universe.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:49 01/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Most ancient people merely called where they lived "The Land" and themselves "The People". Everywhere else was just barbaric country filled with sub-humans. China is an ancient country.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Hhahahaha, the chinese or the fucking Yanks?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:05 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Chinese for now

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:07 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    chinese because cheap goods save me money. i could care less about anything else but money.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:22 28/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    circle of life

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:27 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    except those cheap goods break like no tomorrow causing you to spend even more money replacing them...

    Comment by Anonymous

    Fucking chnks. Get the message boi?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:40 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    you seem agitated because of chunks?

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:56 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    there IS a difference between moe and love.....

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:49 27/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    sloth love chunk.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Not nearly as much as the US does.

    Comment by Anonymous

    nah us and china are business partner. they're just putting a show








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