Loli Ban “Facing Rejection”

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Lobbyist and mangaka extraordinaire Ken Akamatsu reports that Japan’s proposed ban on 2D material deemed to feature minors in compromising or explicit situations (i.e. quite possibly most of it) is facing difficulties and may well fail to pass.

Love Hina mangaka Ken Akamatsu has been keeping abreast of developments and addressing politicians, and provides some relatively informative twits on the subject:

It’s thought that the ban won’t pass “this time.” There is a good chance it won’t be deliberated on by the lower house’s Committee on Judicial Affairs, and even if it does there is still the upper house which can reject it. There is also an election soon so the chances are it will become an abandoned bill.

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A few days ago the Democratic Party of Japan troubled the LDP with the point that “Why are we just banning manga and anime? Why not novels as well?”

To this deputy PM Taro Aso responded that “it’s because manga stands out more” – come on now…

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The Diet members accused those appealing against the ban being nothing but men, so this time I had “a female mangaka with children” join me in the form of Kyo Hatsuki.

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The DPJ has also formally announced it is in favour of explicitly excluding art and other creative works from the ban, which really helps a lot.

The DPJ has now formally opposed the new law on a number of grounds, with Diet member Yoshikazu Tarui (pictured cosying up to Akamatsu) also blogging extensively about the dangers of a ban:

[At today's hearing with Akamatsu and various publisher associations] we saw some very intense debate as to whether manga and anime should be subject to the ban, and I’m satisfied we made some acceptable counter-proposals. Even the DPJ sometimes does useful stuff!

[...] As its original objective is to protect real children, the text of the law should exclude fictional depictions in manga, anime and games so as not to exert an oppressive influence on freedom of speech.

[...] The ban on simple possession applies to possessing material for ‘satisfying sexual curiosity.’ How any objective judgement is possible as to why someone possessed such material is not clear, and relying solely on confessions to make a case is problematic.

It is easily possible to engineer someone’s possession of this material, so this is especially dangerous.

Banning possession also entails forcing people to dispose of all previously legal material, and it is not possible to forcibly check everyone’s magazines, books and computers.

Just as the DPJ wishes to stop the spread of child pornography, as we also want to prevent false charges brought about by forced confessions we wish to establish a proper system for prosecuting such offences.

A rejected or abandoned bill would of course mean no ban, but with the ban’s proponents having schemed for years as to how they can finally destroy the evils of anime and manga it would likely just be resubmitted in a subsequent parliamentary session.

However, with Abenomics already collapsing around it the LDP may yet have far more pressing concerns than merely appeasing its substantial contingent of cultists and unreconstituted fascists in subsequent sessions.


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    Comment by Anonymous
    21:44 16/06/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    "The Diet members accused those appealing against the ban being nothing but men"

    Hilarious how often I read about these "grown, professional people", especially those with government jobs, resorting to playground shenanigans like this to support their claims... hilarious and sad. Did they really believe there would be no women at all against them?

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:25 17/06/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    They're idiots. Exactly like when the conservatives in Canada tried to pass an internet monitoring bill, they said anyone who was against it was clearly supporting child pornography.

    These leaps in logic and name-calling are the only things these old-fashioned politicians are able to do. It's a shame, since their entire job is to be able to properly debate and most people could easily beat them in one.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:38 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    They're pretty much ignoring the fact that a lot of women who like anime/manga/vidya want shota characters in their R-18 BL/otome games/mangas/doujins.

    Comment by Anonymous

    I guess the fictional shota, like all men, has no rights and deserves no protection from the law...

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:14 19/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    They basically ignored yaoi's very existence. Horrible.

    Comment by John Hayabusa
    20:50 16/06/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    This is one of the reasons Akamatsu-san is one of my favorite mangaka. I wish we can have another Love Hina anime.

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    Comment by Myballz
    05:38 17/06/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Ken Akamatsu the man who has the balls to fight for ever Otaku.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:34 17/06/2013 # ! Good (+0.8)

    I think he is the best man from all mangaka (put aside the works)

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:07 17/06/2013 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Must protect Akamatsu!

    Comment by Anonymous

    WILL KILL HIM JUST LIKE ZERO SHIT HEAD THAT MADE LOUISE PEDO LOLI CRAP!

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    Comment by Blake
    12:06 18/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    yes

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    Comment by Tere
    16:48 18/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I poke the troll.

    *poke*

    *poke*

    *poke*

    C'mon, you can do better than that. You didn't even mention God or hell!

    Comment by Anonymous

    YOU ARE THE TROLL! PEDO FUCK SHIT!GRSGREREGERGBBERERGREGREGEREER

    Comment by Anonymous

    YOU ARE THE TROLL! PEDO FUCK SHIT!GRSGRE

    Comment by Anonymous

    YOU ARE THE TROLL! PEDO FUCK SHIT!

    Comment by Anonymous

    YOU ARE THE TROLL! PEDO FUCK SHIT!GRSGREREGERG

    Comment by Anonymous

    YOU ARE THE TROLL! PEDO FUCK SHIT!GRSGREREGERGBBERERG

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:55 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Does this mean he's going to start drawing nipples now?

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:25 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    'Ai love' him also...big fan of ken

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:54 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    and meanwhile i was watching Love hina for the third time today.... and now i read this... :o

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:13 16/06/2013 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    He's still shit, he's only in it for the money.

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    Comment by Clovek30
    21:36 16/06/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Even so, he's helping the community. It's a win-win for both him and the community.

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    Comment by Shimazaki
    02:43 21/06/2013 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    for a comunty to likes to fap at undeveloped girls in drawings............without breast.............cool bro!.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:30 16/06/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    On the contrary, he's one of the very few who openly criticize the modus operandi of Japans publishers, who regularly screw over mangaka/novelists to fill their own pockets. He's also one of the more prominent folks who promote the elimination of the middle-man through direct net publishing.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:11 17/06/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    It's nice to see that someone in Japan has finally developed a backbone.

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    Comment by Diemeow23
    01:23 17/06/2013 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    You've got Ken who's aiming for a more open system, a community where the objective is to make the creation of such material as appreciated and embraced by the public both in support and reasonable prohibition to the under aged and you suggest to simply crawl up inside Amazon?

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:36 17/06/2013 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    um... Amazon? You think mangakas wouldn't try that already if it actually works as well as being contracted to a publisher? They simply don't get the same amount of exposure as they do if they went on Amazon.

    In short: pls go.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:00 16/06/2013 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    Regardless people can self publish through Amazon and make a ton of cash that way. Akamatsu is not needed.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:23 17/06/2013 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    EXACTLY AND REAL PEDO FUCKING!

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:08 18/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    You must be that Agnes bitch.

    Comment by Anonymous

    YOU MUST BE A SATAN SOLDIER RAPING REAL KIDS!

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:57 17/06/2013 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    lol just admit yu like him because of this issue, his negima is an utter fail

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:27 17/06/2013 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    You are just a pervert supporting another pervert.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:19 17/06/2013 # ! Good (+0.6)

    There wouldn't be any real children to protect without sex anyway.

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    Comment by Shimazaki
    02:46 21/06/2013 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    So you agree by having fantasies fo making sex with childs in your dreams?, those are not actual real children, but are children anyway, so, you sucks....just like the "not real children" in this pedo mangas infesting japan.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:52 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    And what's the problem with that!? If your not a pervert then What The HELL are you doing on this site o_O creeper~

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:51 19/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    closet pervert in denial...

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:33 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    obvious troll...

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    Comment by Shuubi
    20:41 16/06/2013 # ! Quality (+0.9)

    Good news. Politicians, take note and please do more worthwhile things to stop child abuse. I had this radical idea that might be a bit extreme but ere goes...helping the wellbeing of actual children instead of 2D ones. Shocking, I know.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:16 16/06/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    What nonsense are you talking? Actually help real people instead of fictional people? Were did you got such idea?

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:20 16/06/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Possibly China? All live porn there is illegal, based on the idea that actors/actresses are necessarily harmed, regardless of age. Yet fictional works depicting anyone of any age are explicitly legal, based on the idea "no victim, no crime."

    Such irony that supposedly democratic governments tend to make irrational laws tainted by personal bigotry and religious bias.

    Then again, touch anything political in China, and plaincloth men will show up in a second and drag you into an unmarked white van. Liberal social freedoms plus no political freedom. Threatening the establishment's hold on power is where enlightenment ends.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:04 18/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    So am I supposed to feel bad for watching real porn now?

    Comment by Anonymous

    Also when real children see these cartoons, they learn that they're seen as sex objects by some. Then you get stupid school girls selling their bodies.

    Societal effect is not just on cartoon pedos, but also on their victims.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:54 16/06/2013 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    So the idea is that when you make it OK to see "underage" fake people as fsck-worthy, it will trickle down into real attitudes to children in society.

    Now someone may argue that "but if such people molest fake children instead of real children, it's OK" - well that then just shows there is an overlap between real and fake children and one can substitute for the other - likely in either direction - why not? But are fake kids enough and do depiction of fake children translate into attitudes to real kids? Well if 97% of Japanese think real child porn possession is OK, one can only think that yeah these attitudes do translate.

    So when we support the one, we tacitly and subconsciously support or enable certain desires. Then existing anti child abuse laws are the only thing which protects real children and maybe it's also just unfair to wet pedos appetites with support for cartoon child abuse only to have laws against actual child abuse.

    But maybe Japanese don't think their children are in need of protection. Heck there was a lot of opposition to real child porn in Japan when those production bans came out.

    Maybe cartoon child abuse does limit real child abuse. That is, if one can trust Japanese rape and child abuse report statistics.

    No matter what, I think Japan should promote it's child cartoon sex to the world more, maybe it will catch on, or maybe the world will call them out on it. Racist depictions of blacks in cartoons or anti-Semitic depictions of Jews in cartoons surely would not fly either.

    Anyway, let Japanese decide for themselves. But the world medias should speak about this and there is not a word of this mentioned anywhere.

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    Comment by Diemeow23
    01:13 17/06/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    @Kohaku

    Right you are! The Reasoning behind the majority of hate related issues like this one can be turned over and pointed at the other direction because there was no real basis to hate Loli related material to begin with, when it boils down to it people who want to ban it usually only want to ban it not for the non-existent threat it poses but simply because they hate it. Go and say "Protect children! Ban all Childlike material" and they'll be up in your face, change it to "Ban Violent Movies, games and other material cause they can harm children or turn them into killers" and they'll be like "No no no! Its totally different".

    I'd suggest better parenting but...Pshht that's too much work for a lot of people right?

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    Comment by molitar
    23:29 16/06/2013 # ! Good (+0.7)

    Where do you get off on this crap? Does 2D manga children or otherwise resemble real people! NO! Anime does not! Manga does not! So why would you think a 2D drawing that in no shape or form looks real should be attacked or called porn?

    There has to be a distinction between real looking and fantasy otherwise anything can and will be attacked at some point in time. It is views such as yours that you can't even stand behind your name and post anonymously that need to be stopped! If you think fantasy and reality are the same thing you need to get your head examined!

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:15 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    That is a piece of bullshit.

    Subconsciously support the other one?

    Someone is mixing reality and fantasy. There are many Superman and Batman movie, do that make me thinking I can fly or spray sticky tread out of my palm? Nope.

    Also, there are no research have proven if there any link between cartoon and child porn.

    So, it did not subconsciously did anything to the mind. Unlike you who goes " I don't like this, so it should be gone" type of mentality, I am going by fact.

    It is a fact that cartoon do nothing to child porn, so it is safe, and the logical conclusion is the material should be left alone.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:12 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Btw The 2D market would die
    (mixing 2d with 3d) lol No rape, NTR, tentacles rape, monsters, loli, shota, nekomimi, inumimi,any mimi lol,gore, no school girls, incest, funtanari, gangbang, BDSM, blackmail

    ok killed 92% of 2D market

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    Comment by Kohaku
    00:00 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Let's ban all shooters and any kind of game which makes the player kill someone or anime/manga with assassination because that will make all of us start killing sprees.

    Comment by Anonymous

    I would think SOME people who would like real CP would be able to find solace and satisfaction in loli porn (hopefully enough to keep them away from the real stuff), but definitely most people who like lolis and/or loli porn WOULD NOT desire to see real CP or to engage in real sexual abuse.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:04 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Not to worry! Strangers who as much as blinks in the direction of a minor can automatically be reported to the nearest police and will aggressively be searched for!

    Except for teachers... those guys are just immune to the law.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:46 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I think they should train all real lolis and shotas in judo.

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    04:33 19/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Can you imagine a loli throwing over a 120kg stereotypical otaku?

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    Comment by Assassinister
    23:17 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Junk the loli ban.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:59 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually, they should learn that most 'child sexual abuse' is someone having consensual sex with a child/teenager and move the fuck on.

    The whole anti-pedosexual bunkus is NOT about protecting children and teenagers, it's about keeping them ignorant of sex so adults can say "MWAHAHAHA! I know something you don't!"

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:37 18/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Are you... serious? Dude, you're the reason why bans like this are being called for. Thankfully you're in the minority among lolicons. Shut up and enjoy your loli anime or it's gonna get taken away thanks to the BS you're spewing. You're seriously just letting your selfish and confused dick do the thinking for you here...

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:43 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Exactly. Just punish both parties and report it on news more then there will be less teens trying to get money out of it. At the moment they're doing it cause they know nothing will happen to them.

    Comment by Taylor
    02:24 17/06/2013 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    Could you close all your other account and stop voting yourself up please.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:26 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    If that were true I'd think you'd be downvoted to -1.0 by now...

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:24 18/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    It wasn't soon enough.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:46 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Taylor. Don't you learn anything from the regular beat-ups in grade school? There's a reason why you always get your ass handed to you in RL or around here.

    Comment by Taylor

    see told you lol

    Comment by Taylor

    I usually am.

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    Comment by Shuubi
    10:49 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I wouldnt have even known my comment was voted up if you didnt point it out. I had to log out just to see; I cant see the score when I'm logged in. I know you have a raging hateboner on anyone thats female but thats got nothing to do with this.
    I've said it before, equating virtual child porn with real child porn only trivializes the issue of real child porn. So many bigwigs pat themselves on the back thinking they are taking real steps to stop it when they try to cull virtual porn, but the effect is meaningless if they arent actually doing anything about said real child porn. I imagine there isnt a huge overlap between consumers of lolicon and consumers of 3D child porn. Anime children barely even resemble real children to begin with.







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