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CNN have been reporting that the “New South China Mall,” supposedly the or one of the world’s largest shopping malls, is now almost totally deserted.

The ever present concerns about the collapse of a vast property bubble in China have been raised, although as usual it is probably the presence of such nominal brands as “Teabucks” which will leave a more enduring impression

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    Comment by Anonymous
    13:09 16/03/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    It didn't explode, that's the reason for its failure.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:49 16/03/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Something did explode: the economy.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:24 16/03/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Imploded, actually.

    Comment by Charismatic Vampire
    22:07 16/03/2013 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Yep it'll implode like the core of a massive star when it goes nova.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:50 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    An, the Chinese economic implosion... SanCom prophets have been predicting it for years. When will this happen? Can we expect it this decade?

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:57 18/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    12:12

    LOL.

    only around 9-10 % of the total federal debt of US is owed to china. 66% of the total government debt of US is owned by American public.

    And you don't just 'ask' for it back. That's not how international bond contracts work.

    Educate yourself.

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    Comment by Yamato
    12:12 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    isn't a majority of America's debt owed to China? I think we should be a bit concerned if they start wanting some of it back.

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    Comment by Pyrolight
    07:42 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    It has to eventually like any boom but like any boom/bust the economy will move on.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:01 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    They don't get it back until it comes to term, which is, at this point, every goddamn day already. What you've got to worry about is that they stop lending the money that they get paid back, or that they start selling off bonds (in which case the US has a hard time selling its own new bonds).

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:56 18/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    u guys know nothing about economies

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:48 18/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    They build too many housing structures so as to add to GDP. It isn't wrong, but if nobody buys those flats they're going to have a massive problem.

    I guess in the future, China will decentralize it's population to these new cities, though their methods are questionable. People need incentives to move, and better houses are not worth it if there is no accessibility to jobs and entertainment.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:24 16/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    you mean GDP..?

    Comment by Anonymous

    Giant Dick People

    or maybe gross domestic product

    take your pick

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:13 16/03/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    They know it's gonna happen soon. That's why there's nobody there.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:45 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's probably empty because a: most Chinese are too poor to shop there and b: those that can afford to think it's a rip-off and shop at any place that's cheaper. Famous brands like Teabucks are over-priced!

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:47 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Macau casino owners will tell you how poor the Chinese are.

    It's empty because it's located in the middle of nowhere.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:02 16/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    So china is failing even with all of that money we pay to them?

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:40 16/03/2013 # ! Good (+0.6)

    If you're american, someone in china said probably the same ;)

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:55 16/03/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Typical east asian crap. Big on the show, hollow and rotten on the inside (which they hope no one else would notice but get laughed at anyway).

    Know the joke about chinese GDP?

    "One day two rich university students from a top school made a bet. One of them said to the other - "I bet you 50 million dollars you won't eat this pile of horse shit". The other student eats it, and gets 50 million dollars. The one now with mouth full of shit says "I bet you back 50 million you won't eat it!" the first student eats it, gets his 50 million back. Now both are sitting like retards with mouths full of horse shit thinking "fuck we're dumbasses". Then an acclaimed chinese professor in economics walks by and says "Don't be foolish, my students! You have just done a very patriotic duty by increasing our national GDP by 100 million dollars!".

    LOL

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:52 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    you pay for their government, not them. its a whole difference.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:43 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    If you're American, they pay for your government. This is why you can't fight them, they own you now.

    They can just release all bonds and dollar holdings all at once, trigger a cascade, and by tomorrow morning, the dollar will worth less than toilet paper.

    Lol@ currency backed by "In god we trust."

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:46 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    yes then right after the US dollar is worth next to nothing the US economy grinds to a halt. Which in turn stops world markets and then everyone is screwed.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:28 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    @ 6:46
    USA! USA! USA!

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:55 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    05:43

    LOL it's amusing that people still don't know how international bond market works and still spouts this uneducated crap like it's the truth.

    Government and international bond market =/= personal finances between you and the bank

    In fact, it's china that's been duped by the exact same mentality and is now realizing it fell into a trap of financing their enemy while holding a bunch of bonds they can't easily get rid of because of international bond agreements that bind them to a certain rules. If they break this rule, they will be ostrasized by the international market and their precious little economy is going back to 1960s.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:49 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    US Treasury bonds aren't callable. You have no idea what you're talking about. Besides, China holds maybe around 10% of our total public debt, that's it. Most of USA's outstanding debt is held by...Americans.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:08 16/03/2013 # ! Good (+0.8)

    with all the money they're spending to build these unneeded outrageous builds and all, they could have used all that building material to build better bridges and housing.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:22 16/03/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Projects like this and all of the other "ghost" buildings are just to show that the country is producing and growing.

    Der Glorious Leader Mao did the same thing back in the 50's when he set the peasants to work doing iron smelting. It didn't matter that what they actually produced was almost worthless low grade pig iron. The point was to show the world that China's steel production was on the rise. Unfortunately, since those same farmers were too busy making iron, they had no time for their fields which led to a massive famine and the death of millions.

    "No problem," says Mao, "we'll just put up more propaganda posters showing bumper crops and smiling citizens. If you're starving, it's because you're lazy and not committed to the Communist cause."

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:38 16/03/2013 # ! Good (+0.6)

    The mall was privately funded. It's actually quite cheap, a small fraction of a typical med sized American mall, due to worthless property value, which is exactly why it failed - being located in the middle of nowhere. Genius.

    It was completed almost a decade ago. It haven't been "deserted," as that implies it was occupied at one point. The place has always been empty since the day it opened. There's also no connection to any property bubble, the location is worthless at any given time.

    Why pick it up now? Slow news day?

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:41 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    China Fail is always funny. Aged China Fail is best fail.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:31 16/03/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Wikipedia says 99% empty since 2005. The story is 8 years old!

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:22 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Collapse of the property bubble.
    Sankaku's just positioning to report the physical collapse of the property.

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    Comment by VZ
    21:31 16/03/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    The Japanese bubble economy popping Mk.2.

    Comment by Charismatic Vampire
    22:10 16/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    The Chinese bubble economy has many of the same parallels of Japan's economy during the 1980s.
    Same issues just on a much larger scale.
    It'll be an impressive show when it all comes falling down.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:25 16/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think their downfall will be another cause - unlike japan, china's centrally concentrated and enforced structure would likely avert such laissez-faire style bubble collapse.

    What people don't realize is that due to china's population, they need to have their GDP growth on at least around 5% just to keep up with their birth rates and hand out barely acceptable level of employment. Factor in global-induced inflation rates of 3%, and that means the only thing keeping their economy afloat is not their limited domestic market, but their export and influence around the world which is quickly facing stiff opposition from nations who are rapidly turning anti-chinese, even the russians and indians who realized the two-faced nature of the chinese.

    It would be a combination of causes, including income inequality, severe area capital discrepancy (rural vs. urban), minority liberation issue, and their dependence on foreign exports to keep the economy going, and especially corruption which is not only entrenched in their society but on cultural level as well.

    In the end, their core belief and value are not compatible with future, but it is much easier to give out the veneer of success, just as japan has, and it is much more difficult to find and admit to faults that has been their way of life for the last few thousand years.

    Their bitchy attitude towards their neighbors are quickly reinforcing their image of petty, narrow-eyed and narrow minded cowards who don't even have the balls to reign in on their pet (NK) when it's exploding nuclear weapons right next to their border. To be realistic, NK and china's neighbors have just as much reason to point their nuclear arsenal against the chinese due to vast historical grievances and desire to become 'big' in the region and finally overthrow those childishly arrogant chinese and rebuild a greater manchurian empire or some thing along those lines.

    China's trying hard to build its domestic market, but with many nations around the world disliking the chinese for obvious reasons, 1 bn middle class still won't save them. Not to mention no one's going to fall for their lies and 'persuasive' attitudes when their two-faced nature is so obvious.

    Besides, America and other nations only had to print more money last time to hit china with inflation and force it to reign in on its GDP growth. They paid a very small price for that in inflation, which is nicely coming along with the re-invigorated economy and growth. Their delusional bitching only makes things easier, much more than they know ^^

    Comment by Anonymous

    Not the same.

    Japan's boom came out of thin air, the small country with tiny population and nonexistent resources could never have supported its oversized economy to begin with.

    China's is more of a recovery after century of strife. China had the largest GDP in the world for 4 out of the past 6 thousand years, since civilization began.

    Comment by Charismatic Vampire
    10:29 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    No Japan's boom started when they went into manufacturing.
    But the difference was the Japanese didn't merely copy things they often improved upon them.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:03 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Now they can make Chinese Dawn of the Dead (original) or Chinese Live action Eden of the East

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:26 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    if only they build in North Korea...

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    Comment by Daniel Park
    15:26 18/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol Teabucks, I'm sure there's a good tea-bagging joke in somewhere in there.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:38 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    So this makes "SM North EDSA" of the Philippines the largest mall in world?

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:19 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nope, not yet.

    You still have that Megamall and a rumored MoA expansion.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:37 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    According to Wiki, the Golden Resources Mall in Beijing is the largest operating mall in the world by gross leasable area.

    The largest in North America is still the West Edmonton Mall because MoA's amusement park isn't counted as part of it's leasable area.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:11 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I like abandoned places.

    This one needs about a decade of decay, though.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:58 16/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Can we call this a huge movie set already?

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:52 18/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    There is something unsavory about modern chinese culture. Apparently they try too hard to put up appearances for the sake of pride or an unnatural desire to be a modern first world society. I think a departure from a less centralized system of one party rule would help them out a bunch.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:11 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    as expected of chinese engineering

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:37 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wow, it's like Japan.

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    Comment by tingle
    11:49 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    State managed capitalism doesn't work. A free market must be free to respond to it's consumers and competition. Bureaucrats can't decide what is fair because economics, like evolution, isn't about fairness, it's about survival of the fittest.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Just like in New York?
    if politicans havent gone in there and regulated the price on renting it would have became so expensive to live in the core that no ordinary worker could live there...

    and with no person with average salary to wash, cook and drive those rich derps around how do you think the core of NY would have worked?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:49 18/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    you are wrong the people exploded

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:39 17/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    The larger concern about their economic implosion is the fact that their government owes more to U.S. based corporations than the U.S. Government (which mostly owes money to it's own citizens, roughly 8T, than to China 3-4T) which exceeds the 6T mark.

    This with the fact that North Korea's primary reason for acting out is their funding from big brother China has ended.

    Did Masamune Shirow right about this in Appleseed?





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