Sony Unveils PlayStation 4
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Feb 21, 2013 09:54 JST
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Sony have finally announced the PlayStation 4, revealing plenty of powerful hardware and advanced new features, and some rather impressive graphical capabilities.
Hardware specs revealed include an x86 architecture CPU, a “nearly 2 teraflops” PC GPU (possibly putting it about equal to a GeForce GTX 660), 8GB of RAM and a HDD.
How upcoming HD successor formats will be supported was not touched upon, although presumably all PS4 titles will at least be in full HD.
The system’s controller sees minor enhancements – including confirmation that the already notorious “share” button will be present, and that motion tracking technology will return in the form of controller tracking.
A much touted goal of “immediacy” results in instant resumption of play on suspend/resume, as well as the ability to share gameplay videos with the touch of a button, and even view the gaming activities of friends in realtime.
Social network integration is also a major feature of the platform, with more efforts to make users surrender their real identities to the trustworthy custodians at Sony and elsewhere.
Remote play and cloud gaming are being billed as major features – Sony’s recently acquired Gaikai cloud-gaming service will offer instant access to all titles, and PSV remote play will be supported intensively for those who enjoy playing next generation titles on 5 inch screens.
It will also be possible to play downloadable games as they download, rather than having to wait for 100% completion, as the addition of specialised hardware allows games and other content to download in the background.
Although not touched upon by Sony in their presentation for obvious reasons, another expected feature of these introductions is the complete or near-complete elimination of second-hand sales.
Games unveiled include Killzone: Shadow Fall, Driveclub, Infamous: Second Son, Capcom’s tentatively titled “Deep Down”:
Square Enix even has a new game, and amazingly is reportedly also planning a PS4 iteration of the Final Fantasy franchise:
Release details and pricing have not yet been announced – although it has already been widely speculated that a 2013 holiday release is planned.
Amazingly, the PS4 itself was conspicuously absent from the show.
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yay PS1 price will drop!
nothing like a good old console without stupid features :)
Yup. I stopped watching the presentation when they mentioned Netflix, Hulu and Facebook.
Fuck that shit.
I don't care to much about the Hulu or even the Netflix part but FACEBOOK CAN GO FUCK IT'S SELF!
Isn't like you HAVE to use those so stop your crying...
LOL an otaku is mad about facebook,a social networking site? Stop the presses!!
You know, it can play music CDs... :D
I thought it's cool to have a console do most things a PC can do since the PS? What's the point of having a console if it's not almost like a PC? It' doesn't have to be a PC. Just like a PC.
Honestly it's ironic. Although I do enjoy the new games, I probably play PS2, PS, N64 and SNES way more than I do with todays consoles.
I second this. I really hate the new direction the next-gen platforms are taking.
Sadly the PS4 wont be able to play PS3 Games -_-
FUCK THAT! NOT BUYING! FUCK YOU SONY! I STICK WITH D3!
No backward compatibility and they won't allow you to play second hand games... FUCK PLAYSTATION 4!
@ganchi
They also said, that the PS3 will have Linux access. I wouldn't put any weight to it.
Of course they'll pull off shit like "network passes" to profit from you when you get games from a friend or second hand. The box will contain a code to let you access usual stuff like online mode which can be used once. If you get a second hand game, you will have to fork over 1/4 of the game price for them to unlock the game's basic features. They don't NEED to completely void second hand game. They'll still rip you off.
They said they aren't going to void second hand games this morning.
It can.
Technically.
THEY'D ONLY LET YOU STREAM IT.
Just keep your fucking system how hard is that?
I'm seconding Anon 1:28, fuck streaming. Not having physical copies of our games is one thing, but I'll be damned if we're not able to keep our downloads either.
Yeah that's it. Fuck streaming. I am not buying Playstation 4 if it is not backward compatible with my ps3 games.
There is only 2 ways they could keep backwards compatibility with PS3 games and those are emulation on implementing the PS3 hardware in the PS4. Emulating is out of the question since the hardware is nowhere near powerful enough to emulate a PS3 and implementing the hardware would increase the price by a huge amount. The only other choices are stream it or rewrite every game to work on the PS4.
We dont know for sure yet.
Know that the PS4 runs the same engines as the PS3. It depends on Sony and the devs.
Imagine having 1 Blu-ray Disc containing both the PS3 and PS4 versions of games. Forward compatibility??
Sony could do this, in my imaginary world, if they want to transition users to PS4.
Sony announced along time ago that they dont plan on making it backwards compatible. Why? so u have to py to download it agin.
PS3
Cell, custom PPC
RSX, Nvidia
PS4
x86
ATI
obviously there wouldn't be any backward compatibility.
The PS3 SDK was not designed with cross compatibility in mind. Development for the platform involves way too much machine-specific code. Trivial binary compatibility on an entirely different hardware is out of the question. If you want your PS3 games on the PS4, then you better be ready to shell for the ports.
Want to speculate some numbers and do some maths how many PS3 games you'd need to possess for the BC chip to amortize, anon 23:27? My guess is not many. Certainly a lot less than any serious gamer has in their collection. Why? Because Sony is as bad a cut-throat ripoff as any company in the business, and they'll charge you a glorious second time for the ports / streaming.
It won't have backwards compatibility, however the Gaikai streaming service will be able to stream PS3 games as well, so that's an alternate take. Probs better too, a BC chip will add to the cinsoles price.
...When ePSXe can play PS1 games with enhanced graphics running on a laptop from 2003...
I know. I had one.
social button
no backwards compatibility
madcats controller with kinect dogshit
It's always the games that matter to me but this is a bit of a put-off.
Backward compatibility will be supported by gaikai technology. Well in caveman term, more money is flying out of your pocket :D
Nothing like being given the opportunity to buy and play* all your games again, this time with bonus network lag!
*Service not available in all regions. If you don't live in the richest parts of the world, then screw you.
All gaikai technology is is just a bastardized version of a very old remote desktop technology called VNC.
Gaikai is hardly even worthy of being called technology.
If anything it's 100% scam.
social button must suck for a basement dweller huh?
Given that it's basically a PC it will be gloriously easy to write highly performant emulators for it.
Apart from encryption, the best they can do to make the life of emulator writers more difficult is to use a new proprietary graphics API. Which I highly doubt they will considering that AMD would have to write new drivers for it and a design goal was to facilitate multi-platform development.
Too many big words... *goes to Wikipedia*
Not really. The original XBox was basically a PC, and yet emulation support for it is worse than the much older PS2.
Doesn't have much to do with feasibility, and a lot with lack of motivation.
So if I understand this correctly, the PS4's specs will be the same as today's, just a bit above mid range PCs.
That is very sad indeed.
Don't care about specs. Don't care if it can play Crysis 3 on Extreme with realistic mods at 4k resolution at constant 60fps either.
Not if I can't actually own my games(require constant online to even play offline) or are prohibited from playing used games.
And Sony hasn't officially come out clean on those issues yet.
That's more important then any specs.
you can play used games and it doesn't require online.
It pretty much is a mid range PC see the X86 architecture.
Some good notes it probably would have linux hacked on to it before it even shows up in stores but in this case you're better off just buying a cheap PC.
It is pretty much an office machine.
I got a colleague that has some inside in the industry and I got from him some knowledge about the new consoles a while ago.
The CPU is most likely an AMD fusion chip.
A octa core (piledriver based if I remember correctly) with an integrated 7650/70 and an additional discret 7650/70 that run in crossfire.
You can expect shit from it, even with modified code which few developers will do now that its x86 based crossfire with such low level GPUs hits its limits rather fast.
buying a cheap pc won't give you access to exclusive console games.
depends on how good you are in programming. emus fly about and that is WAY better even if there's crap called "console exclusive" games. today's consoles are just pushing you to give things that's totally UNRELATED to the game. pc is cheap in the long run and much more safe and easier to use because it's easier to repair your own pc than having a professional that will charge you for wads of cash that's NOT connected to the console problem. also, if you tamper with their console, you're branded as a pirate so what's the freedom there?
lel Just wait til the next 'Wine' comes out, this time emulating PS4's OS.
Mid-range PC, so about $700?
PS4 cost will likely be $400-500, rumor be told it'll be cheaper then the PS3 when it was first released.
But are you seriously convinved that your mid-range PC of $700 will out-perform hardware that was made dedicated to gaming?
Yes, I do.
unless your PC spec is made specifically FOR gaming.
"The reason consoles can perform seemingly as well as high spec PCs despite their lack of spec is because the games are designed specifically for the hardware."
lol actually it is more like games developers are dumping down the graphic quality just so it can squeeze 15-30fps out of those dated hardware to "run" on the consoles for the more demanding game. Take BF3 for example, they can't even do 64 players servers for console, and the game's graphic is running as the equivalent of the lower graphic settings of the PC version, and at 720p as well as with no anti-aliasing nor directx 11 support.
"Hardware made dedicated to gaming" are the same as PC hardware parts, with restriction on power consumption in the form on voltage control and lower clock speed to reduce amount waste heat being generated for the sake of not overheating hardware in the tiny console chassis with restricted airflow and cooling.
Desktop PC gamers on the other hand can use utilities/software increase the voltage for overclocking their CPU to 25-50% faster comparing to the stock speed.
Also, the chances are Sony are probably gonna use the slower mobile parts rather than the full desktop parts so that the console would run cooler and that it will last longer (not that it is a bad thing)...but the concern is which CPU are they gonna be using? Intel or AMD?
Problem with AMD CPU would be it would hold back even the current "mid-range" graphic card by a fairly huge margin depending on the game...if Sony went cheapo and pair a entry level AMD CPU/APU with the "mid-range" graphic, then in lots of games that graphic chip won't be used to anywhere near it's full capability...we don't need the new gen console to hit the same performance disaster like the MSI GX60 gaming laptop...with the slow CPU totally dragging the legs of the graphic part.
22:34
Unless Sony is run by retards, it'll be entirely AMD based & MS will be doing the same too. Because Intel are dicks. I'm not kidding, as the console ages production costs will not decline because Intel refuses to lower their minimum chip costs. This is why xbox1 was killed off after only 5 years of production. Also AMD is desperate for business, so they're more likely to produce chips at a lower price point from start to finish.
Don't forget that good ol' 720p and 30fps on medium settings.
Everyone forgets the important thing about PCs. They're designed with a multitude of graphics cards and hardware in mind, while consoles don't need it. The reason consoles can perform seemingly as well as high spec PCs despite their lack of spec is because the games are designed specifically for the hardware. The majority of slower or low detail games are down to being ports of other console or PC games which are simply not optimized for the system.
In short, a console doesn't need the same spec as a PC to reach the same standards as it cuts out a lot of the unnecessary crap. Whether the PS4 attains that or not, is a different matter.
I'll second 00:34 and 00:13, console games just take the game and run it at low resolution, and maybe even excluding some features. Generally, the picture just gets upscaled. Now, it looks decent, but it's nowhere near PC, even if (I should say "especially if", actually) you're playing it on a larger screen. No, your console doesn't just magically perform better with crap hardware because it's "made for gaming".
PC is, and generally always will be, the only place to get absolutely cutting-edge graphics in any of your games. The resolution and graphics settings you're choosing can push the game's engine to its absolute limits. Console games are just made to give people a no-fuss gaming experience that's more mainstream... well, along with making you have to buy games. After all, modding consoles is a bit of a pain. Piracy gets harder.
I own a 360. I haven't touched it in years. I am thinking of buying a PS3, but that's because I want to play Disgaea games on it, and that's it. I don't buy consoles because there's any actual purpose to them as pieces of hardware. They're shit. They just have exclusive games that you want, and that developers feel more comfortable releasing there because of the lack of piracy.
your comment is so stupid... ofc any good pc can perform better than any console
Except you can't really use it for most of the things you could do on a general purpose computer. What a sad waste of perfectly good computing hardware.
"...putting it about equal to a GeForce GTX 660" my sides are still hurting.
Not even close
Below yesterday's mid range gaming PC, due to this:
“nearly 2 teraflops PC GPU (possibly putting it about equal to a GeForce GTX 660)"
"2 teraflops" means precisely nothing unless you know the chip architecture.
If it's safe to say the GPU is based on AMD's architecture, it's far below the already dated GTX660. Compared to Nvidia architecture, AMD chips do more simple parallel calculations before assembling them together into useful output, resulting in more "teraflops" internally.
So yeah, sounds like a flop.
Who gives a fuck?
The PS3 was designed around "graphics superiority" and look how that turned out. Graphics power means shit for gaming. The old and trusty Pong has more exciting gameplay value than most modern graphics-popamole.
A glorified calculator [Cell] does not equal "graphics superiority".
Sounds like a TERAflop, if you catch my drift.
But the apu+dedicate gpu should work in crossfire, which will result in performances being a little higher than a gtx660. Not to mention, the APU benefits from having faster ram, and using GDDR5 memory as the sole system memory, will increase performances even higher than if they just used DDR3.
All in all, it's still not as powerful as a gaming PC 3 years ago, but considering it's made for games, we can expect a nice boost in quality for PC games too, consoles ports won't be all that bad anymore I guess.
"But the apu+dedicate gpu should work in crossfire, which will result in performances being a little higher than a gtx660."
Just no.
having the most high end pc but with no games to play... now that's a flop.
"No games"
Retards, EVERYWHERE.
PS4 won't be worth buying. Barely any difference from PS3 lol
Keep in mind that system is tuned to handle differently than your typical mid range pc.
Handle what? Facebook sharing?
Tell me how this thing handles anything differently than a typical mid-range PC.
1 WORD: Overheating
I've put Core i5s and 6 core AMDs inside compact cases without over heating issues.
They're just being cheap.
heat usage abilities.
the ps4 will be the same price as a video card to add into a separately-bought PC, plus it won't have the burden of running windows and shit at the same time, making everything slower
you can't compare it to a mid-range PC, the performance is much higher for even the same specs
since the PS2, sony always finds the way to make their system crappy somehow; ps2 games couldn't equal the xbox quality, ps3 barely comes closes to the xbox360 and only a few very specific games are better on ps3,
what will be the ps4 like? one more fanboy system, or any real competitor?
pc is out of the equation, way more expensive and less reliable in terms of performance
Xbox came out years after PS2.
PS3 and 360 differences are preferential and subjective.
It's not clear what that thing will be able to do. It has ridiculous memory bandwidth: 176 GB/s, while a normal Intel PC has, I think, 20-30 GB/s. But the PS4 CPU has to share with its GPU, and its GDDR5 has other rules about latency and stuff, compared to DDR3 that's used on a normal PC for memory. Perhaps someone will be able to do something with the PS4 that'll have problems running on a normal PC... who knows.
That memory bandwidth is between gpu and video ram, as opposed to cpu and normal ram in a PC. Apples to oranges. And unless bottlenecked, it doesn't mean much.
Imagine a 10 lane wide open highway, with your '83 Toyota chugging along at its own pace.
The nVIDIA GeForce GTX 690 and several other PC video cards have GDDR-5.
GDDR 5 might make a difference for the CPU if there was a Bulldozer or ivybridge in there.
I think they did a cost trade off and figured they'd save on PCB manufacture by making the CPU cores share memory with the GPU but to get any performance it had to be fast.
From an engineering stand point it might have been cheaper to just leverage commodity PC parts as an equivalent Radeon or Geforce can be had for less the $170 in single units in bulk they'd be half the cost.
Pretty much all the R&D money they spent on that custom chip was a waste.
My 460 has GDDR5. It's been around for graphics cards forever.
But general purpose RAM in PCs has been DDR3 forever. Who knows if that'll make a big difference for the devs.