Anime in 3840×2160 “2160p” UHDTV resolutions should be available by the summer of 2014, as the Japanese government is pressing for the rollout of 4K UHDTV 2 years ahead of schedule in an effort to save the TV industry from collapse.
The Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications had formerly intended to introduce the next generation of HDTV in 2016, but has announced it will be bringing this goal forward 2 years to July 2014, to hopefully coincide with the World Cup in Brazil.
The “Ultra Hi-Vision” 2160p broadcasts will start on Japan’s “BS” and “CS” satellite channels, to be later expanded to terrestrial digital TV.
It is expected that Japan will be one of the first (if not the first) nation to introduce UHDTV, although the huge bandwidth required may mean a lengthy period of spectrum shuffling on satellite and terrestrial frequencies will be required before all channels are available.
Previously NHK had been indicating it would rather switch straight to “8K” UHD (4320p, or 7680*4320) due to the enormous cost and complexity involved with upgrading TV broadcast and receiving infrastructure twice rather than once.
According to industry figures, Japanese TV sales for 2012 were down an eye-watering 66%, and with “3D” stereoscopic TV having proved an unwanted gimmick and ever larger screens unable to sustain sales (and probably unable to fit in an increasing number of Japanese homes), it would seem the next generation of HD is the only way sales can be revived.
Certainly it looks likely that if forced to wait until 2016 for any upgrades there would not be much left of Japan’s TV industry, which is already being eviscerated by competition from lower cost producers in the rest of East Asia, making the new standard an abject necessity from this perspective.
It has also been noted that with the CAS encryption system underpinning most of Japan’s satellite broadcasts irreversibly cracked last year, the TV broadcast industry has a strong interest in pushing for a new broadcast system (its only other recourse is reissuing every CAS card in existence) – as does the video game industry, which is going to have difficulty offering much in the way of graphical improvements if it is stuck on pathetically low TV resolutions.
However, none of this addresses the reasons fewer Japanese are watching TV in the first place, something generally blamed on the atrocious quality of mainstream TV, which will presumably remain unchanged even in UHDTV.
There are mixed opinions of the announcement online – unsurprisingly considering the Internet is probably responsible for much of the declining interest in TV in Japan and elsewhere:
“Poor Sky Tree!”
“You’d think they’d be more concerned about increasing the awful quality of their programming than the resolution.”
“That is the big problem…”
“What is the point of such high resolution? Sports and nature documentaries? They can’t use it on variety shows and the drama shows look bad enough in HDTV…”
“As long as there is anime on terrestrial TV who cares about this.”
“For anime they are deliberately lowering the quality of TV broadcasts to promote disc sales so it hardly matters.”
“They need to go and beg the forgiveness of all the suckers who bought 3D TVs…”
“Expect a new standard every 3 years from here on.”
“8K is already an international standard so 4K is really just a transient standard, with 8K the main event later.”
“This is just business. Without a new format nobody has any reason to buy new TVs now, so the makers will never survive without it. Not that I’ll be buying one.”
“I think this won’t pan out as well as they hope. Before it was flat, thin digital TVs driving the upgrades, not just resolution. A new tuner could suffice for most now.”
“People are still renting DVDs so I wonder about this.”
“Will bad skin suddenly start looking good at a resolution 4 times higher, I wonder?”
“This sort of progress is simply to be expected of a high tech nation.”
“Great, now we can see each individual pore of our crappy celebrities.”
“All the lengths those poor actresses will have to go to to tidy up their skin now…”
“Even normal HDTV has eliminated a lot of actresses who don’t look good enough – how many will 4K do for?”
“The spread of this tech just depends on them making lots of porn available in it.”
god damn! 4K TV!
“You’d think they’d be more concerned about increasing the awful quality of their programming than the resolution.” Exactly this.
Cartoons in that resolution is so unnecessary.
And here I am, using a 15″ CRT monitor. ;D
Omg. Imagine compression not being invented yet. Only a couple of episodes would fit on a HDD.
Anyway, we don’t really need higher resolution for anime and JAV.
I’d rather see how well 3D anime would do instead. (Is there one yet?)
Omg. Imagine compression not being invented yet. Only a couple of episodes would fit on a HDD.
Anyway, we don’t really need higher resolution for anime and JAV.
I’d rather see how well 3D anime would do instead. (Is there one yet?)
I’ll watch sub-240p hentai in RealPlayer on it – fuck da police!
“as the Japanese government is pressing for the rollout of 4K UHDTV 2 years ahead of schedule in an effort to save the TV industry from collapse.”
Why does Japan care, they don’t even manufacture televisions anymore. All their effort does is guarantee underpaid Chinese continue to have work and the quality of Japanese brands suffers under the hands of Chinese manufacturers vying for the lowest bid.
Clearly the nationalist dinosaurs in office once again don’t get it. Or should I say they’re still in the denial stage, which is why Japan’s economy continues to remain slumped, along with the number of people living in poverty. Or perhaps they simply prefer in that way, so they can continue to take advantage of the misfortunes of their fellow citizens. After all, if everyone were so fortunate, they would no longer have cheap manko & spirits.
Core question they should be asking themselves is:
“who the hell would need TV in 2014+”
But then again, old senile farts making decisions are living in the past …
It’s amazing that none of you guys think out of the box. Who cares about these TVs being used for actual TV usages. These thing could very well replace our PC Monitors. So if these new uHD TVs can do 2160p or higher, I’ll be getting one to replace my 30″ Dell Ultra Sharp 1600p monitor.
Ultra high resolution photo shots would look absolutely amazing at native 2160p or higher resolution uHD TVs. Not only that, gaming at those resolutions would be awesome as well, finally SLi, 3x and QuadX can be pushed to their limits.
I suppose not many of you have actually seen full ultra HD in action before or some may remember this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U7e_quvkPQ
with the current trend, of destroying families, how can they expect, anywhere in the world, for tv’s to be a business. after all most people today are lonely guys or gals, who have no idea of what is to sit with the whole family and watch a tv show, or get together to watch the superbowl, even if you don’t like football. aside from the
decline brought by internet it is also a symptoms of todays society decadence.
oh, and did i mention the decrease in peoples income?
implying tvs aren’t just gigantic monitors for game consoles and set top boxes.
Btw, soccer SUCKS BIG TIME!
Affordable and good quality 4K monitors? WHERE?! WHERE?! WHERE?!
Reading this on a 2012 Sony. It would be a shame if Sony stopped making TVs. You do need something to watch those BD rips on.
Any idea of what 2ch is saying in response to the Boeing 787 f-up caused or at least contributed to by Japan? Japanese government reduced safety standards on the production of Japanese technology in the Dreamliner. Thank you modern Japan.
After seeing the price gap, makes me kinda worried if they will increase. Sure the tech is there, but are the consumers?
I think this improvement has arrived too soon. We haven’t had enough years of service out of our 1080p equipment. I don’t want to plunk down the money for an expensive 4000K set when my 1080p screen is only three years old and still works.
This is probably their New Years resolution.
Albeit a bit late.
Nice pun.
Japanese TV is indeed as terrible as reported. I gave my tv away to a friend to make room for a monitor that I’m using for my new PC, and I haven’t really missed it. I’ll probably be sticking with my 1080p monitor for a while (hell, it was my first proper 1080p monitor and I just got it a few months ago, that tells you how quickly I adopt these things.)
I’ve got mine this year, but I’m not really ready for 1080p yet. Maybe in five years..
Desperate push. Won’t do much good.
Porn at 8K might finally cure me of being a chikan.
Super HD of Japanese Porn.
Now you get crystal clear censor pixels.
I’m finding it really hard to care about this. My PC won’t even do that res. The only thing I see to Ultra HD is huge file sizes and monster CPUs required to decode it. Maybe I’d care more if I had an 8 foot video wall TV, but I don’t.
Stop calling it “4k” already. 4k is 4096 pixels wide and is supposed to use uncompressed frames without color subsampling. It’s a standard for recording and editing cinema productions, not crappy TV. And thanks to some old broadcast grandpas it will probably even have an interlaced mode again, effectively dividing the vertical resolution by 2. Stupid marketing.
The thing that made me finally buy an HDTV was the convenient HDMI cable, and it’s inter connectivity with most modern PCs and macs. One cable! It’s great.
I’m not about to adopt a new TV standard with a higher resolution just for the looks. What convenience is UHDTV going to give me? Don’t answer that, because it hasn’t been invented yet.
First phones with FullHD screens, then TV screens with same ppi… What for? I don’t see much difference between my 480×800 Desire S and my friend’s iPhone 5 with 640×1136 screen.
All that extra resolution will make it possible to stuff in even more of those dumbass Picture in Picture reaction shots so beloved by Japanese TV.
can’t wait to see ultra hd boobs, lolis and many many more things mainly lolis.
Remember the cap is what the studio animates the show in. Unless we speak of Based Kyoani, most slackers don’t have a chance of breaking 1080p. Upscales have their place but its not really what some claim it is.
It’s great that they’ll be broadcasting in 2160p mid-next year. But what about TVs supporting such resolutions, will they be made avaliable? No where in the article say they’ll be releasing new TVs to support the new broadcast resolutions. As it’s pointless to broadcast 2160p, if people are still on 720-1080p TVs. How would broadcasting in 2160p drive sales up for the TVs they have on sale now… if anything, I wouldn’t even bother more than ever before. Until I see a TV that can even support the resolution.
I’m more interested in the hardware release of the TVs, as it that might be a good replacement for computer monitors. I’m viewing on a 30″ Dell Ultra Sharp 3011 with max native resolution of 2560×1600. With UHD TVs surpassing this and supporting 3840×2160 and greater, Monitors would become a thing of the past.
I don’t watch TV much myself, usually nothing of interest are on it 99% of the time. I don’t buy TVs for their screen size either. I have a 1080P LED Projector support for upto 180″ screen projection for that. Watching any anime in cinematic theater setting at home is the best way to enjoy it.
Bullshit!! I just got my Samsung 55 INCH 3-D LED HDTV BACK IN FEBUARY 2011!! I’m not even considering buying a Ultra High Definition TV until 2020. And they better be OLED Screen equipped by then.
You think these HDTVWTF Flatscreens are made to last longer than 2-3 years ? 😉 good luck with that.
And…add that fact that they want to control anime by placing under government control…what will there be to watch on this behemoth?
Meanwhile at Crunchyroll…
Japan-Caring more about TV resolutions than upgrading to central heated homes.
Yah I find that odd too as in the US even mobile homes come with central heat and air.
The very idea of trying to heat your home primarily with kerosene heaters and small electric heaters would be considered crazy here.
I am poor and use separate small electrical heaters for my rooms and LED lighting. My power bill for last month was $56 (and $25 of that was administrative stuff for the power company). You can save quite a bit by heating yourself or the room you’re in instead of the whole house.
Enjoy paying a shitload of money heating 100% of a house that you only inhabit 10% of at any given time.
That’s fine when energy costs are low but in case you haven’t noticed those costs are going up. Rising oil prices, peak oil, and global warming mitigation will all impact on that lovely, inefficient central heating.
Maybe the family disagrees, but surely not the guy with the family :3
Besides, kids are at school from early in the morning till late afternoon.
“Enjoy paying a shitload of money heating 100% of a house that you only inhabit 10% of at any given time.”
People with FAMILIES would disagree with that.
Also, if you’re just one person who only needs a small flat…..why would you move into a big empty house?
All I’m hearing is let’s double down on poor business decisions.
I must say, i dont have big tv, but i seen movies and anime in 1080p in 60 inch screens, believe me, size matters.
Of course it matters, as in: “I don’t think that will fit, lets look for something smaller.”
Absolutely stupid. There isn’t even a benefit to 4k in normal viewing distances. If cost is the problem, they should realize it’s due to their backward economic model. Cost of living is stupidly high in Japan that it costs more to do business there.
meh im sick of anime.. they can do w/e the fuck they want.. i really just wish they would uncensor hentai… they can keep that nasty p0rn just stop fucking up hentai lol
I just want the old good CRT back. Now my games and DVDs have pixels all over it.
Sony should mass-produce those Triniton Wide Wega SD, once again.
Mister Braun, can I work at your shop? I love CRTs, too!
I still use a CRT TV in my bedroom, it still works so why trash it.
Agreed.
Especially since the CRT is the only technology you can fine-tune for near-perfect black and white points. I love doing it on my monitors.
What do need upscales are eroge. Recent years have finally seen some widescreen releases but theyre still stuck in 480p.
And anything beyond 1080 is kinda overkill. A larger monitor can be useful for the increased screenspace but otherwise.
“The spread of this tech just depends on them making lots of porn available in it.”
fuck yeah, now i can savour every microinches of dat skin. none shall miss my eyes GWAHAHahHA
Most porn is already pretty hideous in just 720p.
We must not miss the opportunity on realizing that the porn star we were watching actually missed shaving an ass hair.
Seriously porn will be too disgusting to watch anymore.
lol tech no longer is influenced by porn, thanks to the internet. if were still tech influenced by porn hddvd would have kicked bluray’s ass.
The various distribution systems are not up to the task of distributing UHD.
Then there’s the fact 99.9% of existing televisions cannot display it.
TV is not dead! We watch TV shows all the time. The problem with TV is how we watch it. We don’t sit around waiting for our shows to come on. We DL, Hulu, Blu Ray, Netflix and a boat load of other things. But we still watch TV Shows. We miss our show once the season ends and jump on the show once the season beginnings again. If cable and the internet was cut off just this second we would but in front of the TV as soon as our show came on other them the ones that sill have there VCR. All the networks have to do and it’s a tall order is find a new way to sell it. I hate to say but with all this “TV IS DEAD!” talk. We may not like it.
Look! Damn it! To all you young kids out there. The 20’s somethings. Network TV is based on commercials. That is why TV shows come on for free on the networks like ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX and CW. No commercials and we may have to pay for every episodes and for every TV show you watch. If the networks have there way it’s not going to be that .99 cents crap. It cost a lot to make primetime TV shows. Thanks to your dumb butt we pay for cable and it’s full of commercials. No one ever question why you pay for cable but you still get commercials?!?!
This is so silly.
So if I get this straight, the TV industry fucked it up by actually expecting people to give a shit bout those ridiculous super huge TV’s and the fucktarded 3D gimmick so now they are in trouble and the solution is to pass the burden to the broadcasters.
Fucking genius.
One industry fucks up and another one pays the price, which will also hurt stuff on TV like the anime industry beccause they’ll have to deal with the collateral damage as well.
There’s hardly a point in taking anime that far anyway since the blu rays are the ones with the re animated stuff and all that.
I have to agree with NHK, for a minimal benefit this is not worth it, they’d be better of just waiting for interest in the UHDTV to rise and then do one big upgrade to 8K UHD or whatever it’s called instead of rushing things mediocrily.
Like this matters anywy when most anime is 720p native that gets upscalled.
Though I kind of envy Japan, while most of the world is actually going backwrds with gimmickly subpr shit like netflix and the other awful streaming services that butcher and mutilate all quality, Japan is actually trying to improve the quality of the broadcasts people will get. Nothing like the US where it took ages for HDTV to finally roll out mandatorily.
To be fair, people watching TV didn’t care for HD and people caring for HD didn’t watch TV. I think regarding that nothing changed..
“Anime in 3840×2160 “2160p” UHDTV resolutions should be available by the summer of 2014” – yeah, no. “Regular” HD has been around for how long, already? And there’s still no TV anime and hardly any anime movies produced in even 1080p.
We won’t see anime produced in 4K for a long, long time.
Wow. Moeblobls, now not only ultra boring, but also in ultra resolution!
Rewatching now the Black Cat, in SD. Not particularly good anime, but better than most of the current HD stuff. FMP also somehow doesn’t suffer from the lack of the resolution.
If they wanted to improve something, then they should think about true 60fps animation. Not the current standard 12fps. Action would gain tremendously from the higher frame rate.
japan laughs as their post-WWII no arms treaty rockets their economy to the point where the government is pushing for TV release dates instead of military while the rest of the world is sworn to protect them with alliances.
NHK broadcast 1035i HDTV back in the 1980s! It was called MUSE (sometimes branded as “Hi-Vision”), and it failed miserably. They haven’t learned from their failures.
Lol, what was the point in broadcasting something like that in the 80’s when there weren’t any screens capable of showing it.
Whether you watch that channel or not it will all still be SD on your 80’s TV.
The TV sales are probably crap because TVs are retarded expensive in Japan. I have a 48″ Sharp LED LCD TV that cost me about $1,300 USD about 2 years ago. That same TV in Japan would probably cost about $3,000 USD today.
Wow, this can’t be really that expensive, I just looked at this same TV from Sharp with the 3D gimmick and it went for just $1,000… IN BRAZIL… I never would belive someplace to have a price more expensive than Brazil.
Japanese companies have a ‘gentleman’s agreement’, which is basically illegal elsewhere because it involves price fixing. Because of this a lot of Japanese tourists will buy cameras & electronics outside of Japan, to save a significant amount of money.
I’ll just wait until they make TVs as big as a barn door before I upgrade.
Seriously, changing the format every few years just because they can is fucking stupid.
True.
They got used to making insane profits every couple of years when everyone replaced TV and they want to keep it up but back then it took real improvements to make people replace the TV.
Flat screens were a nice upgrade, widescreens were a nice upgrade, HDTV’s were a huge upgrade and slim TV’s were a pleasing upgrade as well.
Bigger TV’s were nicer and higher quality was nice but it has come to a point where bigger is no longer better and the higher quality is a nice bonus but not really as gamebreacking as it was when we went from SD to HD.
3D was just stupid though.
Maybe they should just accept it, there’s very little they can do to give everyone a reason to replce their TV now, people will still buy new TV’s but there won’t be a new TV boom like before.
^ This
Oh look, something that will be outdated in a week.
i want to buy it but my money not allow me.
Now you’ll know which celebs are having a herpes outbreak and which ones just did blow.
Nintendo is fucked
Nah. I think Sony and Microsoft wont dare released a gaming console of Ultra HD just yet. I am sure Sony is not planning to launch another $600 console. The rumor report the two console will be using middle range graphic card.
Both are said using low power consuming processor to avoid RROD and YLOD (overheating problem).
The rumored spec hardly able to support 4K resolution, and if they did enable UHD, the price will skyrocket and turn off people from buying it during system launch.
“as the Japanese government is pressing for the rollout of 4K UHDTV 2 years ahead of schedule in an effort to save the TV industry from collapse.”
Why does Japan care, they don’t even manufacture televisions anymore. All their effort does is guarantee underpaid Chinese continue to have work and the quality of Japanese brands suffers under the hands of Chinese manufacturers vying for the lowest bid.
Clearly the nationalist dinosaurs in office once again don’t get it. Or should I say they’re still in the denial stage, which is why Japan’s economy continues to remain slumped, along with the number of people living in poverty. Or perhaps they simply prefer in that way, so they can continue to take advantage of the misfortunes of their fellow citizen. After all, if everyone were so fortunate, they would no longer have cheap whores & ale.
“This is just business. Without a new format nobody has any reason to buy new TVs now, so the makers will never survive without it. Not that I’ll be buying one.”
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Is there really any demand for this? tons of tv shows and stations still aren’t even in HD, well at least in north america.
just what they need
My ISP provide internet streaming of Live shows(basically, the news) if you’re subbed to their tv services too, but considering they can’t even manage to do the same with everything else, I hardly ever watch TV now. They really need to get their shit together, why would I waste my time in front of the TV when I could just multi task on my PC and watch some show in the background while playing a game or something.
TV and phones could be easily replaced by the internet if the internet could get some more juice and the ping issues could be reduced, basically, ISP would just need to improve the system and streamline some stuff for everyone to have almost no ping and insane speeds and it could be quite affordable.
Until then data caps, ping and speed still make TV superior for high definition video in real time.
The main issue here is that the ones that could change things, the ISP’s, are often also the ones that would lose their other business like tv and phones with an itnernet uprade so obviously they are holding back.
I really don’t see many people upgrading their 1080p sets to 4-8k any time soon. Japan’s TV market is fucked.
Agreed… first they should wait for anyone to catch up on 1080p before going even further. Most people I know don’t even want to watch BDs and are really fine with their DVDs and old VHS tapes xD
Doesn’t matter what resolution it is censored anime is still censored
Yes indeed we are very lucky from 2014 on we will see crappy japanese tv shows and anime with all type of censorship in full 4k!!!Changhe quality and treatment of aired programs not resolution!
540p anime upscaled to 4k, holy shit the banding.
>banding
You use that word, but I do not think you know what it means.
Can’t wait for 2160 light beams!
I was thinking more about pixel mosaics… they would look great in UHD /sarcasm
I’m fine with 720p, really.
The broadcasters have yet to even be able to offer 1080p on every channel yet so you’re not missing anything.
Ditto.
Had several chances to compare movies in native 1080 v. 720 – and couldn’t see any difference. Unless of course I watched it from a foot distance.
SD to 720 is a noticeable quality jump, but IMO 1080 isn’t worth the disk space.
I’d be fine with 720p & dd51, if a streaming service gave me access to everything in it.
I prefer 1080p but my internet and my nearly full 4TB 4 external harddisk does not allow that. So I went for 720p.
Maybe when google fiber rolls out worldwide streaming services will be able to catch up with TV quality but until then it’ll be blurry videos with HD labeled on top for everyone.
Me too, especially since my TV is only 32 inches.
It’s really a matter of diminishing returns once you get beyond 1080, anyway. The benefits will be marginal at best on any TV under 40 inches, and won’t be anything like the jump from SD to HD, even on larger screens. Where UHD is really of value is in movie theatres, not private homes.
Why the downvotes? Anon speaks the truth. Right now to really appreciate a 1080 display you need at least a 40 inches screen, and sit no farther than 2 meters. What kind of screen would you need for a 4k image? Do they really think anyone can afford (and has space to install) 80+ inches TVs so easily?
I love watching HD (and my TV is not even a full-HD panel – still I can see the difference from SD), but if anyone hopes to replicate the hype of the SD->HD transition, then he’s going to be really disappointed.
The human eye can’t spot the difference in 720p vs 1080p comparison.
Depends on distance and dot pitch, not resolution. A 5″ 640p screen would look razor sharp from 20′ away.
Yes it can. Not sure you would be able to differentiate 1080p and 4k though, even if you sat really close.
Depending on the size of the screen, of course you could.
I don’t think a TV that big would fit in my room…
It fits in your room. If you live in a palace that is.
Looking forward to the licentious hentai in UHD.
yeah.. though I would be fine if they started to sell hentai on BD already.
Those censored pixels will be AMAZING!
Imagine the CoalGirls releases next year.
LOL Fucking true!
1 TB per episode.
CoalGirls released around 500mb per episode while other group around 300mb. Nearly twice the size, and the batch 26 episodes even deadly in size.
Well, joke aside, h265 is coming in 12 months more or less.
I think that 2k, 4k, 8k, are unnecessary at homes, because you need a very big screen. That being the primary reason, then comes the need of a new storage device, etc etc etc.
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Toshiba has a display with a higher pixel density than Apple’s retina display & has had it for years. The real problem is the interface, even duallink dvi struggles to keep up with high pixel count displays.
“the difference between watching anime on a DVD or a 1080p blu-ray is marginal”
….not! The jump from 480p to 720p is freaking awesome.
“A typical desktop monitor at 1080 isn’t a “retina display” by any means.”
But a television at that resolution is, so long as you’re sitting at a typical viewing distance. At a distance of 2 meters (6.5 feet), someone with 20/20 vision isn’t going to notice any perceptible difference between 1080p and 2160p on a 50 inch display. There may be four times as many pixels, but you can’t distinguish them from that far away. As far as television goes, 4k will mostly be a gimmick that will add cost to screens without adding any real value. 8k is even more pointless, since you’d need to be sitting less than 1 meter from a 50″ display to notice any slight difference from 4k, and would have to crane your neck back and forth just to watch a show.
Even if you are sitting close enough to a 4k screen to be able to see the added detail, and are viewing a native 2160p broadcast, anime isn’t likely to look any better. The animators can only draw in so much detail, after all. Even the difference between watching anime on a DVD or a 1080p blu-ray is marginal. Lines might look a bit sharper, but otherwise you’re not getting any more actual detail.
Manufacturers can’t expect television sales to continue as they have in recent years. People were willing to upgrade their old CRT televisions to higher resolution flat screens, but minor features and quality improvements don’t provide nearly as much incentive to upgrade again.
DORK! h.265 is ALREADY HERE! RIGHT NOW!
BTW, the 2160p resolution isn’t called “2k”, it’s been officially named “4k resolution”. 4320P is “8k resolution”. There is no such thing as 2k resolution 😛
Actually, these resolutions are designed so that 720p and 1080p will look exactly the same on these TV’s as it would on normal HDTV’s, all it would need to do is scale one pixel into 4 for 1080p, and scale 1 into 9 for 720p. Anime will still look the same
“10-bit encodes, and they can encode any 720p anime episode into 100-120 mb with excellent quality.”
Hopefully you’re not talking about the group [Hi10], because their releases look like shit. Compression is meaningless if it isn’t lossless.. like how mp3 is inferior to flac. Just because you don’t notice doesn’t mean no one notices.
2K is only very slightly higher resolution than standard 1920×1080 HD. And 4K doesn’t have to be on a large screen – stick to the same size screen and have smaller pixels. I hate to sound like a Mac fanboi (which I’m not), but the ultimate aim is to get the screen resolution comparable to that of the human eye, i.e. the “retina display”. A typical desktop monitor at 1080 isn’t a “retina display” by any means.
But the second point is that even if we get 4K anime, will we actually just be getting upscales? Right now, a lot of mainstream anime is made in 720 and then upscaled to 1080 for Blu-ray release. Moving to native 4K will multiply the storage and processor requirements of the studios by a factor of around 9. Yes, I know about Moore’s Law, but somebody still has to pay the upgrade bills.
There are already some anime-sites which specialize in 10-bit encodes, and they can encode any 720p anime episode into 100-120 mb with excellent quality. Also 1080p with 150-200 mb/ep.
Compression and encoding settings matters the most, which Coalgirls doesn’t really use.
Actually it should be closer to around 368 GB.
I guess this means GE may have found a killer app for that 500GB holographic disc they developed in 2011.
Yeah and you’ll need to buy new blu-rays, new tablets, smartphones, tv’s,more powerfull pc to decode that new codec …
actually within the next few years they are rolling out a new codec that will halve current file sizes.
yea… not much of a difference but it makes a difference
Haha file rip of that size will make even the tenacious pirates sweating.
>he doesn’t own a NAS box
youre power level is weak, son
Not really with how cheap hdd’s are, they’d just add another hdd to their pc and be done with it.
It’s probably the only thing that could even deter pirates.
TV is a dead-end anyway IMHO. I’m 27 and I don’t even consider buying my own TV set when I move out from my parents’ house. I just don’t like the idea of sitting and passively watching what some broadcaster wants me to watch, mixed with a shitload of commercials. I watch anime almost exclusively anyway and as there’s no anime on TV in my country there’s almost nothing on TV that interests me. Oh, forgot about The Walking Dead… but I won’t buy a TV and subscription for one show 😉
27 and still living with your parents, i hope its a cultural thing
Quality matters to many people still. A near cinema experience is what many people want. Not straining our eyes looking at a little screen on a gadget or PC monitor (even the good ones look tiny compared to my home theater). So, no I disagree that this is a dead end. It is the only way to do it for many of us.
you are 27 and still live at home?
hey don’t hate. I’m 27 and living at home, it’s the good life full of hentai and kpop.
Indeed, nothing wrong with living with ones parent at any age, 20, 30 or even 40.
No shame in it,Its mostly fucking US individualism mentality that teels them that they should move out and practically forgrt about family.
Other see it as inconvenience to have “sex”. But novels are there for a reason.
>27
>”when i move out of my parents’ house”
hmmm….TV is the last thing you should be worrying about as of now
if your parents live in a 12 room house, why waste money? that’s how i view it, throw away sense of shame and you’ll save yourself thousands of whatever your currency is.
In the real world, with this economy, it’s pretty much the norm, bro.
It’s not 1960 USA.
I dont even have I TV!
This is the ERA OF INTERNET, GIVE UP FUCKING DINOSAURS!
Copyright will die as well!
thats true^ but using a tv as pc monitor isn’t bad, watching anime in HD on the bigscreen is quite nice.
I have a TV, but I don’t even view it as a TV any more– I consider it a required video game console accessory.
Seriously, there is no good reason to watch TV. Everything you need is on the internet… Well at the very least… Shit that won’t make you into a brain dead fat ass.
You know you can hook up a computer to a tv right? I have my 42″ tv on my desktop at the side of my 24″ monitor, dualscreening, i watch shit in one while i play in the other, or whatever i like, i love having my tv pluged at my pc.
TV is really more a concept of “screen you watch TV on”. If you disconnect it from the TV cable and connect it to your PC instead it instantly becomes a normal monitor.
If I live in Japan I will watch TV (many interesting show and Anime).
but I need to learn Japanese first.
We have a choice to engross ourselves with much knowledge with the information on the internet. But instead most of us choose to watch silly cat videos and porn.
I dont watch cable either, but I’m still excited to hear about this, as a few 3840×2160 40 inch monitors would be amazing.
40 inch monitors with 4k is like mobile phones with 1080p … utterly pointless.
You need >120 inches.
Oh, but there’s plenty of that on the internet as well.
The “as well” part is very important.
Choices, choices, choices.
I only have cable for my cable modem and the TV simply serves as a large display for netflix & anime.
>still watches the walking dead
should have dropped it after ep4, instead of wasting your time on that shit series
It’s a shame greentexting anyplace other than an imageboard won’t die like 3D tvs. But I guess the kiddies have to try to look witty somehow.
>he doesn’t know this is how email looked in the 90s
>thinks it is exclusive to chan sites
>calls others ‘kiddies’
lol the kiddie is you, kid. now run home to mommy.
“but I won’t buy a TV and subscription for one show”
I find the biggest problem is that broadcasters and cable providers can’t let go of the idea of channels, time slots, and region locking.
So instead of forcing me to buy 50 channels on basic cable followed by 3 tiers of upgrade channels to get the one that airs the one show I want to watch, give me the ability to subscribe to a particular show (like a YouTube Channel but through micro payments), let me watch it on demand and in whatever quality I choose when it best fits MY schedule and don’t region lock it to the USA only. You know what? I might even be willing to pay slightly more for a totally commercial free version.
There’s a reason HULU, Netflix, and the like are growing in business while the cable co’s are losing it.
TV isn’t a dead end. Broadcast networks are. Streaming and download services will eat them alive in less than ten years. I’ll buy a nice TV-set when I don’t live in a one room flat, any more, but I’ll only use it for Netflix and blu-rays.
Here’s the issue: The ones bringing you TV and Internet are very often the same guys.
When in the history of manking has any industry voluntarily given up to make room for their replacement?
We’d still be riding horses if the same guys were in charge of selling horses and cars.
And the problem there is that unlike back in those times, most companies are huge conglomerates!
Pretty much. Frankly to me it’s kinda of a mistery why it seems we’re moving to internet-tv (not broadcast only) just now… Tech is not the point, it’s pretty much what we can already do with a good desktop PC.
mac? fair price? HAHAHAHAHA
Unless it’s a mac. Then it’s a fair price.
because fanboys and bangwagoners follow what’s hip. and a good desktop is too complicated for the hip people and premade pcs are overpriced.
Yeah… TV is pretty much dead, but not everyone noticed that simple fact yet. Probably it will keep itself alive for generations to come, like with radio. Though, unlike radio, I can’t see any situation were a TV still fits in my life. And even with radio that’s pretty much only while waiting for someone like my dentist….
Sometimes i feel a bit envy of our forefathers. They only have one hd resolution of their eyes, and the whole world is their screen. The world is bigger and full of expectations back then. Now, the whole world can be cramped into one little box.
Do you want to be wondered by the ordinary or bored by the extraordinary? At first, you can appreciate the feelings of appreciation had by those without the technology to make their tiny experiences redundant, but if you think about how lucky we are to live in a time where we are able to do so much and collect so much information that it seems boring to look at a live stream of a robot on another planet, I think, personally, we have it pretty good.
Afraid of bathing-Church,check
Burn witches-Church,check
High death rate, Refusing science-Church,check
Molesting child-Church,check
In conclusion?
They also were afraid of bathing, had an abysmal high rate of child deaths and burned witches.
Fuck them, thank god they’re dead.
A lot of bawling from losers who can’t afford cable, let alone a CRT tycoon, lol
“TV is a dead-end anyway IMHO. I’m 27 and I don’t even consider buying my own TV set when I move out from my parents’ house. I just don’t like the idea of sitting and passively watching what some broadcaster wants me to watch”
I don’t want to be mean, really. It will seem like I’m starting a fight so I need to put in that disclaimer.
But if you really want to do something active, not passive, perhaps it’s already time to move out?
There’s reasons not to which I understand, but it can lead to a lot of great things for you.
You are a grown man living off your parents who declares he will never buy a TV once you get out there and start living like one. Sure. Sure.
Have some shame, you tremendous embarrassment.
Lemme take a wild guess here, you must be an American.
“I just don’t like the idea of sitting and passively watching what some broadcaster wants me to watch, mixed with a shitload of commercials.”
right, right…way to show the man and validate yourself.
TV isn’t dead, paying monthly cable and satellite subscriptions for 300 channels is dead because like most people you probably only use 4 channels and from there only about 5 shows. Netflix is in the now and the future of TV
Netflix? Is that the cool, hip way of saying Piratebay?
No dumb questions. Only narrow-minded people.
Is posting dumb questions feigning ignorance the new cool and hip way of being a smart ass? It seems it is, or is it?
“Japanese TV sales for 2012 were down an eye-watering 66%, and with “3D” stereoscopic TV having proved an unwanted gimmick ”
Actually it proves 3D was very sucessful, everyone bought one leading to the FY 2012, leaving no left to buy one in the new year.
Or nobody bought new ones since their old ones are still working fine.
Welp, time to buy more HDD for my anime…
Yes, TV IS DEAD! Fuch¿king dinosaurs, they gotta give yup,
Fucking Copyright in gonna be dead soon enough as well
Nope.
Copyright will live on, better distribution channels to the masses will ensure that while reducing the piracy. Win-win for everybody.
There’s a reason why Spotify and Netflix are successes.
GTE THE FUCK OUT, copyright TROLL
Have fun with your interlaced, upscaled bullshit…
Wouldn’t tv of that size take too much space in the already tiny and cramped Japanese house? Hope they don’t break it by bumping on it while changing clothes.
Lets hope all that beautiful HD isn’t wasted on bars of light and steam…..
No need, as they will all be upscales anyway.
We’re lucky enough to get native 1080p animu, and most of them are upscales of 720p, 1080i sources.
If you consider the complexity of Anime sources, even 1080p is mostly yet oversized.
What about BD movies? Aren’t they mostly out in 1080 anyway?
I mean, at the very least, try to promote something that could be worth it, no?
>he doesn’t understand irony
anime*
animu sounds so dumb.
animu tv is produced in 480i, 540p & 720p. only animu film & ova is in higher resolution.
Good to see somebody here who gets it.
They want to try this with the 2014 football championship.
Football = AMERICAN FOOTBALL.
Futbol = Euroqueerfaggot sissyboy kickball.
Football=soccer
Not the American version.
It’s called “The Super Bowl”
I watch anime only in 240p. It adds atmosphere.
Wow. That is so sad, watching anime on youtube.
Pro tips: Youtube have setting button, you can change the video into 1080p if the uploader made it available.
Same story went with a 3D tv’s. No one’s bough them, cause it was too damn expensive.
Too expensive for what it was, 3D.
They expected people to go insne over it but it was a situationaly fun gimmick at best, not the fucking technicolor revolution they expected.
3D is like video telephones. Back in the days everyone expected it to be really cool, but in reality it’s more of a meh thing to have.
It wasn’t the expense so much as it being a gimmick and there being very little worthwhile 3D content available. HDTVs were similarly expensive when they first debuted, but they didn’t flop because they represented a real improvement and the content was forthcoming.
I do, however, have serious doubts about significant amounts of UHD content (aside from the occasional sporting event) becoming available within the next decade or so. Furthermore, ordinary people haven’t even finished transitioning their media libraries to HD yet (hell, I know quite a few who still only have SD TVs), and I don’t think they are ready for another change. There’s also the state of Internet infrastructure to be considered: is there really enough bandwidth out there for streaming UHD to work? Lastly, they are certainly making a big mistake if they think that console gaming (which is itself a troubled market) is going to generate enough demand to push UHD over the hump.
In most of japan yes in the states not so much
Well they were kinda expensive,they required glasses, and there was a lack of a uniform standard.
The public isn’t ready for such a change yet. Many as still transitioning as you said and in many things we still have SD stuff.
Also HD screens had many benefits over old CRT TV’s. Less power, less space bigger screen, more attractive etc, this new things is just about more resolution which quite honestly seems pointless since 1080p is already showing details we wouldn’t like seeing.
The only reason this TV companies are crushing and trying to force this changes to the public is because they got themselves in a big profit circle during the HD transition and instead of viewing it as a temporal boost they started viewing as constant growth and making stupid investments.
They got their hands in the jar with the honey and now they can’t live without it.
Well tough luck,the public ain’t gonna buy this shit if you try to force it to them right now. HD is here to stay for quite a few years more. Try again in ten years time dudes. This shit is gonna fail hard and they will just add to their expenses pointlessly by trying to make people change when they aren’t ready.
I am amazed this TV makers don’t realize that.
And am saying all this while actually being a tech freak. Let as fucking enjoy our HD TV panel for a few years before trying to force new shit down our throats and invade the inside of our wallets. For now we won’t a piece period with what we have like the period we had with our CRT screens.
Nether our stamina and especially our wallets can handle your constant greed.
None of this matters if the tvs still cost an absurd amount.
The price will come down as they become mainstream. A decade ago, a 60″ plasma TV cost $25,000. Right now, you can find them on sale for $1,000.
25K well spend, plasma was touched by the gods.
And anime will still be drawn at 540p…
bring it on!!!!!!!!
I see all those comments about how tv sucks and how it’s “passive” and stuff, and people don’t wanting to buy tvs when they move out of their parent’s house…Am I the only one who wants an ENORMOUS
Quadruple the resolution in h.265, eh? If anyone actually produces content at this resolution, it’s going to be hell on computers.
GPU based decoding will be a must as CPU based is going to be a slide show.
They’ll also need new distribution media too likely some form of holographic disc another thing they’ll be able to sell you.
Not at the bleeding edge the rippers are using out new encodes. Right now there is still no full hardware decoding for those h.264 Hi10 in GPU.
By the time H.265 is in the hardware, they would use something else that the hardware support won’t work just to piss off people.
Who the hell still uses the cpu for decoding or trans-coding any more?
GPU’s do that kind of work any more.
I’ll take one!
lol i dont see the difference between 480 and 1080 – its still painted.
You need a new display or new eyes then, lol.
I’m glad I never bought an HDTV. I’m gonna need all cash I can get to buy one of these suckers, preferably with the cute babe in the black dress included^^
TN: Whew! This is first time I’ve ever felt blessed for being poor, surely christian god was watching after me all these years. Day 1 purchase! I will max out my credit card and gloat about it on facebook. Ha! Take that all you HDTV owners. What? A UHDTV will set me back how much?! And my credit card only has a 1K limit?! FFFUUUUUCCCCCKKKK! Goddamn this poor credit rating!
Hipster spotted.