And that's even ignoring the fact that you ignored what I said about this being a fighting game, where every character is mained by many different players... and they boycot at the idea of even an old fart of a man like Gen Fu being left out, leading Team Ninja to keep him in the series as an unlockable character.

It'd ludicrous to me that you seriously stand by your stance and aren't saying that you're just joking... I don't even need to be a DOA fan to know this, just someone who knows anything about fighting games.

"...but within the fanbase everyone has fans, and people actually 100 page threads of paragraphs about the stories and the character backgrounds."

Thanks for letting me know I'm talking to a rabid fan. That clears up so much about how you keep missing my point. As most blatantly illustrated by the following, "And you want to talk about DOAX, then Zack is in all of the DOAX games, so does that make him in the same league as the ladies for you now?"

To explain it for the slow: He was comic relief and never makes an appearance except at the beginning and ending if the games. He's a plot device, nothing more.

You keep believing that the male characters are important to the franchise, and I'll keep laughing my ass off at you.

If you take out all of the guys, you take out Ryu Hayabusa, who is more popular than any of the females.

You mess with the tournament scene and all of the hardcore fans who main the male characters.

Outside of the fanbase, maybe no one knows anyone besides Hayabusa, but within the fanbase everyone has fans, and people actually 100 page threads of paragraphs about the stories and the character backgrounds.

Even if you could argue that this is all crap, why the hell would a developer get rid of all of this? Even if they are treating the guys like shit in comparison, they're still relevant.

And you want to talk about DOAX, then Zack is in all of the DOAX games, so does that make him in the same league as the ladies for you now?

I'm going to take this slowly for you. Game companies make spin-off games of popular characters. The more popular the character, the more likely it'll get placed in a spin-off. UNpopular characters don't get spin-offs.

So, 'Popular characters = Spin-off games' and 'Unpopular characters = forgotten by everyone not a die-hard fan'.

This means that the female characters of the DoA franchise are more important than the male ones. To the point that they, and they alone, appear in ALL the spin-off games. In fact, Kasumi and Ayane make an appearance in Ninja Gaiden. So what spin-off games have the males appeared in, again?

This is why I wondered why they even bother with male characters anymore. I'll also point out that from the beginning, the female characters have received far more creative attention than the males; up to and including from the creators themselves.

If you want a comparison of male/female attention inside and outside of a fighting game's fans, look no further than Street Fighter.

Guess what, idiot, go ahead and look things up on your own. You'll see that I was right because I supplied correct information, not because I said "fuck you"

Fucking dumbass.

Oh, wait... /sarcasm

The only male character most outsiders even know about is Ryu Hayabusa, and only because of the Ninja Gaiden games.

...exactly (it's laughable to even try and sell that idea)

VF1 - 1993.
VF2 - 1994 (console release in 1995).
DOA - 1996.

VF2 had a very complex counter system.

Fuck you.

Intentionally non-virgins? Probably.