Sony Threatens Mass Bans for PS3 Pirates

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The recent “LV0” PS3 key leak rapidly led to the PS3 being cracked and a literal “free-for-all” return of full scale piracy to the platform – a situation Sony has chosen to tackle by threatening evil custom firmware users with a ban if they do not delete the wicked software from their consoles.

The missive:

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Given that it is taken as common sense amongst pirates never to connect their hacked consoles to the PSN, the effectiveness of Sony’s countermeasure has been widely questioned – though with the PS4 expected soon it may be too late for them to savour the victory in any case.

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  • Huh, it’s funny as hell that Sony gets pissed off when hackers do mods to the PS3s that THEY bought & try to sue or ban them. But, they don’t do shit to any of the hackers that invade their PS Home service & skull-fuck the shit out of it by constantly freezing the server & stealing sensitive information from other PS3 owners. And then when people tell Sony about these problems, they reply with “We’ll investigate into it” which they don’t. Causing those same people to Hack & Mod their PS3s as retaliation for Sony’s terrible ass Customer Service. You see the loop here in this? Because that’s what’s happening with Sony right now.

  • Considering how it was Sony’s gawd-awful online services that resulting such a massive data loss, I anticipate Sony are publicly forcing many PS3 owners to choose between a bad service OR free games.

    Hmmm… don’t think Sony have thought their ultimatum through all the way.

    They should do what I do and seed slightly inaccurate versions of the LV0 to try and make the leaked info harder to find and abuse:
    erk=CA7A24EC38BDB45B98CCD7D363EA2AF0C326E65081E0630CB9AB2D215865878A

    riv=F9205F46F6021697E670F13DFA726212
    pub=A8FD6DB24532D094EFA08CB41C9A72287D905C6B27B42BE4AB925AAF4AFFF34D41EEB54DD128700D

    priv=001AD976FCDE86F5B8FF3E63EF3A7F94E861975BA3

    ctype=33

  • Broken optical drive is a good justification for that. My PSP’s optical drive went south pretty quickly after warranty died so I had no choice but to go pirate so I could use it. Anyone with a working optical drive would be crazy not to move over to playing games off the HDD only and leaving the optical drive always idle. I was very happy when the Wii was hacked and I was able to move all my games over to an external USB drive.

  • I’m OK with piracy because I’m gonna pirate games I would never have bought otherwise. I have the money, but those games are so mediocre it’s not worth to buy them. Pirating them is another matter

  • I am thinking of buying a ps3 just b ecause games are piratable now, the console doesn’t havemuch to offer that I can’t play on the pc anyway, oh, and about the PS Network? I’d just not connect the ps3 to the internet at all, I’d never use the service anyway. Never used it on the x360 either when I used to have one

  • PS3 is mostly about PSN, except for single player games(which still have network leaderboards and stuff sometimes). I don’t get the need to pirate if you can’t play what you like online. It’s like copying the best recipe in the world but forgetting some basic ingredients. I know I’ll hack my PS3 when I can play online with it too.

  • I don’t have a PSN account so I won’t be bothered. But I won’t allow my PS3 to be modded either, it will risk losing important electronic parts in the modding process and may end up having YLOD more often than before.

    Again, they should also tackle non online issues for this matter.

  • I lost all respect for PlayStation when they established that Backwards Compatibility was a no go on the new system. To this day I STILL don’t own a PS3 and don’t wish to own one.

    However, I have been carefully watching for a workable PS3 Emulator for the PC/Mac (I can go either way). With the Level 0 Keys cracked, I figure that it’s only a matter of time before PS3 games can be played via PC. And yes, I don’t think that there are any PS3 games that would make me want to access the PSN anyways. If I want to play an Online Game with my pals, I’m happy to resort to the cheaper alternative with STEAM and/or Free-to-Play MMOs like Fantasy Earth Zero and Mabinogi Heroes…

    I have the PlayStation 2, PlayStation ONE, Wii/GameCube, PSP, GameBoy Advance/Nintendo DS… (Most of the Older Consoles)… I’m sure I could continue…. but all of these are working Emulators on my computer. The only ones I’m missing are: Xbox/Xbox360 and PS3. Once I have that, I’m done. I can just buy GAMES… Yes. I am honest enough to at least BUY the games (So long as they are still current and can be run on my computer.—Wii games are an exception, I still buy the game, but then convert the data because the disc cannot used on a MacBook Pro for “Security Reasons”.

    Guys, now that you have the Lvl 0 Keys, hurry up with that emulator!

  • I have a ps3 with a dead blu ray drive, makes sense to pirate with it.

    I just want it for playing all the JP games that don’t make it here, since I don’t understand the language it doesn’t make much sense for me to buy a game I might not be able to play especially since they usually cost more then normal.

    When I do eventually learn the language, then ill consider buying legit copies.

  • the only reason why the ps3 didn’t had a hack past the 3.65 is because the main guy behind it is working now for facebook and i am pretty sure that somewhere on his contract must be a clause that forces him to not release anymore updates for it.
    as for why mod your ps3 one of the most simple and legal reason for it was in order to have a backup copy of any game you had this is legal as long you own the original, several people did this with the playstation and PS2 to protect the original game from getting scratches over use, also to be able to play imported games

  • If Sony wasn’t such a dick it would be doing better right now.
    Removing Linux and forcing devs to give them PS3 exclusive content does not help the consumers, and they spend more time trying to fight financially harmless cracking(yes it’s harmless because studies show cracking does not equal less sales) on the PS3 than making the network and credit card info secure.
    Telling people how to use their hardware, this is why PC is doing better than consoles.
    Sony has not learned from PS3 or Vita, I see a sad future for PS4.

        • Actually, you’re most likely the “dumb shit” as Japan and the US both use the NTSC format. PAL is for Europe and the chances of the previous Anon being in the US is greater.

          However, in the PS2 Era they had region locking that a backwards compatible PS3 still respects despite the PS3 software being mostly region free. The discs are not encoded differently it’s just their region key doesn’t match the one the PS2 emulation software is asking for.

          Do some research before you call someone an idiot next time.

    • You sir are an idiot! Do you know alot of government and legitimate business were using the PS3 to do research for medical purposes? The Linux OS with the power that it could calculate chained together was doing better than computers were!

      Sony being the asses they were decided they were not making enough to allow the PS3 to be used for other purposes than gaming and removed the Other OS support. This in itself probably cost a lot of loss time in research because when one died they could no longer replace it legally so the PS3 became a bunch of bricks to the businesses that purchased them for research.

      Sony was being asses to remove a featured advertised as that as well as hindering research that could help millions.

      • PS3 is dated technology, a single ATI produces GPUs capable of more than 4 teraflops of data, more than 4 times what Cell could do and Cell was ALWAYS available in IBM Blade Server configurations.

        The only reason PS3s were used were for bragging rights & affordability, due to the fact that Sony was losings money on hardware sales & desperate artificially to build a user base for their failing system.

      • Which the courts should have cracked down upon on and told them “No, you cannot remove this functionality, you have to keep on supporting it forever since you promised it from the beginning!”

        • Will never happen. That woudl be like telling Microsoft to support all versions of Windows because they created them, or telling a company that drops it’s printer line to focus on it’s camera line it must continue working printers. Don’t be dumb.

          Shit gets dropped all the time Do I blame Sony? Nope.

    • Never attribute to malice (being a dick) to stupidity

      They stupidly thought they could get tax breaks by including Linux support and calling it a computer, but that didn’t go through so they (in another stupid move) just dropped Linux support and pissed off some people.

      Exclusive content… that’s not unheard of in consoles, and that was one thing consoles competed on with each other. I mean, if you want Mario/Zelda/etc… where else to go but Nintendo? Sony might have been stupid to not adapt as multi-platform releases become more common, nor did Sony develop their exclusive content/franchises as well as Nintendo does

      • Paying other companies to make exclusive games is entirely different from making your own games and publishing them in-house like Nintendo. Although MS paid for exclusives too, so I don’t understand the fingerpointing at Sony.

        • Not a “fanboi”, He is correct, google lensoftruth, you will see that Xbox has a lot more games in 1080p that also look sharper.
          Bayonetta is a good example of it’s poor image quality but even worse framerates.

          Though It seems PS3 does pull ahead in lighting and post processing effects.

          Hopefully PS4 won’t have such issues and will be top dog.
          Things they need is for 1 MUCH MORE RAM and a much beefier gpu

        • Exactly, paying companies to develop a game exclusively for one system has been common practice since the days of the NES, and every console maker does it.

          Theres only two reasons that Sony has trailed the competition this generation.

          1. The 360 came out a year before the PS3, allowing it to establish a large installed user base before the PS3 even hit the shelves.

          2. The PS3 is reportedly harder to program for, so multiplatform games are often poorly optimized for the PS3, making the games inferior to their 360 counterparts.

      • First party games aside, in they past they have demanded exclusive content to even allow third party games to be ported on their system.
        Leaving PS3 players with no game or the other players with a half done game with missing content.
        That kind of stuff doesn’t help anyone, it’s purely being a dick.

    • They won’t. LV0 keys are only useful to old consoles, newer ones have LV0.2 module instead of LV0, and METLDR2 instead of METLDR. LV0.2 and METLDR2 are obviously not susceptible to the hacks, and the keys are different.

      It still doesn’t prevent people from using CFW on older consoles, of course, since Sony is BOUND to support them as well.

      Good for me, bad for them.

  • im confused as to why people expect Piracy to be an OK thing….and get more up in arms when a company dose something about it….

    but hay thats me, as alredy stated most people with common sens who “hack” the PS3 are gona keep offline but with the time its taken for the hackers to do it and nerly all games that have come out being all console ones i see little value or even accivemnt in the Hackers win here… after all if you wanted a game why not just play on a hacked 360 not like they took long to crack, specily with the PS4 comeing sometime soonish (pobly 2014 late or end my guess)

    • Despite all the replies to your post I don’t see the most basic reason for “pirating” being mentioned in any of them. You paid a sizable chunk of cash to purchase a good that you now are said to own, the company your purchased it from is claiming that despite you now being the legal owner you cannot modify their product that they are no longer the owner of, this is legally called leasing. If Sony wants to lease products to people that’s fine but the cost of the product needs to reflect it being a lease not a sale as do all the associated taxes and contracts. Sony refuses to acknowledge the fact that they sold you their product and you can now do whatever you want with it but also refuses to change the agreement to a leasing system as that would cost them money. Legally the absolute most that Sony is allowed to do is void any warranty they provide for you altering the product beyond that they cannot legally threaten any action.

      Banning from the PSN(Playstation Network) is somewhat of a gray area that would need to be decided in court because PS3’s were sold with the advertised ability to use the PSN however the PSN terms of service also state they can be modified at any time without your permission so if Sony chose to modify the PSN terms of service to say that only completely unmodified consoles were allowed access to the PSN then they could even ban any one who had more controllers hooked up to their console then the number it was originally purchased with. So it would come down to a court decision on whether they were required to provide access to the PSN because they advertised the products with access to PSN or if they can later remove advertised features (as they did with Linux).

    • Sony Removed OtherOS via firmware update, this made all PS3 users that wanted to play new games unable to keep the OtherOS function. If you wanted to access the PSN and play the old games you needed to update as wekk and remove removes the OtherOS feature.

      Basically It’s Sony’s fault for trying to force people give up on a core feature of the PS3.

      If Sony hadn’t been dicks about removing a feature they may have kept their DRM.

      • HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

        I hope you enjoy making 1/10 of minimum wage then. “People who make a living should be happy with making 1/10 of what they’re making right now! 70 cents an hour is more than enough for a human being!”

        • You mean minimum wage for the advertisers and corporate excutatives? Advertising and administrative costs of major titles typically cost at least 5 times the actual programing cost.

          When you pay $60 for that Modern Warfare 7, $50 is going to people who actually makes it, rest lines corporate coffers. Then there are DLCs.

          When you pay $10 for Indie and small company titles like Sins of a Solar Empire, overhead is minimal. Then there are free content updates.

    • @10:15 – you fail to realize that the original hackers hack these systems to show that they can. It’s just like any other security ridden device. People wanna figure out how it functions, defeat it, and then do papers, etc on it. That is what reverse engineering is all about. Not the end result, but the labor of love it takes to get there and the knowledge you obtain along the way.

      The end users are the ones who profit from it when it comes to actual software running.

    • What Sony is doing will do almost nothing for piracy. Those who pirate will have the common sense to stay hidden/off PSN and keep pirating

      The people who will be hurt the most are the people who DON’T pirate
      -the false positives who accidentally get flagged and banned
      -the people who accidentally installed something without knowing
      -people who buy second hand PS3s (with the PS4 coming, a lot of PS3 owners might trade in theirs) might get burned for what the previous owner(s) did

      The pirates aren’t up in arms. They’re just laughing.

      • It ain’t even about sales or profits, since fighting piracy costs a shit ton and its a lost effort because piracy has 0 effect on sales.
        They waste all those resources fighting a lost war instead of providing better services, and it’s all a matter of ego.
        Sony doesn’t want to “lose” to hackers.
        That’s the whole motivation for this.

      • That’s the point of using a hacked PS3 anyway. Stay offline, and play non-localized games.

        The problem comes from those who want to go to PSN because they feel it’s justified because Sony sells things and they have money. This actually creates a headache for Sony because the hacked PS3s entering PSN and the store are unknown or unauthorized.
        Just think what your anti-virus does when it encounters a suspicious file or program. It gets blocked.

        In the end, when playing online, the developers will want to see everyone playing on the same firmware to remove the chances of in-game cheating and hacking occurring. Same for the PSN store. No downloading for free because of hacks.

    • I wouldn’t automatically equate the hacking of the PS3 with piracy. Re-enabling the OtherOS, making it easier to use homebrew software, those are the benefits I see to it. Yes, some people will use it to gain access to things without paying the price. But not all of them.

        • Anon @ 21:25 14/11/2012

          Please get your facts straight before you try to argue something clearly wrong. There are many games that use more than 16GB, so I don’t know what you’re saying… Have you ever played FFXIII? They had to reduce quality when they ported it over to the Xbox to make it fit on their HD-DVDs because they can only handle 15 GB per layer, where as BD has 25GB per layer.

        • Well, those programming tricks need to stop, Anonymous. I’m really angry that they haven’t switched to solid state anyway. 16GB’s is more than enough room for one game even in HD, so why aren’t they using Flash drives yet?

        • False. If you are running a BD Disc game there are a number of files that are NOT transferred to your HDD to save space. Or the files are transferred in a compressed format that only the disc holds the tool to uncompressed the files. These are all programming tricks.

        • Agreed. I don’t understand why since the games are installed to the goddamned hard drive anyway why you cannot just run them directly from the hard drive, no disc necessary or only a ‘check to make sure disc is present’ at start and then the Blu-Ray drive goes offline until access is needed again.

        • Yes, 15:06, people who run custom firmware to run a game that they own from the hard drive in the game system that they purchased should be absolutely punished for their deviant behavior.

          Seriously, what are you thinking?

        • Except that thinking doesn’t apply here, because this is not a real living person, it is a machine.

          A machine that is only doing what the CUSTOMERS want it to do, which is to run custom-firmware.

          Now, I could understand them banning people for running custom firmware and cheating in games, but only that.

      • I don’t really pirate newer games that much though I do often buy used games.
        But I do like to be able to load homebrew,emulators and roms on my consoles.
        The Wii for example lacks a true media player but you can add one using the homebrew channel.
        Such a thing would be nice on the PS3 as it’s media player and browser are at best a sick joke.
        Being able to play old PS1 and PS2 games also would be nice.
        Sony is just being a dick as there is no reason why backward compatibility should not be possible.

      • Exactly. I get annoyed that people buy the bullshit that the Sony spreads and assume that the only purpose is for piracy. Like you said, it IS what some people will use it for, but not the only thing. There are plenty of people upset that Sony got rid of the ability to have another OS, especially considering that was a major selling point for people. I also don’t like the idea that Sony, or Microsoft for that matter, can tell you how to use something that you’ve paid so much for. You don’t have Honda taking your keys away from you for adding a turbo to your civic do you? Even though, most likely, you’ll be using that to break the law.

        • [quote]The LV0 key is a Sony key.[/quote]
          Crypto keys are not a type of property. You cannot own numbers.

          [quote]This is reason enough for any company to justify banning consoles.[/quote]
          Sony doesn’t have to let me access their networks. They are well within their rights to control just who and how is allowed to use their services.

          That said, the PS3 became my property as soon as money changed hands and I took it out of the store. Sony has absolutely no say in what I do with it.

        • @ 12:59

          PS3s are made in China though, so there’s a possibility that a manufacturer’s employee leaked it all and the hacking groups in the west picked up on it. Or that it was pure effort of the hacking group that released the LV0 hack.

        • 12:25

          “They actually took the key from Chinese hackers who wanted to profit from it by selling hacked PS3s, preventing them from doing so.”

          That’s a good thing. People who profit from piracy are pure scum.

        • the key was found by a hack group legitimately.

          a chinese one wanted to profit from it, so the first one released the key making the Chinese one never sellable.

          as for hacking, look at fucking on disc dlc.
          i would totaly hack that into my games if i could, but i also have the ps3 for online play.

        • LV0 key used to hack the piracy isn’t justifiable like jailbreaking.

          The LV0 key is a Sony key. This means that the hack is actually illegal as the key used was stolen, not found in a traditional hacker manner.

          There is no way that the hackers found it on their own. They actually took the key from Chinese hackers who wanted to profit from it by selling hacked PS3s, preventing them from doing so.

          My point is that hacking uses unseen bypasses to allow for unrestricted uses of an electronic device.

          The LV0 key is not hacking, because it’s using a legit Sony property to access the root of the PS3.

          This is reason enough for any company to justify banning consoles. At least Sony didn’t ban them in the past, where the previous hack didn’t use Sony’s key.

        • @ 12:25 14/11/2012 # !

          Stuopid moron detected, one that has not the fucking least idea what the fuck this is about,. one with such little intellect that since he has no brain believes somehting “is impossible” “unless” thing…

          REATARD

      • Maybe this is just me, but I don;t get why people want to run alternative OS or other things on a PS3 instead of a good PC. I have a PS3, so am not trying to rip the Sony fans, buit wanting to hack my PS3 is like wanting to go hack a five year old computer instead of using my much more powerful laptop PC to play with.

    • PS4 also is reported to not be that big of an upgrade over the PS3.
      The specs I seen a quad core X86 with an Integrated GPU will make it much less powerful then the Xbox 720 closer to the Wii U but it should be very easy to pirate compared to it’s predecessor.

    • People want free things.

      Also, because the games industry costs a lot. Under all of the products available out there, they’re luxury goods, so people have to expect that they’re expensive.

      Of course, there are people… Who want free things.

    • Well it’s nothing complex. Most are spoiled people who think they somehow deserve things without working for them because of a shallow, idiotic perception that corporations are evil and that since they’re only harming the publishers that they’re somehow an ally of the developers or some such bullshit that is an utter lie and untrue in every way.

      Most of us download things to a certain degree, but most of us old enough to remember what it meant to have to work for things we wanted (aka in our 20s) have some level of an honor system in what we will and will not pirate. I will only download anime because of how difficult it was to acquire back in the day. Now that it is considerably easier to get anime, and not as long a wait, I now have adapted to treating it like watching on TV. If it makes me feel great and I loved it, its bought, simple as that.

      Hacking systems for the sake of gaining access to worldwide features is one thing, but no matter what anyone says, the vast majority are spoiled little poor brats who won’t even rent the games they want for a measly ten bucks through Netflix or something.

      So people who attack the company for taking action simply identify what they are: stupid.

      • And you are probably an american that your parents buy everything for you and are whining because some people are pirating something, right?

        Probably you don’t know, but games aren’t cheap in the rest of the world, like is in the U.S. In south american for example, games are HELL EXPANSIVE! They pay 2x or 3x more than americans. For example, in some countries here, xbox 4gb cost $ 300~400.

        So, stop whining here and try to understand.

      • HouseLife you are a TOTAL REATARD!

        Corporations are fucking evil, thats is FACT, what planet are you then moron? Where compnaies are honest, look after the environment, take very good care of their customers, are constantly innovating and evolving, engage in front free competiton, are not corrupt…and son on FUCKING WHERE MORON?

        Second so you feel like an old fart that believe in some shitty honor…sorry, if you want to get trapped in the past be my guest the rest of the world, we aint gonna do that, by your retarded logic we would still be using a leaf to cover oour dicks and vaginas!

        Netflix….you are probably from the shitty USA, with that avatr a shitty tv fanboy to boot!, many good US citizen but sadly most have your shitty mentality, you believe the world start and ends with you, so for you the entire world has netflix and have blockbuster in every damn conrnr? Its because of shitty retards like you that good US open minded US people as seen as totoal retards by the rest of the world.

        Lastly defending shitty coprs that believe their “rights” are more important that entire societies, that human rights and that they should be prioritized over everything? let me tell you gain MORON!! Son of corps!

        So criminalizing downloaders and uploadres, harshers legislation in the entireo globe¡ Be my guest, this aitn stopping and if you pish harsh enough then yes, you´ll get it, no more downloads but lets fuck it all you aint getting mine or other peoples money either = no download = no so called legal purchases physical or digital PERIOD

        What I am talking buslshit? As if countless studios has not already stated downloaders = majority of customers too!!! So piss off hard enough and you aint seein any money, we? We can instead go out and play, pay prsotiutes or have real gf/bf, play turist the old fashion way, sing outsleves, go to libraries you name it..

        I am still talking bullshit?

        Initial prove:

        http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/a-month-after-download-law-consumers-spending-less-on-music-survey

        For those lazy to read:

        —“Bring the average price of a CD down and I might buy one…”

        —“I rarely actively listen to music now anyway – it’s just on in the background. For the price stores charge I wouldn’t buy an actual CD.”

        —“In terms of cost performance, CD albums are pretty poor.”

        —“This is how the Japanese music industry will die…”

        —“Since they got so strict about downloads I actually don’t feel like buying new music.”

        —“Listening via YouTube’s enough for me.”

        —“I used to discover a lot of new bands by downloading their albums without worrying about whether I’d like them or not. Now I can’t do that, so I hardly buy CDs.”

        —“I usually buy about 100 songs a year, but more often than not I get them from foreign stores. Music here is too expensive.”

        —“What idiot would pay those prices for a new CD!? I buy my music used now…”

        —“I don’t want CDs, per-se; I want music. If more tracks were available to download I’d buy more.”

        —“Why pay? I can sing for free…”

        • Yes, HouseLife, that is exactly what it is, to be blunt: YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP!

          People are beginning to see through your ‘glass almost empty’ arguments to realize that the glass is almost full for game developers and console makers except when they go out of their way to piss off their best customers, most of whom are the ones who use hacks of consoles to get back some control of their games.

        • @HouseLife are you being payed to spout that nonsense? I was part of the mechwarrior online closed beta I can tell you the developers of MWO abused their powers lied about the sold service. I am not stupid enough not to know that a plus 10 pages agreement between me and a company leaves me with zero rights and multiple loop holes for the company to use against me. I think I lost about 60 canadian dollars due to the agreement fine print in this case. I may have been feeling generous when I paid for a closed beta and I didn’t really mind inversting in a good game but bad company is bad and will steal your money at any opportunity.
          How many companies can you mention that don’t steal from buyers using shady purchase agreements?

        • Maybe if corporations respected customers a little more, piracy wouldn’t be so rampant. With the current prices, heavy DRM in both devices and media, it’s only natural that some people want to use what they paid for in any way they like.

        • HouseLife, get real. The fact is that most true game developers don’t give a shit about piracy, it is the ‘bean counters’ who whine and wail about piracy.

          The game developers realize that 99.9% of the time, the pirates are people who would never be able to afford the actual legitimate thing in question anyway or are not really ‘pirates’ but people who use cracks and custom firmware to get around anti-customer DRM.

          Such as the discs, which are easily scratched, having to stay in the drive while you are playing the game for NO GODDAMNED REASON!

        • We don’t give a shit about piracy because we don’t deal with it, we’re too busy making the games and want our paychecks. We give a shit about piracy when our sales are low and we don’t get our bonus and vacation because of the pirates.

          What if the game was made by developers, all of whom had shared profits? Would you still spout out the nonsense about how it’s some corrupt corporation because the publishers still profit from them? You all are lying to yourselves, no matter what you rationalize about how piracy is somehow a benefit or okay, you are telling complete lies. This is the fact. Nothing I say will change your selfishness of course, because you’ll sit there and pretend to feel good about your poor ass who can’t even afford things you enjoy as if that’s somehow a justifiable thing to get something for nothing.

          @ Anon 14:59

          Well two things are possible, either A) You’re part of a shitty company, which do exist of course, or B) You’re a complete liar. Either way, you added nothing to this. If you don’t defend your team and creation, then you’re part of the problem. Simple as that.

        • Of course I’m full of crap. Because it couldn’t possibly be a real thought that someone built these businesses with the dual function of being successful, wealthy, and also giving people enjoyment, that would almost be a fairy tale, wouldn’t it?

          Except that I’ve worked with and met many of these people. Even management who know nothing about videogames begins to discover that there is something special about them, and the teams they form in order to make these incredible works. You can’t imagine how easy it is to turn someone who has never played games when they are on the team with you, seeing it made with you, and then they get to test something they helped make through supporting you.

          Of course I will never say everyone becomes like that, and there are those who inevitably find themselves losing interest in this part of their lives. But you know nothing. Absolutely nothing. About how much work and passion goes into games. Everything people label as ‘bureaucracy’ or ‘management’ as what kills good games really don’t know jack shit about what they’re talking about. Only spoiled brats could possibly shit out such useless statements about things that people spend months on. Which yet again reiterates the statement: stupid.

        • The way I see it no one is getting anywhere alienating their own goddamn customers. It’s not like we need games or music or stuff to survive. But those corporates, they need us. That’s something everyone of you should think about for a minute.

        • People are people. Some are good, some are bad. Corporations are made up of people. Pirates are people. Labeling vast swaths of humanity as evil is never useful.

          At the end of the day, pirates want things– games, for a lower price than the market value. Corporation employees also want things– to be able to do their job while making a decent living wage. Everyone wants to protect their interests; it’s not a bad thing in and of itself.

        • True words!

          You dont need the greedy publisher to make creative works, its only the middlemen that brainwash us into believing their are needed when the internet more than anything has proved time and time again they are merely parasites!

        • HouseLife you are a TOTAL REATARD!

          Corporations are fucking evil, thats is FACT, what planet are you then moron? Where compnaies are honest, look after the environment, take very good care of their customers, are constantly innovating and evolving, engage in front free competiton, are not corrupt…and son on FUCKING WHERE MORON?

          Second so you feel like an old fart that believe in some shitty honor…sorry, if you want to get trapped in the past be my guest the rest of the world, we aint gonna do that, by your retarded logic we would still be using a leaf to cover oour dicks and vaginas!

          Netflix….you are probably from the shitty USA, with that avatr a shitty tv fanboy to boot!, many good US citizen but sadly most have your shitty mentality, you believe the world start and ends with you, so for you the entire world has netflix and have blockbuster in every damn conrnr? Its because of shitty retards like you that good US open minded US people as seen as totoal retards by the rest of the world.

          Lastly defending shitty coprs that believe their “rights” are more important that entire societies, that human rights and that they should be prioritized over everything? let me tell you gain MORON!! Son of corps!

          So criminalizing downloaders and uploadres, harshers legislation in the entireo globe¡ Be my guest, this aitn stopping and if you pish harsh enough then yes, you´ll get it, no more downloads but lets fuck it all you aint getting mine or other peoples money either = no download = no so called legal purchases physical or digital PERIOD

          What I am talking buslshit? As if countless studios has not already stated downloaders = majority of customers too!!! So piss off hard enough and you aint seein any money, we? We can instead go out and play, pay prsotiutes or have real gf/bf, play turist the old fashion way, sing outsleves, go to libraries you name it..

          I am still talking bullshit?

          Initial prove:

          jap an today.c om/category/national/view/a-month-after-download-law-consumers-spending-less-on-music-survey

          For those lazy to read:

          —“Bring the average price of a CD down and I might buy one…”

          —“I rarely actively listen to music now anyway – it’s just on in the background. For the price stores charge I wouldn’t buy an actual CD.”

          —“In terms of cost performance, CD albums are pretty poor.”

          —“This is how the Japanese music industry will die…”

          —“Since they got so strict about downloads I actually don’t feel like buying new music.”

          —“Listening via YouTube’s enough for me.”

          —“I used to discover a lot of new bands by downloading their albums without worrying about whether I’d like them or not. Now I can’t do that, so I hardly buy CDs.”

          —“I usually buy about 100 songs a year, but more often than not I get them from foreign stores. Music here is too expensive.”

          —“What idiot would pay those prices for a new CD!? I buy my music used now…”

          —“I don’t want CDs, per-se; I want music. If more tracks were available to download I’d buy more.”

          —“Why pay? I can sing for free…”

        • [quote]Only a moron actually believes in the word ‘evil.'[/quote]
          You are not required to believe in it, it’s in the dictionary.

          [quote]Especially when it’s a corporation attempting to make money off a product, especially a product that cannot exist without creativity and team work.[/quote]
          This sentence doesn’t make sense. It contains two separate statements with no expressed relationship between them.

          [quote]Evil is nothing more than a word spoken by someone without the intellect or willingness to understand the other side’s perspective.[/quote]
          Insulting the opposition is not an argument.

          [quote]If you paid any attention to modern corporate America, you would see why the difficulties exist in terms of consistency and job security.[/quote]
          Which I’m sure has nothing to do with the fact that America destroyed it’s industry by outsorcing to China. By your beloved corporations.

          [quote]You speak of the organizations trying to stop people from endlessly stealing their stuff as the villains.[/quote]
          Copying is not stealing.

          [quote]Are they completely in the right to protect their creations so they can continue to grow and get better? Absolutely.[/quote]
          Absolutely not. Copyright is a privilege granted by society supposedly in our own best interest. We are not required to continue to grant it when said privilege is being abused. Or when it no longer benefits us for that matter.

        • @Kappa Engineer

          Only a moron actually believes in the word ‘evil.’ Especially when it’s a corporation attempting to make money off a product, especially a product that cannot exist without creativity and team work.

          Evil is nothing more than a word spoken by someone without the intellect or willingness to understand the other side’s perspective. If you paid any attention to modern corporate America, you would see why the difficulties exist in terms of consistency and job security.

          You speak of the organizations trying to stop people from endlessly stealing their stuff as the villains. The level of delusion in that is unfathomable. Do I agree with their methods? No, there are much better ways, I voted them down too. Are they completely in the right to protect their creations so they can continue to grow and get better? Absolutely.

    • Anther retard that dont know shit.

      NOT, multiple devs already said it, we had Linux so we did not care much to hack it….the took linux out so the pandorax box was opened

      Thats why it took 4 years to hack, devs had no interest in doing so any earlier

      It took further 2 years to hack it 100% becaseu sony dicks went on a suing rampage, rember multiple devs got into DEEP SHIT trouble for it, of course it was expected that they did not want to endup in jail.

      In the scene everybody knew select devs had completely hacked the ps3 but did not want to share, which further made the “scene” develop into the shit it was for 2 years…

      So no, it was not really a victory for sony, because if devs really had worked on it since day one they could have had i hacked fans, eve more if all they had shared the knowledge like in some other scenes, but the ego of the ps3 devs was the no1 culprit that it too long not that sony made some super amazing security and second for the furts few years sony had “devs” busy with linux there, but neither to fans, in the end everybody lost, this generation as a while but the PS/PS3 particlularly were total shit.

    • Not really. Hacks have been around for a couple years now, but they mostly involved special hardware and/or specific firmware versions. Once Sony announced plans to remove the OtherOS option (Linux), then people actually tried to break the system. A couple months later, the system was broken wide open without any special hardware. Sony fought back by modifying their loading process with 3.60+, but “the scene” stopped trying for the most part. They actually had the means to break that (due to breaking the highest-up, unmodifiable root key), but it wasn’t released until just recently – and only because a leak was being used to attempt to profit off the information.

      Sony’s security on the PS3 is great from a theoretical standpoint, but it’s implementation was awful. It used an improper type of hypervisor for security. It implemented a PKI without knowing the weaknesses of said (closed) system. It was full of major security weaknesses that negate all the positives of their design.

      Oh, and I teach a cryptology and access controls course for a university. Sony dropped the ball on this one. For all the good mechanisms they put into place, they ruined the system as a whole with some poorly implemented pieces.

        • lol, like patching an ISO so it is recognized by an old key vault code was ever difficult. The only thing Sony did was delay how fast pirates could play their pirated games. And deny theirs selves additional software sales.

          For example, my friend bought Uncharted 3 and quickly found he could not play it on his 3.55CFW system, so he downloaded the patched ISO and sold the game as new. No sale for Sony.

        • It depends on what you mean with “hacked”. If you just want to run pirated copies, then yes… Sony made it hard for pirates.
          But if we talk about the hacked linux part, which let you hack the PS3 even further, then we could say that the system is hacked for roughly 5 years.

    • It wasn’t hacked for the longest time because no one cared enough to do it. Once they took away Other OS that’s when shit hit the fan for those groups that used it to install Linux for a cheap super computer. Sony’s “Security” was actually just so full of bullshit that it appeared to be harder than it actually was and it turns out it was not only the fastest to break open but its also the easiest. Considering all you need to do it put some files onto a flash drive and run it, and you don’t even need a flash drive, you can hack a PS3 via TI-83 calculator if you wanted to. Regardless this is irrelevant since the PS3 has been hackable for awhile now.

  • Sony has the right to ban them from their online services; however, at least they are only banning users from it and not bricking their consoles unlike Microsoft… They can still use their PS3 offline for items that are playable now. Who knows if they’ll be able to play future titles tho…

    It’s all a chance they take when they decide to illegally access content. I’m sure they know the risks.

  • So, yeah. People are still defending OtherOS after they removed it?

    What I find truly ironic is that during the year prior to them removing OtherOS, they ran a promo asking people to show them what makes OtherOS so amazing and why they need it.

    Back through 2006-2008, the “contest” as you would call it; Lasted for 9 nine months and had a scant number of submissions. It simply showed that nobody cared enough about it to defend it when they were given the chance to. I should have, but I didn’t and I regret that. But we can’t live on regrets can we?

    And even then, the folks who wanted to hack the console were openly bragging about using Other OS to do so.

    Were the people who used the OtherOS bragging about how they needed it for legitimate purposes?
    No. They kept silent and that silence gave them the treatment that they deserved.

    What I truly find disgusting?
    All the lousy pirates who pretend that they’re homebrewers.
    They do not have the fortitude to man-up to their choice blatantly steal items and software that they have no right to use without paying for it.

    They enjoy hiding behind the handful of folks who enjoy finding functional alternative uses to their products, eventually ruining it for everyone and having the entire group labled as pirates.

    tl;dr A person who used OtherOS, didn’t speak up during the Keep OtherOs promo and explains why we can’t have nice things.

  • People wonder why the world is creating stricter rules and policy. I truly dislike people stealing games and software. It may not be a physical asset, but It is stealing in the same. I’ll stick to saving my money and getting the games I like when I can. At least I can enjoy a game I had to put my time into obtaining.