Japan “Most Sexist” G8 Nation


The World Economic Forum has proclaimed Japan one of the most sexist nations in the world, placing only 101st out of the 135 nations surveyed, with the worst showing of any in the G8.

According to the Global Gender Gap Report 2012, an international comparison of sexual discrimination published by the World Economic Forum, Japan now ranks 101st out of the 135 countries surveyed, having fallen a further 3 places from 98th since last year.

Japan also boasts the unwelcome distinction of having the least overall “gender equality” of any G8 nation.

For some reason the top performers were all Nordic nations, with Iceland in first, followed by Finland, Norway and Sweden. Germany came 13th, the UK 18th, Canada 21st, and the US 22nd. China came 69th, and South Korea 108th.

Amongst Japanese there is now more than a little scepticism about endless foreign proclamations of the endemic evils Japanese women are supposedly subjected to, particularly when Japan barely scraped in above several Arab nations:

“Japan certainly does suffer hugely from sexual discrimination – most of it against men!”

“And this would be because of the pampered position of women in Japan, right?”

“Right, few nations have less gender equality than Japan – the preferential treatment women here get is extreme.”

“These results seem a bit extreme.”

“More leftist fabrication.”

“Those women only carriages have much to answer for!”

“You have to treat women with more worshipful obedience if you want to score higher.”

“Your responses may not be totally serious, but this really is a ranking of female supremacy.”

“Few nations persecute men as much as in Japan.”

“We need to eliminate gender distinctions in Japanese society, starting with separate changing rooms.”

“Just accept the fact that Japanese women actually want to become housewives.”

“The only reason young women want to become housewives is because they know nobody will treat them equitably if they want to become managers, no matter how hard they work.”

“Housewife = NEET.”

“Odd that Japanese women enjoy automatic success in any dispute over child custody if they are so discriminated against.”

“Pity the samurai spirit of the Japanese man, bravely working all his working hours and only stopping for lunch on the meagre allowance his wife allows him…”

“The people who compile this research have just been getting all their information from extremist groups like ECPAT, who are desperate to denigrate Japan with their lies.”

“This is obviously all part of someone’s agenda – overseas they all think Japan is the most chauvinist nation in the developed world.”

“Most of their findings are based on anecdotal evidence rather than statistical findings, and they are gathered by groups in the various countries rather than any independent source.”

“Kind of ridiculous to see nations with vastly higher rates of rape and violence against women rank higher than Japan in this…”

“Funny how nobody in their right mind would want to live in the ruined nations at the top of the ranking.”

“Talk about inequality – women are unlucky to get any actual punishment for their crimes, whilst any false accusation they make sees men arrested and forced to confess.”

“Some of Japan’s official statistics:
Homeless: men – 14,707, women – 531
Suicides: men – 21,419, women – 8,502
Deaths from overwork: men – 301, women, 16”

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    Avatar of entropy13
    Comment by entropy13
    18:46 24/10/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    The Philippines is the highest-ranked Asian country (at 8th)!

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:24 24/10/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Finally something good from our country

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:24 19/11/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Time for men to stop acting like little bitches and stand UP to bitches: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4zSRkBMPng

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:14 11/01/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    amen on that one.and I also believe that its time that us men stood up for ourselves.When it comes to man hatting women who want to bash us and insult us for no reason.and also japanese animators should stop overdoing it with the whole abuse is okay when its female on male bullcrap it really getting old.And its ruining our anime for damn sake

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:23 26/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    That and Pacquiao

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:17 25/10/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    The global gender gap report does not consider sexism against men a problem. Any type of advantage women have over men is not included in that report, this stated very clear in the report. If sexism against men was factored into the report ranking a nation like Sweden where politican have called men "talibans" would not make it to top ten.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:35 24/10/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    I read that as "Sexiest" at first.

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    Comment by Dan Hibiki
    01:15 25/10/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    me too. you can imagine my disappointment.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:24 19/11/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    It's time to get your balls back: http://manhood101.com

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    Comment by tyciol
    03:02 19/11/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Especially since it's "most sexiest" which would be fantastic.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:10 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Lol same:D
    Sancom has bad incluence on me .

    Avatar of Neat Hedgehog (2009/11/8 - 2014/03/06)
    02:02 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Ah, so at least it wasn't just me because I didn't have my glasses.

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    Comment by คภєк๏
    04:00 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Didn't any of you think that "most sexiest" would be wrong?

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    Comment by Cabulb
    20:28 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Yes, but SanCom is not exactly known for its immaculate English grammar.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:26 27/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    It is for emphasizing.

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    Comment by Dan Hibiki
    04:23 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    yes, but i wouldn't be surprised by it.

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    Comment by Ryuu
    07:43 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I also read sexiest.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:33 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Same here! I was so confused when reading the article lulz

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:44 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I had to read your post to realize... Dishonor! Dishonor on my whole family! Dishonor on me! Dishonor on my cow!

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:29 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    wow.. and i thought i was the only one that who read it wrong..

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:53 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    yep, only reason I clicked.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:04 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    fuck?! i thought that too

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:00 24/10/2012 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Japanese women are simply smart enough to know a few simple truths: most work sucks, there's nothing "liberating" about being a lonely childless crone, being a soldier fighting a rich man's war just makes you a dupe, there's nothing empowering about being violent, there's nothing wrong with being feminine, wearing a skirt never hurt anybody, and there are many ways to be powerful.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:39 24/10/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    You should try being a man wearing a skirt in the dead of winter. One strong breeze and the suffering is immeasurable.

    I don't know why I keep doing it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:59 24/10/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    A Scotsman I see.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:55 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Only the manlyest men wear skirts.
    William Wallace

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:34 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    And the even manlier ones rock braided pigtails.

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    Comment by Crazy_O
    18:12 24/10/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Especially the work of japanese salary men, you have to be out of your mind to aspire this kind of life. Even more and more men opt out of it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:47 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    That's not being smart. That's just being a survivalist - doing what is the most likely thing to survive.

    You can make the same argument for a man to stop working and go "feminine" - well, that probably created a lot of NEETs and people on sankaku ;p

    Comment by Anonymous

    Difference is that men are not allowed to exist like this. Women are sometimes praised, sometimes seen as oppressed for not having to work and still having a life. Ask me in 30 years, when I start to go suicidal from the hours I work.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:00 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Preach it!

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:35 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Japan “Most Sexist” G8 Nation"

    Good, now lets work to keep it that way!

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:46 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    >>wearing a skirt never hurt anybody,

    Tell that to the scottish and their indipendence.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Actually, the majority of Japanese woman are childless. And you can work and still be feminine. I work in Japan and I'm one of the only women that wear a skirt to work : P I don't think Japanese women are as hyper-feminine as you believe them to be.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:28 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    I don't know where YOU were in Japan, but back when I was there, the women were very feminine. I used to see them wearing short skirts in the cold fall weather.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:47 24/10/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)



    Got to Sapporo in February and see women wear miniskirts @ -12+

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:10 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Miku's from Hakkaido and she sports mini-skirts! Oh wait, you meant real women.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:58 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Miniskirts you say? Time to go book a plane ticket to.. where'd you say? Sapporo? Will leave january 31st with nothin but a thick ass blanket and binoculars

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:48 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    -12 is nothing.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:43 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I am in a small town rather than a major city. That may have a lot to do with it. I remember seeing the same when I lived in Osaka though. Especially with the high schoolers hehe.

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    Comment by PirateKing
    23:10 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    They are more feminine than most western swine any day of the week. And what you say sounds fake anyway, since I lived for a long time in japan and know when someone lies about the place.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:27 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Oh, a lecturing, instructive, loud-mouthed know-it-all. Why am I not surprised that you're a western woman, not to mention one of that typical sort of gaijin broads that you find in Japan.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:35 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    W-what? I was just giving some of my perspective from the inaka. The OP comment sounded pretty know-it-all as well. And what exactly are the categories that make up this "typical sort"?

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:35 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    She sounds more like korean or chinese american english teacher.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Don't worry, he has a sample size of exactly 0 and has never been to Japan. Shrug it off.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:00 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'd imagine most people don't even want to deal with the hassle of children if they can avoid it. They probably see it as "all that money could go to me instead".

    Comment by Anonymous

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    Comment by Anonymous

    I also enjoy watching buckets of cum on sweaty hairy muscular man.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:24 24/10/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    When I was studying in college, one of the main lecturers stated as part of his lecture that Japan "is an extremely patriarchal society that oppresses its women". If I recall correctly, it was during a lecture where we watched a few minutes of "Grave of the Fireflies".

    To my knowledge, the lecturer had never even been to Japan, nor could he speak its language, nor was he interested or well-versed in its culture or art. In short, he was full of shit. But the female students seemed delighted to hear his statement, as if proud of their "freedom".

    General rule: only ever trust research and observations by people who know what they are talking about and always try to see things in the big picture (ie. NOT the idiots putting together these kinds of surveys).

    Men who fight for women's rights don't realize that by doing so, they are looking down on women. Women embrace the support of those men and attack the men who truly treat them equally. Feminism is fundamentally flawed because it's about setting females apart from males whilst demanding they be treated the same.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:25 24/10/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Men who fight for women's rights don't realize that by doing so, they are looking down on women.

    Bullshit. I would fight for everyone's rights regardless of how much I despise them and what they are. Emancipation is an all-or-nothing deal. So long as unequal treatment is tolerated, someone is going to get the short end of the stick, and that someone may end up being you, regardless of weather you are on the "privileged" side.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:53 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    I agree, let's fight for the rights of both genders.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:32 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    You are confusing incorrect application of 'equality' with 'Emancipation'. To treat different things differently is not unequal, it is reasonable. What makes things 'unequal' is not the nature of things being different, but people being unable to resist that bitch urge to put bananas above apples.

    In essence, 'rights' 'equality' and 'emancipation' are not words to be thrown around lightly. Especially by people like you who have such shallow and infantile understanding of its meanings, and essentially try to label anything remotely uncomfortable or inconvenient as 'unfair' and 'discriminatory'.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:25 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)


    Comment by Anonymous
    03:17 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Apple and orange does the same work, and orange gets paid less, for being orange.

    Yes, apple and orange are different, and yes, they should be treated equally despite being different.

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    Comment by Shima-kun989
    04:27 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    but but but.......
    I LIKE APPLES more than BANANAS!!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:56 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.3)

    "Men who fight for women's rights don't realize that by doing so, they are looking down on women. Women embrace the support of those men and attack the men who truly treat them equally. Feminism is fundamentally flawed because it's about setting females apart from males whilst demanding they be treated the same."

    Agreed, and another point:

    Females and Males are different gender. They have many different needs, different ways of reaction, differing preferences simply by the nature of the fact that they are biologically diametric. Therefore, different treatment and roles for each gender is no more 'unequal' than 'unequalness' of gardener tending to flowers and construction worker laying bricks.

    Women should understand they are different then men, and try to build themselves up so that their spheres of influence is just as important and respectable and if necessary, powerful and demands respect and fear. Feminists seem to ignore this basic fact and instead try to make us all 'same' only with physical differences, which is a pipe dream and a logical fallacy.

    In rejecting traditional feminine roles as 'subservient' and 'ignorant', they are essentially sabotaging themselves by acknowledging that their role is secondary to more 'masculine' roles. There have been societies where women are not only held to the same respect as that of men, and even respected far above certain male roles simply by the virtue of the fact that those real women had more balls and spine than an entire platoon of marines. Just because you are on the receiving end of the literal and figurative 'spear' of men doesn't mean you can't be as respected and feared within your own sphere of influence that is of equal value to masculine roles. If this is not the reality today, then they must strive to make it so that it DOES become reality. Rejecting this not only infantile and short-sighted, it goes against the very nature of female/male dynamic.

    If feminists think they can create a society that only differentiates men and women based on who has what genitals and no other differences can exist, they are fooling themselves. Remember, differences and inequality are not one in the same. Especially since either genders are, well, different genders, each can carve out its own spheres of influence that complements the other while standing as equals by the virtue of that same difference, since comparing apples and oranges is not a valid argument.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:56 24/10/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Wow, what a load of sugarcoated sexist bull. And incredibly shortsighted at that. Keeping women in their "traditional" roles is costing the global economy hundreds of billions of hard dollars every year. Instead of spouting ideology-laden nonsense, educate yourself about the facts.

    There is nothing, nothing in the female biology that keeps them from being capable managers, engineers, lawyers, doctors or other high-income professions. Get a fucking clue.

    Females are diametrically different in many ways, even most feminists don't dispute that at all. That doesn't change the above mentioned facts.

    That said, hot article pic is hot.

    Comment by Anonymous

    > Get a fucking clue about context and meaning behind words

    No you. Get a clue how to express yourself in a way that doesn't invite scores of interpretations with no way of telling what you're actually intending to get at. Good debaters will make their points short and precise. Also don't use words in plain incorrect ways.

    > "Educate myself" lol so typical

    You obviously haven't. Otherwise you'd know about the significant and well-quantified wasted economic potential due to women still being kept from advancing in male-dominated fields (which is what my "educate yourself" was referring to. Not the (duh) fact that females are biologically and psychologically different). The implication of which is that their characteristics have no bearing on their aptitude for accomplishing "masculine" jobs like leading or engineering.
    That's not what your original post was about? Well too bad, how about expressing yourself properly next time. Protip: walls of text around a single point and lots of fancy writing don't reinforce an argument. They also don't necessarily make you look smart. Neither do contradicting statements and suggestive analogies that don't suggest what you apparently wanted them to and are faulty to boot.

    > by trying to be what you are not and denying your strengths and instead whoring after and imitating the 'stronger' party

    Well fuck you. I'm not going to be the humble and composed background-schemer when I have a clear and superior basis to take you head-on. Come on, try it.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Get a fucking clue about context and meaning behind words. The way you automatically assume simplest of conclusions about people's intentions regarding roles and jobs shows how shallow you are thinking. If it was simple as talking about who's fit for what job based on gender, I would not have said all those things. You simplify other people's meanings and twist them to suit your version of how other people sound.

    "Educate myself" lol so typical. Please tell me you are not a female. If you are, you are the reason why no men including myself will fully respect your attitude. You cannot overcome centuries of differences by trying to be what you are not and denying your strengths and instead whoring after and imitating the 'stronger' party.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:39 26/10/2012 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    The way I see it, women's equality issues is almost the same thing as black rights issues. Sure, a few niggers might have some potential, but 95% of them are mindless, primitive brutes who do nothing but commit violent crime after violent crime. There might be a few talented negros among the lot of them, but they are by and large a vicious, primitive, savage race.

    By the same token, 95% of women are brainless sluts, but there might be 5% that are exceptional. The question is, do you sacrifice society for benefit of that 5% and allow the 95% to run amok?

    One look at the ghetto in any city in America, or a simple visit to any place in Africa will tell you that niggers belong in chains, for their own good, and the good of society as a whole.

    And by analogy, women would be better off in a more traditional role, locked down as bed slaves / house keepers. The alternative is to let the wanton sluts run amok sewing disease and chaos in their wake. The only reason women get hired in industry is because the company must meet a quota of women in order to avoid legal sanction due to the endemic feminist corruption of society, so women are given jobs they don't deserve just because they happen to have a cunt.

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    Comment by Pantsu Dorobou
    00:16 25/10/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    So group people by their physical strength when it comes to manual labor (though who the fuck works manual labor nowadays anyway?), not gender and you're done. Even if men have a higher capacity for physical strength, it's not like all men embrace it, so treating men differently because of their potential is ridiculous.

    Pasty nerds with zero musclemass that infest sancom couldn't work in construction. A female bodybuilder could lift two of them on her shoulders and run a marathon.

    In terms of intellectual capacity there is no difference between men and women (both men and women have owned the highest IQ record), there's only difference between individuals, so it makes absolutely no sense to treat them differently.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:19 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Dear 10:31. I ask you again: what point exactly are you trying make?

    "Do look at all the facts and tell me how in reality people are really any better then the said 'straw men'"
    That doesn't even make sense. Do you know what a straw man argument is? Take a look:

    "You've proven that time and time again with your unfounded assumption that traditional female role I spoke of is supposed to be 'servile' and basically trying to put words in other people's mouths."
    Please define this female role you're referring to then. As it stands, I'm being left no choice but to assume exactly what I did. See below.

    "Women have different organs, different growth rates, different brain wave usage, different responding stimulus, etc enough in a way that one's approach to female gender is different than that of male gender [...]"
    Again, who/what are you arguing against? I never claimed otherwise, and neither would any reasonable feminist for that matter. I've been arguing the whole time that their different nature will result in women taking feminine approaches to completing their tasks (heck, it's the reason why more and more big businesses are starting to realize that they want women in all their ranks). Since your original comment was made on an article that was about equal pay and opportunities and in positive response to a comment that kind of suggested women should take the subservient roles, I don't see how your argumentation about biological characteristics and gender roles could hint at anything other than the old conservative views. This IS what I wanted you to clear up with 03:38.

    That still leaves the question, why that long rant? Women having different biochemistry that results in uniquely female needs and behavior is universally accepted. I don't know of any group or movement that could have been directed at. What am I supposed to think you were getting at?

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:45 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    02:53 You know, I was going to engage in a discussion but FUCK SanCom and their spam filter. Maybe it'll appear later.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:23 26/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    >>different brain wave usage, different responding stimulus,

    Waiting for cite.
    I'd like to say "waiting for a cite that demonstrates, using these datas, influences in normal life", but I think that's aiming too high.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:31 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    03:38 Do look at all the facts and tell me how in reality people are really any better then the said 'straw men'. Your overestimation of understanding people live under is nothing less than delusional.

    Furthermore, I love how numerous people have responded by assuming I was talking about 'passive' roles as if they are supposed to be 'passive' in modern sense. You were so eager to reach a conclusion and interpretation about my meaning of 'female gender role' that you pretty much tripped over your own feet in assuming I was saying female gender role is subservient, submissive, and passive. Personally, I know some 'housewives' who are vicious and violent enough when necessary to give hardened rapist a run for his balls.

    Too shallow? You've proven that time and time again with your unfounded assumption that traditional female role I spoke of is supposed to be 'servile' and basically trying to put words in other people's mouths.

    Women have different organs, different growth rates, different brain wave usage, different responding stimulus, etc enough in a way that one's approach to female gender is different than that of male gender. Do some research yourself if you want the mountain load of information and countless papers that have been written to illustrate the mental/physiological diametric aspects between female/male. It is the overwhelming tendency of people to denigrate that is the problem, not the role or identity of female gender itself.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:53 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Too shallow. Try to read between the lines. Differences are not really in physical or mental capacity, so much as we are physiologically sufficiently different in function and role as to spawn a degree of different needs and preferences. Men cannot fulfill certain roles as well as women, and vice versa. Each has their unique strength and deficiencies, caused by natural physiological differences. Unless you are advocating abolition of gender itself to great some kind of single-gender society (that just sounds like you are running away from the problem, not fixing them), current feminist thought is not only skewed, it is delusional.

    Men should be men. Women should be women. The real problem arises not from differences, but failing to respect the fact that different roles does not necessarily spawn discrimination other than narrow-mindedness of people who believe world should revolve around themselves and their gender-based inclinations. You are attacking symptoms, not the root cause. And the root cause has little to do with the fact that men and women are different.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:38 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @ 02:53
    Talk about "too shallow". All you've been doing is constructing a massive straw man by going on and on about how women are biologically different and therefore have different needs and exhibit different behavior. Or how being a housewife is also a respectable occupation. Well, DUH! Nothing but hollow phrases. What exactly are you trying to say? What should happen to a woman that majored in electrical engineering with excellent marks and wants equal pay? How does feminine behavior make you unsuited to be a CEO? Why can't a woman be a woman while working as an engineer? Stop writing walls of text with no real content and come clean on this.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:26 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    >>They have many different needs, different ways of reaction, differing preferences simply by the nature of the fact that they are biologically diametric.

    You fail at biology forever, pal.
    Hell, you probably fail even at sociology!

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:49 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    09:45 False. Biological construct can be 'construed' as sociological concept, but that false interpretation in and of itself cannot neutralize the fact that physiological differences exist and are real influences upon how people behave. Even the most feminine-like 'men' are clearly distinguishable from females when certain situations come into play.

    Also, if you really think women and men each don't have their own preferences and relatively separate needs, you are really just ignoring the differences, or trying to make them go away by wishing they are just 'social constructs' (the usual 'society made them that way, it's all SOCIETY's FAULT!!' Bullshit). The moment we are born to the moment we die, there are inherent biological and genetic differences that sets behaviors, needs, and other factors apart enough to the point that we need to classify men and women as separate and distinct entities. Trying to deny this by calling it 'discrimination' and 'unfair' is really just running from a problem.

    But I am sure in today's age where if someone whines enough about 'discrimination' and 'unequal treatment' and gets everyone's ear, your ideas about trying to erase 'discrimination' by destroying difference itself flies easier. After all, it's much easier to blame society, traditions, 'social constructs' as you say, then maybe just maybe the problem lies not with facts but your own limited view of what it means to obtain equality and freedom, and faults that are reinforced by social culture which refuses to discipline self-centered view of the world.

    As for the scientific papers and researches, do yourself a favor and go to sites with papers that have conclusions you don't want to hear about. People like you usually try to laugh at conclusions not to your liking because that only makes sense in your head. Listen to facts before you decide your opinions, because no matter how much you hate the fact that men and women are different, it won't change simply because you scream louder and get a few convincing nods from people with similarly limited visions of equality.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:49 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    No, no. I WAS talking considering the "many" qualifier. As in, you were talking statistically, I believe.

    The point was: there is no proof that women, as a biological group, have (preferentially) "different needs", "ways of reaction" and even "preferences" than men. The best we can do is saying that statistically some areas of the brain have different reactions, statistically, to the same events, between the sexes. I think you could stretch it out a little and talk about how men are PROBABLY more aroused by visuals than women for example, but that's already a stretch, I think. [notice anyway that this is totally unrelated to the fact that in Japan women are particulary salary-discriminated. Hell, it would be a shame even if you'd realy demonstrate being a NEE-an housewife is statiscally more desirable for the female part of the population]
    In fact, I think that IF you could really work an experiment with those ideas (which are undefined and totally unfalsifiable as they're now, but I think you realize it)... I think that even in these hypotetical case you couldn't say that this is "biological reality" as much as it is a social construct. If (wo)men really do have some preferences more than the other group (football over clothes shopping, whatever), that's not gonna tell us they're born that way, not raised. (in fact, clothes shopping, frankly I can't see how the cromosome X would push some people over that more than others, but your guess is as good as mine)

    Sure, you can believe that there are these differences (I'd like to have them just a little more precisely stated, those needs and shit, just to say "well, my guts tell me that COULD be right"). But we're in 2012, personal interpretation has its places and facts and scientific theories have theirs.

    Or... well, if there is just a paper, essay, whatever on this subject, why not posting it here?

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:32 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Qualifier on 'many'. You fail at basic reading comprehension.

    Nice try attempting to portray absolutes in a statement that has none. Explain the 'fail' or STFU

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:42 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    What is so "masculine" about, say, leading a business? Exactly, nothing. Except the way men go about it. Women do aspects of it in a different, "feminine" way, but succeed just as well. There's nothing inherently male or inherently female in most of the professions modern society has to offer, especially the very high paying ones.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:48 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Dunno when my other comment will be freed from that out-of-control spam filter, but in the meantime...

    "There is nothing 'masculine' or 'feminine' about a job or a role so much as HOW they are carried out"

    That is not what you said in your original comment. But you might like to re-read my post:
    "[Their is nothing masculine about e.g. leading a business] Except the way men go about it. Women do aspects of it in a different, "feminine" way, but succeed just as well"

    Well, yeah.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:08 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    11:48 You misunderstand and misinterpreting my differentiating two different things as saying I believe they must be solely dedicated to that single gender. "Better fit" does not equate to "destined for a role ONLY fit for a specific gender".

    Specific roles are not really set in stone, but the methodology and manner in which certain things are carried out are to a degree. Can a man be so nurturing and motherly that he could replace female role? Can a screw driver perform a role just as well as a hammer? Such very exceptional people are in the minority. In a world dominated by male-behavior-oriented behavior, as in that of pro-actively aggressive and dick-waving "I'm gonna fuck the others" attitude (not necessarily a bad thing, competition and fierce struggle can make impossible possible, which is where male aggression and power play excels and achieves better results with smaller time required), female way of conducting business or politics has more hurdle to overcome, more obstacles to defeat. It is not so much as there's something wrong with female gender, as much as world isn't so nice that it would wait around until you are fully ready to throw problems your way. Those roles demand results, and unless you as an individual can produce such results, regardless of gender you are not fit to play that role.

    Question is practicality and aggression, and ability to dominate versus nurture. In the same vein, question is not about whether one role is more subservient or dominant, but personal biases and inherently unfair nature of human impulse to MAKE one subservient to another. You are not doing anyone favors by insinuating 'masculine' roles are better than 'feminine' roles and thus females should strive for greater inclusion in 'masculinity'.

    'Masculinity' as it is currently falsely defined is about domination, rule, and aggression. This is fundamentally childish and one sided view of what it means to be a man. Feminine role does not have to be subservient or passive, and can also possess same strength and do-not-fuck-with attitude as that of 'masculine' culture. The only difference is that men are more of 'go-getters' versus 'nurture and refine' of females. The fact that one is deemed less than another is the product of human bias, not the problem of difference itself which once again, is a false comparison between two non-comparable aspects of human genders.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:37 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Where the hell did you reach specific professions from what I was saying? For that matter, when did I ever say 'traditional female role' was or is anything like how confused modern driftwoods like yourself understand them as?

    There is nothing 'masculine' or 'feminine' about a job or a role so much as HOW they are carried out. When I speak of 'traditional roles', I speak of the approach itself as the main point, not the job. However, you have once again demonstrated you are too busy making groundless assumptions that fit your own ideas in your head about other people rather than actually take time to read the context and meaning behind the said words.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:05 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    11:48 I don't think we have anything to argue about anymore. My other comments are still sitting in the filter, but from that point on it'll be down to arguing semantics mostly. Semantics you got most definitely wrong though. My insistence on professions and the classical sociological use of the term "roles" stems from the way your original comment was formulated, and the context it appeared in.

    Speaking of context, all the professions that came up and that seem to favor typical male behavior patterns have very successful women pursuing them in whatever style in a manner efficient enough to come on top of men who went for the same position. Leaving aside whether they are some kind of exception or not, they still suffer the pay gap to varying degrees, especially in Japan. This is what the article was mostly about, this is what modern feminist lobbying is about, and no modern feminist has a view on gender "roles" different from yours. Actually it's common sense among most people. So who or what was that original rant even directed at? It just had to end up being misinterpreted like that.

    Your characterization of what exactly constitutes the masculine and feminine role needs some refinement, but this I won't be pursuing any further.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:10 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    After reading your post I had to get up find some paper and a pen. Physically write your post down. Cause copy and paste to MS word doesn't do you justice. Respect; You've earned it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:29 24/10/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Considering that the author of that wall of shallow phrases and women-into-the-kitchen propaganda apparently doesn't even know what a logical fallacy is, this would make you incredibly dumb or at least incredibly ignorant.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:02 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @23:29 I don't know how I can be 'dumb' or 'ignorant' for my opinion. For me liking what he had to say. All I can say is I liked it you didn't and that your way of thinking calling me dumb for my opinion is ignorant. So let's keep the name calling to ourselves here because we're all adults.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:44 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @07:02 Wow, you're rather defensive about this. I didn't expect that. Okay, sorry for the name calling.

    Let's settle for this then: a text that uses the term logical fallacy in completely wrong way and, what's worse, tries to make an argument out of it (among many other purely objective shortcomings), might not be that wise a target for such euphoric levels of praise.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:40 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    23:29 Rather than throwing names, why not ask if the feminists themselves are deluding they are any different than being 'ignorant' and 'shallow'? How is one supposed to accurately describe something other than tell it like how it is?

    Or has telling it as it is become taboo when it offends your soft, delicate sensibilities based on nothing but personal feelings?

    People are never as sophisticated or well-thought out as they like to believe themselves as. What matters the most is whether they can face the facts and act accordingly, or react like you and throw names instead of owning up to their shortcomings.

    Women's role is just as respectable as that of men, but if feminists reject such because they cannot bear the taunts and derision of people who by the nature of gender difference cannot fully appreciate the importance of female gender role, then at least don't denigrate yourself and your gender just to get even with the male society.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:37 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    If this was RL, i would shout "hear, hear" and raise a toast.

    As it is, i can only say; Well put sir. You have my rspect.

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    Comment by Lonesnipa
    21:44 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I like treating people like people. Or at least I aspire to I don't do that great all the time, but I'm the sort of person who goes out of their way to open doors for people, collect shopping carts that people leave in the middle of parking spaces, things like that.

    On another note, are people sure womens rights are all that fantastic in Japan? I mean yea, they have a lot of things going for them, but between the gropers, police not being prosecuted for doing things to women like groping, actually all I can think of is groping. You certainly hear a lot about that sort of thing. Iunno I really know very little about that here. But I will totally admit as much.

    God I have no idea what my point was now >.> I've been awake too long lol. Bet I see this tomorrow and wonder what caused this.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:23 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    You good sir or madam has just EARNED my respect with that post! Thank you very much for stating what i always thought so very well.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:01 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Are you or your lecturer American? I know you're talking about feminism, but a lot of Americans seem to be proud of the "freedoms" they have, because they seemingly think a majority of the world (even the developed world) lacks them, with no real basis for this thought.

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    Comment by bedlam11
    06:17 26/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    No basis? People get arrested in the UK over mean facebook posts and wearing anti-police shirts. Also probably half of all anime/manga in existence are technically illegal there. Nude scene in Evangelion = child porn.

    In America you have to seriously threaten violence or knowingly spread malicious rumors to be arrested over speech or art. Most developed countries have little if any respect for freedom of speech. I'm not sure why you feel the need to pretend that they do.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:00 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Freedom" comes in many forms, but American version is something of a raw, pure form that is capable of going in either extremes, both good and bad. In that sense, yes, world lacks them.

    Many times, it takes looking at extreme failure to achieve extreme success. American one is basically 'sink or swim' type of thing. There is comparatively little historical or traditional tethers to restrain oneself, but without creating your own success and standards, you are destined to stay mediocre. In essence, American society offers opportunity unrestrained by the past in a relative sense, and forces an individual to fully face his/her reality without social forces sheltering them from consequences of their actions, compared to other countries. You can just as easily ostracize yourself to federal penitentiary as climbing to the top of business world.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:49 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Asking for equal pay for the same work isn't looking down on women.

    Feminism may set women apart, but egalitarianism does not. When a person, male or female, mistreats another due to gender, asking for that to stop is not wrong.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:46 26/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Asking for 'equality' when women are the ones with a privileged status due to their control over sex is laughable. Their can only be true equality when men and women cease to be men and women, and all humans are simply humans. This can only happen if humans cease existing as organic life and become some kind of synthetics, instead of the meat bags that we are.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:10 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Feminism IS egalitarianism, regardless of what the media tries to convince you of.

    And radical feminism is just as batshit as radical anything else, including radical egalitarianism.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:57 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sorry, but no. Feminists try to claim the egalitarian high road, but they're deluding themselves.

    Males in feminist circles are mistrusted second-class citizens.

    American feminism is primarily an upper middle class white women's movement that doesn't address the issues of minorities. Black women call their movement "womanist" to distinguish themselves from feminists.

    No feminism is *NOT* egalitarian.

    I'm sure you realize that fact since, in your second statement, you distinguish "radical feminism" from "radical egalitarianism".

    If the guano fits....

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:50 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Agreed, this anon speaks the truth.

    " Feminism is fundamentally flawed because it's about setting females apart from males whilst demanding they be treated the same."

    I want to throw in a few jokes, but I wont because, again, this anon really knows what he is talking about and resumes it perfectly in the above.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:02 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I do not know what sort of freedom the Americans have. Just that some do not have the freedom not to be shot in a school shooting spree.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:05 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    That ranking is based on objective criteria (mostly economic) such as wage gap for the same job, and promotion rate. Things like who salarymen turn over their check on payday isn't taken into account.

    Japan is very much a horrible country to live in if you're a woman trying to build a career.

    If you're looking to marry into money, it's probably not much better - too much competition and not many targets.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:29 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh my God... Someone gets it! And on SanCom of all places!

    Well said, man.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:05 24/10/2012 # ! Drivel (-0.7)

    You're so fucking stupid that don't even know what feminism means. It's about equality you dumbfuck.

    About everything else you wrote in your post you look like you don't know the world you live in. Aside another Japan worshipper.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:38 24/10/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Oh god, another American.

    Murrricaaa'!!! Land of the Free!

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    20:20 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)


    Comment by Anonymous
    22:57 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Muricca doesn't discriminate Spanish or not you can still be bad touched.

    Comment by Anonymous

    I'm spanish lolol.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:44 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    When feminism is about equality, why did feminists campaign for default mother custody, why do they nothing about the female only carriages in japan and why do they never tackle men's issues?

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:16 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I have yet to see actual efforts by feminists to help men in areas where they are disadvantages. That's why feminism=movement for equality is an insufficient and false statement.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:49 26/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Female sex workers make 100000 times what their male counterparts make. Women are treated especially nice by men, compared to how men treat other men. Look at the statistics of male on male violence vs. male on female violence. Where are the demands for equality? We need to be teaching boys that if a girl pisses them off to punch her in the face and kick her in the teeth when she's down, the same as if she were a boy.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:33 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Cuz there are numbskulls everywhere. Pedo priests, corrupt policemen, honest politicians... you know.

    Generalizing makes you dumb.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:25 24/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Exactly, female only carriages is segregation, oppression, and sexism!

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:12 25/10/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    There's no use. Haven't you noticed that the media already turned the meaning of the word around because while males needed a socially acceptable 'enemy'?

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