Shiga Suicide Teachers: “We Are The Real Victims Here”

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The scandal surrounding the 13-year-old Shiga prefecture schoolboy who was only able to end his bullying by leaping from his apartment block continues to deepen, with teachers apparently still of the opinion that bullying had nothing to do with his death and that they are being unfairly scapegoated for not doing anything at all to help him.

According to emails reportedly sent by the city’s top teaching official, the real victims of the scandal are the poor teachers:

“If the mass media weren’t involved, this would be nothing at all.”

“The media are just stirring things up too much.”

“We’re victims as well here.”

“Why’d they have to get the police involved now of all times?”

“Nobody even recognises the bullying caused his suicide in any case, so the reporting is all wrong.”

The bullying scandal has continued to unfold with yet more details of his bullying emerging, including the fact the bullies apparently forced their way into his bedroom and stole his wallet and that one of their number was transferred to another school where he continued to bully other pupils, as well as all manner of efforts on the part of the teachers and parents of the bullies to deflect the blame back onto the dead victim.

Even the latest prime minister has chipped in with the following:

“I have a message for any child being bullied – you’re not alone, there is certainly someone out there who will look out for you. It doesn’t matter who, just seek help.”

However, it did not take long for critics to point out the boy repeatedly sought help from teachers, parents and police, none of whom actually bothered to do anything to prevent him being hounded into suicide by his classmates.

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  • i would probably find this shit funny if it didnt tick every rage box i had, he is the victim?? dude if i had anything to say about it YOU WOULD BE A FUCKING VICTIM!!! this guy should not have a job in caring for students if he feels that the death of one of his students due to his school’s fuck up isn’t his fault and that he is being unfairly scapegoated…i mean seriously what the fuck is wrong with society these days that people can say that.

  • “If the mass media weren’t involved, this would be nothing at all.”

    Yeah, no shit.

    If I wasn’t so sickened by the complete disregard for a student’s feelings/wellbeing/safety/dignity/human-fucking-rights, I would probabily have a good laugh at this idiotic asshole’s stupidity.

    Sorry. Had to rant.

  • Anonymous says:

    What about the fuckstick fags who did the bullying? Anyone know if they are being “victims” of the anons of Japan’s internet? I don’t care if it’s considered “cyberbullying”; a kid is dead because of the shitfucks. They forfeit any claim of being a legit victim. I hope they get raped in a prison somewhere.

  • Anonymous says:

    Feh. Mollycoddling bullies needs to stop. If the cops and school staff are afraid of legal repercussions, guess that’s in invitation for some masked vigilantism for asswhuppings to be dealed out.

  • Anonymous says:

    Is it just me or does Japanese Teachers and Education Committee seem way more corrupt than the Japanese Politicians.

    Leave it to Japan to have Teachers being worse than police and politicians.

  • Lol, that’s society today. I tried to commit suicide twice and the therapists sent me to a psychiatric hospital to ‘help’ me. There was no help, all they did was sit around and give out colouring sheets and small activities meant for children. People don’t want to get involved in other’s problems, they don’t want to do anything to help anyone.

  • Anonymous says:

    “If the mass media weren’t involved, this would be nothing at all.”

    “The media are just stirring things up too much.”

    “We’re victims as well here.”

    “Why’d they have to get the police involved now of all times?”

    “Nobody even recognises the bullying caused his suicide in any case, so the reporting is all wrong.”

    Nigga, you just went full retard.

  • This is disgusting. Even a “this is regrettable” apology would be better than this. For them to point the blame back onto the actual victim, and shield themselves and the bullies is inexcusable. I seriously hope they are penalized in some way at the end of all this.

  • Anonymous says:

    Imagine if the yakuzas just randomly picked someone and started hounding him not for any legal reasons like pursuing money debts.

    “If the mass media weren’t involved, this would be nothing at all.”
    “The media are just stirring things up too much.”
    “We police are victims as well here.”
    “Why’d they have to get the internal police review involved now of all times?”
    “Nobody even recognises the Yakuza caused his suicide in any case, so the reporting is all wrong.”

    The excuses sound so completely wrong.

  • Anonymous says:

    They are only following the guideline that their fellow Japanese counterparts at TEPCO wrote regarding their handling of the nuclear accident at Fukushima.

    Rule #1 is : Place all the blame on someone or something else and say “Don’t blame us. We are the victims here.”

    You know, its the same playbook that Obama has been using for the past four years or so here in the USA.

  • This is amazing. I’ve never seen a school and the local town government go to such lengths to have such a large cover up even with all the information out. And for people are going to be dumbasses and respond other countries cause large coverups too, I’m not referring to top secret information or government security. This is matter over a school. No local town government would cooperate to this extent to cover up a school scandal even after all the information that has been leaked. It’s not worth the time to put that much effort into a coverup or denial when there would be more serious things to keep under wraps. This whole school incident and the denial of the bullying is just horrendous. It’s a petty worry over trying to make schools look perfect when in fact they aren’t. Bullying happens, you can’t stomp it out completely and it’s better to admit it’s there and take care of the problem at it’s root before it gets worse than denying the existence. God, how do you describe japan sometimes…oh I don’t know, maybe vain. It’s like their culture has developed this practice of vanity on some desperate attempt to appeal to the outside world. Now I’m not saying the whole of Japan is this way, but there are areas that pop up all over Japan, acting in this fashion.

  • Anonymous says:

    This is an example of “saving face” gone bad. I guess some believe it is better to continue a self centered immoral course of action rather than acknowledge publicly that is what they have been doing. Some self obsessed cowards have no concept of making apologies.

  • I also have a message for any bullied kid. Or rather, an instruction of sorts:

    1. Approach the one who bullies you the most, prefferably while he’s sitting behind his desk, so his head would be closer to your leg.
    2. Raise your foot and apply it to his nose with the most force and pressure you can possibly squeze out of yourself. Don’t hold back, try to crush his skull, and render him uncounscious.
    3. Endure severe beating from his comrades, get ready for some broken bones and a lot of pain. Don’t forget to cover your head.
    4. Spent some time in the hospital. When police comes, explain the situation to them, that you actually were on the verge of suicide.
    5. When police would not give a fuck and charge you with labor, fine, or even some prison time, just accept it. However try your best to convey matters to the jury, if given chance.
    6. Work your ass off to serve your sentence, but BE GLAD YOU’RE FUCKING ALIVE, you stupid piece of shit, AND be glad that things will be different from that point, because you drew some attention to yourself, you have much better chances to dop something about bullies in the future.

  • Anonymous says:

    Idiots act like kids have never been bullied before in human history. It has always gone on. The difference is kids are taught they can’t fight back and crack under the pressure. There’s nothing wrong with those teachers.

  • Anonymous says:

    W-O-W.
    Taking the definition of cowardness to a whole new level……

    What next? Asking money from the poor boys family or apologies from them?

    Nobody helped the poor guy when he asked for it, fucking hypocrits politicians and teachers.

  • Anonymous says:

    I don’t how can some people be so stupid. Someone got injured because they probably turned a blind eye and the first thing that comes to mind is that they were the victims in this story?! Maybe they should get bullied to see how that compares to media pressure. -_-

  • Anonymous says:

    Hahaha!
    “That statement” sounds really wrong in any way you look at it!
    Where lives are lost, the police should always be involved!
    They sound like a bunch o criminals…
    …Wait! They are criminals! Hahaha!

  • “teachers apparently still of the opinion that bullying had nothing to do with his death and that they are being unfairly scapegoated for not doing anything at all to help him”

    pulease… parents are told kids are supposed to be safe in schools, not that teachers will never help or protect your kids from bullies..

    sounds like some teachers are turning into “Jobs Worth” teachers -.-

  • Anonymous says:

    You know what suprised me the most?

    That the bullied children dont snap and start a killing spree with a knife or something. I guess the poor kids are to traumatised to do something like in the US. (yeah I know that in Japan guns are hard to get but molotov cocktails can easily made.)

    If I was one of those vicitms I would take those damn teachers and bullies down with me in a blaze of glory.

    • Anonymous says:

      It takes a psychopath to snap and start stabbing people to death. Normal people have too many reservations to go on a killing spree if untrained.

      It looks easy from the side, but killing even the most deranged criminal isn’t as easy as you think.

  • Anonymous says:

    Sounds like something I would hear from a Chinese school. No offense to fellow Chinese in this website. Trust me, I studied in some and faced the same exact answers from abusive teachers.

    It’s a giveaway that they really are careless bastards.

  • Anonymous says:

    Reminds me of South Park and how close to the truth they were. Now the teachers are being bullied by the media and all its viewers. How long before they commit suicide? Then who wins? Who bullies the media?

  • Anonymous says:

    Proper scum. Even in death they won’t stop bullying and blaming him. No doubt they’re at his grave right now throwing eggs or something and shouting abuse. Total and utter trash.

  • Anonymous says:

    Fuck you Sancom!
    I don’t see them say “we are the real victims.”
    I only see them say “we are victims aswell.”

    don’t make false statements.

    Ps. the teachers should commit suicide aswell.
    i’m not in anyway on their side.

  • Anonymous says:

    THIS IS JAPANS TRUE COLORS!
    THEY ACT FAKE ALL THE TIME
    THEY ARE SELFISH EMOTIONLESS PEOPLE
    THEY RATHER LOCK ADULT WOMEN UP AND FAP TO LOLI LEGALLY ON TV

    FUCK YOU JAPAN. Sick of fucked up Japanese logic.

  • Anonymous says:

    I wonder what these dipshit teachers would think about the 50 million dollar fine that was just levied on Penn State for ignoring child abuse.

    They should be glad they don’t live in middle ‘merica. They’d be poor, jailed, raped in prison, and soon dead.

    NO quarter for people who allow that shit. cough cough artefact cough

  • Anonymous says:

    It’s true on both sides.

    Media is stirring shit up cause the media loves scandals like this. Brings in the ratings.

    But on the other hand the media is doing a good job at exposing the lies.

    Make no mistake however, the media did not expose the school for the sake of the kid that got killed. They’re only doing it cause it’s a juicy story that will bring them viewers.

  • Anonymous says:

    It is a teacher’s duty to protect bullied children and make bullies understand that their actions will NOT be tolerated.
    If you ignore bullying, if you even are lucky enough not to have people suicide you will have children who will grow up to be horrible adults cause they feel they can get away with tormenting others for their enjoyment

    Bullies need to be CULLED in every school in the planet for the benefit of the innocent children and the bullies themselves in long term

    • Anonymous says:

      Well Ootsu have alot of Korean descends and the names of the some of the boys hint that they could be Korean descendants. I know Kimura is one of the names Koreans like to use.

      So it is possible that it’s Koreans bullying the Japan kid, which most Koreans will justify it anyway.

  • Anonymous says:

    …Did the teachers themselves actually say things like that, or is some high-level school official making up stupid crap on their behalf? Because that makes a bit of difference.

    Still, part of the problem is that Japanese culture in general tends to discourage seeking help or making a big fuss about anything. This is basically about teaching people to deal with problems on their own while not inconveniencing others. While this is often a good way to handle minor things, when things get really bad it just makes everything worse.

  • A perfect example of that old adage: “You’re just adding oil to the flames.”

    Had they stayed quiet without making lame rebuttals and excuses, I bet the media would’ve grilled them less, not to mention other self-claimed crusaders…

    • Anonymous says:

      Keyboard warrior or not…

      If I see one of them walking alone in some alley, I’ll be sure to pack a steel pipe or two and a mask, and beat the fuck out of him.

      I mean, I may be just a punk but I have conscience that prevents me from venting to just about anyone. However, I sure won’t be burdened by conscience to smack that useless jaw off his face.

  • Anonymous says:

    I am wondering, what is the other side to this story?
    I get the kid gets bullied and commits suicide thing, just what were the circumstances around it, how did the kid approach for help, who did he ask and what did they actually do, what is the administration doing, what is the atmosphere there?
    Cause seriously, if you saw a kid getting bullied I believe you will just keep walking and think “it’s just kids being kids”, “someone else will deal with it”, “its the kid’s fault”, “the kid needs to learn to stand up for himself”, or any other reason.

    Teachers on the other hand, are they qualified or feel confident enough to assist in the situation? Cause I doubt there is a university course on “how to deal with bullying”, cause if you approach the situation incorrectly it is more likely to backfire and get worse then anything else. And if students know your looking they would act nice in front of you and bully the kid behind your back. Just like how parents think “my kid is a good kid, he’ll never bully anyone”.

    Oh, and yes fault lies in everyone and the broken system called public education,society,and human nature.

    • Anonymous says:

      This is why we should have hidden security cameras. A kid gets an infraction(bullying), give him detention the first time. If he does it again, suspend him/her. If he/she does a third time, expel him/her.

      • Anonymous says:

        Will not happen. In Japan, through middle school (9th grade) is considered compulsory education. To punish a student through such as detention, or to prevent them from going to school as through suspension is considered a violation of their rights, which is how teachers seem impotent when students behave in even criminal fashion. I experienced this firsthand teaching public school. Even when students bullied new teachers to the point of tears, teachers could not break up groups of instigators, send them out of class so the others could learn in quiet, etc. The biggest punishment was a lecture or talking to parents who did nothing. This is the phenomenon called classroom breakdown. Also in Japan, a child under 14 cannot be held criminally liable, even for murder, and under 16, they cannot go to jail. The reason students and parents got so much power is because authority was removed from the schools, primarily because of the war, when schools were complicit n promoting government authority.

    • Anonymous says:

      I’m not sure about how it is in Japan but I think the school is responsible to what happens to their students so if in a class in the laboratory some kid get hurt by an accident the teacher is responsible for that because he should be supervising his students so they don’t hurt themselves or each other. A more clear way to explain would be in a fight. If two kids are fighting you might see it as just kids being kids but the school staff should stop the fight, allow them to fight make them responsible for all the damages caused by it. What the school did here was the equivalent of a boy being beaten to death by a group of other students and the school did nothing while the boy begged for help, it is just that bulling to death is not that visible to the outsiders.

  • I’m astonished by the speech of these supposed teachers. Don’t they know they are responsible of their students well being in the school?
    These teachers are indeed victims, victims of being retarded and lazy. They should take the responsibility of their lack of action.
    Bullies should be identified and shown at the television, so that their fall in shame for their disgraceful actions.

  • Anonymous says:

    I want to just correct the exaggerated quote used in the title.
    It shouldn’t be: “We Are The Real Victims Here”
    It should be: “We’re victims as well here.”
    Two completely different meanings, just had to get that out.

    • Anonymous says:

      you can argue semantics about it all you like, the main point remains unchanged. their uselessness allowed the kid’s situation to reach the point where death was the only solution he could come up with and now they’re acting like they’re victims when they aren’t.

      • Anonymous says:

        It’s not their uselessness since they participated in the bullying as well. They were and are completely conscious of what they did so it wasn’t a lack of usefulness but rather a will of doing evil actions to an innocent individual, which, in this case, was at their positive supervision (at least, theoretically, unfortunately) whilst at school.

  • Anonymous says:

    All of these teachers need to be fired immediately. If they are still trying to bullshit that bullying had nothing to do with this boys death? They are not deserving of their positions.

  • True but the Japanese case is worse. If comments like these were mentioned after all this evidence was stated there would be tons of arrests if it was in a different country than Japan. All countries have cover ups, but after something has been uncovered, usually further denial gets you immediate punishment in other countries, Japan doesn’t seem to be doing its job here. I mean come on the head teacher of the city which is not affiliated with the school is even defending the bullies and the teachers of the school. Fuck this. This is horrible.

  • I’m hopping on a plane, going to Shiga and punching every one of those mother fuckers in the throat. How dare they try to victimize themselves. It’s their fault this poor kid had to turn to something so drastic and it pisses me off to even think these miserable ingrates had the gall to come out and GOD DAMN IT.

    I could knock out super man I’m so pissed right now.

  • The teachers are claiming they were victims!? I guess this means they’ve got evidence that they were bullied into not doing anything?
    Wonder how long before the police start claiming they were bullied into inaction too, since they also didn’t do anything.
    One of the bullies was sent to another school where he continued to bully multiple students and still nobody could do anything!?
    Are these bullies and their parents running around Shiga Prefecture bitch-slapping everyone? They must all be members of the Yakuza, the Tong, the Mafia, the Free Masons, the Eastern Star, the Klan, the Skinheads, the Bloods, the Crips, and every other crime syndicate, gang, and secret brotherhood in the whole world with the way they seem to be able to do what they please with no shame and total impunity.

    • Anonymous says:

      But, hopefully, that they are not trying to deny they were taking part in the bullying means something. Perhaps too obvious of a lost cause, but I feel they might have had reservations when it took place and just mindlessly went with the flow. The extent of their awareness might be an issue here, but in any case it was nonzero and they implicitly admit that here as well. My thoughts are they are now feeling worse off than other parties that took part actively or through neglect, and would welcome their involvement being scrutinized as closely.

    • Anonymous says:

      But, hopefully, that they are not trying to deny they were taking part in the bullying means something. Perhaps too much of a lost cause, but I feel they might have had reservations when it took place, but marginally went with the flow. The extent of their awareness might be an issue here, but in any case it was nonzero and they implicitly admit that here as well. My thoughts are they are now feeling worse off than other parties that took part actively or through neglect.

  • “If the mass media weren’t involved, this would be nothing at all.”
    “The media are just stirring things up too much.”
    “We’re victims as well here.”
    Screw these teachers, still arrogant to the end and saying that they did nothing wrong. If the media wasn’t involved, you assholes would just covered this whole shitstain up, fully knowing you could’ve done something about this mess.
    These worthless trash should suffer a Chinese-styled death. Watermelons, refrigerators, drowning, whatever.
    I hope they rot in hell and deepest condolences to the boy’s family.

  • Anonymous says:

    Damn. This guy is fucking irresponsible. He is the victim? Yeah right. And what is wrong with police and the media involved? You don’t have to be afraid if it is really not your fault.

    This city’s top teaching official need to be kicked on the nut.

  • Anonymous says:

    The fucking fuck!? Selfish bitch ass teachers! Fucking hate those waste of space fucktards that think his suicide had nothing to do with them!? He came to you and begged for help and you brushed his cries aside! I hope they burn in hell for all eternity, being tortured FAR worse than the poor boy
    Had to endure!

    Pieces of shit!

  • Anonymous says:

    For every bully and teacher to damn lazy to do their jobs I wish for them a lifetime suffering. Maybe then they’ll understand how that kid felt.

    And for those idiots who dare to claim that they are the “real victims”, may their teeth be thoroughly kicked in the next time they spout this bullshit.

      • Anonymous says:

        I agree with Anon@14:14.

        Police’s jobs are deterrent with their presence and act after crimes happened. If you expect the police need to be on their toe to catch every criminals before the actual crime happened, this is not Minority Report.

        However, what the police can do is to actively be part of the community, instead of holed up in a community of their own that may flex their power without restraints.
        They together with educators along with everybody else should be the show of good examplaries for the impressionable youths.

        Then again, that’s just my hopeful wish in this day and age.

      • Anonymous says:

        Sorry my friend, I have to feed you, even though you are a troll. Teachers’ jobs are the education, safety and welfare of their students. If they can’t handle that then those fucktards should just quit and get the fuck out of the education system, it’s a miracle they got their jobs in the first place.

        • Anonymous says:

          Children are the future.

          Give the molding of future to assholes, and see what happens.

          Oh, wait, they’ve already done that. Look at where Japan is now, and where it seems to be quite clearly headed. Look at the frequency of these sorts of events.

          You, good sir, are a mentally deficient fucktart of the highest order if you believe that a teacher’s job is only “to teach”.

        • Anonymous says:

          Ha, I’m a troll. Well, pardon for seeing reality as what it is.

          A teacher’s job is to teach and that’s it. The safety and welfare of students is the school’s responsibility, not the teachers (and limited to school grounds).

          Also, last I checked, a Teacher’s job does not require him to be a saint. In other words, one can be a morally messed up individual but that doesn’t mean he is a bad teacher.

        • Anonymous says:

          I don’t think you’re getting it; this WAS on school grounds, which means that yes, ALL of the teachers who abated the bullying are responsible, as is the Principal. He sought help repeatedly, from everyone, but no one came to his side. At all.

          They’re all at fault. And actually, yes, teachers jobs are thusly:

          To teach students, according to policy, as well as care for the welfare and security of their wards during school-time. This was during school time. Therefore, they ARE responsible for it.

          After school-time, technically it falls under school grounds until the student is at his or her’s home, apartment complex, or shanty, wherever they may live. Then it is no longer the school’s responsibility.

          You aren’t seeing reality. You’re seeing your own version of reality that is incorrect from company policy as well as reality. Now, the Japanese teachers are by no means saintly; to even pretend they are is to ignore reality.

          They are still however responsible for their wellbeing, which in some cases, is subjective. Legally, they are obligated to make sure the children are not dead while on school grounds. This is obviously not terribly enforceable, as children die on school grounds a lot. You can’t help that, sometimes shit happens.

          They’re still legally responsible for their general safety, moreso when a child comes to them seeking help because of bullying. Whether they respond to it or not is irrelevant; legally, they’re still responsible. Japan’s legal system might be different, but elsewhere, this is generally what it entails.

          A teacher’s job, then, while school is in session to: teach responsibly, adequately and within company policy, to ensure the safety and welfare of his or her children, and to watch over and make sure explicit school rules are not broken, such as dress codes, smoking, etc.

          They don’t have to be saints, no, but legally speaking, welfare and safety is one of their jobs. You’re taking the ‘teaching’ part quite a bit too literally; to get the truth, you have to actually read sometime.

      • Anonymous says:

        Teachers and various other school staff are responsible not only for education, but also the well being of the children they teach, as they are in the care of the school from when they arrive until they’re dismissed. It IS their job to maintain that well being while the children are at school. A teacher failing to offer aid to a child in trouble is failing to perform the duties they’ve taken on by entering the profession.

      • Anonymous says:

        It is the teachers responsibility to step in and do what they can to stop the bullying, be it separating the kids/punishments (low end), calling the parents and having them do something about their fucktard children, or calling the police and having them do something about it (assault — high end). Being a teacher carries more responsibilities with the job title than just standing in front of the class reading from a book and handing out tests.

        In this case, the teachers should’ve backed the bullied kid and if getting the police involved didn’t help (as it seems it wouldn’t have), they should’ve sided with the parents and shown light on the polices misdoings as well.

        Schools are responsible for a childs health and well-being while the children are under their supervision, and the adults involved neglected their responsibilities and as a result, a child died.

        EVERYBODY that had a hand in this happening should be punished for their inaction and should be used as an example as to what will happen to anybody that sits back and does nothing to stop similar cases in the future.

    • Anonymous says:

      Not exactly. The school is, not the teachers. A teacher’s job is to teach, nothing more. Whether one wants to help or not depends entirely on his own moral.

      In this case, the teachers are all morally retarded individuals but that doesn’t mean they’re bad teachers (unless their teaching sucks as well).

      • Anonymous says:

        Incorrect. Teachers are responsible, as they are SCHOOL STAFF, therefore they fall under the school’s jurisdiction and are responsible for the well-being of students, as well as their safety. It might be different in Japan, but for the most part everywhere else, this is what they do. They’re their to teach mostly, but the secondary part of their job is to care for their well-being and safety.

  • Anonymous says:

    Ah well. Apparently bullying is insignificant to the lives of the victims, so why do you care if you’re being bullied. Play along. Let’s see if you don’t feel like killing yourself once the internet is through with you.

    • Anonymous says:

      Good mind excercise, but nothing to act upon in practice. Because it might be logical from the point of view of the teachers as presented here, but their opinion on the matter relevant is wrong. So that would mean following a wrong principle.

    • Anonymous says:

      This would seem a logical consequence if one embraced the point of view of the teachers as stated here. But we all know it is not really justifiable, so acting upon a wrong premise is still wrong. Yet, as a mind excercise, this is a fitting remark.

      One would like to think that since the teachers don’t try to play down their role in the bullying, they might have had reservations when they went with the flow and they feel tricked now. But as they still depend on the school, their line of defense probably involves their employers’ opinion, and it’s quite probable they’ll feel shafted again if they stick to it.

    • Anonymous says:

      Interesting… People should get the personal info of the school staff and cops and bully them with no end. They are trying to keep their image so people should attack it with bad propaganda making it much worse than if they had admited their fault.

  • When it comes to anything bullying we are not that much better.

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/03/01/harvey-weinstein-fights-r-rating-for-bully-documentary-aimed-at-young-teens/

    Over 150K in petitions to prevent the Documentary Bully from being RATED R. So even the US tries to hide Bullying by making it rated higher than PG-13 trying to hide what really goes on out there. It seems all nations want to hide the truth about bullying and how it causes suicides and worst.