A leaked document purporting to show Microsoft’s plans for the Xbox 720 has been circulating widely, with plenty of attention being attracted by its low price and even lower specs.

According to the leaked document, apparently an internal company presentation circulated in 2010, the Xbox 720 would:

Have a Blu-ray drive

Have various hardware options including SSD, HDD, Wifi, Wimax, etc.

Be 6 to 8 times more powerful than the 360

Have 360 compatibility

Incorporate “Kinect 2”

Have full native 3D support

Be accompanied by the 2014 release of “Kinect Glasses”

Be priced at $299, for release in 2013

Sell 100 million units


The document’s provenance and authenticity is of course unknown, but the fact that the original 56-page PDF file it came as was taken down only hours after it went up at the request of a legal firm with ties to Microsoft may be telling.

However, as the document dates from 2010, even should it be authentic it is possible significant changes could have been made to their plans in the interim.

Microsoft itself has not so far publicly released any meaningful information about its plans for an Xbox successor console.

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    Avatar of カンチ
    Comment by カンチ
    13:18 17/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.7)

    Fake or not $300 is a pretty ok price.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:14 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Yeah, I'm surprised if that was the real price.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:53 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I highly doubt everything listed here. 6-8 times more powerful? Like microsoft wouldn't know exactly how much more powerful it was if it was going to be released next year.

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    Comment by Sylar
    21:27 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    the document dates from 2010

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:58 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    yep, if this was true, this might the first console i buy. i highly doubt the price though.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:25 18/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm sure they made it cheap so it's easier to get a newer console when your current console breaks >.>

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:33 18/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Backwards compatible...sigh >_>

    we're talking about Microsoft here, they'd still wanna make money of their old console, so this is impossible.

    The new Xbox is NOT called 720, but "Durango" this is only a codename though
    It is unknown if it will be the official name.

    They're even making a lock on the discs now, so from now on you can ONLY play your games on your own console.
    Which is fucking stupid, but physical distribution is in it's twilight years anyway.

    The only thing in this article that is spot on, is the buildt in Kinect.

    And no, it won't be 300$.. this whole article is fake and gay.

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    Comment by cats2
    12:56 17/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.7)

    So it's a PS3 basically, lol..

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:27 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    I wouldn't be surprised actually if the PS4 ended up being close in "power" to the PS3, but just significantly easier to program for than the current version is. The PS3 is basically a super computer in a box, and in fact many companies bought them to do high level processing back when there was the option to run alternate operating systems on them.

    For that game's side, that's not a particularly good thing, as the type of programming for the PS3 doesn't line up particularly well with porting to XBox 360 in a timely fashion. So despite the PS3 being ridiculously powerful, most of the titles this gen have been developed for 360 as the lead platform and then poorly ported over to the PS3. Note that games that were developed first on PS3 like Final Fantasy XIII tend to look significantly worse on the 360. Quality compromises had to be made all over the game to get it running on the 360 at a decent frame rate and both the textures and FMVs in the game were subpar, either due to space restrictions on the DVD or the amount of shared memory available to process them (likely disc space for the FMVs, memory for the textures). So an easier to program for while being equally powerful (with all the recent port and network upgrades, like 802.11n and USB 3) system might be a win for Sony after having such a tough sell this generation.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:58 18/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    The PS3's computing capabilities are trash by today's standards. A modern $150 GPU can run circles around the entire PS3 at fraction of the power consumption.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:52 18/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I never said the GPU was good. I said the CELL architecture was hard to program games for, but it was incredibly appealing to doing data work with.

    Let's be honest here, the new systems aren't going to support 4k resolution graphics. They'll just both end up finally supporting true 1080p, likely with decent filtering. Both of them struggled with their own issues this generation, Microsoft on pushing enough power through their system's bottlenecks and Sony getting developers to learn to program for their system well enough to make decent looking games. I suspect the next system from both are going to more attempt to solve those problems than to make any insane power leaps. Bet on 2010 or 2011 technology under the hood when these things finally launch in 2013/2014, just like the Wii U's GPU appears to be a chipset from 2006.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:56 18/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Finally someone with enough knowledge to know these "Behemoths" will just be archaic tech, but made to be super efficient. It all comes down to price.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:30 18/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Dude you forgot to mention a few things.

    No.1 why the PS3 failed the price, $800 AUS in those days and now $299 AUS?

    That's pretty much fail adapting the same techniques as before was Ok when the Ps2 was released but in this generation both were well released before

    Mo.2 So hard to program on. This is proven by many factors but the evidence lays in FFXIII and FXIII-2 both were released way after their predicted rate.

    And to response "Quality compromises had to be made all over the game to get it running on the 360 at a decent frame rate and both the textures and FMVs in the game were subpar, either due to space" It was evident that Xbox 360 and PS3 were on the same power level.

    No.3 Blu-ray. It's only recently that games needed more Disc space but this is DUE TO FMV.

    before FFXIII it was unnecessary at the time and by the time people got the so called blu-ray players they are now less than a Ps3 combined. Your blu-ray argument IS VALID NOW NOT WHEN THE PS3 WAS RELEASED.

    Now before you get your tits in a tangle no one has used the whole blu-ray even now its still unnecessary, only FMV takes up the space not the Actual GAME. Recent example Dragon's Dogma.

    No 4. Super computers WHAT A BLOODY JOKE everyone got screwed on that one. Only had to waited a year before you had a proper one yourself :).

    The PS3 worth getting now hell yes!! Since it's the price point it should of been +$100 more. I hope Sony learns from it's mistakes and make a console that's affordable to have one early in the game as well as xbox.

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    Comment by GodMan
    15:00 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    So they finally decided to catch up

    Comment by Anonymous

    not, ps3 is the bad copy of nintendo, sony will fail again

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:37 18/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    PS3 = N64

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:25 17/06/2012 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    is the shameless copy of Nintendo.

    Comment by Anonymous

    the Psp was great?

    Comment by Anonymous

    sony sux, ps2 and psp were great, but ps3 and psv... they're a joke!

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:09 17/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Would be nice if this was true but I highly doubt it.

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    Comment by Castian

    So the next Xbox will be a Ps3?
    wow, really.

    Comment by Anonymous

    If a PS3 has
    SSD, Wimax, etc.

    6 to 8 times more powerful than the 360

    360 compatibility

    “Kinect 2″

    accompanied by the 2014 release of “Kinect Glasses”

    priced at $299, for release in 2013

    Then yes.

    Mine doesn't...

    Comment by Anonymous

    no, no, no

    HaHa wanna see the PS3 that has 6 to 8 times more power then the 360.

    no - though maybe that would (finally) justify buying a PS3




    still no

    No reason to buy a PS3 then?

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    Comment by Yarodomo

    Lol, no, it's impossible. the PS3/Xbox360 Gen is still going strong, and there are still more people being introduced to it, also, making something better than PS3/Xbox360 in such a short time is impossible, no matter how developed and strong the technology is, it's impossible.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:17 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    You're not really familiar with what's actually inside the XBox 360, are you? It's actually a pretty gimped machine that was behind desktop technology at its launch and devs have had to do all kinds of tricks to even get it playing at the level it appears to be. It's doing a lot of line doubling to even hit HD resolutions on a lot of high profile titles, and many games are also running at 540p just to hit decent frame rates.

    As for the leaked specs, nothing looks particularly unreasonable. If they use an AMD CPU this time around, there are already off the shelf 8 core desktop processors. I would assume it would end up being a custom model of a current chipset with the memory baked in since they wouldn't have to fit a standard socket, but hey, this is Microsoft, it could be a literal PC inside a plastic shell instead of a custom layout. After all, that's what they sent around as dev kits for the 360.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:14 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah no!
    Not the one you are replying to, but you don't seem to know nothing.
    CPU wise both PS3 and X360 were further advanced than any desktop CPU at the time, reason for that was the multicore for desktops was just in the beginning phase (dual cores max), at that time it was said IBM who made for both the CPU was at least for years more advanced than Intel. Differently said everyone else was atleast four years behind.
    Concerning the GPU, both consoles used either an ATI or nVidia high end chip of the time, that were tweaked to suit the demands of Sony and MS for the consoles.
    You called it tricks others call it on metal programming or running the software without an API like DX or OpenGL, AMD give an interesting interview about the capabilities of a GPU working without one, they said the performance increase is somewhere between 5 and 10 times. The problem with is that programming like that is for most companies too much (EA, Activision Blizzard and so).
    That is why you will only see good looking games from developers with some serious skill and knowledge about the machine, for example look at Uncharted (the first), the characters in it have a polygon count coming close to what chars in Crysis had at max settings.
    Obviously it is not Crysis level, but most of that is related to the textures as those really got limited thanks to Sony cheaping out on memory.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:07 18/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nice example from the PS3, the system not running its flagship FPS titles in 540p so the frame rate doesn't crash and burn. Yes, the two systems had a VERY brief period where they were more powerful than a PC. No, it didn't last for more than a year or two (see Crysis, it wasn't released on consoles for 4 years, and when it was the engine was gimped to run on them). And no, I don't consider frame doubling a clever programming trick. I call it having to program on a machine that can't handle what you're putting on it and faking a framerate. Add enough blur and the idiots playing it won't know the difference. It's HD! No it's not, and the fact that anyone thinks the 360 had been a powerhouse for more than a year or two after it was released is delusional.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:49 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    NO LOL

    GTFO. PS3 and 360 are underpowered and are long past their expiration date.

    They were not designed for the long run in mind. Or Sony wouldn't have Gimped the PS3 with so little RAM and a weak ass GPU.

    Microsoft wouldn't have given the 360 such little eDRAM and system RAM, and a weak CPU.

    Consider the following:
    The original Xbox was only out 4 years before the 360 came out. The 360 has been out for 7 years almost. It's time to die.
    Hopefully it's successor won't be the unreliable POS Pyramid scheme the 360 was.

    Maybe they'll use Bluetooth this time too for controllers. Because the 360's Wireless sucks. Constant disconnects.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:00 18/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    They gave it so little RAM because RAM used to be expensive when they were initially sold.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:21 18/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Screen in the controller, where did I see that again? Dreamcast? Hurr durr Dreamcast riped off Wii U.
    Sony uses Gyroscope in ther controller, they have a patent on this since 1999, hurr durr they rip off Nintendo.
    SOny has a camera controlling hurr durr they rip of Kinect, not like they already had eye toy for the PS2 and motion capturing in the movie business (in which Sony also participates).
    Nintendo is the Apple of consoles.
    Just accept there is more than one console and enjoy each and every of them.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Sony originally said they wanted the PS3 to last longer than the PS2's lifespan, close to 2016. I would say it wouldn't be until 2014 until they release a new system, especially to see how the Wii U does this year and to rip off their innovation.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:24 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Making something better than the ps3/360 in such a short time is impossible? You are SO fucking blissfully unaware of how quickly technology advances right now...

    Moore's Law anyone? It's been 7 years and the systems were garbage compared to high end computers when they released, much less now.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:50 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    we call that PCm way better and stronger very long time ago and with short time u mean 7 years? thats plenty of time to make something a lot better.

    i remember when i bought my P3 of 933mhz, it was so awesome and it was 12 years ago :( now with a i5 2500k at 4.5ghz

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:50 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I'd be happy if they got rid of all that cd swapping,...ummm..please insert disk 2 now....

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:59 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Will not be supporting the hate-ridden Xbox360 box that it's fans seek to ban lolis and throw anime games under a bus.

    Down with the man!

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:27 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    They try to put Anime Games on the Xbox 360 the problem is not many Japanese were buying the Xbox 360 first place.

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    Comment by Shadow C
    14:14 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    If they really do sell it at that price, they'll have no choice but to heavily subsidize it. This will of course require them to squeeze more money out of their Xbox live subscriptions. Xbox live will get even more expensive, because most of their extensive 3rd party applications are also subscription-based, not to mention paid DLC. If you're planning on getting the full Xbox experience, you'll really need to open up your wallet.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:07 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    animu should be thrown under the bus, all you faggots do it pirate it and eatshithara doesn't game

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    Comment by Zechs31
    03:17 18/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I like lolis and i have played a lot of loli games on 360(Im@s 1,2 & L4U,3 Dream Club,2 Onechanbara,Ore No Yome,Gal-Gun,2 Senko No Ronde,N3,2 Otomedius,Strike Witches,Stein's Gate,Agarest War etc)and apart one,Gal-Gun(with an OPTIONAL Title Update)they're not censored at all!So quit fanboism and go play these awesome games!!!

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    Comment by Barbarian of Gor
    16:54 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)


    If they mean 300 with the inflation/monopolized markets it means the "We are taking a hit on the console but holding on for dear life for the licensee/control racket" trip is going through the roof...

    Perhaps they have that idea from the Japanese guy to make not just non-tradable/resell able games but to also make them rent only... And of course high prices and no lower value later...

    But the design is also not creative... That I'm really po'd, X-box had good creativity in it's design earlier... I was hoping for some kind of rocket shaped pod with multiple drives and a ventilation cooling system, perhaps a joint use of X-Box Tan and RROD-Tan lighted icons...

    I'm hoping this is some fucker's fake.
    But I could fake better.

    My fake would have stuff like a better Kinect that could scan the room and take pictures of people, also tap through wifi and (secret) window's backdoor computers for illegal files, an attack program for illegal files and competitor software and a secret chip that is (government involvement only) out to send any/all data to "Big Brother"...

    And it would look cool, not a 5th rate 5CD changer for a home stereo stack...

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:45 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Terrible. So many storage options and not a mandatory one will only hurt such a closed platform. Every unit needs to come with a HDD. Especially if they use a low speed BD drive.

    And 8X the 360 power will probably not be good enough if they really want a 10 year life span for this next generation.

    They need something revolutionarily effecient.

    Even the top of the line GTX680M(mobile) card is only between 5-10X the 360 (80 Gtex/s ........ 10x Xbox360
    1935 Gflops/s ..... 8x Xbox360
    115 GB/s .......... 5x Xbox360) from >

    And my Desktop GTX 460 V1 (which is 2 numerical generations behind) performs better than the 680M in some situations and even then that's not enough to run every single current game Maxed out at 1080p with 30FPS or greater.

    With only 8X the power of the 360, the generational leap will not be that significant. It'll only become closer to the mid-range of what's capable on PCs.

    It also needs to be able to run agressive uber AA. Something that has gone by the way side in recent years.

    AA Makes IQ skyrocket and is a MUST for a next gen console. Whether it be FSSGSSAA, OGSSAA(Downsampling),TrSSAA, Or some crazy combination of PP AA like MLAA,FXAA,TXAA, and MSAA or FSAA.


    Binary Domain downsampled w/FXAA from 2732x1536 to 1600x900

    Compared to the console versions

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:18 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Also Adaptive Vsync is the key to system longevity.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:17 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    >lowspeed BD drive
    you living under a rock bro? only first gen BD drives were slow, like the one inside everyone's PS3. BD was designed to support transfer rates on par with Firewire. The outer rim of a BD disc in a 12x drive theoretically can hit 400Mbps [50MB/s ?!?]. That's on par with any mechanical notebook drive.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Low speed BDs are cheap. Consoles are cheap gaming platform. Can you do the math?

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:21 18/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    >implying a faster motor costs more
    god you're stupid

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:35 18/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    What's he saying in layman terms. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

    I only use the computer to fap to hires porn and don't play games like vidya on 4chan.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:24 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Fake. It won't even cost $299 by the time it's released. All of those features for only $299? From Microsoft? Plus the time of the 52% RRoDs, I'm still not getting an Xbox.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:50 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, MS likes to Nickel and dime with their Pyramid schemes like the 360 Launch.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:37 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Not accepting or denying your Microsoft theory, but please look up what a pyramid scheme is.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:20 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    you expect 10yos to actually research popculture words?! just wait til they use 'red haring'.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:17 18/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    $299 in the U.S
    $1000 in Brazil


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