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Bandai has announced its withdrawal from the US anime publishing business, a move greeted by the usual litany of piracy accusations from angry Japanese otaku with a less than favourable view of their overseas brethren.

The company’s US subsidiary was established in 1998 as Bandai Entertainment, distributing various anime and manga titles in North America. Another subsidiary, Bandai Visual USA, was established in 2005 but was folded into Bandai Entertainment in 2008.

Bandai Entertainment will cease all anime and manga releases by February, and will instead focus solely on licensing the rights to publishers rather than publishing and distributing titles itself. Its online store has already been shut down.

Since Bandai was formerly translating and distributing many titles it did not actually originally publish in Japan, this presumably means it will now only be licensing titles from its own stables (most notably Gundam, via Sunrise) to US publishers.

It has also been noted that some of the group’s Japanese anime releases, such as Gundam Unicorn, have been published as multilingual discs, obviating the need for an overseas distributor and potentially allowing them to be sold directly to an international audience.

Games and other properties are handled by a complex network of international subsidiaries, and are likely to be entirely unaffected by Bandai Entertainment’s withdrawal from the US anime business.

Despite publishing English versions of such hits as Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Haruhi, the company has somehow failed to make vast amounts of money. Predictably, the spread of the Internet has been implicated.

Online explanations for their abject failure seem to concentrate on the ever-popular “all foreigners are thieves” explanation, along with Bandai simply being incompetent – although many have been pondering the rather problematic quandary of how to sell anime at low prices overseas without letting sneaky English-reading Japanese get their hands on it as well:

“Cool Japan…”

“Cool, but not in that sense.”

“So the Yanks got tired of Japanime?”

“Just how much were they selling them for?”

“Weren’t they selling them at rip-off prices?”

“They were trying to sell them at prices similar to the Japanese ones. This is the result.”

“It’s obvious you’ll fail if you sell BDs at ¥7,000 overseas.”

“Who’d buy at that price? Not me.”

“I’ve bought a few of their US DVDs. They certainly weren’t as expensive as the Japanese releases. However, by American standards they were still expensive.”

“Bandai as a whole has not been producing many hits lately. They are too dependent on Gundam.”

“They are making some CG anime of Tekken… seems a total waste of money.”

“They say the tastes of US fans have changed, but really they are the same. The problem is all the anime made in Japan is now for the creepy otaku demographic and doesn’t interest them.”

“They just illegally upload as much as they want and have no intention of paying a dime for anime. It’s incredibly cheap compared to Japan, yet still they pirate. Rather than sell titles cheaply on Amazon.com and have Japanese buy them there, they might well make more by withdrawing.”

“With the BD releases of Akira and Freedom, they were simultaneous in the US and Japan, but the price in the US was far cheaper.

Obviously all the Japanese ordered from Amazon.com and sales were great, but it turned out most were just Japanese buying it overseas. So they revised the pricing on Gundam UC so it’s just as expensive everywhere.”

“With all the Japanese using those sites to order, they either have to sell at prices too high for foreigners or withdraw.”

“This is a conundrum. You can’t sell overseas at those prices, but at lower prices the Japanese start buying them instead. How will the Japanese contents business cope in the age of the Internet?”

“I felt no satisfaction buying those overseas editions. They are fine just to watch, but they have no specials or anything, you can’t collect them.

And how come the original was in stereo but the US versions end up in 5.1?”

“The biggest problem is illegal downloads. Self-proclaimed right-wing patriots are always whining about how horrible China is to Japan, but really Americans are just as horrible to us.”

“What they were actually selling:

5 Centimeters Per Second
Freedom
Ghost Slayers Ayashi
The Girl Who Leapt Through Space
The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
Gurren Lagann
Hayate the Combat Butler
K-ON!
Kurokami
The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya
Mobile Suit Gundam
Mobile Suit Gundam 00
Mobile Suit Gundam UC
Tekken: Blood Vengeance

Was it really that hard to sell all these popular titles in the US?

If you look at Amazon.com’s anime best seller ranking, they are all anime which didn’t really take off in Japan. Interesting.”

“They won’t buy even at those low prices!”

“The market was small to begin with. You cannot just increase sales by reducing the price like that, there simply isn’t a large audience to begin with.”

“Isn’t it just because only a few ever got shown on TV? If the only way they see the first episodes is by having to go to the trouble of downloading it, your audience is not going to increase.”

“All this despite increasing numbers attending their events…”

“Yankee otaku don’t care about video or audio quality so they just watch on YouTube.”

“It’s just because overseas a culture of piracy has taken root.”

“There is no way this is solely the fault of illegal downloads.”

“Bandai has already failed to expand into Europe and America numerous times. I guess they’ll just have to keep trying.”

“What do you expect from a company which didn’t even bother including the Japanese language audio track on its Kurokami BD release? All the NA fans think they are total retards.”

“That is just moronic. Even the most basic market research will reveal that the majority of the fans there don’t care about dubs and listen in Japanese with subtitles. It’s obvious Bandai is not cut out for this kind of business.”


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    Comment by Anonymous
    01:34 05/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    “Bandai as a whole has not been producing many hits lately. They are too dependent on Gundam.”

    “They say the tastes of US fans have changed, but really they are the same. The problem is all the anime made in Japan is now for the creepy otaku demographic and doesn’t interest them.”

    THESE!!

    “What do you expect from a company which didn’t even bother including the Japanese language audio track on its Kurokami BD release? All the NA fans think they are total retards.”

    That's to deter reverse importing, due to bluray not having separate Japan region protection. In-other-words you cheap fucks reverse importing animu fucked us foreigners. If there is a BD release, I won't buy some shitty dvd, nor buy a stripped bluray. Fuck them. And yes, they are retards.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:36 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    "They say the tastes of US fans have changed, but really they are the same. The problem is all the anime made in Japan is now for the creepy otaku demographic and doesn’t interest them"

    YES, THIS!!!!!!!!! Pure truth. One of the true reasons. Look at all those different titles from ~5-6 years ago.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:25 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    GOD.
    You pseudo intelectual fags just need to feel so special which is why you are ovelooking titles which are without fansevice or "moe".

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:02 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I would be genuinely interested in this list of overlooked titles.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:02 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Really? I can name you lots of shows which are not targeted at otaku virgins.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:19 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Studio Ghibli only accounts for a small percentage of non-otaku titles. Moe, shouta, lolicon, boob fighter, middle school & harem dominate the yearly release percentages. All otaku crap.

    Comment by Dark Mage
    02:00 06/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    BD has enough storage even half a season could have both English and Japanese tracks.

    But the smartest thing they can do is get more stuff on cable.
    Love it or hate it anime segments like Toonami were largely responsible for the anime boom of the late 90s early 2000s.

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    Comment by Chen-04
    02:21 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    ”The problem is all the anime made in Japan is now for the creepy otaku demographic and doesn’t interest them.”

    This is a false statement. Since the 1970s anime series were always for the creepy otaku demographic. Really. It's just that this stuff didn't make it overseas... till there were fansubs. And suddenly americans have access to these kind of titles.

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    Comment by h8GWB
    20:02 08/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Most simply summarized:

    "When in doubt, blame teh internetz."

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    Comment by Tenshi_
    01:12 05/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Than what about my collection of figures, posters, BDs, dounjinshis and merchandise?? I'm pretty sure that I bought these because of watching "pirated" anime...

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    Comment by Powerpuff Loli
    02:44 05/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Here, here. While FUNimations is still "trying" to acquire the Index and Railgun licenses from the deceased Geneon, it was thanks to fansubs that I found out about the show and went ahead and bought a handful of not-so-cheap figures of those shows (particularly of Kuroko and Misaka).

    Comment by Anonymous

    But Geneon Japan didn't ask you to watch or buy any of the Index series through fansubs, or buy the merchandise...

    Where in the hell, did they say they wanted to sell the Index series to foreigners? Was it intended for foreigners in mind? They can't create or sell stories with Western Civilization Influence to their own culture?

    It was your own free-will, your decision to get into Index. They didn't point a gun to buy into the series.

    Japan problem is that people around the world don't respect the "Ideal" of "Buying" things from them that was intended for Japanese Culture. And they wonder why foreigners are so mad at their prices for Japan's Country?

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:25 06/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    The main problem is with the business model. Instead of selling anime as a brand, they treat it like a TV show and only look at profit through that. But there is a lot of other way to make money other than DVD that can feasible to market segment that might not have the disposable income for DVDs.

    Anime trinkets are also very popular but all those are imported so it would only reflect it as JAPANESE anime sale even though its sold outside of Japanese. The price too are very high, think of the high origin price in Japan + cost of shipping + exchange rate + elasticity of demand and the cost of substitute(what people get for fun) the price of a Japanese anime good are literally out of reach for many people.

    I just recently bought two figures that would have allow me to buy a PS3 no problem and 45% of that was shipping and I have to pay 25-30% then I would had pay 3-4 years ago because of the exchange rate.

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    Comment by Powerpuff Loli
    23:55 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Geneon Entertainment USA had licenced the first Index season and would've, in all likelihood, released it had they not gone under soon after that. FUNimation then announced that they were trying to acquire the Index license through Geneon.

    At any rate, I'm not complaining about the prices. I was just commenting that it was because of these so-called "pirate" fansubbers that I was able to discover that series and then show my support by purchasing official merchandise, that I would've otherwise never realized it existed if it were up to American licensors and their legal problems.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:30 06/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Also in Japan say you want to watch an anime because you've heard that its interesting they are usually air in the TV station so you can see it.

    But for those outside of US, short of waiting for 2-3 years + the uncertainty of if it gets released means that whatever interests you might have had with the anime are probably mostly gone by the time it come out.

    If there is a way for those fans to watch it with reasonable time lag + known its done legally, I am sure that most fan will adapt to it. But sadly its quick to just blame it on piracy.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:42 06/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Geneon Entertainment USA "Went Under" way before To Aru Majutsu No Index "aired"/came out in Japan.

    Geneon Entertainment Japan is the company FUNimation is trying to acquire rights for Index.

    If Geneon Entertainment USA still exists, it's only as subsidiary of mainly 2-3 people as "Go-To" guys "Only". But in the end, they would still have to wait for Geneon Entertainment Japan to get the "Video" and "Extras" from.

    Okay, I understand that's how you come to love Index through fansubs. But it was not Japan's fault that the DVDs/BluRays didn't get released in the U.S. Sure they been busy going through their merger with "Universal Japan". Happens to companies all the time. American Companies just have to be patient when it is released as well for other countries. But remember it was only suggested to Japan to "Market" Anime internationally, doesn't mean they put their heart and soul in selling their titles to every country.

    If they want Anime Titles from Japan, American/Foreign Companies have to pay to release it in their countries if the title is suitable to each countries' standards.

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    Comment by Yourtime
    07:21 05/01/2012 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    I'm the same.. I think I spent till yet 5400€ for figures.. + some mangas and 1-2 dvds .. they f*cking should not whine..

    and wtf? 17€ for 3episodes?.. sorry, thats just wrong.. there are shows which have 20ep. for 19€.. so.. I would accept 30€ for 13ep.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:29 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Hell yeah, I did spend a fortune on figures, books and discs. Actually, the derived merchandise is where the studios make their money, I'll bet.

    Comment by Dark Mage
    06:02 06/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Licensed merchandise is a major income for some genres and should not be underestimated.
    Better much anything with spaceships and robots will sell lots of models and toys.
    Heck even series that don't have these elements do sometimes sell figures.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:12 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Are You Serious? Did they point a gun to your head to buy the merchandise? Did they threaten your family? Did they blackmail you?

    You reach your own dumb*** conclusions when you bought it on your own.

    It's like saying Sport teams like NFL or the NBA can't sell merchandise; Nascar can't sell merchandise; Superman can't make merchandise.

    Is it always a conspiracy theory with you nutheads?

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:28 06/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think you're missing the point...

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:06 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    if there are enough people buying, it would be that price. But they set the equilibirum price to maximize profit based on the units expected to be sold. After all, it costs merely a dollar or two to reproduce one of those blu-ray disks, but if they try selling that for $20, and 40000 people buys them as opposed to $70 but only 15000 people buys them, it is obviously a better deal to price it at $70

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:49 06/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes, each BD disc costs very little to print.

    Now try looking into authoring costs and see where the real hit comes from. Getting a master printed is usually over $1500. This is before the many required tech license fees per title (around $500-$1000 each, each with its own four to ten cents per disc printed).

    Want a menu? Another $1000, for static imagery. Short video loops is much higher.

    Menu based chapter selection? $1500+, static.

    The list goes on.

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    Comment by Spritle
    14:08 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not to mention the huge licensing fees they have to pay, translators and voice actors for subs and dubs, etc.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:06 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    I just recently got Cowboy Bebop for Christmas; I asked for it only after watching all the episodes online.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:27 06/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Same reason why i bought Clannad.

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    Comment by Mauvais
    20:56 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Yeah, sorry Japan and co., you'd be making a lot less off of me if it weren't for all the free stuff I found beforehand. Only a fool shops without researching, and watching the stuff online is the only way for us "pirates" to get introduced to most anime.
    Do they think Americans walk up to the DVD racks and go, "Hey, look! SNL seasons for $70 each. I've only heard of this from others, so I feel confident this is a worthwhile purchase!"

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    Comment by wahyudil
    02:44 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Agree, I have the same opinion ... without this "pirated" anime, I will never buy any japanese toys that Bandai made ... especially gunpla and SHF

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    Comment by YOSHIYUKI
    01:46 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    You're right.I have your same opinion.

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    Comment by Y0k41
    13:11 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    You're not alone. As a not-so-wealthy highschooler I've ended up spending every bit of cash I can scrape up on figures, soundtracks, posters, and (untranslated) manga for the last 3 years.

    I would hardly even know what anime was if it wasn't for all those fan-subbed episodes I stumbled onto online.

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    Comment by Animaksiat
    13:48 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    well i feel the same, i bought figures, posters, etc because of watching the they so-called "pirated" anime... but those merchandise wasn't part of bandai!

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:26 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sadly, that's kind of the point. People will still buy all of these things whether they release US versions or not, so why spend the money? It's terrible logic, I know, but that's the world we all live in.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:09 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    If that's the case, we got **cked up lives and **cked up futures and there is no saving us, because we can't save ourselves from the truth when it comes down to it.

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    Comment by fxc2
    01:17 05/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    I don't see why Japanese anime companies couldn't make money overseas; Simply invest into subbing anime into english and create a free online viewing service which relies on localised advertising. Release episodes at the same time they are aired and then gather advertisement profits. However, the problem in the end is that they have no interest in selling anime overseas.

    So I don't see why they then complain when somebody pirates their property outside Japan as if it would cut their sales. WTF Japan?

    Comment by PhillB
    05:05 05/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    The always resilient Japanese business model. Geez, how long before they realize online services are the new mine of gold?

    And they need to lower those inflated prices.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:26 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    The inflated prices come from the a very simple fact: Japan has, just like the UK, a different economic level from countries like Canada or the USA. People in the UK and Japan earn higher revenues (or at least, they used to!) Since companies have to pay higher wages, the price of their products or services follow suit. Food, electronics and discs, for example, cost much more then in North America, and when these products get there, their price seem inflated compared to similar locally manufactured (or grown) products.

    I cannot say that Bandai are without fault because of difference between two nations' economy, but it certainly didn't help them. (I do agree that they seem to be ill-intent on trying the same outdated business model and failing horribly at it, and THEN blaming it on piracy, when it was their fault to begin with.)

    As a fan of anime, I do buy CDs from Japan and oh god, the prices! It's TWICE as much as any CD I would buy locally, and that's -without- shipping or taxes. I can't imagine how much I'd pay for figures now if they made them here! (I'd save half! Or alternatively, buy twice as many!)

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:21 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    You're crazy! Food in Japan is more expensive, yes. Especially if you buy them as INGREDIENTS. You can still have a nice meal out for more or less the same as in the US (maybe a little more for some things; definitely a lot cheaper than in Canada) despite somewhat different sizes in portions.

    About any other shopping item is more or less same as in the US. Canada is still way more expensive. There are a few exceptions: some electronics will seem slightly more expensive than the ones in North America, but despite the same model it is -made in Japan- instead of China or Indonesia or whatnot. If you ever get to see a Made-in-Japan television or camera, you will notice picture quality differences. May be too subtle for some people though.

    You may also notice that even for Made in China clothes in Japan, a lot of them are of higher quality than random ones you find in North America, also made in China.

    I think the only thing that is a heck lot more expensive in Japan is anything to do with land/space-- parking (even bicycles!), renting apartments or parking spaces, and definitely buying a house.

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    Comment by Shippoyasha
    17:01 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    "You're crazy! Food in Japan is more expensive, yes. Especially if you buy them as INGREDIENTS. You can still have a nice meal out for more or less the same as in the US (maybe a little more for some things; definitely a lot cheaper than in Canada) despite somewhat different sizes in portions."

    That is unfortunately not true. A lot of foods as ingredients are not cheap in Japan. Why do you say?: Because most ingredients in supermarkets come from overseas including a ton of them from America. While Americans/Canadians probably don't need to worry about the price of food that only takes several minutes of driving to get to. People may think living in America/Canada is high maintenance, but it's probably even more so in Japan.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:31 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, I don't know about UK, but if you noticed the shift in anime themes and genre's in Japan ,you'll see a lot more anime being made for the "creepy otaku" demographic. Shows like Cowboy Bebop and Big O are definitely not in that demo, so the Japanese producers had to make a choice between Japan and international. They chose Japan and ended up losing the rest of the world. Just think about it, Haruhi- a show about a fucktard queen of a bitch, was really popular in Japan. But man, come on, that show cannot compare to Ghost in the Shell when it comes to international viewership.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:36 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.8)

    No dubs. I am not very good in Japanese, but i still prefer to hear nice Japanese seiyuu voices instead of all bad dubs, in whatever other language.
    Japanese voices are simply of outstanding quality.
    You can easily have many different subs to that, they don`t demand much data.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:54 05/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    This is why they failed in making money. I would buy tons if the voice acting was good. Take Ryuk from Death note his voice in Japanese was spot on in English... well I threw it away.

    What Bandai should have done was invest in some professional voice actors.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:26 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Amen. I buy only after I hear the dubs or go strictly with subs.

    I personally do not like any of the American voice actors. They suck because they sound out of context. A cop who sounds like a cheerleader? A pilot sounding like a playground brat? Would you listen to any of the music if they had someone off-key? That's how I look at American Dubs and much of the cartoons.

    IMHO, the biggest problem is how they promote it. It's like how EGames is struggling here in the US. It isn't popularized and is usually stigmatized. I'm not saying there isn't a market but that marketing hasn't been done well and the 'administration' are heavy handed on it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:28 06/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Need more Crispin Freeman have yet to find a better English voice actor.

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    Comment by oniichan
    08:09 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    But what percentage of Americans who buy Anime actually know or follow the seiyuu's? and would watch a series based on who is voice acting.

    You can't replace a Yui Horie, Rie Kugimiya, Yū Kobayashi etc and have the anime take on the same depth and feeling.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:12 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.8)

    That's the problem not all American Anime fans are Purists who would rather spend their time reading poorly localized subtitles that are as literal as possible.

    Hence why though they also put SUBS on DVDS. Don't like Dubs? Then don't ruin it for the rest of us.

    I also love though they count Piracy as if it's a lost sale.

    You can't lose something that you never had. And you can't lose a sale from someone who never intended to buy something.

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    Comment by Dummy00001
    08:48 06/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    > and would watch a series based on who is voice acting.

    It is not about following particular voice actor/actress.

    It seems you do not understand the problem

    Just watch pretty much any English dub. 99% of them are dubbed so horribly, voices do not match the character or setting at all, with poor or no acting whatsoever - or worse, over-acting. It is as if random people picked on a street were given text to read.

    Note that the problem doesn't exist with the most animations produced in the West - it is the problem what kind of dubbers redistributors hire here.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:02 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    that could be true, however piracy does contribute to lost of sale.
    had it not been for the internet and anime was available licensed here, I'd be jumping all over it.
    I've bought two series, K-on and Clannad, how much did I spend? a cool $1,500 on four seasons worth of shows. As much as I love to support the industry, it is simply not possible.
    why don't I buy the English licensed version? I feel it is a much inferior product and comes when the hypes already comes down

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:52 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Pro-tip: Don't buy shows based on hype. That's just stupid and tasteless.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:55 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Well thats mostly because in japan they are full time voice actors. In the US atleast I belive most normlay do other jobs at the company as well as voice acting. so your basicly getting a dub by non-professionals. Another issue most people fail to understand is europe and america are just extra money for the japanese companys anime is not and outside possibly a few shows never has or will be made for a non japanese audiance so companys expecting non-japanese customers to buy at japanese prices which is ment to make a profit and recover cost doesnt work well outside japan. Also remember most anime broadcast on tv over there like normal tv shows so they get fees form tv stations and advertisments as well to cover costs.

    P.S. while some may argue I also submit that in all honesty a lot of anime in resent years has been well crap mostly fanservice or loliish crap mind you thats my opinion but while i download anime as well I do buy quite a bit just like american tv shows if its good i'll buy the box set and i say box set because american companys dont release single disk versiosn ie 1 to 4 episodes per disk its a box set only kind of thing be it some did do the single disks at times I remember stargate sg1 did that some but 98%(pulled from my ass) are box sets only.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:12 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    In Japan they have people like Megumi Hayashibarain, the US we have people like Rebecca Forstadt.

    Occasionally the US gets a good team, The Sayers, but that's rarely the case. Usually they're just tolerable, like Bleach or Full Metal Alchemist.

    Of course some I found intolerable in Japanese, One Piece for instance. But the Japanese seem to love it. So whatever.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:54 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Actually, most American VAs are professional actors and do stage work, along with scriptwriting and directing.
    It's like you people literally live in 1997.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:19 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oJjF_1y-yA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCyo4geEu-0
    If only American dubs were as good as Russian ones...

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    Comment by KiTA
    10:46 06/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Bleach, One Piece, and Naturo are all suffering from Akira Toriyama syndrome.

    The authors of all 3 are openly begging to move on to something else, and the publishers are basically forcing them to stick around because the money's too good.

    So you have the authors trying to wrap the series up, only whoops, the publisher won't let them, so it's time for an even BIGGER bad guy. Shock, Awe, etc.

    Eventually they'll have saved up enough money from the rather absurdly low pay even people like Eiichiro Oda make in that abysmal pit of an industry, and they'll just flat out quit.

    Which should be interesting to see, eh?

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:33 07/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @10:46 Oda is like the only mangaka that really rakes in the cash. His pay isn't "absurdly low".

    Everyone else's probably is, though.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:27 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I agree with Anon 23:06,

    @12:12: You must be freaking crazy to think that Bleach is good...have you even comprehend the plot of why Kubo didn't finish it with Aizen. It was a okay show at the beginning, but it's been a complete bloody *** mess afterwards.
    Bleach is so inconsistent with the series that we can't tell WTF timeline they're suppose to follow.

    At least One Piece, doesn't do 30 - 100 episode filler like Bleach and Naruto does. It blows my mind that people's brains are so numbed about that fact on those two shows alone. These people only care about the action, and not the story.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:06 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @12:12

    Oda DID intend for One Piece to be a little 'quirky' :P And I dont have a problem with that.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:45 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Lets just hope they produce Anime with subtitles so that we could buy those. I also prefer Japanese VA than other countries.

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    Comment by Shippoyasha
    17:00 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I keep hearing about the bad dubs but a lot of them are pretty good now. Some are even great. It's just a matter of marketing them properly and with the right price. Bandai's anime were sold almost like it would in Japan, with only 3-4 episodes per release, compared to most other Blurays having anywhere from 10-20 episodes in a release (or even better, the whole 26 episode run in some cases).

    I'm sure there's a market for anime in the world. I wish people have less of a defeatist attitude and stop trying to accuse other anime fans for it. Though I do think more anime fans support their hobby with real money instead of thinking fansubs are the only way to go, or you're somehow 'supporting' it by only watching it, not giving it some revenue.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:04 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Dubs are getting better, but no way near the quality of Japanese voice actors. Why!!?? :(

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:32 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    There you go. As I mentioned, bad marketing.

    Seriously, why do they seem to release less while technology is increasing capacity? Why not release one DVD or Blue-Ray for half the discs? And how would the general population know about buying the DVDs when the majority haven't even watched part of it?

    The only people who are going to look at the 'new releases' are those already interested in anime. Hence only One Piece, Naruto and Bleach. They'll have to actually show something more current and during prime time on some channel besides "Adult swim'...

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:47 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Sure, there's a market. But...
    Where I live, Sweden, I managed to find Gurren Lagann on DVD. A third of the series for $60, plus shipping. But, only the first third is available.
    Sure, it has the Japanese sound track, but that won't endear me to buy something that was released quite a while ago if I can't get the whole series.
    And heck, I can buy an 80h game at that price.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:19 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's your problem that you live in Sweden. Don't complain to Japan, complain to your own government.

    And if you notice about your buying habit. You're buying it at thirdhand sellers. Gurren Lagann for complete can be found for $40-$50. When you see it expensive somewhere else, you blame the Japanese. But you honestly should be blaming your own country.

    Foreigners are the ones that created the market, Japan didn't ask everyone to buy their shows. That's where internationally it becomes twisted with foreigners...

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:07 08/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    The Japanese actors act. The English dubbers just read the line turn the page read the line turn the page... Oh maybe throw in British accent, lame.

    And they refuse to do what fansub groups do. No karaoke of the opening and ending animations, if they even keep them on. And they make up their own names for people and things instead just translating it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:48 10/02/2015 # ! Neutral (0)

    Exactly, I never cared for duvs in my anime or video games.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:59 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    I've even heard English dub actors (from Non-Bandai releases) comment & scratch their heads at Bandai's inability to capitalize on the titles they do get.

    VizMedia uses Adult Swim, Sentai Filmworks (old ADV) has AnimeNetwork, FUNimation thrives Online and crushes competitors... I don't see a Bandai presence anywhere but BestBuy & Netflicks and that model was 'dated' 5 years ago. They should get Online streaming,a TV station or STFU!

    How do you lose money with "Haruhi" & "K-On!"? Kodakawa must be ashamed!

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:33 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Yeah thats why I always turn my Tv to the Funimation Channel !!

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:11 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Unfortunately, it isnt available in all countries GODDAMNIT!!!!!!!!! *flips table*

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:50 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Funimation also has a website and a Youtube channel where they upload shows, dubbed and subbed. I know it's cool to give them crap, but they're doing it right.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:13 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I don't even get the Funimation Channel and I doubt I'm not the only one.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:21 06/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    what is Funimation wasn't Bandai the only anime company in English ?

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:40 06/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @17:50 yeah Funimation puts shows live on youtube and on their website because not everyone can have their Channel on TV obviously .

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:32 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Funimation has the best English voice actors in my opinion .

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:28 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Pioneer was the king of dubs. When they renamed to Geneon the quality went down.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:18 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Very wrong. Geneon did... When it still existed.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:37 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    nope, El-Hazard, Tenchi & Akira are proof Pioneer was superior.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:29 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I wish Crunchroll was available in Europe. But since the most prestigious titles like Fairy Tail and others are only available in the US and they still expect you to pay the same prices for like 30% of the US anime content, I guess that's one customer they lose.

    Comment by Dark Mage
    01:45 06/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @ anon 07:37

    I agree Tenchi,Akira, and El-Hazard had great dubbed voices.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:40 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Its called Crunchy Roll. You may hate it but its become a legit business now and making a pretty penny.

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    Comment by TFish
    01:33 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    That's pretty much crunchy roll.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:16 05/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    CR's TLs suck. Not as much as before but they're still inferior to funsubs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:41 05/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Agreed. I watched a couple eps of Squid Girl and I was groaning at some of the horrible puns.

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    Comment by Powerpuff Loli
    02:47 05/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    I like CR's TL. But it's crap like the Ika Musume puns that really bug me. For example:

    Are you squidding me? Ink before you type, young cephalopod.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:46 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    It may surprise you to learn that almost every group releasing a series that Crunchyroll has licensed for simulcasting rips their subs, may make a few tweaks, and then muxes them to their own higher quality video raw. Crunchyroll may have a bad rap in the community due to the way its business got started, but their subs are pretty good these days, with only a rare case of really big mistakes (like the ancient karuta poems in Chihayafuru). The groups that completely re-translate a CR show are few and far between, and from what I've seen usually end up with a worse translation.

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    Comment by Gradius
    03:46 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, I dunno about U.S., but I'm on a Latin America country, and have brought a lot titles from them like Love Hina, Cowboy Bebop, among others.

    I NEVER pir8 them to anyone, so this is UNTRUE!

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    Comment by fxc2
    01:51 05/01/2012 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    CR is heavily based in North America, not free if you want the stuff when it airs, they also don't sub all the series out there just focus on the most lucrative ones. So obviously theres still plenty of reasons to pirate anime. What I meant is something that'd make fansubbing completely obsolete, that's how you really fight piracy, not by starting lawsuits, crying on the internet or withdrawing from foreign markets.

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    Comment by White Phoenix
    08:15 08/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Completely agree. Gabe Newell said it best with how he created Steam. If you create a service that people will enjoy, people will find little reason to want to pirate your shit, especially if that service is easy to access and affordable.

    I think the issue here at this point is the fact that Japanese animation studios simply do not *want* to license their stuff out to American distributors because of this age-old fear of piracy. This is the *same* stupid fear that's driving ridiculous laws like SOPA and PIPA to the forefront here in the states. It's a general lack of understanding of the "why"s of piracy, and too much focusing on the "what" and the "how"s (and also the amount of "potential money" they would've lost).

    I'd like something along the lines of CR, but with higher quality subs. No dubs are needed - just sub my stuff and do it well and I'll gladly pay you money continuously to watch anime. And hey, here's a thought: allow us to download copies of your movies so we can archive it and watch it at our leisure. Just like Steam, allow us to store this stuff offline and keep that stuff DRM free. Hell, you can charge extra for that service if you want, I'll pay for it too.

    Keep relevant anime ads in your vids if you have to, and to give additional incentive for the ability to download copies, make them ad free versus your streamed versions. People will pay for your stuff, and guess what, you don't have to worry about the production costs! Offer referral links to partners/sponsors so if they want to buy the later hard copy version they can - hardcore anime fans will still buy your hardcopy to support you even if they watched the streamed/soft copy - IMAGINE THAT.

    I dunno, this stuff just makes too sense to me for them NOT to do it - I wish they'd just get to it already and I wish the Japanese corporate mindset isn't so butthurt about piracy. It'll happen to you - deal with it and move on.

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    Comment by Chen-04
    02:05 05/01/2012 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    Make it a site that doesn't ban IPs outside US from watching everything there is.
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    also, make it a site without all that social platforming crap.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:06 05/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    I actually think they would earn more if they had a site that did not require one to be in US and did not have all the "social platforming".

    You see, other than US there's also Europe, and regardless of whether you believe me or not, even through the languages in Europe are differing, there are many people here who are capable of watching anime with English subtitles; and yet they often can't, because in general even less licensed anime reaches Europe than US. Said Europe has number of potential watchers/customers approximately the same as US, and not much less than that if you subtract those who prefer dubbed version over subtitled one.
    Now about social platforming, even though the popularity of online social platforms is rising (or maybe because of that), there are many people who don't like them, or even outright despise them. Some of those don't mind it if they do have to become a member of such a platform, but for others such a requirement is enough to stop them from watching; they simply want a site which won't force them to give all of their personal data "just because", and frankly speaking, I'm not surprised at that (heck, even you are posting anonymously right now, and most likely because of a similar reasoning).

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:38 07/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah. European here.

    Crunchyroll is NOT worth the money over here because you don't even get to watch any of the interesting stuff due to licensing issues. :|

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:09 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I know GODDAMNIT!!! Bring it to other places too! >.<

    Comment by Anonymous

    How the hell will they make money then!? It is a BUSINESS after all.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:02 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Enjoy your steam and another annoying censorshit.

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    Comment by Satonaka
    04:01 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Same, I just can't stand reading CR's Translations. Japanese companies should figure out a legitimate way to "hire" or buy the translations that "some" fansub groups accomplish and pay them the $$$ and use their subs. Vastly superior in many ways compared to anything CR can put out as a "legitimate"(pff) release.

    CR subs are like the yellow subs from the 80's and 90's, get with the times.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:44 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Only HS rips CR's subs and releases them as their own. Rest of the groups change them quite a bit, depending on how many mistakes CR's translators and editors made.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:13 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    isnt that what happened to DB

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:38 05/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    No no DB asked there fans not to abuse Crunchy Roll when they got the liscense for Bleach but to get them to ask Crunchy Roll to let them keep on doing the subs (And that they would be uploaded on CR) ....

    But instead if you read the Crunchy Roll reply they basically gave DB the middle finger

    Comment by Anonymous

    Most fansubs these days use Crunchyroll's subs either wholesale or slightly tweaked with that group's styling and a better quality video raw, just FYI.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:11 07/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    You have excellent suggestions, fxc2! As an individual I have no real clout expressing this and Bandai seems to have no real fan feedback feature, so prehaps the producers of Sankaku Complex, which represents tens of thousands of out-Japan fans, should knock on Bandai's door and relate to them how they can adjust their operations without turning their backs on a profit.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:59 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    FCX2 Crunchyroll lol

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    Comment by Max Lance
    23:36 07/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Followup:

    You have excellent suggestions, fxc2! As an individual I have no real clout expressing this and Bandai seems to have no real fan feedback feature, so prehaps the producers of Sankaku Complex, which represents tens of thousands of out-Japan fans, should knock on Bandai's door and relate to them how they can adjust their operations without turning their backs on a profit.You have excellent suggestions, fxc2! As an individual I have no real clout expressing this and Bandai seems to have no real fan feedback feature, so prehaps the producers of Sankaku Complex, which represents tens of thousands of out-Japan fans, should knock on Bandai's door and relate to them how they can adjust their operations without turning their backs on a profit. I also like the idea of them offering on-line goodies like cut-rates on action figures or maybe some Nico or interactive manga artist (with fans!) interviews which are hard (make no sense) to pirate. You can be anti-piracy without being anti-profit, Bandai!

    Comment by Anonymous

    It's more like "WTF" fxc2...

    Isn't the reason obvious?
    People still ignore this fact, it's not yours.

    We get the idea, that if it wasn't for the internet you wouldn't have to pirate so much "stuff" in the first place.

    I know you're the kind person that don't make stuff. You're more of a "Do-er" than a "Make-er". You never been in the line of someones' shoes to their own creation.

    The last thing you want to do is "Create", because you damn know that if you create something, it's most likely getting stolen.

    Comment by Anonymous

    If possible, they would like if all Anime that they own wasn't in your countries. But because of the internet, and the mass majority of people that download like they can't stop smoking.

    Okay, Let's say Japan stops making Anime to everyone.
    I guess you can go back to your life, plain and simple.

    Once Japan stops making Anime all-together, because well sh*t pirates and people like you will make this happen whether you like it or not. The next best thing for you guys to pirate is your properties.

    Comment by Dark Mage
    01:54 06/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Actually it's more a problem of producers not understanding the market then anything else.
    It a real shame as foreign markets could be a huge income source if they knew the market.
    Esp with Hollywood mostly cranking out trash.
    People outside of Japan simply will not pay $60 for a BD with two episodes in fact most Japanese probably won't either.

    They also have largely ignored selling content via itunes,Amazon,etc.
    Most people will go for a legit source over shady pirated media if given an affordable high quality alternative.

    Also get more shows on foreign networks like CN etc.
    Getting exposure to a large audience is a key to success which is why Cowboy bebop and DBZ were so successful in foreign markets.

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    Comment by Karasu123
    06:34 07/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    You said it all.
    What got me into anime in the first place was anime on cartoon network, like Gundam and Dragonball Z. As as kid I saw that, then started renting anime movies like Princess Mononoke and Escaflowne. Now, I buy figures, clothing,games and other merchandise. I guarantee that would have never happened if there wasn't anime on tv. Now a days, there's little to no anime on children's channels. Anime wasn't even very popular in the 90's(in America) when it was on kid's channels every day, how can they expect it to be popular if it's barely on now? The only place I know of where one can watch anime is Adult Swim and children don't watch that. The U.S. population in general doesn't really like anime. It's a "nerdy" thing, that only weird basement dwellers like, and with the fact that it gets little to no exposure doesn't help.














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