“Haruhi Ruined Anime”

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Anime fans have been discussing the controversial thesis that the advent of Haruhi and her subsequent blockbuster hit status is responsible for drastically lowering the quality of anime to its current moeblob worshipping Type B paradise status.

The exchange:

“Late night anime from 2004-2006 was great. After Haruhi it all went downhill.”

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“You like Da Capo and Bottle Fairies?”

“This period was actually the worst!”

“No way!”

“After an otaku onanism title became a major hit everyone started worshipping them.”

“You can’t just come out with this stuff without explaining what causes it!”

“You can tell without explaining it. Now they just churn out these light novel adaptations in droves.”

“2004 was godly, but 2006 was a dark age. 2005 was OK.”

“I agree with him. Everything went crazy after Haruhi. Nobody funds proper anime, the work is all outsourced, the quality went down the toilet after they started getting those dirty Koreans to do it, and so fewer people watch it and the quality gets worse still in a vicious cycle.”

“Didn’t they say this sort of thing when Eva came out?”

“This guy doesn’t even watch recent anime! These days hardly any anime suffer quality collapse problems.”

“Besides, they’ve been outsourcing to Korea for years, long before Haruhi.”

“I think the animation quality has improved hugely. It’s gorgeous now. And Korea and China are much better at doing the work as well.”

2003:
Gun Parade March
Stellvia
Last Exile
Da Capo
Onegai Twins
FMP Fumoffu
Kimi ga Nozomu Eien
Tsukihime

2004:
Stand Alone Complex 2nd GIG
Maria-sama ga Miteru
Initial D Fourth Stage
Fafner
MaiHime
Gundam Seed Destiny

2005:
Negima!
AIR
Oh! My Goddess
Honey & Clover
Eureka Seven
PoniPoni dash
Lyrical Nanoha A’s
Shakugan no Shana
Aria the Animation
MaiOtome”

“There’s no trash there!”

“It’s nothing but trash! Nothing’s changed!”


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    Comment by Anonymous
    12:59 22/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.9)

    Blaming Korea for making anime horrible these days, even though they look better than ever.

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    Comment by Shippoyasha
    18:42 23/11/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Arthouse style anime done in gorgeous animation has been outsourced to Korea by Madhouse for a long time and they have been able to make great shows because they do a great job of funding and directing it.

    I just think it's that moe worship anime has so much more selling power than the artsy stuff out there.

    Also people seem to forget that Japan's struggling economy is putting a damper on everything. That includes anime, manga and videogames.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:28 04/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The quality of anime went down before US$ became inferior to Yen

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    Comment by Shippoyasha
    19:47 15/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Let's not forget that the Japanese bubble economy burst in the 90's. Japanese economy has been on a mire for way longer than the relatively recent American/Western-world economy flux.

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    Comment by Hangya
    14:00 24/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    just blame Ishihara for everything
    that might makes you feel even better

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:43 27/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    yea like Avatar had awesome animation: Korean Animators (dnt knw who directed it though)

    Comment by Anonymous

    Art does not make up for even part of what is a good anime. Only idiots would consider art to be such a huge factor.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Well, how do you think Michael Bay's films continue to make money? ;)

    Comment by Anonymous

    Art does not make up for even part of what is a good anime. Only idiots would consider art to be such a huge factor.

    Comment by Anonymous

    That's because they are digital

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    Comment by Dia
    23:59 22/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.7)

    No shit they're digital. Why do you think we switched tv broadcasts from analog to digital?

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:09 23/11/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    They are colored in the computer, but the drawings are still done by hand with the exception of a lot of vehicles, which I'm okay with.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:41 23/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Well, that's fucking retarded too, since, you know, anime are hand drawn, and always will be. The CGI they DO use is always blatantly obvious and looks like shit compared to the rest of the show. And even the CGI is done by hand, by artists, so even CGI wouldn't level the field.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:12 23/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Even if it's digital. They've surpassed the quality of analog animation. And the workflow is much more efficient.

    ALL they need now is to emulate analog animation more with things like film-grain and etc.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:41 23/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Which basically means koreans are not ruining anime right?... okay gotcha, disagree only to agree in the end good job WEL

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    Comment by WEL
    01:10 23/11/2011 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    he means that all anime are now being made completely in CGI and that makes every anime to be of the same quality, more or less.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:31 24/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    yeah, and fuck you too

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:21 22/11/2011 # ! Drivel (-0.7)

    dude you do know that japan is the only one that makes anime right? dumbass

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:04 22/11/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    19:21
    *wooosh*
    That's the sound of him trying to read the article, only for it to all pass over his illiterate head.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:34 22/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Most animators in japanese anime industry are koreans. afaik.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:41 22/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    I know it may come as a surprise to you since animation companies try to keep tight lipped but I read that somewhere around 70 percent of top animation studio outsource work. They had to talk to a korean animation studio to hear about this... and this was years back before the economy went to shit. I wouldn't be surprised if its closer to 100 percent now.

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    Comment by shinryou
    01:04 23/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    you can safely say that about every single anime tv series made in the past 10 years had a chunk outsourced overseas.
    in-between animation and digital paint to korea, china, ...
    background art to china, thailand, vietnam, ...

    outsourcing is not a recent thing either, they've done it since the early 90ies. though they concealed the koreans in the credits a bit more back in those days.

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    Comment by shinryou
    07:29 04/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    >No, only some animes that are long run, like OnePiece.
    Most of the short-run anime (animes for one term) doesn't fit to this idea.

    better check the veracity your claims before posting them ;)

    >Lol, that's also not true, Korean. You are mixing up with the fact that Korean people used to put their names in Kanji back in those days, that's why. Now, Koreans asks to put their names in alphabet.

    still a large chunk of koreans is credited with their hanja name nowadays.
    it's less about the names of the people.
    the way they hid the koreans back in the days was different: they didn't credit every single animator or painter, just the company they worked for. also, to obscure the origin of those companies, the names of those companies sounded very japanese, using kanji combinations that wouldn't be odd in japanese.

    Comment by Anonymous

    You must be stupid enough not to see the ED credits of each anime, no? Btw, not only Koreans are being outsourced, even the Viets are doing the god damn job.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:37 22/11/2011 # ! Drivel (-0.8)

    >Most animators in japanese anime industry are koreans. afaik.
    For god sake, where did this stupid idea came from, idiot.
    The only ongoing anime that is outsourcing (some background and movings) to Korea is Hunter×Hunter.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:37 23/11/2011 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    >every single anime tv series made in the past 10 years had a chunk outsourced overseas.
    No, only some animes that are long run, like OnePiece.
    Most of the short-run anime (animes for one term) doesn't fit to this idea.

    >concealed the koreans in the credits a bit more back in those days.
    Lol, that's also not true, Korean. You are mixing up with the fact that Korean people used to put their names in Kanji back in those days, that's why. Now, Koreans asks to put their names in alphabet.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:11 22/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.8)

    “Besides, they’ve been outsourcing to Korea for years, long before Haruhi.”

    Learn to read.

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    Comment by Lazy
    15:15 23/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Wow, look at this ignorant chode >___>

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:27 23/11/2011 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    You idiots are confused. Anon 19:21 is right, anime is a Japanese term and product. Don't get confused if the Japanese producers outsource their non-key animation to foreign countries - that does not change the end product into a Korean or Vietnamese product all of a sudden.

    That would be like saying Simpsons is a Korean animation just because the producers outsource part of the production to Korea.

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    Comment by Gitami
    08:33 24/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Quite a bit of products are designed, funded and sold by American companies but it doesn't change the stamp "Made in China" by Chinese workers.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:21 24/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    If you see his comment "japan is the only one that makes anime", in response to quote "blaming korea for making animation horrible" which was in response from the article where a 2ch member stated "outsourcing animation to korea is when it became horrible".... it would seem you are the confused one. ಠ_ಠ;;

    On the other interesting note I didn't know korea animated for simpsons, does that go for futurama too?

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:45 22/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    I really don't see Haruhi as a "Type B" kind of show. It's very smartly written, and most episodes (especially those based on the first novel) have a reasonably complex plot backed by a fascinating mythology.

    It's not the show's fault if some people love it only because of its moe/harem aspects. I still think it was the best show of 2006, and one of the best shows of the '00s overall.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:02 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    I Agree 100%. How dare they use TMOHS as a scapegoat for the plague of bad animes!

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    Comment by GTR
    14:41 22/11/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    The problem is that Haruhi was really head-and-shoulders above the rest in quality (not to mention it also pioneered new technologies used in that "Hare Yukai" dance) when it came out, and that it made others look mediocre or crap. Other studios would have to basically gamble with their limited resources to match Kyoto Animation's quality.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:43 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm sure he's not blaming Haruhi only and might be angry at Hirano Aya that's why he targets Haruhi

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    Comment by GodMan
    15:42 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    If Haruhi wishes it, then so be it, its not her fault that her anime is AWESOME.

    Whatcha gonna do 'bout it!?

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:59 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I agree man (about Haruhi), but because of its popularity more and more poorly done moeblobs started to come out, and that's probably what these people are trying to say.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:49 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I agree completely. A lot of people don't really understand me when I say this (and it's probably going to make me sound like a pretentious douche or something) but I find Haruhi to be a really thought-provoking anime. On the surface it seems fairly straightforward, and on that level alone it's an enjoyable story, but there is so much going on under the surface that it took me repeated watches to really understand.

    I actually strongly dislike the most "moeblob" character (Mikuru) but I feel like she was written specifically to be disliked. She could be moe and halfway competent. Instead she's moe and completely useless, unless they run into some kind of alien that has hypersensitive hearing so she can wail it to death. But I even find her interesting as a character because of the questions surrounding her older self's involvement, and (depending on whether you trust Itsuki's word or not) how much of her incompetence may or may not be an act.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:45 23/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    i forgive Mikuru for everything. no, not because she's pretty.
    imagine this: you're assigned to observe a rare being, potentially dangerous if provoked.
    you're given specific orders to not interfere or interact with this being, as precaution.
    and then out of the blue not only the subject of your observation notices you, it jumps right at you and socialize openly with you, a thing which you were strictly forbidden to do.
    Mikuru Asahina is Dr. fuckin Emmett Brown dude. everytime i see her troubled face i think she's like "Great Scott! this could have serious repercussions in future events!"

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    Comment by TFish
    16:46 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    I have no idea why so many people think it was amazing. I watched it, and thought nothing more than "meh" towards it the entire time.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:05 22/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.7)

    For me it was the character of Kyon. His lenghty mental monologues(acted with excellence by Sugita Tomokazu) and his reluctant and sarcastic approach to his role as the anchor that keeps Haruhi from going (more) batshit insane.

    Some of the story elements are very interesting, like Haruhi's ignorant omnipotence and so on.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:20 23/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    For me, Haruhi was the anime that got me into seriously following anime.
    The emotional subtext is just beautiful, and frankly, "Someday in the Rain" is the most beautiful episode of any show I've seen ever.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:58 23/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    well, at least the first season was amazing for turning some boring books into a series full of plot tweeests. the broken timeline trick was so great that Lost copied it (not)
    that's something.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:36 24/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    It had a charm to it that screamed greatness. That, along with such a fluidly animated OP and ED, made it one of my favorites. And I've been following anime for a bit of time.

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    Comment by cats2
    19:08 22/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Seeing Black Lagoon in their examples...kind of pisses me off..

    Is this how the k-on moe-blob fans feel?!

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    Comment by Lycopene
    13:35 22/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.5)

    Ridiculous. This is the dumbest thing I've heard. Dumber than those crazy seiyuu otaku freaking out over their seiyuu obsessions having sex.

    First off, anime nowadays looks fantastic. Beautiful.

    And there ARE good—even GREAT—anime today. As well as moeblob awesomeness.

    We get a bit of both. Which is a good thing.

    Shut up, you crazy otaku.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:31 22/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Only the top quality anime in the past are still remembered until now, and people tend to forget that there were tons of crap anime in the past too.

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    Comment by Actar
    18:01 22/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.5)

    Brilliant comment here. What's important is CHOICE, in that there is something for everyone, from Slice-of-life to Action to Drama to Harem to Comedy...

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:14 23/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    lol choice. 90% of anime nowadays is moe fanservice crap.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:53 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Agreed, these guys are idiots. I'm definitely not a fan of plotless and generally pointless anime (basically the definition of all moe-blobs), but Haruhi wasn't the cause of its recent surge. All they've shown in their so called "thesis" is correlation, but absolutely no evidence pointing to causation. These otaku are noob trolls... FUCK'EM UP GOOOD.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:54 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Before, shitty anime used to be your generic "good Vs Evil" shounen show, and fanservice-ridden anime were seen as golden (Who remembers Agent Aika?). Nowadays, is the other way around, I guess?

    And the true guilty of this is K-On; not Haruhi. Ever since that show started is when the moeblob craze went out of control.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:01 11/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, lol. Though there are really special shounen shows there. Moeblobs can be good too...if they had substance.

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    Comment by Gitami
    08:43 24/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I vaguely recall the moeblob term used before Haruhi. I wonder what it used to refer to.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:38 23/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I thought Lucky Star was the guilt of all these moeblob shows.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:16 23/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    You do realize that only one "crazy otaku" (as you put it) made this claim?

    And that 3/4 of the thread is bashing his opinion?

    Seriously, the racism in Amerikkka is as bad or worse than Japan and Korea.

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    21:16 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I have to say that I don't think recent anime has gone completely to shit. As a recent example, Fate Zero is a tv series and looks as good as many (maybe even most) high-budget 1990s OVAs and it has high-tier voice actors/actresses.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:02 25/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fate Zero destroys most Anime in terms of animation and looks especially Anime from the 1990s.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:14 23/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    They disagree with me therefore they are crazy otaku?

    FACT: Larger percentage of anime nowadays caters to moe fanservice otaku. Funny you call them crazy otakus when you're defending shit like Queen's Blade and that Deformed Oppai anime. That is truly shit.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:34 23/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lycopene, that would be be true if all you cared about was how anime LOOKED, but their are other things like story/concept, characterization, plot, music, etc.

    It's entirely possible for anime to suck while looking better than past anime. In fact, it should be EXPECTED for anime to look better since technology improves as time goes on, so basing a defense on that is a cop out - "SEE? Anime hasn't suffered! It LOOKS better!"









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