“How To Make Your Daughter Love You” = “Bathe With Her”

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Japanese girls who bathe with their fathers for longer are much more inclined to love them in later life, surveys suggest.

The survey quizzed Japanese on their bathing habits, and its findings regarding “papafuro” (“papa bath”) girls attracted particular attention.

Of those women who reported bathing with their father regularly as a child, 71.9% reported they “love their father,” as opposed to only 48.7% of those who never bathed with their father.

Children (of either sex) who reported bathing with their father until they were older also apparently enjoyed more involved relationships with their fathers – 44.2% of those who bathed with their father from ages 9 to 15 sought work related advice from their father in later life, as opposed to only 27.9% of those who only bathed until age 8 or less.

It is common for Japanese fathers to bathe with their adolescent daughters, although attitudes vary from those who consider it perfectly natural to those who think it a bit creepy – not least the misanthropic legions of 2ch:

“Westerners: ‘This is child abuse!’”

“One of my colleagues kept bathing with her father until she left high school. Honestly, I thought that was a bit creepy.”

“Bathe alone if you’re in elementary school!”

“At 15 I think it would be more of a problem for papa…”

“Papafuro… who makes up these phrases!?”

“I hear there are women in their twenties who still share toothbrushes with their fathers and families. Really it depends on the family.”

“There are a lot of people who are dependent on their fathers around, but you don’t hear nearly as much fuss about it as with those dependent on their mothers. Honestly, both are just as creepy.”

“If you somehow got an erection it would be extremely problematic so I’d never do it.”

“How would you explain that away?”

“So how old is too old for papafuro?”

“Generelly you’d stop once they started growing hair?”

“7′s the limit!”

“I bathed with my father until 13. I love and respect him.”

“I bathed with him until year 5 of elementary school I stopped when my hair and breasts started to grow, but I still bathe with mother even now.”

“My daughter refused to bathe with me starting at age 4 so I have no problems there…”

“You’d be arrested for doing it at any age in the USA. Cultural differences are scary stuff.”

“Tell a yank and you’d probably get beaten up.”

“Americans would just treat you as a pedophile and lock you up. I don’t know about other countries though.”

“My daughter is in the first year of middle school, we bathe together and share a bed. But she’s annoyed by lifting her skirt in the living room – you cannot understand the female mind.”

“Our daughter always picks papa when offered a choice between bathing with mama or papa… but she’s only 3.”

“Are there even any men out there who would be turned on by the sight of their own flesh and blood naked though?”

“This is just promoting incest and child abuse!”

“You lot would be grossed out by bathing with your mothers though, right?”


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    Comment by cats2
    20:28 17/11/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    HHH episode 3 pops into my mind immediately, along with 329432948329 h-doujins, heh....

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:57 20/11/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    i am ashamed to say i know what you mean

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    Comment by jellayrei
    00:29 18/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.7)

    This sounds like a bad case of correlation implies causation. It sounds like to me that fathers that bathe with their kids probbably also happen to be more family oriented/involved in their kids lives and therefore enjoy better relationships.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:01 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    That's part of it, but there's more to the causation than you think. Being at ease in such intimate circumstances cannot help but foster deep trust, and deep emotional bonding.

    Sexual self-consciousness often begins a separation in parent / child relationships - especially that of father / daughter; their emotional bond is weakened.

    It would make sense that the longer papafuro continues, the longer the emotional bond has to strengthen - especially important in the adolescent years. The result, then, is a deeper and stronger than average emotional bond.

    Of course, any perving implodes the above hypothesis.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:17 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    This x10

    Though that's really just the title, the summary acknowledges this.

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    Comment by Roy
    11:03 21/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    ~~~

    Media / Television can turn anything and everything into some kind of voyeuristic Perversion.

    Stupid Ad Revenue, Screwing everything up. Cr@p!

    Triti

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:47 17/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.7)

    "bathe with your daughter" and the first things came up to these people's minds are pedophile & incest? Humanity surely has degraded a lot

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    Comment by yuriphoria
    00:38 18/11/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Given the OP picture it's inevitable.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:38 18/11/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Yup, if you show an ugly father and daughter then no one would blink an eye. But show a loli then you get raging boner while reading this because you think of some weird ero game.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:20 18/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Agreed Lol. But also for the fact that SanCom put it here. They want us to think "incest" and we click the news. Even though its just some statistics. Lol

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:43 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The first thing that came to 2ch's mind was pedophilia and incest. No one from the US actually commented on it until they said something. Are you that much of a sheep to think 2ch knows all about the US?

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    Comment by kajunbowser
    08:09 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Incest or reverent respect... which one would you think is the definition of "love" in this story?

    Comment by Anonymous

    You have to understand that no westerners actually commented on this, merely their speculations of what one would say.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:27 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    And Japan has some weird fucking speculations about..... anywhere that isn't Japan.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:52 21/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol yes I could see that happening it must suck to be a pervert with a hot daughter.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:54 17/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    In time they are going to discover the difference between male and female.If you have a hot horney daughter you need to stop sooner or you mighjt find yurself into Incest like the Japanese who do it daily I'm told.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:15 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is true.

    I mean, i'm from the US and I bathed with parents and my siblings until I got into elementary school or so.

    I don't find anything wrong with bathing with a parent of the opposite sex.

    OF course when you get older it's a bit harder for men I assume because if you get a boner randomly.
    How does one proceed from there?

    /Also I'm a dude.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:16 18/11/2011 # ! Drivel (-0.8)

    These are the first things that came up because of Japan's history with incest topics.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:39 18/11/2011 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    Your English writing and grammar has degraded a lot as well.

    I like how you speak of humanity in the 3rd person as if you were excluded. Oh wait, are we now excluding inbred English mangling troglodyte twatfaces? Nevermind, go right ahead.

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    Comment by Ryuhouji
    13:48 18/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    You're using words you don't understand, yourself. You shouldn't do that... it's bad for your health... you'll grow scales, matted fur and horns as well as develop a hoarse and deeply raspy voice. Commonly called "Trollitis".

    bahahahahaah.

    That is all.

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    Comment by Ryuhouji
    01:17 19/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    One of the great things about being me... Your pathetic trolling doesn't bother me in the slightest. There is nothing you can say that would anger me, because you are a fleeting existence on the massive thing called Internet. Very soon, I will forget about this, and only you will be sad.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:47 19/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    @ Ryuhouji 01:17

    Actually, you keep responding in spite of the futility, so I'm more than happy. You obviously care enough to write comment after comment. The internet might be massive, but this site isn't, so I'm sure I'll eviscerate your lame pussy ass again soon.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Huh? Let's see - matted fur, horns, hoarse and deeply raspy voice... OH I GET IT! You're describing your sexual preferences!

    The real humor is your pathetic stab at an insult. You are lame.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:13 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    You feel better about yourself, after that comment, sir?

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:24 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes thank you. I always feel better shitting on you disgusting fist humping fags.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:00 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    a fail troll is a fail

    Comment by Anonymous

    a dumb shit is dumb.

    And unoriginal.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:41 17/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.7)

    I think this sort of thing would create a unique bond between a father and daughter.

    Comment by Anonymous

    that bond is called "incest".

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    Comment by Chance
    17:46 17/11/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    only if said father has intercourse with his daughter, if they are just bathing then nothing is wrong

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    Comment by Yoshii Akira
    19:36 17/11/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    But Yoshii-kun, you refuse to bath / kiss or any skinship with Nee-san.
    Hidoi desu Aki-kun, did you hate your Nee-san that much.

    Nee-san will await something more interseting like
    "How to make your brother love you ..."

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    Comment by HouseLife
    21:06 17/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.7)

    @Yoshii Akira

    Oh no way in hell you deserve a downvote for that awesomeness! Someone here is just plain stupid.

    As for the topic at hand... really I do wish we had this type of thing in our culture again. I don't have any research on the subject, but I wonder if, since our public baths seem to have had their origins in Greco-Roman times, and because our public baths were shut down as AIDS hubs a few decades ago, that public bathing has just been demoted to being synonymous with perversion for our culture.

    If we re-introduced it now, our generation wouldn't be able to see it as non-sexual. It would take us spearheading the effort to bring it back to make it a normal thing a couple generations from now. In the interim, there would probably be a lot of sexual issues and misunderstandings caused by the practice probably, since being nude around one another in the US rarely has any other context than sex anymore.

    All I know is family bonding is something every culture needs more of, no matter how it's achieved. I have yet to meet another person who can say they love their family without some kind of "but..." following the statement.

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    Comment by Yoshii-kun
    18:37 17/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.7)

    Its skinship, and it does improve the parent-child relationship, extending towards mothers as well.

    It doesn't just have to be in the bath but in other activities as well such as sports and recreational stuff. What's important is that parents actually spend time with their children, which I think many kids these days aren't getting enough at a younger age.

    And
    >"Make Daughter Love You"
    More like have a closer bond with parents, since I already love my mom and dad.

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    Comment by Ota-Kool
    02:04 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Pedobear said I wish.I had daughters, I only have are sons.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:00 17/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    If my sweet daughter NEEDED sex and came on to me I would teach her everythinng she needs to know,and satisfy her every way she wanted or needed me. It happens all over the world. Why get so up tight about what two people who love each other want from each other?

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:11 19/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    @ TNinja: Big Mama's House?

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    Comment by TNinja
    01:37 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    "How would you explain that away?"

    Me: "It's my flashlight."

    Props for those who know where this line originates from.

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    Comment by Satonaka
    05:37 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    @ HouseLife

    No worries, I upvoted it as well, should be +1.0 soon :D

    She was an awesome character and they gave her quite the awesome voice in the english version, was pleasantly surprised by a good turnout in the eng dub.

    Can't wait for season 2 in english, gotta add to my collection :D

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:17 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I bet all you anons who call incest are butthurt with jealousy that fathers get to view teen girls in their birthday suit.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Bathing at a young age with family members is no big deal. But up into your teens? Yeah, that father has some incestual thoughts.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:06 18/11/2011 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    Nah, it's still incest.

    You can dress it up anyway you want or justify it by adding frilly pedo defense mechanisms, but the fact remains - it's WRRRRRROOOOONNGGGG.

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    Comment by yaku
    18:40 17/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.5)

    Not at all, sharing everyday basic-needs experiences (grooming, bathing, spa related activities, cooking, etc) does strengthen bonds between people. It's all about spending time together in relaxing or comfortable situations. I personally don't see anything bad with bathing with your parents; the problem that some people have is that there are deviants out there who are crazy AND have offspring and might take advantage of them, and that's where fucked up laws and witch-hunt thinking starts to get nosy.

    Avatar of cuppatea@yahoo.co.jp
    19:58 17/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Well put. I wonder if Americans aren't body/sex obsessed - they tend to think of everything in sexual terms.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:41 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Those of you who seem to be implying that men can turn off sexual reactions to a womanly body just because it's his daughter are either really stupid or really naive or both.

    Even if a man doesn't want to have sex with his daughter it is a natural physical reaction to get turned on by a young woman's body. And regardless of intent that's when things get inappropriate and they shouldn't be bathing together. I doubt it will be good for a young woman's psyche to know her dad gets a boner for her.

    If it's a child then it is FINE. Most Americans think it's fine to bathe with your child. You'll rarely find people in reality who disagree. The fact that all of you are thinking Americans find it incestuous because 2CH SAID SO are acting like ignorant, retarded sheep.

    You won't find many families embracing bathing together in the US, not because of nudity issues or pedophilia, but because the majority of bathtubs in the US aren't made for it, and the majority of people in the US shower. Simple explanation that has nothing to do with pedophilia.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:11 19/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    to the anon who said that u.s. bathtubs aren't made for two people.

    you are a complete retard.

    the bathtubs that the average japanese familly have are astronomically smaller than the normal sized tub in america, so your theory is nearly as idiotic as you are.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:14 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't know why everyone is painting Japan as a country who would do this innocently. Everything we know about them says otherwise.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Its one of those things it depends on the person. Most of America yes they are like that. Stupid kind of runs rampant over here.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:16 18/11/2011 # ! Drivel (-0.7)

    @ Cuppatea

    You are one dumb fucking twatface. Let's just conveniently forget Japan's incredibly "inventive" pornography industry and hentai culture, shall we? I mean, we can't have logic stand in the way of your incredibly general statement about millions of Americans get in the way, can we?

    Let's also pay no mind to the fact that civilization has been obsessed with sex ever since the dawn of humanity. But only America is guilty of it - riiiight.

    Dumbfuck.

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    Comment by Heigen
    19:47 17/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.3)

    It's called skinship.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:12 18/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.7)

    Lol at Anon. He's got parent problems.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:17 18/11/2011 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    Sure, but outside of lame disgusting circles of otakudom, it's called INCEST.

    You fucking closet dwelling fist humpers.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:54 17/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    In the eyes of us Americans, its mainly after age 5 that you'd have to let them bathe on their own. By then they should be able to wash themselves properly.

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    Comment by SaltyPenguin
    18:02 17/11/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    Yep, I've never bathed with either of my parents really. My mom just washed my hair and kept me from drowning till I could do it on my own.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:00 17/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.8)

    In countries with advanced sauna culture (Finland, and... err... Finland) it is quite common for families to bathe together regardless of age. Relatives aren't usually thought of as things to put yer cock in around 'ere and thus it is a non-issue.

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    Comment by yaku
    06:33 18/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    @04:15 I agree that Americans don't necessarily need to change their bathing habits (in fact there are many ways of bonding and skinship besides bathing), but from the general feeling I get from the comments is that it's a shame that in USA sharing a bath or bathing at all carries a perverted stigma when it really shouldn't since it's part of a daily grooming routine.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:38 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    >But my biggest complaint about the comments is that people are assuming that the US is the one with the problem simply for not sharing a custom that other countries share.

    Yes, YOU have the problem. Fucking YOU.
    Those comments from 2ch do not even suggest you to adapt. They offer critic for your criminalization attempts. Huuuge difference.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:08 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    IN Russia and other countries where they got some absurdly cold winters, there are some traditions about taking hot baths togherter...and Im saying just father,mother,son, daugher here, im sayign the whole damn family: cousins,aunts, grandparents and such...in some small communities they fgo even farther...nothing sexual about...

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:46 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    @6:33
    It's not the bathing together that carries a stigma, it's the ages implied. A teenage girl should not be bathing with her father. Regardless of whether or not the man in the bath is her father, he's still a man, and seeing a womanly form will have inappropriate results.

    If we're talking about children, then I see absolutely no problem with it.

    But my biggest complaint about the comments is that people are assuming that the US is the one with the problem simply for not sharing a custom that other countries share. And then if we don't do it a certain way there are all sorts of negative issues associated with it when the reality is that children in the US are expected to be independent at a young age, AND that bathing is usually seen as a way of getting clean rather than relaxing. It doesn't mean that everyone associates bathing together with something perverted.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:27 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    "c'mon.... and u always comparing with US culture? where's the other?"

    ....................What?

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:41 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    c'mon.... and u always comparing with US culture? where's the other?

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:15 18/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Everyone is trying to say that the US should do it because other countries do it. Just accept that other countries are different and move on. If you have problems being close with your family then there is more going on than the fact that you don't bathe together.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:53 21/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    ONLY IF YOU'RE AN INCESTOUS BASTARD... There's nothing wrong with bathing with your kids.. It's all innocent unless... That's right, an incestous bastard.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:31 17/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    LOL to right

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:03 17/11/2011 # ! Drivel (-0.8)

    it'll be great if people like you never have a daughter, because the only thing which come into your mind about "bathing with daughter" is incest

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:31 18/11/2011 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    not really . There was some research on incest in the japan and rates are rather high , especially between mothers and sons .

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    Comment by TFish
    05:49 18/11/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    That's not because of the bathing culture though.









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