ASIMO vs PETMAN: “Japanese Robots Are A Joke!”
- Categories: Japan, News
- Date: Nov 8, 2011 18:49 JST
- Tags: Comparison, Honda, Mecha, Military, Robots, Technology, USA, Video Gallery
Japanese are aghast at how pathetic their nation’s robotic poster-child ASIMO is compared to America’s new bipedal military prototype PETMAN.
For those not yet familiar with PETMAN, Boston Dynamics’ famed bipedal testbot, the video below shows how far science can progress if only a nation has the foresight to run the world’s largest weapons development programme:
The video caused quite a stir the world over, and in Japan a variety of unfavourable comparisons to Honda’s apparently pointless eternal prototype android Asimo were made, although the fact most of the videos were 10 years old spared it too much criticism.
“This thing makes Asimo look like a toy.”
“Compare to Asimo. This is real bipedal locomotion. Over 5 times faster, capable of running. In ten years it will be complete. The country they send this machine into will be doomed.”
“It still has wires on it!”
“Those are just to prevent damage if it falls over in a test?”
“It can do push-ups! It’s hardening its body!”
“It is a lot less creepy than I thought it would be.”
“Asimo is just a bunch of programmed tricks for entertainment. The possibilities of something like this, based on actual reflexes, are so much greater.”
“Japan is only developing them for industrial or welfare use. This is clearly military. And their government is clearly pouring huge amounts of money into it, so it’s no surprise development proceeded so quickly.”
“I thought they stopped working on Asimo in 2007 in any case.”
“Machines built for war really exude bloodlust don’t they?”
“I’m a little sad that Japan has been so badly beaten in a field it is supposedly dominant.”
“Meanwhile, Japan is busily making fembots.”
“In 10 years these will be maidbots and osanajimibots. You’ve won!”
There is probably something to the realisation that human expenditure on sex dwarfs expenditure on military activity (and, indeed, just about everything else), and that most men could probably be persuaded to take out a mortgage several times that on their house in order to own a robotic sex slave.
However, with impeccably poor timing, Honda has decided to unveil a demo of the latest version of Asimo – perhaps in a futile effort to upstage PETMAN:
This is apparently the first publicised update in 4 years, so the timing is certainly suspicious.
In an effort to produce something useful, Honda has also been flaunting a boring robotic arm it says it developed for use cleaning up the nation’s stricken reactors (embarrassingly, Japan had no robots capable of such work and at one point ended up using American packbots).
However, given that Tepco has been able to freely and cheaply sub-sub-sub-contract the poor and destitute to work amidst the radioactive remains of the prefecture it ruined by the simple expedient of sacking them after a day’s rad exposure, it seems this may be a hard sell.
Unfortunately for Honda, few discussions of Asimo manage to get far without the embarrassing Asimo tumble video being trotted out:
Compare to the famous videos of Boston Dynamics’ military robo-packdog BigDog smugly prancing around in the mud and being mercilessly kicked, abuse it is hard to imagine Asimo surviving intact:
Even Asimo’s latest iteration is proving embarrassing to the Japanese, supposedly the world-leaders in robotics:
“Maybe now it can manage a flight of stairs.”
“It’s good, but if they don’t actually work out a way of selling this they are going to be overtake.”
“Stop messing around and make a useful robot already!”
“It can probably play DDR, but without mobility and judgement it’s useless.”
“After the quake, the illusion that Japan is some kind of robot heaven was totally shattered.”
“What ever happened to Aibo?”
“It’s a waste of time if they can’t put this to military use. Just a hobby, not something a corporation should wasting its time on. They should hurry up and sell it to the Yanks whilst it’s still worth something.”
“I feel sorry for the person inside.”
“They’ve been blown away by Boston Dynamics so now they are trying to save face by loading it with junk features like sign language, aren’t they?”
“Are you PETMAN lovers trolling? The technology is on totally different levels, Asimo’s is 20 years old.”
“It would be perfect if they could actually load an AI onto it.”
“Hurry up with the sex robot.”
“These two robots have totally different development objectives.
People say Asimo is nothing like a human, but it’s actually really close. Its way of walking is said to be close to how a person walks when they are trying to avoid spilling an unsteady cup of water.
If you were serving a table, pushing a wagon or leading a child or old person by the hand, that’s how you’d need to make a robot walk.
PETMAN isn’t designed with that in mind at all at the moment. Its designed to make fast and forceful progress through the rough outdoors.
That’s why it’s meaningless to compare the two.”
“Honestly, I think Honda has got carried away with the romance of the thing.”
“So America makes military robots. Japan’s making them for… why? Communication? Nursing? To be friends? I’m not sure if this is more like Honda or Japan.”
“Its movements are quite intricate though. It’s impressive.”
“It’s getting worse and worse. It’s just repeating preprogrammed motions like some stupid Aibo.”
“Asimo is really depressing. You can see it is at its limits, whereas PETMAN is just getting started.”
“You wouldn’t send something like this to a war or disaster zone. But then, you wouldn’t use a bipedal design in those environments in the first place.”
“It is just an advertising billboard for Honda. Of course it’s useless.”













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I'm just waiting for the loli sex robots. Hopefully, I won't have to wait much longer *crosses fingers*
I'll take one Yuuki Mikan sex robot please!
That'll be 999,999,999,999,999,999 yen please. Loli sex robots won't come cheap. We're a niche market, you know.
Oh, and once the sex robots are finally out on the market, people won't give a **** about military robots anymore. We'll all be too busy having sex.
And just think about: loli has smaller body = harder to fit the parts in. I wonder how much Petman needs those wires.
I want my loli sex robot. :D
lolibots; they're all 18 [days old]
P.S. anon who has a granny fetish, you lost =)
feel free to try again though.
anon (02:47 09/11/2011), why are you using multies to downvote everyone?
granny fetish?
japan is obviously hiding the development of gundam and eva series in secret
EVAs aren't robots, idiot.
Were you even paying attention when watching Eva or do you need the Idiots guidebook for it?
EVAs are technically cyborgs.
it loss my attention when everyone suddenly turn into orange juice
I'm amazed then that you were able to watch it for that far into the series then given your apparent low IQ.
I do applaud you for trying something out of your comfort zone of Pokemon, Digimon, and Bakugan though.
I'm amazed that you take the troll seriously
*Troll Succession Achievement Unlocked*
PETMAN + KINECT = G GUNDAM
In the end, they are going to be mass-produced in China.
Exploding robots!
You know how it's going to be;
The US gets mass produced quality robots for military purposes from China with little problem.
While China hands out the failbots during production to it's own citizens which will end up exploding sooner or later.
All the while the big wigs smoking a fat cigar are sat in an office reclining chair going "Profit? *Mr Burns pose* Excellent."
Japan is still a robot heaven, it's just the vast majority of their robots are arms welding doors on to cars and stuff like that.
So the US makes a robot...
Time for Japan to move on to cyborgs.
Actually, considering all the I.E.D. victims, that's one tech field that the US is also heavily involved in.
And the current generation of cybernetic limb replacements are light years ahead of what was previously available. Meaning a significant restoration of living standards to the recipients.
Actually being able to hold a glass or a mug, while you pour liquid into it. Might seem mundane, but if you only have one biological arm left, than it's a great thing to get back.
Cyborgs are actually a step down in technology, being only semi-robotic and needing no AI.
I'm not sure about that. The difficulty in merging the robotics with the human nervous system is the true challenge with cybernetics.
Robots like any machinery is predictable while the human body is incredibly complex and very unpredictable.
You can't just stick a robot arm on a person and expect it to work hunk dory.
Yeah, not to mention they can't be mass produced.
One cyborg = one human to be modified.
A real advanced robot with heat detector, sound detector, motion detector, chemical detector, AI reflexes; pawns 100 cyborgs.
Not really even the intelligence of lets say a dog is light years ahead of any computer you can fit inside a robot if fact it's more then a bluegene super computer which fills several rooms.
A cyborg for now would be far more capable then a robot.
In fact an operational care giver robot could likely end up being teleoperated by humans in a country with low wages such as India or Mexico.
or vat grown tissue over endoskeleton
asimo is about 11 years old and 2chers are comparing it with modern robot mechanics? =.=
20:32
Not exactly. If you didn't know the US military is known to be very secretive... and technology that the public sees is decades old already.
Just have to say... OWNED.
Do you REALLY believe that, if they started ASIMO development recently it'd be almost as advanced as PETMAN?
Well, think again - the money military R&D facilities receive is like 20 times (not actual data) Honda's entire budget. A private company can't develop something this advanced, simply because they don't have that amount of cash, and investing everything they have into robot development would lead to imminent bankruptcy, because no individual would be able to purchase a robot this advanced for private use.
Besides, imagine the maintenance costs on PETMAN or BigDog...
Robots like Petman will be out of reach for any private entity until technology used to produce them becomes cheap and commonly used.
Trivia time:
USA's fighter planes were equipped with CPUs which were WAY more powerful than what the general public could use at homes (talking about way back in the day when 1 GHz clock rate was still out of reach, don't know about the present) - why? Military R&D facilities had more cash than CPU manufacturers. Simple as that.
That's what disturbing me. It's like saying Bay's Transformers movies are superior than the Beast Wars saga 15 years ago just because of the CGI factor.
...
Wha...?
Do you always frame concepts in your mind with Transformers analogies?
I'd love to see you small talk the ladies.
It's okay, he switched to pokemon. Not quite there yet, but keep trying, why not.
So, you're saying PETMAN and BigDog are actually inferior to a plastic toy that can't even climb some stairs?
Nope, I'm saying that comparing something that's produced on different ages and bashing the older one for being less advanced are really something stupid to do. I have no argument that PETMAN may have vivid superiority than ASIMO (and how Japan seems to be too pre-occupied in doing fancy robots) but when people started to argue this stuff loudly in a double standard way, I see nothing but two kids physically fighting over which Pokemon is stronger.
I know how you feel its like a guy having sex for the first time but then realizes it as man he had sex with.. =_=
So when you say "I know how you feel", you are implying you have personally been in the position where you had sex for the first time then realized afterwards you fucked a man?
That's brave, man, letting that skeleton out of the closet. Bravo.
You should calm down, man.
so that bigdog, can it play fetch.
go on boy fetch that grenade
BANG!!!!
BAD DOG!
I don't know. I really like the bigdog. I will have that guy around to carry all my groceries and all the furniture parts I bought from IKEA. And if it can play fetch, brilliant!
However, the bigdog is going to cost me an arm and a leg.
Seriously, think how the BIGDOG could benefit your daily life.
It could be both a helper and a coffee table!
In 50 years you could imagine smaller slimmer descendents of this technology serving as guides for blind people or furniture movers.
Just imagine the FEDEX delivery robot!
PETMAN is actually designed to test body armor and soldier uniforms by simulating the interior humidity and temperature of clothing in contact with the human body. The challenges involved in making an untethered version for direct combat purposes or industrial uses are considerable, but not insurmountable. In order to get any range out of it, it would need some type of high-density power source.
Like BigDog, it uses hydraulics, so it needs a hydraulic pump. Electric motors with a sufficient power-to-weight ratio to drive the hydraulics on something like this are hard to come by, which is why the BigDog uses a two-stroke pump/dynamo power assembly that makes it sound like a chainsaw being carried around by someone with Parkinson's disease.
Look at the brushless DC motors (e.g. in electrical vehicle) and you'll find insane power-to-weight ratio.
It is not the Electric motors power-to-weight ratio, but rather the power source energy density is the determining factor. Liquid fuel still packs a lot more energy than any non-nuclear power source that the robot can carry.
The problem with liquid fuel becomes a weight and capacity issue.
The more fuel you want to extend operating range, the more weight you add, leading to diminishing returns.
i always wonder why they bother with bipedal robots in the first place. sure, it's cool, but some spiderbot can't fall over and break as easily
Acceptance by the user.
Lots of folks find insects unpleasant, and there will already be a natural hesitance towards robotic development anyway, due to the Luddite component.
Having them be humanoid makes them less threatening for some reason. Especially, considering the forms used by the Japanese to achieve this.
They also can't get back up as easily after being flipped over...
Make the joints fully bi-directional and tipping won't even matter anymore.
I seen a hexapod robot call Ariel that did just that.
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2002/09/rfull/robots.html
Probably as a way to circumvent the whole Neo-Luddite segment of the population.
Keep in mind that most folks don't particularly like insects. So combining scary robots + insects = the movie Runaway essentially.
By making them bumbling humanoids, you take away the threat aspect. Less the T-1000 and more C3PO.
The machines in the Matrix movies were almost exclusively non human forms as the producers wanted to make them seem alien and scary.
Though if a robot is going to be roaming around a cluttered environment an insect layout is one of the best forms for the job esp if you need to conserve energy.