Tokyo’s governor Shintaro Ishihara has taken a break from bashing manga to stress the need for Japan to become a military state and to develop its own nuclear arsenal, lest it be torn apart by wicked foreigners.
He made his statements in a recent press conference:
“If Japan doesn’t become a powerful military state it will certainly lose all standing in the world.”
Alluding to President Obama’s supposed desire for a nuclear free world, he responds that Japan should have its own nuclear arsenal:
“Japan should pursue them. If we wanted to we could have as many as we like. We have a mountain of plutonium.”
He also proposes that Japan should use its space program to develop missiles of its own.
Though he may be a crazed far right xenophobe addled by senility, it is hard to deny the fundamental strategic logic of his position (even if it is simply stating the obvious):
“Japan is the only nation in the world to be so closely surrounded by hostile nuclear powers intent on seizing its territory; North Korea, China and Russia have all made or are intent on assailing Japan.
We must consider how to oppose these powers. This is no longer an age where economic power alone will suffice.”
Amazingly, 2ch actually appears to be largely against him:
“Shut up already, you old fool!”
“As expected of the great leader the citizens of the capital (those over 40 at any rate) have chosen!”
“Nuclear deterrence is pointless unless you have nuclear subs. America will never let us have them, so end of discussion. You need to consider America making Japan into one of its hypothetical enemies.”
“If he wants a military buildup, let him do it with Tokyo’s money.”
“As expected of his excellency!”
“Did Shintaro’s howling increase the military budget one iota?
Did Shintaro’s racist remarks against foreigners decrease foreign crime at all?
He went on and on about the Olympics but in the end he had no connections and lost the bid.
He’s all talk, he should retire.”
“His arguments are as sound as ever!”
“He’s right though. China, Korea and Russia will all keep coming after Japanese territory unless opposed.”
“This is 2ch but you’re all opposing him!? Dirty left wing spies must be active here…”
“It’s because of all those filthy lolicon.”
“When Argentina invaded the Falklands in 1982, the UK crushed them in short order.
Japan has the Kuriles, Takeshima, the Senkaku isles, Tsushima, Yonagunijima, etc., etc. You have to take care of your own affairs yourself.”
“It’s pointless to have them as such a small nation. With three nukes the country would be done for. It’s best to rely on our American masters to protect us.”
“There is no way America will ever use nukes to save us.”
“They won’t use them for us, but at least they are in the background.”
“People who depend on America will end up in trouble eventually. We have to do something before that…”
“I approve of us becoming a military state!”
“Militaries cost a fortune. Although they can manage it with arms exports…”
“You can’t trust anything this guy has to say. It sounds as if he just says this stuff to drum up support amongst his conservative backers.”
“I support Isihihara!”
“This senile old fool needs to retire as soon as possible.”
“Then go ahead and build nukes in Tokyo! The citizens of the capital will be just fine with that I expect.”
“He’s right. Anyone who disagrees needs to find a successful example of a non-military developed nation to point to!”
“Nuclear arms are a last resort. First we need a normal constitution and a normal military strategy. It’s a miracle we survived this long like this when surrounded by those countries. It’s only thanks to America.”
“I want to know what Ishihara’s definition of ‘military state’ is.”
“There is no way our incompetent government is even up to the task of pursuing a nuclear arsenal. They can’t even manage a nuclear power station. And the people criticising Ishihara are not Japanese! He’s just a hawk.”
“He is no hawk or even a conservative. He’s just full of excuses with no real achievements to his name. I can’t believe there are still idiots who expect anything of this elderly plague which is ruining our nation.”
“This guy wouldn’t last 3 months as PM, would he?”
“The Great Empire of Japan was so much more proficient at statecraft. Japan has been castrated by America and made into a faggot nation – that’s the cause of all this.”
“Hurry up and die you addled old coot.”
“I like his military policies but it was pretty worrying seeing his shaking body on TV.”
“Once America goes bankrupt they’ll not be able to afford a vast military which can defend us. We need to hurry up and rearm before they collapse!”
“Military rule might be preferable to DPJ rule. But I think military types mean military control when they say ‘military state.’”
“Ishihara is no hawk, he’s just a nut. He attacks everything apart from Korea.”
“Sieg Nihon!”
“Those dirty Koreans really hate him! He’s necessary for Japan!”
“Constitutional reform, pachinko bans, nuclear armaments – he advocates it all without actually doing a single thing, that’s Ishihara in a nutshell.”
“I want to ask those Chinese just what merit they think there is in taking over a radioactive little island nation with no natural resources.”
“All these lolicon really hate Ishihara, don’t they?”
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BECAUSE BEING A MILITARY STATE WORKED SO WELL THE FIRST TIME THE JAPANESE TRIED IT. HURRRRR!
This just confirms that Ishihara has a pre-war mentality.
Ishihara is a fucking nut, it's just really troubling that he's been reelected by Tokyo voters so many times. Someones gotta get this idiot out of office.
have you seen his competition? they are more fucked than he is... he is sadly the lesser of the evils.
I can't help but think he is taking all the blame and attention for the right-winger neo nazi scum.
You know, the assholes who preach about pre-WWII Japan all day with no real job?
How about this: Make Japan as an absolute monarchy so there will be no bitching!
@04:02
Realtime communication. Your argument fails to acknowledge the implications of a very significant technological advancement with significant implications in the power structure of any organization.
Sengoku Jidai. Your argument is invalid.
The Berlusconi of Japan... re electet over and over and screw evrytime the whole country
Exactly. He wants Japan to be viewed as strong the way it was back then. He doesn't seem to realize that his old mentality won't get Japan any respect.
He's also not thinking things through. If America leaves the area there will be a shitstorm.
I've noticed that Japan are always bitching about the US military, but no one ever tries to contact Obama about it. They really are weak.
"I've noticed that Japan are always bitching about the US military, but no one ever tries to contact Obama about it. They really are weak."
Impotent old men are usually weak. Big words, no action.
The majority of Japan does not care about the US military because Okinawa is a shitty island, with shitty island people, that was only recently was even considered part of Japan. The place even has it's own language. Japanese 'red' nationalists just use it an excuse to drum up anti-US military sentiment.
I resent that... Japanese has taken many islanders under its wings. It's kind of funny how some Japanese do really think Ainu and Okinawans are 'dirty islanders'. Shame. Maybe Japanese should try a hand at acceptance and understanding, not fear and stigmatization. Even of its own people.
You may resent that, but it does not change the fact that I'm right.
well our military has a long history of fucking the japanese people over, and i don't mean war i mean out guys raping and killing locals.
i dont think anything happened recently, but its hard to close up old wounds.
and do you realy want to be protected by a nation that may or may not help you?
Japanese people are always spreading the propaganda about people in the US military raping people or committing crimes, but they completely ignore the fact that Japanese still commit more crimes against Japanese people than anyone else.
They'd rather report on the two guys in the US military raping girls than the thousands of Japanese men doing it. And their biased reporting would lead you to believe that all the crimes in Japan are committed by those two foreigners.
"When a native rapes a woman, it's more like a crime against her alone. If a foreigner does it, everyone feels much more attacked from outside."
No, only racist idiots think about it like that.
"If you're a guest in a foreign country, commiting such crimes, proves great disrespect for your hosts."
Japan is so fucking stupid. Instead of worrying about the crimes all over their country that are committed by the Japanese, they are too busy thinking about the few foreigners committing crimes because "it's disrespectful."
They need to get their priorities straight.
A rapist is a rapist. Nationality doesn't mean shit when it comes to this. They are all the garbage of the world and should be viewed as such.
The US has already proven that it will protect Japan. Do you really think no one has been threatening Japan all these decades? We've been neutralizing threats against Japan for years now. Particularly from North Korea. And the reason for having the base that close is for a FAST response to an attack.
"On February 12th, 2008 the National Police Agency (of Japan) or NPA, released its annual criminal statistics that included activity within the Okinawan prefecture. These findings held American soldiers responsible for 53 crimes per 10,000 U.S. male servicemen, while Okinawan males held a crime rate of 366 crimes per 10,000. The per capita crime rate of U.S. servicemen in Okinawa was found to be 14 percent of that of the Okinawan males."
we could never rape them enough to live up to their expectations...
I say pull out the American forces, just don't cry to them when the other Asian nations come knocking.
"You just proved, that you people have no right to be stationed in Japan (if you're American) ~ and that you're a moron."
No, I said that only racist idiots think that a rape has more or less severity based on the race of the victim or the attacker. The fact that you would even focus on race instead of justice or the well-being of the victim is disgusting. You're a horrible human being.
"The host sets the rules !
And if you're not sensitive enough on the Japanese culture, you shouldn't be there in the first place !
What does this have to do with rape? I'm starting to think you have no reading comprehension.
"Unlikely some American scum will understand this though."
And you proved that you are racist. So you've proved my entire point that you're a racist idiot. Thanks stupid!
We need to give Japan what they want and leave.
Then we can watch the rest of Asia blow them up and laugh when they cry about it.
Then we'll go help some other country and tell Japan their tiny penises don't satisfy us anymore. It'll be so NTR.
"If a foreigner does it, everyone feels much more attacked from outside.
While this is only natural, a society like the Japanese must feel even stronger about it."
No, that's not natural at all. Who cares where they are from? A human is a human and an attack is an attack.
The problem is that Japanese people allow themselves to see everything different as an attack against themselves. That's why no one can take them seriously. It makes them look stupid and weak to the rest of the world because they are always whining about someone else.
Okinawa =/= Japan
"When a native rapes a woman, it's more like a crime against her alone. If a foreigner does it, everyone feels much more attacked from outside."
'o, only racist idiots think about it like that."
i'm sure youll like it more when your cousin rapes your sister than me a complete stranger
no actually there were bunch of causes when americans stationed in okinawa military base fucking with locals . one marine abducted , raped and killed little girl . then bunch of kids nearly killed a woman on scooter by tieing a rope across the road . and once a US chopper crashed into a school , the public relationships arent very good .
>No, only racist idiots think about it like that.
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You just proved, that you people have no right to be stationed in Japan (if you're American) ~ and that you're a moron.
The host sets the rules !
And if you're not sensitive enough on the Japanese culture, you shouldn't be there in the first place !
Unlikely some American scum will understand this though.
But just a simple comparison:
If a guest comes to your home and destroys your belongings in anger...
Isn't that worse than a family member doing it ?
You'd feel like that ~ I'm pretty sure.
It's in my opinion an even worse crime if it's done by foreigners.
While the crime itself doesn't change, the mentality behind it, makes it worse.
If you're a guest in a foreign country, commiting such crimes, proves great disrespect for your hosts. When a native rapes a woman, it's more like a crime against her alone. If a foreigner does it, everyone feels much more attacked from outside.
While this is only natural, a society like the Japanese must feel even stronger about it.
So much for the imperialism movement from the bakumatsu. Its like he wants to seperate Tokyo into his own faction altogether, if they can prove that though he can be tried for treason.
He's been alive since WW2. Think about it, it's like Hitler! He was a common soldier who rose to the ranks of Fuhrer. Ishara is near that point!
haha he is as stupid as he looks the moment japan gets nukes they will be nuked by the said countries.
Yes, let's start a nuclear war, what could possibly go wrong?
What is with Japan's desire to "compete" with other countries? I mean, other countries might have a subconscious desire in some cases to compete, but truthfully people rarely think about it. Western countries generally know who their allies and enemies are, and each has its own brand of arrogance, but they don't really feel the need for that sort of obvious competitive status.
But I've seen so many reports from Japanese politicians and celebrities talking about "Japan needing to keep up with other countries" or "Japan needs to be able to compete with other countries."
It's like they are really compensating.
People are making a big deal about it here, but honestly if Japan got nukes and the US moved out, the rest of the world would shrug it off and go about their business, with no one thinking of Japan as strong or a threat. (Except for maybe South Korea who is right next door.)
ICBMs are a threat to anyone.
ICBMs with nuke warheads can have significant effects on people on the other side of the globe.
I hope he realizes that at the first sign that he's trying to rise up to become the next Hitler, he WILL be assassinated. Like anyone would take a chance with that shit again. He'll probably have a bullet in him from each country.
Ishihara is a big mouthed idiot without even 1/100 of Hitler's speaking skills. And post WW1 Germany populace was far more susceptible to nationalist bullshit than Japan today.
Also, sending assassins is not exactly the best way to build steady foreign relationships. Trying to assassinate political leaders is the best way to give some foreign power a casus belli on your ass.
@shoganai
thats what i think as well a pre-war mentalist
"This just confirms that Ishihara has a pre-war mentality."
Rather, he has been impotent since long time, and is sour about it.
"If i can`t penetrate, despite i have the money for most expensive prostitutes, nobody will...let them all young men die in the war!"
Very classic reason for most wars in history.
Wow, and this coming from Japan's biggest political puppeteer of Manga-hate. The manga-ka Ishihara hates on are vastly more in touch with their sense of reality than he is. [/IRONY]
There's not a thing he does not Hate... Maybe he's plotting to take over the world! Using Japanese Technology.
That was 70 years ago. There's no nuclear power on earth that hasn't been an aggressor at one point in time or another.
Someone please send this guy to a retirement home.
you mean to a mental hospital?
but he is beyond recovery.
He'll make fine paper door craftman
Someone please send this guy to a gas chamber home.
Fixed.
And set him free through chimney? >_<
He'll turn the old people in the retirement home into his cronies.
Blame the Japanese for being stupid enough to let this guy into office again. The old people are stupid for voting for him and young people are stupid for not speaking up.
why not just have some NEET kill him
that NEET would become a hero
He's senile alright. This will never happen.
Japan is banned from having nuclear weapons via post ww2 treaty, under explicit conditions. If they develop nuclear weapons, any nation would be immediately free to legally launch first strike, without fear of interference or retaliation from 3rd party.
Not sure about china, but north korea would certainly be more than happy to conduct some more tests on Japanese soil.
I'm happy someone knew this.
And y'know, the worst part is that the country's people is about as selective with their memory as old Ishihara. Seriously, I thought that that Japanese race as a whole was supposed to be smart, or at least pretend to be informed of the obvious.
You got to remember that in their society they think as a group, while in most English speaking country think as an individual.
I wouldn't be surprise if sooner or later the young adult may start to think like Ishihara.
I hear the nuclear meltdown went well
They have dangerous levels of radiation in the air, water, soil, food, animals, and people at the moment.
Top off the fact that the only reason the reactor didn't suffer a meltdown was because a US lead group of UN engineers inspected it and told the Japanese crew/government that they where doing everything WRONG and that it would go into meltdown if they didn't surrendered the handling of it completely.
Somehow, I don't think they could handle actual nukes when they don't seem to understand how to even run a nuclear reactor..
yeah fuckin americans afraid to screw japanese now that they've got radiation
No one is afraid of Japan. LOL
There isn't one country in the entire world who is afraid of them.
A three year old from any other country could beat up a Japanese guy.
Laugh at the Yankee Imperialists all you want, but we do have a working knowledge of all things nuke-yu-ler.
XD Best thing I've heard all week.
That's the one thing I can't wrap my head around. Japan is a heavily urbanized land of almost zero resources and possesses no positional or tactical advantage for ANY of the nations mentioned. In this day and age going after Japan or any attempt at annexing them would be a complete waste of money.
I guess they have geographical value (i.e. missile range to the US) and also technological value, especially in the heavy industries (e.g. automotive, locomotive, etc).
I doubt anyone would invade Japan for reasons beyond the political, but those reasons are good enough.
Thing is: Remember that graph that pops up on political forums showing how out of kilter US military spending is compared to the world?
It got that way because we spend money defending many of those other nations with capital military assets.
Anyone going near Japan would incite a conventional and/or nuclear armed retaliation from the US and other first world nations on the same day.
I'm a warmonger, so I wouldn't say Japan shouldn't have nukes. But what is the purpose beyond aggravating their neighbors and making it tough for the allies trying to defend them?
Even the US is calling its nuke arsenal into question. Going nuclear is the wrong direction for the wars of today.
lol, i can see ishihara name in the next C&C Red Alert series now..
Ishihara`s brain had melted long before the catastrophe in Fukushima...
I want to see some real Gundams (not just a statue). If you have real Gundams, you don't need to be nuclear armed military state.
Doesn't have a Gundam a thermonuclear battery? 'cause I don't think Japan should build a thermonuclear battery. Dunno why ...
they should try developing the GN-Drive instead,
or maybe the should develop a smaller mecha unit, like IS...
they need more Haro
Nah, IS is too small, and it's female only.
try something like Knightmare Frame or Armslave.
An IS is just magical exoskeleton. Similar things are already in development, although needless to say without flight and fancy magic shields.
I'd rather see something like Fallout power armor. A tank-infantry hybrid would be invaluable in cityscape warefare where your goal is not leveling the city to the ground.
Dibs on 00 Quanta :D
If you had read about the technology of 00 Gundam properly, you would know GN-drives are hydrogen powered fusion reactors. Therefore nuclear.
I call dibs on the Dynames!
I call Exia if they do.
Gundams have ultra compact fusion reactors.
A fusion reactor would be safer then the light water reactors Japan already has.
In theory because such a weapon is so unconventional japan probably could get away with it.
Fusion reactors are, so far, purely theoretical. We are long way from mounting them to anything remotely useful, although even if we do, it makes more sense to power military hardware with electric power and keep the precious fusion reactors somewhere safe.
Because they'll leave them next to the ocean for a Tsunami to roll through them.
Japan already has unlimited amounts of Sakuradite in Mt. Fuji.
we had godzilla though HAHAHA
Would a live action gundam movie work?
Yes, but the robots would still be 3D CG. See: Transformers.
that one failed didn't it?
Like Japan doesn't have enough trouble with nukes as it is. Ishihara and the president of TEPCO should be strapped to a nuclear warhead and shot into the sun!
Does the stupid bastard know that Aug 06 is the anniversary of the nuking of Hiroshima? Talk about sensitivity.
every time i see a thread with his name in it, i sigh...
Wonder if the Nuclear missile site is Earthquake proof and Tsunami proof. If not then just built it beside I-Shit-hara residential home...LOL
Besides, if a lot of people are hikimori WHERE the hell
is that dude gonna get the money?
If he is, he sure is gonna milk otaku like us.
Ishihara: I won't ban Loli! But there is 500% tax on these materials!
If not, he can always say it's divine punishment for manga, anime, homosexuals & the internet.
Indeed. He's a public threat. Why isn't he in a mental asylum is my concern.
every time i see a thread with his name in it, i feel like taking a dump... shitaro ishithara and all...
make loli, not nukes
More anime,less nukes
More lolis, less iShitHara.
more pedos, less nukes!!
Make fuck, not kill
There's no way Tokyo governor Ishihara's posturing will have any sway over Japan's national nuclear policy, but I can see this affecting Anti-American sentiments among Ishihara supporters.
More Lolis! Less Ishihara nuff said X3
loli cartoon's are evil but weapons of mass murder are ok ? like wtf?
I just pray that it doesnt turn out that because of ishihara, america cuts ties with japan,where it would then be at the mercy of the 3 surrounding it. if that happens, it would be the end of japan.
More fan service, more fap.
because he'll twist psychologists ideals
Research Gundam
Create Jesus Kira Yamato.
Japan will be invincible.
Why not combine loli and nuke?
How else are they going to deal with Manbearpig?
No more nukes, play the guitar!
like that communist fuck would do that
I agree with him just as long as he's the one who pilot the Jet plane filled with NUKEs! Then pilot it towards China then.........................................................KAMIKAZE!!!
CHINA...BOOOM....Chinese no more
What did u expect of turd like him?
Oldman beign senile and stubborn.
Of course he knows, that's why he's trolling...
This prick wants to bring down Japan himself. The nukes is what he will use...
He looks old enough to be gripped by senility. But I think one of the posters said it in a nutshell that if they can't even handle a measly powerplant in Fukushima, then any number of arms factories would just turn into an unecessary burden for Japan, especially when they really should be more worried about the next earthquake than neighbors across the sea that have done little more than bare their fangs for like centuries.
The country is already trying to recover its old status quo. Shouldn't they get their priorities straight? We got their backs with the earthquake disaster, and we'll help them out again if one of their neighbors act up. Japan is such a shrill, paranoid little country these days.
Which August 6th, US or Japan time?
It's 08:26 AM Aug 06 2011 in Hiroshima as I post this. The bomb was dropped at 09:15 AM Aug 06 1945. So in less than 1 hour 66 years ago approx. 140,000 people, mostly civilians were vaporized, men,women, little kids. Hundreds of thousands more have died in the ensuing years because of radiation and cancer.
On Aug 09 1945 the US did the same thing again in Nagasaki killing anther 75,000 and sickening some hundreds of thousands more.
Writing about this now is making me sick to my stomach. Fucking wars. Fucking governments.
Japanese didn't die enough for what they did in china. I'm sure China will be the first to launch a nuclear strike on Japan if it ever develope nuclear weapon program.
As long as someone aim their nuclear warhead to Beijing and shout: "Try to press the fucking button !" Japan is safe.
Fucking nukes.
but you guys kept coming at us bro, Germany surrendered a month beforehand. No nukes involved.
Seriously what else was there to do to stop the imperial army/navy taking over a whole bunch of ally nations?
Funny you don't mention the firebombing. The only thing worse about the nukes is that it was all packed into one bomb. The fire bombs killed far more people and a greater percentage of the victims were civilians. The nukes were amongst the most humane bombings of the pacific war (not that they were humane, just that they were more humane).
Fucking wars. Agreed.
Fucking governments. Agreed.
Fucking nukes. Disagreed
considering that he seems to be one of the stereotypical super conservative nationalist idiots... its not surprising to hear him say this.
however, obviously he doesnt understand things before he starts preaching non-sense. Nukes are more trouble than they are worth, plus nobody in their right mind would want to invade and control Japan, as stated, they have no natural resources, if someone did actually capture japan, the only thing they get is a ton of money that is completely worthless due to the hostile takeover, devaluing it to nothingness in the first place...
I guess all that Ishihara is doing now is pulling the "PAY ATTENTION TO ME! I want to feel relevant again..." that many old people have an urge to do even if all they do is spout stupid non-sense and becoming hate-mongers...
Ugh, I feel that this old man needs a bad fate that is worse than death!
yep i guess people just dont learn from history . japanese already experienced evils of nuclear warfare first hand , their nuclear power plants failed and caused their people even more misery . If they get nukes its the end of the world .
This post is boss