Recent efforts to ban anyone with a tattoo from visiting public beaches have seen criticism that the policy is violating the human rights of people whose only crime is against fashion.
That Japan’s many public baths and theme parks frequently impose blanket bans on anyone bearing any sort of tattoo is well known, but this summer one of Kobe’s top public beaches has gone one step further by banning anyone with a tattoo from visiting the beach.
Signs at the beach warn against “intimidating other visitors [by displaying tattoos]” and police patrol the beach looking for infractions and demanding they either cover up immediately or leave.
For obvious reasons the ban is only on tattoos exposed to public view, although it is hard to see many tattooed beach goers being satisfied with being reduced to wearing long sleeves and trousers in the midst of the summer inferno.
Along with the tattoo ban, a similar ban on “noise” and smoking on the beach is in effect.
It seems most of the warnings are not against frolicking yakuza gangsters but young people bearing modern fashion tattoos; a 33-year-old woman with small tattoos on her chest and legs complains of the police harassment, saying “I’m not littering or otherwise ill-mannered. They shouldn’t be judging on looks alone.”
A policeman stuck doing this says that “It’s like whack-a-mole, but if you keep on at them some will take notice. You just have to keep at it.”
The regulations come after visitor numbers to the typically overcrowded beach fell to 620,000 in 2010, down from 1,000,000 a decade before, with authorities saying the beach has lost its family friendliness with lots of musical events and intimidatingly tattooed young people.
However, local trade groups say the regulations will merely ruin the beach’s liberal atmosphere and drive away young people, with the chairman of one such group saying that “it seems contradictory for Kobe to promoting itself as an international tourist city open to other cultures on the one hand, and then to be banning freedom of expression in the form of tattoos on the other.”
Others claim such measures violate the human rights of those choosing to adorn themselves with tattoos, and are considering legal action.
Traditional Japanese tattoos (“irezumi”) are almost exclusively associated with yakuza – to the extent that establishments banning them indiscriminately could feel confident they had excluded the criminal elements, or at least those of them who were cunning enough to permanently brand themselves with an externally identifiable mark.
However, in recent years western style tattoos of all kinds have become increasingly popular, although blanket bans on tattoos are almost always still indiscriminately enforced against all, irrespective of the type or extent of the tattoo – or for that matter whether the bearer even comes from a nation where tattoos are considered immediate proof of criminality.
A case in point is the recent visit to Japan of the mildly inked Lady Gaga – had she attempted to visit most of Japan’s public baths, amusement parks and, now public beaches, she would have been in considerable danger of being thrown out.
Whatever the complexities arising from the collision of modern and traditional body art in Japan, 2ch is of almost one mind – people with tattoos are unwholesome deviants who deserve to be discriminated against, coincidentally an attitude the rest of Japanese society seems to harbour towards 2ch:
“People are what they look like!”
“Irezumi are proof of criminality.”
“They are just a bunch of gangsters. Ban them all. It’s scary to be near them.”
“They have them because they want people to see them like that!”
“When in Rome…”
“Seem to be lots of people who think tattoos = yakuza. Today even a salaryman could have one.”
“A normal one wouldn’t do something like that!”
“It’s not discriminating against people on the basis of their appearance. It on the basis of what’s inside.”
“That 33-year-old hag shouldn’t even be on the beach.”
“If you get caught with even a little 2-3cm one in most companies they’ll make up some other reason to force you to quit.”
“Discriminating against people on the basis of their appearance is only bad when they’re born with it.”
“If you don’t want to be considered a freak, don’t look like one!”
“Tattoos promote prejudice, they should be banned by law.”
“Aren’t people with tattoos and piercings embarrassed to be seen in some kind of primitive native fashion?”
“This isn’t a ban on tattoos, it’s a ban on idiots who have tattoos.”
“They’re banned in most onsen as well, aren’t they?”
“Why do they pick an appearance they know people will discriminate against? Is it deliberate?”
“I think this is going too far, but Japan is a country which discriminates against tattoos so they should be prepared for this.”
“Freedom to infringe the rights of others isn’t freedom at all!”
“No Japanese people of any quality get tattoos. Only idiots, people influenced by western fashions and yakuza have them.”
“What happens when foreigners have them? That lot get them all the time?”
“Hide them.”
“What if they can’t? It seems pretty poor for a city promoting itself as an international tourist destination to completely fail to take into account foreign visitors like this.”
“What are you babbling about? They aren’t normal even amongst foreigners. The ones who have them are all scum anyway.”
“No westerner of any culture would have one.”
“Try saying you have one at an interview. You’ll never get a job.”
“You can’t get life insurance with one. If they find one they can refuse to pay out.”
“I hope they drive them out of society and make them all regret ever having them!”
“I can understand with full yakuza tattoos, but with normal ones this is all blown completely out of proportion.”
“Scumbags don’t have human rights. Who do they think they are, showing these tattoos to children!”
“Of course they are banned. Average people can’t tell the difference between traditional tattoos and fashion tattoos.”
“Japan really is insular and just thinks like some senile old fool, doesn’t it?
It used to be a symbol of yakuza membership, now they are fashion symbols.
If someone decides to have one, what’s the point of all this whining about it from other people? You sound like some old hag going on about her ‘right to a good view’.”
“Culture won’t change that quickly, people have despised them for a long time. It won’t change overnight.”
“In Japan, a tattoo is an anti-social display of power. They are just going to intimidate families going to the seaside. They might be accepted in other countries, but in Japan you are just violating the right of other people not to be intimidated, and that’s unforgivable.”











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>intimidating other visitors by wearing tattoos
what the fuck japan?
this is just ridiculous
I wonder how intimidated would they be by a pack of rednecks with guns or worse yet hard core ganstas?
They would be too scared to do anything. It's the Japanese way.
They would be scared to get out of their basement's. It's the 2ch way*
there fix'd
Tattoos are synonymous with yakuza in Japan, basically. So, I guess to these people, tattoos are also inherently intimidating.
Yes, but if in Japan you see a foreigner with a small 2-3 cm fashion tattoo and think "Oh my god he's a yakuza", then you're more than retarded.
The Yakuza don't get little tattoos they usually get some huge thing that goes across their backs.
Had to wear an extra large skin-color patch on my shoulder at onsen last time I was there... one small-ish tatoo. Pain in the ass. Or wait until about 2am... which was good cuz they don't care for us smelly westerners anyway. Nice people... racist bigots... but nice people.
“Scumbags don’t have human rights. Who do they think they are, showing these tattoos to children!”
This is the same ideology that Ishihara spouts off. Way to go 2ch, now you're supporting the same type of bullshit he does. Substitute tattoos with oppai and BAM! Instant Ishithara.
My favourites are the ones that imply anyone on 2ch will ever be anywhere near a beach.
Classic comedy.
Why do you think that Ishihara was reelected again?
Japan's majority thinks like a senile old fool, just like Ishihara.
It's not Japan's majority, it's the majority of Japan that VOTES.
That's the problem. Youth of voting age, and even a good chunk of people in their 30s are disaffected and can't be bothered to vote. So you're stuck with hardly anyone but the senile old fucks and the loud and opinionated pricks doing the voting. And then everyone else wonders why opinionated senile old pricks keep getting elected.
Compared to 2ch, yes it would be better.
@ 0:16
"Japan's majority thinks like a senile old fool"
Because SanCom's way of thinking would be a totally better alternative, right? /sarcasm
erm... this is trolls, like on 4chan, dumb americans.
^example of troll
@owi2000: Truer words have never been said.
Really is amazing how tatts are discriminated upon in this day and age.
So the millions of women who wear earrings should take them off too? those are piercings too in case you haven't noticed.
Tattoos are really only for vermin without any sense of artistic taste. Like piercings.
Japan would be better off without their sort. We have enough visual pollution in the Western world without exporting it to the east.
It's the internet, what do you expect? Plenty of right-wing scum to speak out with their absurd views without fear of being reprimanded.
@ Anon 20:39
Yeah, but you know what, I wouldn't have it any other way. That what makes the internet so great, everybody's got a platform, even the assholes.
That's why governments and the dickhead politicians look for ways to control it. You just have to sift through the crap.
Some even shoot at people
pathetic japanese are even worse than the chinese, they are hypocrites and a shameful race
Exactly. I'd like to know about that ultimate negative impression which is graved into those poor children's minds.
Uhh, dude I think you should check your sarcasm filter. Just saying.
Well way to make me not want to go to Japan. I have an ankh from the Vampire: The Masquerade games, but if I'm going to get crap about it, might as well not go *shrug*. Their loss.
+internets for majority of Japan being senile fools XD.
@owi2000
“Scumbags don’t have human rights. Who do they think they are, showing these tattoos to children!”
"This is the same ideology that Ishihara spouts off."
No it's not...
@02:14 Actually yes it is. If you can't see the stunning resemblance then you need to get your brain checked. Or stop with the stupid ass double standards.
Yes it is. Forcing everybody to be "child friendly" as per some old fool's idea of "chielf friendliness", so that no one deviates from "the norm", is EXACTLY what Ishit-hare is all about.
@ 06:52
This article didn't say shit about Ishihara nor does the issue center around children.
I'm sorry that Ishihara passed a law in which pornographic material depicting school children will be kept from the eyes of the public in a country you don't even live in.
Each time you come to find out Japan doesn't really abide by the misconceptions set within your Japanese weeaboo world doesn't mean Ishihara is the culprit.
Yeah, when I was there I had to have patches put over the two tattoos I have at the public bath. But, when I went in the morning, the tape girl wasn't there, so they just let me go in anyways. Honestly, there's no way I could be mistaken for a Japanese native, so I don't see why they'd care since I'm obviously not yakuza.
Don't worry,they were just worried about your manhood's size.They have chopstick you guys got baseball bat.
@16:56
XD Aaaand YOU kind sir! Have pasta for brains, so what's your point? :/
why thankyou for complimenting my junk, Anon! I did wear the patch on my shoulder, but was also sure to use the extra wide "shame" towel too (aka the "Italian Special").
retarded, retarded everywhere...
what's next? banning fat people?
Goodbye to a large portions of the populace X3
in more ways than one
Fat is more unhealthy to beachgoers than tattoos.
Watch this draguer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF0lCUPrvb0
They already are.
LMAO!
If they think those people are fat the should come to the US and see the brontosaurs grazing here!
The only thing fat in that report was Kyung Lah's big mouth. Can't stand that pretentious cow.
@ Anon 04:26
It clearly exists as a metaphor so.....
STFU!! and stop trolling!
They mentioned this on Adult Swim years ago when it started...
Fred and Barney ate Bronto burgers so they must have existed. ;)
And the education system is clearly win if someone still thinks there was a dinosaur called a brontosaurus.
Dude, that was harsh.
Those should've been banned first.
"in Japan you are just violating the right of other people not to be intimidated, and that’s unforgivable"
People can be intimidated by all things existing or imagined. Personally I find women in bikini, who're less 100kg intimidating, ban them from beaches! Actually, ban everyone except me and my friends.
Or, no.
Dude don't bother.
That makes absolutely no sense to me. Right to not be intimidated? That is so beyond my understanding of logic that...
Yeah don't bother, that was just a amazingly stupid quote.
Those who didn't learned to swim feel intimidated by water... are japanese going to ban the sea from beaches?
I know yakuza are scum etc, but can't you really be with them in the same beach? I thought they behave pretty well publicly. Like mototrcycle gang members, they don't start shit without reason. Japan, grow up. Btw what about piercings? Those are far more ugly.
I don't think people that are too fit should be able to go to the beach either.
I feel they will make fun of fat people/kids, knock over their sand castles, and kick sand in their eyes.
Damn you non-fat/pasty people!!
The police in Japan are all pussies and won't do anything about Yakuza who are in public places. So really they are only going after people who don't deserve it. Also this is just another way to get less foreigners to visit.
Conservative idiots doing their best to tank the tourism economy despite the fact it can help a stagnant economy.
lets remember than tattoos have a criminal history in japan (hundred of years), criticizing a culture without knowing them is ignorance.
I spent a good part of my life in Japan, but nice try dumbass.
Living there is how I got to know that the Japanese rarely do anything to yakuza out of fear of retaliation, and 98% of the time it's innocent people with tattoos (and an assload of foreigners) who are targetted.
Learning about Japan from the internet isn't working for you.
@ 01:38
Interesting statement that last one, it's interesting cause it works both ways. Let's look at some of those responses.
- What are you babbling about? They aren’t normal even amongst foreigners. The ones who have them are all scum anyway.”
- No westerner of any culture would have one.
Hmm those fit pretty well with that sentence don't you think. How many miljons of westerns you think have atleast 1 tatoo of any size? My country alone it's already in the miljons. So let's just remember that stereotyping and plain discriminating out of fear and ignorance is retarded no matter where you come from.
I live in France, country with a lot of beaches.
Here no bans on Tatoos and our children aren't traumatized at all.
I didn't know until now about this blanket ban on all tatoo in public places in Japan. That's so stupid.
Don't you know? No one likes France.
- Ignoring where you live,
- just because children in your place aren't traumatized by the tattoos,
- does not mean children in Japan aren't.
- so it's stupid to say their bans are stupid.
@char
Oh I see how it is son.
You weeaboos obsess over Japanese culture, but when being shown examples that contradicts how Japanese really think from your highly misconceived, biased, sugarcoated version of it scold the Japanese as if there's no tomorrow.
Ironically, you guys bitch about "moralistic western influence" being "pushed" on Japan all the time...
@大和魂
What do you expect?
Much as we "obsess" over Japanese culture there are still things about it we dislike or don't agree with. Or is it us truthfully stating our opinion on the matter what bothers you mayhap...? Perhaps you think we shouldn't?.
Well, maybe that's the case for those staying in Japan as guests and only to avoid hurting the Japanese's feelings over such a trifle subject, but that's not the case here.
You notice why Japanese Police carry only Rape whistles.
I don't like tattoos; but that's unfair.
Not even the badass temporary tattoos you can get at your nearest dollar general?
Mahou Shoujo Tattoo guy can't go around showing Fate anymore. :(
Reading those 2ch reactions, it becomes obvious why someone like Ishihara can get elected to office.
The Japanese get the politicians they deserve.
This is their culture.Who the hell are we to tell them what to do? just imagine a japanese telling americans to ban fastfood restaurants...
Culture ?? For me its just a pure stupidity .
hey, in some countries they have this religion where u are suppose to go to a building to talk to invisible wizard and sing songs. to me its pure stupidity, but religion is also part of a culture..
The same thing can be said about unsigned comments on an blog. It's just anonymous cowards blowing out their pie holes, but it's culture.
@19:50
They have those kinds of religions yes, but in most countries you will not be targetted for discrimination if you don't do the things they do, nor do the police try and get you to act as they do. That's just common human decency
Also when some people say things like:
"You christians live in a world of fantasy" yet they spent 17 hours playing world of warcraft
hey, in some countries, people go to the church every sunday.
Pure stupidity, but it's still culture.
Same thing can be said about mourning the dead. People are mourning dirt and water, but it's culture.
Terrible fucking analogy which would in the end only hurt Japans economy.
hey, they're the ones who are trying to westernize themselves to be like us. Look at how they dress, they're not that different anymore.
It's not about their culture but about the reason they started banning tattoos.
They're trying to get more visitors while telling a huge part of the visitors that they aren't allowed to enter.
Looks more like a pradoxon to me though.
It's not about culture, it's about being open minded.
If criminals wears tatoo, who cares ? Banning tatoos on beaches won't help arresting them. It's not like the tatoo in itself is a dangerous weapon or anything like that.
Not unless you're a beast.
As an American, I say that would be awesome.
culture i see more as something to share this is just well an unfair law.
Culture is a collection of stuff the public in a particular area does. If anything banning tattoos which their country has been well known for (those large mural like ones) is suppressing their our culture.
Like us reelecting Bush for second term? lol
the old ones looks at the manga ban with the same eyes that 2ch looks this "not show your tatoo on public spaces" ban.
What if you tatoo a couple of lolis fucking each other uncensored and then go to a beach? I'd be nice to see their reaction xD
Then you'd be banned from the beach and forced to put mosaic over the entire tattoo! XD
@rakshasa
"The Japanese get the politicians they deserve."
I agree. And oh what a great job they're doing at classifying pornographic material as being pornographic, and thus keeping it hidden from the eyes of the public, regardless of that "freedom of expression" loophole bullshit being used on the bases that it's drawn.
I won't say what you're talking about makes no sense but, not all pornographic material is being banned, just the one portraying fictitious characters, and age really isn't really the reason, if it really were, then how do authorities explain allowing the portrayal of high school girls in erotic material, like in the picture at this link for example;
http://darkdiamond.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Nipponbashi-_2.jpg
In my opinion, there's nothing worst in this world than double standards
Wow. Just wow. Sucks to be japanese and live in Japan even in 21st century.
not really. they have gorgeous women, no doubt about that.
For once I'm thankful I'm not living in Japan. I don't wanna hide my prized tattoo on my arm!
i know the feeling i like to show off my back peice and im a respectable member of society at that.
We call tattooed, peacocking males "Douchebags" They most likely frequent night clubs with the illusion that they're "Alpha Males" It is also likely for them to have tattoos of Chinese characters they like to show off because of their tremendous insecurity about themselves.
Everyday women over there don't look like idols you know. Normally it's amazing how ugly so many are.
Good thing they don't use tatoos, they'd just look like monsters then.
They have thin women, the amount of gorgeous women is about the same as in other countries.
Western stereotypes aside, they have a lot of fat people too. People seem to ignore that they also have fast food.
Don't forget their dental plan! Japanese think snaggleteeth are cute.
Didn't realize Japan was even in the 21st century as far as some of their draconian and ancient laws go.
Also, Yakuza are ruining everything from sports to just popular culture of just having tattoos and being in public with it. I don't believe in having tattoos and all, but I sympathize with tattoo users.
This is just stupid but not surprising, All countries have these kinds of problems, Japanese are no exception in anyway, a lot of "hate floating around 2ch which proves that! Their primitive and discriminatory state of mind still lingers to many even up to those who have complete access to the Internet. Which brings me back to my first sentence, its stupid but not surprising -_-
Oh yeah. Hypernationalism, I quickly found out is a major problem basically everywhere in the known world. It's like humanity as a whole just needs some growing up to do.
i live in a small town in america, with the nearest "city" being 17 miles away. and i have a tattoo parlor within walking distance of me, and if i go in a 6 mile radius i have 3 more, and if extend that to 20 miles i have another 12.
and what is a fashion tattoo? is that like a tribal armband? or something that looks sexy by your crotch?
most tattoos are personal and have meaning to that person, the smart people don't just get a tattoo that looks "cool" because you will regret those in 20 years, a personal meaning one... never forget, never regret.
Why do I have completely opposite stories across the board of people getting tattoos that mean next to nothing because they were drunk?
I don't mind tattoos, but at the same time, yes, I mind tattoos. But just because someone made a stupid mistake when they were drunk, or respected their great ancestor by tattooing his seal on their arm, it doesn't matter either way. Neither should be banned from a god damn beach, except if perhaps the tattoo is obscene. Obscene is a matter of perception down to curse words and nudity I believe, which can be described as a slippery slope. But nobody needs to see a pair of giant breasts tattood on your arm or something to make a statement. It's just rude... and yes, stupid.
Then again, even worse than that is the fact that erectile dysfunction commercials exist in the middle of the day. That's far more awkward for parents to explain to children than a curse word or a nude tattoo.
"But nobody needs to see a pair of giant breasts tattood on your arm or something to make a statement. It's just rude... and yes, stupid. "
Why is it rude? Because you would be offended by it?
Isn't that the slippery slope you just mentioned? I would not be offended by that tattoo, so what now?
All of what you wrote is good, until I read that part, seems to me you need to rethink and apply that logic more.
Just being constructive here, sorry.
It is true, realistically I don't care if a parent actually has to be a parent and explain life, but a national geographic is a far more natural way to introduce children to cultural differences and how people don't fear their bodies than some exaggerated crappy drawing on some douchebag's flesh. And the Venus de Milo is a good example of tasteful nudity. But at the same time, why would you want a tattoo artist to do a tattoo of the Venus de Milo? It will have nowhere close to the skill of the painting, it will look nothing like it.
Reasons like that are why I think tattoos can generally be idiotic things to get. Getting a tattoo of the Venus is stupid. The person had nothing to do with it, and the tattoo artist obviously won't have the skill to render it in detail enough to make it anything close to the original (I don't care what anyone says, no tattoo artist can match Botticelli).
If you want it for the memories of a trip to see the painting, you get a print of the damn thing. The nudity I was obviously talking about is mudflap level crap that is much more common. But you're right, I don't care if people are offended, but children being introduced to things a certain way is something I happen to know can affect them very strongly at certain ages.
In all, I just find the modern tattoo to be the mark of petulant immaturity generally, regardless of the age. It has no REAL meaning anymore. Ironically gangs in America seem to be the only ones who use it for subtle identification and purpose, and I want them to all die out.
Things like that picture of the woman above trying to turn her body into some kind of art at least has the purpose of shifting someone's perceptions... but I'm an artist... her body is already art.
there are 2 kinds of nudity tattoos.
there are the ones that are tasteful, think the venus de milo
than there are the funny joke obscene ones, think, mini mouse tit fucking micky.
now, nudity is a whole other issue altogether. i dont think children should be exposed to childhood rape nudity (there cartoons, nude, fucking) till they can use the internet, but hiding a penis, or a set of tits? you can see that in a national geographic, so long as they aren't fucking either is ok for a kid to see. people are way to over protective of the wrong things now.
its a sculpture, and it realy depends on the tattoo artist, some are fucking immaculate, and some are lucky to be able to draw a stick figure freehand.
i have seen some fairly tasteful art like that dragon one up top, but with a more greek mythological setting that had nudity in it. granted i see tastefull as being no sex involved, and not physics breakingly over exaggerated.
and as for gangs, yea, their tattoos are generally 1 small to large one representing the gang. and than some random crap, with a few that have meaning. but world wide, and culture wide, tattoos being used to show crime is a vast minority, and its only places dominated by a religion that says your body is sacred and dont defile it for god are the ones where its used mostly in crime.
im not 100% sure, but i know where i live its illegal to tattoo a person who is drunk.
id love to know how many "i got drunk" stories are actually they were clear headed, got that tattoo, and regretted it later on, so they said they were drunk, because that sounded better.
Well, most people have their different opinion about tattoos. Some might like it for many reason, while some might hate it for many reason too. For me, I don't like it. I get bored easily over something. By having a tattoo..It will be something boring that I can easily remove it. Plus, when your skin start to get soggy and all..the tattoo will look. -puke-
i think you mean saggy.
and if you take care of yourself, you male or female, you don't really get into wrinkle hell till you are in your late 60's to early 70's
and at that point, its not really about the showing the tattoo anymore, its about the memories of the time gone by when you see it.
granted i'm thinking of this from a point of view where the tattoo means something, not the kind of tattoo you get because you think it looks cool, or awesome.
aye. I like to call those 'shittoos'...
wait, let me try that again.
Who cares when it looks skin looks soggy? its ugly anyway :D
You're obviously not from America.
dood, where i live tattoos are probably VERY popular, i don't go outside all to much, but in the "city" 18 miles away from here there is a strip in that place where there are 3 tattoo parlors within 100 yard of each other, and an arcade that imports japanese machines. than on the other side of the city, there are 2 more side by side by the old blockbuster.
seriously, the shit is everywhere where i live.
Where do you live, New Jersey?
the northern mid west, thats as detailed as i want to go here.
and when i say "city" i mean less than 50000 people, probably less than 20000. the nearest real city to me is about 50 miles away from here in any direction.